Darrell
Re: For example, after configuring Kate with the --use parameter
Exactly where and how (any quotes, etc) did you set the --use parameter for Kate.
Tell me that and I will experiment and see if I have the same problem.
Keith
Re: For example, after configuring Kate with the --use parameter
Exactly where and how (any quotes, etc) did you set the --use parameter for Kate.
Tell me that and I will experiment and see if I have the same problem.
Let's see whether I can describe the scenario correctly. :)
I have a kate shortcut button in my quick launch menu. The parameters:
kate --use %u
I don't like editing *.desktop files in $PREFIX (/usr, /opt/trinity, etc.) because a subsequent package update will overwrite those files and my modifications. Therefore long ago I got into the habit of using $KDEDIRS, which for me is located in my /usr/local partition. In my $KDEDIRS kate.desktop:
Exec=kate --use %U
Okay, now that I pasted that, I see my quick launch button uses a lower case %u and my $KDEDIRS kate.desktop uses an upper case %U. Hmm. Does that make any difference? I don't know --- I'll look into that.
Back to the discussion.
I have my Focus stealing prevention level set to Low (KControl, Desktop, Window Behavior, Advanced tab.)
Open kate any which way. Open a text file.
Then in Konqueror, find another text file and open the file in kate.
Does kate pop forward? Does kate have the focus?
When I temporarily change my Focus stealing prevention level to None, which raises havoc with other desktop usage, then kate will pop forward but will not have the focus.
Just to be sure we are using terms the same, focus means the title bar is highlighted with the user's selected color and not grayed.
Let me know how things behave on your system. I'll be happy to hear you have none of those problems. That would mean something awry with my configuration.
Darrell
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:
Re: For example, after configuring Kate with the --use parameter
Exactly where and how (any quotes, etc) did you set the --use parameter for Kate.
Tell me that and I will experiment and see if I have the same problem.
Let's see whether I can describe the scenario correctly. :)
I have a kate shortcut button in my quick launch menu. The parameters:
kate --use %u
I don't like editing *.desktop files in $PREFIX (/usr, /opt/trinity, etc.) because a subsequent package update will overwrite those files and my modifications. Therefore long ago I got into the habit of using $KDEDIRS, which for me is located in my /usr/local partition. In my $KDEDIRS kate.desktop:
Exec=kate --use %U
Okay, now that I pasted that, I see my quick launch button uses a lower case %u and my $KDEDIRS kate.desktop uses an upper case %U. Hmm. Does that make any difference? I don't know --- I'll look into that.
Back to the discussion.
I have my Focus stealing prevention level set to Low (KControl, Desktop, Window Behavior, Advanced tab.)
Open kate any which way. Open a text file.
Then in Konqueror, find another text file and open the file in kate.
Does kate pop forward? Does kate have the focus?
When I temporarily change my Focus stealing prevention level to None, which raises havoc with other desktop usage, then kate will pop forward but will not have the focus.
Just to be sure we are using terms the same, focus means the title bar is highlighted with the user's selected color and not grayed.
Let me know how things behave on your system. I'll be happy to hear you have none of those problems. That would mean something awry with my configuration.
Darrell
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Could you define: Quick Launch Menu in more detail. I searched google for "Quick Launch Menu" and kde3 and got nothing. I have heard the term but have no idea what it really is. It sounds like some kind of drop down menu with a selection list. How would I get one?
Is it part of the KSmoothDock app?
I my case I just put icons up on the toolbar panel and click on them there.
Keith
Could you define: Quick Launch Menu in more detail. I searched google for "Quick Launch Menu" and kde3 and got nothing. I have heard the term but have no idea what it really is. It sounds like some kind of drop down menu with a selection list. How would I get one?
Is it part of the KSmoothDock app?
I my case I just put icons up on the toolbar panel and click on them there.
Well, I suppose on reflection there is no such thing in TDE. :) I place a few panel buttons on the far left side, adjacent to the T-Menu button. My Task bar is to the right of those buttons. In some systems that area is called a quick launch bar.
So just add buttons to your panel and you'll have the same effect. But you can start kate using krunner using kate --use. The real point of the bug report is that once kate is open, double-clicking on text files from within konqueror does not bring kate forward and kate does not grab the focus.
Darrell
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:
Could you define: Quick Launch Menu in more detail. I searched google for "Quick Launch Menu" and kde3 and got nothing. I have heard the term but have no idea what it really is. It sounds like some kind of drop down menu with a selection list. How would I get one?
Is it part of the KSmoothDock app?
I my case I just put icons up on the toolbar panel and click on them there.
Well, I suppose on reflection there is no such thing in TDE. :) I place a few panel buttons on the far left side, adjacent to the T-Menu button. My Task bar is to the right of those buttons. In some systems that area is called a quick launch bar.
So just add buttons to your panel and you'll have the same effect. But you can start kate using krunner using kate --use. The real point of the bug report is that once kate is open, double-clicking on text files from within konqueror does not bring kate forward and kate does not grab the focus.
Darrell
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OK I will test it tonight after dinner...
I assume buttons = icons. Isn't English a wonderful way to miscommunicate?
I have not used krunner (at least deliberately), I have used kstart, if you haven't you might want to check it out...
I just checked and (at least in my packaging system), krunner is a KDE4 app. I don't have any of that on my system so I can't test it But using a KDE4 app to start a Trinity binary might not give the expected result...
Keith
I assume buttons = icons. Isn't English a wonderful way to miscommunicate?
Yup. I have worked as a technical writer for more than two decades. Saying what you mean is always a challenge. :)
I have not used krunner (at least deliberately), I have used kstart, if you haven't you might want to check it out...
I just checked and (at least in my packaging system), krunner is a KDE4 app. I don't have any of that on my system so I can't test it But using a KDE4 app to start a Trinity binary might not give the expected result...
My fault. I always call the Alt-F2 widget "krunner." I suppose in the pre KDE4 days that is technically incorrect. I think in KDE3/TDE the wonderful name is "Run Command." :)
Darrell
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:
I assume buttons = icons. Isn't English a wonderful way to miscommunicate?
Yup. I have worked as a technical writer for more than two decades. Saying what you mean is always a challenge. :)
I have not used krunner (at least deliberately), I have used kstart, if you haven't you might want to check it out...
I just checked and (at least in my packaging system), krunner is a KDE4 app. I don't have any of that on my system so I can't test it But using a KDE4 app to start a Trinity binary might not give the expected result...
My fault. I always call the Alt-F2 widget "krunner." I suppose in the pre KDE4 days that is technically incorrect. I think in KDE3/TDE the wonderful name is "Run Command." :)
Darrell
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When I set the icon in the panel to --use nothing happened in Konqueror. I got the same response as I did before, i.e. it opened a new window.
I checked:
/home/keith/.kde3/share/apps/kicker/kate.desktop
and
/home/keith/.local/share/applications/kde-kate.desktop
kate.desktop had the --use option added but apparently Konqueror was not using that to open Kate.
I checked kde-kate.desktop file and --use had not been added to it. Since I had no clue what program would set --use in it, I set it by hand.
After I did that, when I started a text file in Konqueror it reacted as you described in your bug report.
I did a lot of testing of different CLI options in the kde-kate.desktop file and most but not quite all would not work when --use was used.
I tried Kstart in the kde-kate.desktop file and tested it with various Kstart and Kate options and got the same results as above, most of the options were ignored.
I tried starting Kate from a terminal, with various options, and had similar responses as the above--many options quit working when -use was used.
Keith
After I did that, when I started a text file in Konqueror it reacted as you described in your bug report.
I did a lot of testing of different CLI options in the kde-kate.desktop file and most but not quite all would not work when --use was used.
I tried Kstart in the kde-kate.desktop file and tested it with various Kstart and Kate options and got the same results as above, most of the options were ignored.
I tried starting Kate from a terminal, with various options, and had similar responses as the above--many options quit working when -use was used.
Well now. How about that?
Would you add some comments in the bug report that you confirmed the behavior? Mention your operating system too so we know this is not distro related.
By the way, in the Advanced, Special Window Settings, there is a tab named Workarounds. I have had no luck trying to use those options to fine tune kate's behavior.
Darrell
Will do...
I have nothing in my control pannel called "Special Windows Settings"
I do have Desktop >> Window Behavior >> Advanced.
Is that what you are talking about?
If so I keep everything there hid, unchecked or disabled. I don't like animated inanimate objects, things that jump around when my mouse passes over them or hyper active desktop borders.
I do have Focus stealing set on low though...
Keith
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:
After I did that, when I started a text file in Konqueror it reacted as you described in your bug report.
I did a lot of testing of different CLI options in the kde-kate.desktop file and most but not quite all would not work when --use was used.
I tried Kstart in the kde-kate.desktop file and tested it with various Kstart and Kate options and got the same results as above, most of the options were ignored.
I tried starting Kate from a terminal, with various options, and had similar responses as the above--many options quit working when -use was used.
Well now. How about that?
Would you add some comments in the bug report that you confirmed the behavior? Mention your operating system too so we know this is not distro related.
By the way, in the Advanced, Special Window Settings, there is a tab named Workarounds. I have had no luck trying to use those options to fine tune kate's behavior.
Darrell
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I have nothing in my control pannel called "Special Windows Settings"
I do have Desktop >> Window Behavior >> Advanced.
Is that what you are talking about?
Pretty much. Right-click on kate's title bar, select Advance, Special Window Settings. Same as KControl, just limited to kate.
Darrell
Le mercredi 18 janvier 2012, Darrell Anderson a écrit :
I have nothing in my control pannel called "Special Windows Settings"
I do have Desktop >> Window Behavior >> Advanced.
Is that what you are talking about?
Pretty much. Right-click on kate's title bar, select Advance, Special
Window Settings. Same as KControl, just limited to kate.
Darrell
--------------------------------------------------------------------- +1 ;-) Lovely. I did not know this tip. I'll probably never use but I like a lot! Patrick
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Patrick Serru patrick@serru.net wrote:
Le mercredi 18 janvier 2012, Darrell Anderson a écrit :
I have nothing in my control pannel called "Special Windows Settings"
I do have Desktop >> Window Behavior >> Advanced.
Is that what you are talking about?
Pretty much. Right-click on kate's title bar, select Advance, Special
Window Settings. Same as KControl, just limited to kate.
Darrell
+1 ;-) Lovely. I did not know this tip. I'll probably never use but I like a lot! Patrick
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If you try the Fullscreen choice it is very hard to get a regular sized window with frames back in Opera and some other programs. Kate has a menu choice to do that but Opera's did not work.
Keith
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