Hello all.
I'm currently working on porting fresh KDE 4 to OpenBSD (there were attempts earlier but without that much success) and currently seeking for the ways to make KDE 3 (which OpenBSD already have in ports, and it's working well) and upcoming KDE 4 co-exist.
Not so long (shame on me!) ago I was notified about the existence of Trinity Desktop. One of the main goals of Trinity, as I've seen, is the co-existence of KDE 3 and KDE 4 too. This way I became interested in porting Trinity to OpenBSD, replacing KDE 3.
So the question is: will you accept patches for OpenBSD? Some "desktop" projects turn Linux-only nowadays, and nobody want to constantly maintain all the patches that obviously will be needed for porting on a different O/S with different kernel and specifics.
From my own side, I can help in porting to Qt4 and, of course, in making Trinity and KDE 4 build and run simultaneously.
Thanks in advance for your reply, and all the best to Trinity. :)
2011/11/11 Vadim Zhukov persgray@gmail.com:
Hello all.
I'm currently working on porting fresh KDE 4 to OpenBSD (there were attempts earlier but without that much success) and currently seeking for the ways to make KDE 3 (which OpenBSD already have in ports, and it's working well) and upcoming KDE 4 co-exist.
Not so long (shame on me!) ago I was notified about the existence of Trinity Desktop. One of the main goals of Trinity, as I've seen, is the co-existence of KDE 3 and KDE 4 too. This way I became interested in porting Trinity to OpenBSD, replacing KDE 3.
So the question is: will you accept patches for OpenBSD? Some "desktop" projects turn Linux-only nowadays, and nobody want to constantly maintain all the patches that obviously will be needed for porting on a different O/S with different kernel and specifics.
From my own side, I can help in porting to Qt4 and, of course, in making Trinity and KDE 4 build and run simultaneously.
Thanks in advance for your reply, and all the best to Trinity. :)
Looks like no feedback means plain "no". Anyway, I've seen that Trinity does not allow easy migration from KDE3, so one of the main points to port it here is gone.
Anyway, I wish all the best to TDE developers. :) Good luck! -- WBR, Vadim Zhukov
2011/11/11 Vadim Zhukov persgray@gmail.com:
Hello all.
I'm currently working on porting fresh KDE 4 to OpenBSD (there were attempts earlier but without that much success) and currently seeking for the ways to make KDE 3 (which OpenBSD already have in ports, and it's working well) and upcoming KDE 4 co-exist.
Not so long (shame on me!) ago I was notified about the existence of Trinity Desktop. One of the main goals of Trinity, as I've seen, is the co-existence of KDE 3 and KDE 4 too. This way I became interested in porting Trinity to OpenBSD, replacing KDE 3.
So the question is: will you accept patches for OpenBSD? Some "desktop" projects turn Linux-only nowadays, and nobody want to constantly maintain all the patches that obviously will be needed for porting on a different O/S with different kernel and specifics.
From my own side, I can help in porting to Qt4 and, of course, in making Trinity and KDE 4 build and run simultaneously.
Thanks in advance for your reply, and all the best to Trinity. :)
Looks like no feedback means plain "no". Anyway, I've seen that Trinity does not allow easy migration from KDE3, so one of the main points to port it here is gone.
Anyway, I wish all the best to TDE developers. :) Good luck!
Actually, I never received your earlier message. We would be glad to accept OpenBSD patches if they are provided!
Tim
Vadim Zhukov wrote :
Anyway, I've seen that Trinity does not allow easy migration from KDE3, so one of the main points to port it here is gone.
What's the difficulties you are expecting with the migration? Just do it!
* You need cmake (http://openports.se/devel/cmake)
* As a beginning, you need to build and install: http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/qt3-3.... http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/tqtint... http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/arts-3... http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/kdelibs-3.5.13.tar.... http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/kdebase-3.5.13.tar....
* You must copy the content of the kde3 home directory to the new trinity home directory if you want to preserve personal settings
Take a look at: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/HowToBuild Adapt to your system the configure options: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/DistroSpecificBuilds Choose other packages from here: http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/ And ask for help on the users mailing list: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/mailinglist.php
(Trinity developpers: please correct me if I'm wrong)
2011/11/13 Laurent Dard f.couperin@online.fr:
Vadim Zhukov wrote :
Anyway, I've seen that Trinity does not allow easy migration from KDE3, so one of the main points to port it here is gone.
What's the difficulties you are expecting with the migration? Just do it!
- You need cmake
(http://openports.se/devel/cmake)
- As a beginning, you need to build and install:
http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/qt3-3.... http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/tqtint... http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/arts-3... http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/kdelibs-3.5.13.tar.... http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/kdebase-3.5.13.tar....
- You must copy the content of the kde3 home directory to the new trinity
home directory if you want to preserve personal settings
Take a look at: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/HowToBuild Adapt to your system the configure options: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/DistroSpecificBuilds Choose other packages from here: http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/ And ask for help on the users mailing list: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/mailinglist.php
(Trinity developpers: please correct me if I'm wrong)
Thanks, Laurent. Problem is not in the packaging itself; I want to have ability to migrate KDE3 users to something better (read: something that's not dead upstream), either TDE or KDE4. If the profiles could be easily migrated from KDE3 to TDE (preferrably with no more changes than ~/.kde => ~/.tde), it's what I'm searching for. I don't care about binary or ever source compatibility with KDE3, while all apps needed are ported to TDE. But I care about existing setups. I need to know, what can/should be done for seamless migrate from (possibly heavily tweaked) KDE3 profile to TDE.
I also want to make KDE4 packages co-exist with KDE3/TDE ones. I already got that it is a work-in-progress. Brief looking at the recent commits gives me impression that it's already moving fast - cool. :)
-- WBR, Vadim Zhukov
2011/11/13 Laurent Dard f.couperin@online.fr:
Vadim Zhukov wrote :
Anyway, I've seen that Trinity does not allow easy migration from KDE3, so one of the main points to port it here is gone.
What's the difficulties you are expecting with the migration? Just do it!
- You need cmake
 (http://openports.se/devel/cmake)
- As a beginning, you need to build and install:
 http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/qt3-3....  http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/tqtint...  http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/arts-3...  http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/kdelibs-3.5.13.tar....  http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/kdebase-3.5.13.tar....
- You must copy the content of the kde3 home directory to the new
trinity  home directory if you want to preserve personal settings
Take a look at: Â http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/HowToBuild Adapt to your system the configure options: Â http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/DistroSpecificBuilds Choose other packages from here: Â http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/ And ask for help on the users mailing list: Â http://www.trinitydesktop.org/mailinglist.php
(Trinity developpers: please correct me if I'm wrong)
Thanks, Laurent. Problem is not in the packaging itself; I want to have ability to migrate KDE3 users to something better (read: something that's not dead upstream), either TDE or KDE4. If the profiles could be easily migrated from KDE3 to TDE (preferrably with no more changes than ~/.kde => ~/.tde), it's what I'm searching for.
<snip>
For most applications, moving ~/.kde to ~/.trinity and replacing all instances of .kde with .trinity in the ~/.trinity folder will suffice. There are a few "gotchas" to be aware of (listed somewhat poorly on the Etherpad), but they do not come up very frequently in practice.
Tim
On 13 November 2011 15:41, Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.netwrote:
2011/11/13 Laurent Dard f.couperin@online.fr:
Vadim Zhukov wrote :
Anyway, I've seen that Trinity does not allow easy migration from KDE3, so one of the main points to port it here is gone.
What's the difficulties you are expecting with the migration? Just do it!
- You need cmake
(http://openports.se/devel/cmake)
- As a beginning, you need to build and install:
http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/qt3-3....
http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/tqtint...
http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/dependencies/arts-3...
http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/kdelibs-3.5.13.tar....
http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/kdebase-3.5.13.tar....
- You must copy the content of the kde3 home directory to the new
trinity home directory if you want to preserve personal settings
Take a look at: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/HowToBuild Adapt to your system the configure options:
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/DistroSpecificBuilds
Choose other packages from here: http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/releases/3.5.13/ And ask for help on the users mailing list: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/mailinglist.php
(Trinity developpers: please correct me if I'm wrong)
Thanks, Laurent. Problem is not in the packaging itself; I want to have ability to migrate KDE3 users to something better (read: something that's not dead upstream), either TDE or KDE4. If the profiles could be easily migrated from KDE3 to TDE (preferrably with no more changes than ~/.kde => ~/.tde), it's what I'm searching for.
<snip>
For most applications, moving ~/.kde to ~/.trinity and replacing all instances of .kde with .trinity in the ~/.trinity folder will suffice. There are a few "gotchas" to be aware of (listed somewhat poorly on the Etherpad), but they do not come up very frequently in practice.
Tim
I see many projects are against supporting other FOSS systems, but I think we need to take all the patches we can. Until there is a reason not to, we should do it. This goes for distros as well. By allowing development on all platforms it also helps expose issues (think about all the FTBFS we get on fedora but not ubuntu :P)
Calvin Morrison
Le Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:48:12 -0500, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com a écrit :
I see many projects are against supporting other FOSS systems, but I think we need to take all the patches we can. Until there is a reason not to, we should do it. This goes for distros as well. By allowing development on all platforms it also helps expose issues (think about all the FTBFS we get on fedora but not ubuntu :P)
Personally I didn't really see such opinions against supporting non-GNU/Linux FOSS systems, except for Lennart Poettering who seems to think every open source project should support only the latest (and supposedly superior to everything else) Fedora/RHEL and let other platforms die in hell.
Calvin Morrison
On Nov 13, 2011 4:15 PM, "/dev/ammo42" mickeytintincolle@yahoo.fr wrote:
Le Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:48:12 -0500, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com a écrit :
I see many projects are against supporting other FOSS systems, but I think we need to take all the patches we can. Until there is a reason not to, we should do it. This goes for distros as well. By allowing development on all platforms it also helps expose issues (think about all the FTBFS we get on fedora but not ubuntu :P)
Personally I didn't really see such opinions against supporting non-GNU/Linux FOSS systems, except for Lennart Poettering who seems to think every open source project should support only the latest (and supposedly superior to everything else) Fedora/RHEL and let other platforms die in hell.
Not to mention our friend cough cough Martin grasslin who posted such an encouraging post earlier this month.
He seems to think all systems aren't worth it.
Sad Really
http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/08/thoughts-about-kde-plasma-on-n...
Calvin Morrison
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Le Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:37:53 -0500, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com a écrit :
On Nov 13, 2011 4:15 PM, "/dev/ammo42" mickeytintincolle@yahoo.fr wrote:
Le Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:48:12 -0500, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com a écrit :
I see many projects are against supporting other FOSS systems, but I think we need to take all the patches we can. Until there is a reason not to, we should do it. This goes for distros as well. By allowing development on all platforms it also helps expose issues (think about all the FTBFS we get on fedora but not ubuntu :P)
Personally I didn't really see such opinions against supporting non-GNU/Linux FOSS systems, except for Lennart Poettering who seems to think every open source project should support only the latest (and supposedly superior to everything else) Fedora/RHEL and let other platforms die in hell.
Not to mention our friend cough cough Martin grasslin who posted such an encouraging post earlier this month.
He seems to think all systems aren't worth it.
Sad Really
http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/08/thoughts-about-kde-plasma-on-n...
He forgot the existence of the NVIDIA driver for FreeBSD, which offers the same functionality as the Linux one… KMS is not a goal but a means of having good graphics drivers (even if I wouldn't personally praise the stability of the Intel drivers from stable Slackware).
Calvin Morrison
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For most applications, moving ~/.kde to ~/.trinity
Doesn't the startkde script try to do this?
and replacing all instances of .kde with .trinity in the ~/.trinity folder will suffice.
Is there an automated method for doing this?
There are a few "gotchas" to be aware of (listed somewhat poorly on the Etherpad), but they do not come up very frequently in practice.
Which etherpad?
Darrell
Hi Vadim,
Vadim Zhukov wrote:
I'm currently working on porting fresh KDE 4 to OpenBSD (there were attempts earlier but without that much success) and currently seeking for the ways to make KDE 3 (which OpenBSD already have in ports, and it's working well) and upcoming KDE 4 co-exist.
From my own side, I can help in porting to Qt4 and, of course, in making Trinity and KDE 4 build and run simultaneously.
There will be a project meeting on IRC also meant for packagers on Tuesday. Maybe you could join as well. If you have any needs as a packager from the Trinity project, this would be a good moment express them. Here is more info: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/15
I understand the Qt4 port is lower priority now. Timothy can explain this the best, but I'm sure help in this area would still be very welcome.
In any case, good luck with both the KDE 4 port and the Trinity port!
Julius
2011/11/13 Julius Schwartzenberg julius.schwartzenberg@gmail.com:
Hi Vadim,
Vadim Zhukov wrote:
I'm currently working on porting fresh KDE 4 to OpenBSD (there were attempts earlier but without that much success) and currently seeking for the ways to make KDE 3 (which OpenBSD already have in ports, and it's working well) and upcoming KDE 4 co-exist.
From my own side, I can help in porting to Qt4 and, of course, in making Trinity and KDE 4 build and run simultaneously.
There will be a project meeting on IRC also meant for packagers on Tuesday. Maybe you could join as well. If you have any needs as a packager from the Trinity project, this would be a good moment express them. Here is more info: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/15
I understand the Qt4 port is lower priority now. Timothy can explain this the best, but I'm sure help in this area would still be very welcome.
In any case, good luck with both the KDE 4 port and the Trinity port!
Thank you, Timothy and Julius! And my apologize to all, I didn't ever thought that mailing list could eat a message as I hadn't any bounce. :(
I'll join meeting, thanks for invintation. -- WBR, Vadim Zhukov
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