12 Jan
2021
12 Jan
'21
1:03 p.m.
Hi,
Following the instructions at
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Raspbian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_In…
I installed tdebase-trinity (rather than tde-trinity), mainly because of disk
space concerns.
I then installed korganizer-trinity, which is the package of most
immediate interest to me.
However, when I try to configure the date and time (Settings/Configure
Date & Time ...) I am told
WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found !
Defaulting to Settings/
This leaves me completely unaware of what package(s) I should install
to make it happy.
Q1: Can anyone tell me which packages I would want to install to be
able to run this setting?
Q2: Can anyone tell me how I could have figured this out myself, short
of reading all the code? (I did look at some code, but decided
that it was taking me down some very long chain of function calls
with no end in sight, and I had to move on to some other work
right now.)
Thanks very much.
Jim
12 Jan
12 Jan
1:27 p.m.
Hi,
Wouldn't this question be more appropriate for the user list?
Jim via tde-devels wrote:
Following the instructions at
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Raspbian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_In…
I installed tdebase-trinity (rather than tde-trinity),
mainly because of
disk space concerns.
I then installed korganizer-trinity, which is the package of most
immediate interest to me.
However, when I try to configure the date and time (Settings/Configure
Date & Time ...) I am told
WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found !
Defaulting to Settings/
tdebase-trinity usually pulls the whole set of packages needed to run TDE.
AFAIK you must provide root or sudo password to configure date and time of
the PC - you most probably mean the Kalendar date and time display
settings.
what source did you use - what is mentioned in the article?
This leaves me completely unaware of what package(s) I
should install
to make it happy.
tdebase-trinity usually installs what is needed - in this case did you
install also locale packages as noted in the article?
Q1: Can anyone tell me which packages I would want to
install to be
able to run this setting?
Q2: Can anyone tell me how I could have figured this out myself, short
of reading all the code? (I did look at some code, but decided
that it was taking me down some very long chain of function calls
with no end in sight, and I had to move on to some other work
right now.)
Thanks very much.
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2:45 p.m.
Hi,
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 22:27 (+0100), deloptes via tde-devels wrote:
Hi,
Wouldn't this question be more appropriate for the user list?
I thought about that, and decided that this list seemed more appropriate.
While there might be a "user" who knows the answer, it seems to me
that being able to answer these questions requires knowledge about how
TDE works at some internal level, rather than "how do I make it work".
A "user" who is also a TDE "guru" or "wizard" would probably
know,
but, then again, they might then be on this list (as I am) for general
interest.
Cheers.
Jim
Jim via tde-devels wrote:
> Following the instructions at
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Raspbian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_In…
> I installed tdebase-trinity (rather than tde-trinity), mainly because of
> disk space concerns.
> I then installed korganizer-trinity, which is the
package of most
> immediate interest to me.
> However, when I try to configure the date and time
(Settings/Configure
> Date & Time ...) I am told
> WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found !
> Defaulting to Settings/
tdebase-trinity usually pulls the whole set of
packages needed to run TDE.
AFAIK you must provide root or sudo password to configure date and time of
the PC - you most probably mean the Kalendar date and time display
settings.
what source did you use - what is mentioned in the
article?
> This leaves me completely unaware of what
package(s) I should install
> to make it happy.
tdebase-trinity usually installs what is needed - in
this case did you
install also locale packages as noted in the article?
> Q1: Can anyone tell me which packages I would want
to install to be
> able to run this setting?
> Q2: Can anyone tell me how I could have figured
this out myself, short
> of reading all the code? Â (I did look at some code, but decided
> that it was taking me down some very long chain of function calls
> with no end in sight, and I had to move on to some other work
> right now.)
> Thanks very much.
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13 Jan
13 Jan
7:49 a.m.
Hi,
I saw the top-posting and missed the rest of your questions. Mea culpa.
Answers below.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 22:27 (+0100), deloptes via tde-devels wrote:
Jim via tde-devels wrote:
> Following the instructions at
>
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Raspbian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_In…
> I installed tdebase-trinity (rather than tde-trinity), mainly because of
> disk space concerns.
> I then installed korganizer-trinity, which is the
package of most
> immediate interest to me.
> However, when I try to configure the date and time
(Settings/Configure
> Date & Time ...) I am told
> WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found !
> Defaulting to Settings/
tdebase-trinity usually pulls the whole set of
packages needed to run TDE.
Well, maybe it should, but I guess it depends on what one exactly
means "to run TDE".
AFAIK you must provide root or sudo password to
configure date and time of
the PC - you most probably mean the Kalendar date and time display
settings.
Sorry it wasn't clear above... when I try to configure korganizer's date
and time (i.e., the way it presents the date and time, I am not trying
to change the system time), using the korganizer menu item
"Settings/Configure Date & Time ..." I get that message.
what source did you use - what is mentioned in the
article?
Yes, I used exactly the lines in the article, except I put "buster" in
for "<your-distribution>". I commented out the deb-src lines, since I
was not planning to d/l any source at this point.
> This leaves me completely unaware of what
package(s) I should install
> to make it happy.
tdebase-trinity usually installs what is needed - in
this case did you
install also locale packages as noted in the article?
I did not. My native language is English, and I am OK with the
default locale. (If there was a Canadian English locale I might have
installed it, but I don't see any locale in the listing whose name
suggests that to me.)
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help:
When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have
"Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet &
Network", and so on)
is empty. So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are
1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet) installed.
I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly installing
things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most appreciated.
> Q1: Can anyone tell me which packages I would want
to install to be
> able to run this setting?
> Q2: Can anyone tell me how I could have figured
this out myself, short
> of reading all the code? Â (I did look at some code, but decided
> that it was taking me down some very long chain of function calls
> with no end in sight, and I had to move on to some other work
> right now.)
> Thanks very much.
Jim
8:36 a.m.
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help:
When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have
"Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet &
Network", and so on)
is empty. So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are
1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet)
installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly
installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most
appreciated.
Are you running a full TDE session or just a single application?
Cheers
--
Slávek
9:42 a.m.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels wrote:
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via
tde-devels wrote:
> ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help:
> When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
> sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have
> "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet &
Network", and so on)
> is empty. Â So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
> According to the output of an incantation I found
on line, there are
> 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet)
> installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly
> installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most
> appreciated.
Are you running a full TDE session or just a single
application?
Just a single application korganizer (of course, running korganizer
starts some of its friends, such as artsd and korgac and dcopserver
and knotify and kded and tdeinit and tdelauncher and tdeio_file).
At this point, korganizer seems to be working fine, with the exception
that I can't configure a few things related to date and time.
Cheers.
Jim
10 a.m.
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 18:42:12 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
Ok, I thought so, that explains it. There is a problem that when used
without a full session, windows like kcontrol do not work properly.
Unfortunately, the cause of this problem has not yet been traced.
Can you try it in a full TDE session?
Cheers
--
Slávek
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek Banko
via tde-devels
wrote:
On Wednesday
13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
Just a single application korganizer (of course, running korganizer
starts some of its friends, such as artsd and korgac and dcopserver
and knotify and kded and tdeinit and tdelauncher and tdeio_file).
At this point, korganizer seems to be working fine, with the exception
that I can't configure a few things related to date and time.
Cheers.
Jim
____________________________________________________ ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not
help:
When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have
"Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet &
Network", and so on)
is empty. Â So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are
1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet)
installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly
installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be
most appreciated.
Are you running a full TDE session or just a single application?
14 Jan
14 Jan
7:39 a.m.
Answers to the most recent emails of both deloptes and Slávek, in that order:
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 18:56 (+0100), deloptes via tde-devels wrote:
please answer Slaveks question how you exactly run
TDE.
usually I log in via the TDM (login manager) it then
takes care to set all
the pieces needed to run TDE properly.
If you did so - what is the status of your user profile - any old stuff or
whatever - perhaps try with a fresh user
I reconfigured my system to use TDM. If I used that *and* chose the
TDE session, kcontrol now has a populated left pane.
Running TDM and choosing another session type (e.g., lxde) did not do
the trick.
So I speculate my original question is answered, in that apparently I
don't need additional packages.
Instead, I pose a new question: why does kcontrol work on my other
system (described in my next comment below) and not on raspian?
>> tdebase-trinity usually pulls the whole set of
packages needed to run
>> TDE.
> Well, maybe it should, but I guess it depends on
what one exactly
> means "to run TDE".
exactly this is what we are trying to find out -
because TDE is the
desktop it covers all the pieces. However you are talking about
korganiser (the calendar piece as part of the tdepim)
Yes, I am mainly interested in korganizer. On my current system
(Slackware64 14-2, running xdm and fvwm2, using the Slackbuilds on
github to compile R14.0.5), kcontrol has a properly-populated left pane,
even though I am not using tdm and I am not logging in to a TDE session.
> Sorry it wasn't clear above... when I try to
configure korganizer's date
> and time (i.e., the way it presents the date and time, I am not trying
> to change the system time), using the korganizer menu item
> "Settings/Configure Date & Time ..." I get that message.
This actually invokes the part for the locale settings
(I think it
is part of the tdebase and you have already installed it)
For completeness: As mentioned previously, I am OK with just the
default locale.
> ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help:
> When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
> sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have
> "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet &
Network", and so on)
> is empty. So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
> According to the output of an incantation I found
on line, there are
> 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet) installed.
> I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly installing
> things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most appreciated.
dpkg -l | grep trinity
ii kamera-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
digital camera io_slave for Konqueror
ii kappfinder-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
non-TDE application finder for TDE
ii kate-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
advanced text editor for TDE
ii kcontrol-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
control center for TDE
ii kcron-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
the Trinity crontab editor
ii kdat-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
a Trinity tape backup tool
ii kdeadmin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all
Transitional dummy package. This can be safely removed after your TDE upgrade has
completed.
ii kdesktop-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
miscellaneous binaries and files for the Trinity desktop
ii kfind-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
file-find utility for TDE
ii kghostview-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
PostScript viewer for Trinity
ii khelpcenter-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
help center for TDE
ii kicker-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
desktop panel for TDE
ii klipper-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
clipboard utility for Trinity
ii kmenuedit-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
menu editor for TDE
ii knetworkconf-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Trinity network configuration tool
ii konqueror-nsplugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Netscape plugin support for Konqueror
ii konqueror-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
TDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer
ii konsole-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
X terminal emulator for TDE
ii korganizer-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Trinity personal organizer
ii kpackage-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Trinity package management tool
ii kpager-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
desktop pager for TDE
ii kpersonalizer-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
installation personalizer for TDE
ii kregexpeditor-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
graphical regular expression editor plugin for Trinity
ii ksmserver-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
session manager for TDE
ii ksnapshot-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
screenshot utility for Trinity
ii ksplash-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
the TDE splash screen
ii ksysguard-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
system guard for TDE
ii ksysguardd-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
system guard daemon for TDE
ii ksysv-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Trinity SysV-style init configuration editor
ii ktip-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
useful tips for TDE
ii kuser-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Trinity user/group administration tool
ii libarts1c2a-trinity:armhf 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
aRts sound system core components
ii libartsc0-trinity:armhf 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
aRts sound system C support library
ii libkcddb1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
CDDB library for Trinity
ii libkleopatra1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
TDE GnuPG interface libraries
ii libkmime2-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Trinity MIME interface library
ii libkonq4-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
core libraries for Konqueror
ii libkpimexchange1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Trinity PIM Exchange library
ii libkpimidentities1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Trinity PIM user identity information library
ii libktnef1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Library for handling KTNEF email attachments
ii libtdepim1a-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Trinity PIM library
ii libtqt3-integration-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Integration library between TQt3 and TDE
ii tde-systemsettings-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
easy to use control centre for TDE
ii tdeadmin-tdefile-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
Trinity file metainfo plugins for deb and rpm files
ii tdeadmin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all
system administration tools from the official Trinity release
ii tdebase-data-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all
shared data files for the TDE base module
ii tdebase-runtime-data-common-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all
Shared common files for Trinity and KDE4
ii tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
core I/O slaves for TDE
ii tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
SMB I/O slave for TDE
ii tdebase-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all
base components from the official TDE release
ii tdebase-trinity-bin 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
core binaries for the TDE base module
ii tdelibs-data-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all
core shared data for all TDE applications
ii tdelibs14-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
core libraries and binaries for all TDE applications
ii tdemultimedia-tdeio-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
enables the browsing of audio CDs under Konqueror
ii tdepasswd-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
password changer for TDE
ii tdeprint-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
print system for TDE
ii tdm-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
X display manager for TDE
ii trinity-keyring 4:14.0.10~pre0-0debian7.0.0+1 all
GnuPG keys of the Trinity Desktop Environment repository
ii twin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf
the TDE window manager
dpkg -l | grep trinity | wc -l
59
what packages and how many do you have?
As above.
are they fully installed (line starts with ii)
So dpkg claims.
if packages are not fully installed or missing - this
could explain the
issue.
I installed yesterday the RPi4 by installing
tdebase-trinity & co -
about 50 or 100 packages. Then I installed tdepim and some other
that pulled many dependencies - about 700+
I did not install tdepim because I just wanted korganizer.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 19:00 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels wrote:
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 18:42:12 Jim via
tde-devels wrote:
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek
Banko via tde-devels
wrote:
>> On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
>>> ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help:
>>> When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
>>> sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have
>>> "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet
& Network", and so on)
>>> is empty. Â So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for. >>> According to the output of an incantation
I found on line, there are
>>> 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet)
>>> installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly
>>> installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be
>>> most appreciated.
>> Are you running a full TDE session or just a
single application?
> Just a single application korganizer (of course,
running korganizer
> starts some of its friends, such as artsd and korgac and dcopserver
> and knotify and kded and tdeinit and tdelauncher and tdeio_file).
> At this point, korganizer seems to be working
fine, with the exception
> that I can't configure a few things related to date and time.
>
____________________________________________________
Ok, I thought so, that explains it. There is a problem
that when
used without a full session, windows like kcontrol do not work
properly. Unfortunately, the cause of this problem has not yet been
traced.
OK, thanks for that information.
Can you try it in a full TDE session?
Yes, as described above, if by "full session" we mean do both
-> use tdm display manager
and
-> start TDE session
then it works.
Given my "essentially nil" understanding of the code base, I don't
know if I can be much help tracking this down, but if you want me to
give something a try, just let me know.
Cheers.
Jim
1:17 p.m.
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:39:42 -0400
Jim via tde-devels <devels(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 19:00 (+0100), Slávek Banko
via tde-devels wrote:
If I try to bring up kcontrol when su'd to root inside a konsole window, I get a
blank left panel in kcontrol and the following:
ryu ~ # kcontrol
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 15:52:02.413] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.
[2021/01/14 15:52:02.451] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
The left panel is populated if I open kcontrol from the command line as the
logged-in user, and the buildsycoca, DCOP, and warning messages are not printed.
So the problem is either something DCOPish, or something to do with that
warning message. Probably.
Jim, can you test to see if you get the same messages, so we can make sure
I'm not conflating two different problems?
E. Liddell
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 18:42:12 Jim via
tde-devels wrote:
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek
Banko via tde-devels
wrote:
>> On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
>>> ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help:
>>> When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
>>> sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have
>>> "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet
& Network", and so on)
>>> is empty. Â So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for. >>> According to the output of an
incantation I found on line, there are
>>> 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet)
>>> installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly
>>> installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be
>>> most appreciated.
>> Are you running a full TDE session or
just a single application?
> Just a single application korganizer (of
course, running korganizer
> starts some of its friends, such as artsd and korgac and dcopserver
> and knotify and kded and tdeinit and tdelauncher and tdeio_file).
> At this point, korganizer seems to be working
fine, with the exception
> that I can't configure a few things related to date and time.
>
____________________________________________________
Ok, I thought so, that explains it. There is a
problem that when
used without a full session, windows like kcontrol do not work
properly. Unfortunately, the cause of this problem has not yet been
traced.
OK, thanks for that information.
Can you try it in a full TDE session?
Yes, as described above, if by "full session" we mean do both
-> use tdm display manager
and
-> start TDE session
then it works.
Given my "essentially nil" understanding of the code base, I don't
know if I can be much help tracking this down, but if you want me to
give something a try, just let me know.
3:34 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 16:17 (-0500), E. Liddell wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:39:42 -0400
Jim via tde-devels <devels(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 19:00 (+0100), Slávek
Banko via tde-devels wrote:
>> On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 18:42:12 Jim
via tde-devels wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels
>> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
>>>>> ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help:
>>>>> When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
>>>>> sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I
have
>>>>> "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop",
"Internet & Network", and so on)
>>>>> is empty. Â So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
<snip>
>> Can you try it in a full TDE session?
> Yes, as described above, if by "full
session" we mean do both
> -> use tdm display manager
> and
> -> start TDE session
> then it works.
> Given my "essentially nil" understanding
of the code base, I don't
> know if I can be much help tracking this down, but if you want me to
> give something a try, just let me know.
If I try to bring up kcontrol when su'd to root
inside a konsole
window, I get a blank left panel in kcontrol and the following:
ryu ~ # kcontrol
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 15:52:02.413] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.
[2021/01/14 15:52:02.451] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
The left panel is populated if I open kcontrol from
the command line as the
logged-in user, and the buildsycoca, DCOP, and warning messages are not printed.
So the problem is either something DCOPish, or
something to do with that
warning message. Probably.
Jim, can you test to see if you get the same messages,
so we can make sure
I'm not conflating two different problems?
Given that it works when I run from a "full TDE session", I am running
these commands from my trusty fvwm2 session, as started by xdm.
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 17:31:29.641] [tdebuildsycoca] Reusing existing tdesycoca.
[2021/01/14 17:31:29.860] [tdebuildsycoca] ERROR: tde-applications.menu not found in
(/home/zsd/.rpi4-4-files/config/menus/,/etc/xdg/menus/)
[2021/01/14 17:31:29.956] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.
[2021/01/14 17:31:30.306] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
I quit kcontrol and then a minute (or so) later ran it again. This time
I got
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 17:33:22.228] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
Twenty minutes later I ran it once more:
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 17:53:32.414] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.
[2021/01/14 17:53:33.073] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
How exactly did you su to root? If I just "su", /opt/trinity/bin is
in my PATH, whereas if I "sudo su" it is not. For the root output
below, I just did "su". And to start with a clean config, I did the
rm shown below
root@rpi4-4:/scratch/tmp# rm -rf ~/.cache ~/.ICEauthority ~/.config /tmp/tde*root
/tmp/.ICE-unix/
root@rpi4-4:/scratch/tmp# kcontrol
/usr/bin/iceauth: creating new authority file /root/.ICEauthority
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 19:31:17.736] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
And no info in the left pane.
As an added bonus, here are the (apparently) relevant processes:
root 10818 1.0 0.6 49132 26780 pts/1 S 19:31 0:00 kcontrol
root 10823 0.0 0.2 36836 10824 ? Ss 19:31 0:00 [tdeinit] tdeinit
Running...
root 10828 0.0 0.2 36600 8832 ? S 19:31 0:00 dcopserver [tdeinit]
--nosid --suicide
root 10831 0.0 0.3 37900 14684 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdelauncher [tdeinit]
--new-startup
root 10833 0.0 0.4 38308 16076 ? S 19:31 0:00 kded [tdeinit]
--new-startup
root 10908 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file
/tmp/tdesocket-root/
root 10909 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file
/tmp/tdesocket-root/
root 10910 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file
/tmp/tdesocket-root/
root 10911 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file
/tmp/tdesocket-root/
If that information is not what you are looking for, let me know.
Jim
4:33 p.m.
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 19:34:03 -0400
Jim via tde-devels <devels(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 16:17 (-0500), E. Liddell
wrote:
[...]
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:39:42 -0400
Jim via tde-devels <devels(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 19:00 (+0100), Slávek
Banko via tde-devels wrote:
>> On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 18:42:12
Jim via tde-devels wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels
>> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
>>>>> ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help:
>>>>> When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
>>>>> sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I
have
>>>>> "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop",
"Internet & Network", and so on)
>>>>> is empty. Â So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
<snip>
>> Can you try it in a full TDE session?
> Yes, as described above, if by "full
session" we mean do both
> -> use tdm display manager
> and
> -> start TDE session
> then it works.
> Given my "essentially nil"
understanding of the code base, I don't
> know if I can be much help tracking this down, but if you want me to
> give something a try, just let me know.
If I try to bring up kcontrol when su'd to
root inside a konsole
window, I get a blank left panel in kcontrol and the following:
ryu ~ # kcontrol
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 15:52:02.413] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.
[2021/01/14 15:52:02.451] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
The left panel is populated if I open kcontrol
from the command line as the
logged-in user, and the buildsycoca, DCOP, and warning messages are not printed.
So the problem is either something DCOPish, or
something to do with that
warning message. Probably.
Jim, can you test to see if you get the same
messages, so we can make sure
I'm not conflating two different problems?
Given that it works when I run from a "full TDE session", I am running
these commands from my trusty fvwm2 session, as started by xdm. How exactly did you su to root? If I just
"su", /opt/trinity/bin is
in my PATH, whereas if I "sudo su" it is not. For the root output
below, I just did "su". And to start with a clean config, I did the
rm shown below
Normal procedure for me would be "su -". The - clears the environment,
if I recall correctly. I was just using root because that's the only other
full user I have set up on this machine, though.
root@rpi4-4:/scratch/tmp# kcontrol
/usr/bin/iceauth: creating new authority file /root/.ICEauthority
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 19:31:17.736] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
And no info in the left pane.
Okay. So the warning message always shows up. I was able
to trace the warning into the source (for 14.0.8, because I already
had that on my machine and unpacked).
(Boring code stuff follows.)
The warning itself comes from KCGlobal::baseGroup() in
tdebase-trinity-14.0.8/kcontrol/kcontrol/global.cpp . The section it's
in has the following comment attached:
// Compatibility with old behaviour, in case of missing .directory files.
I have a feeling that that section of code should be choosing different
fallbacks. Execution is being gated into there if
KServiceGroup::baseGroup( _infocenter ? "info" : "settings" )
doesn't find a valid pointer (I think—my C++ isn't the greatest),
but trying to figure out how the relevant variables are initialized led
me down a rabbit hole in tdelibs that was beyond my ability to decode.
Conclusion: to fix this, either something has to be initialized before that
KServiceGroup::baseGroup call, or one of the fallbacks if it's uninitialized
needs to be handled in a way that makes sense for the case where the
user starting kcontrol is not the one running the main TDE session (if
there is a main TDE session).
Secondary conclusion: I can describe the problem, but not fix it. Sorry.
Slávek? What do you think?
E. Liddell
8:21 p.m.
On 2021-01-14 17:34:03 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 16:17 (-0500), E. Liddell
wrote:
If I try to bring up kcontrol when su'd to root inside a konsole
window, I get a blank left panel in kcontrol and the following:
ryu ~ # kcontrol
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 15:52:02.413] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.
[2021/01/14 15:52:02.451] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
The left panel is populated if I open kcontrol from the command line as
the logged-in user, and the buildsycoca, DCOP, and warning messages are
not printed.
So the problem is either something DCOPish, or something to do with that
warning message. Probably.
Jim, can you test to see if you get the same messages, so we can make
sure I'm not conflating two different problems?
Given that it works when I run from a "full TDE session", I am running
these commands from my trusty fvwm2 session, as started by xdm.
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 17:31:29.641] [tdebuildsycoca] Reusing existing tdesycoca.
[2021/01/14 17:31:29.860] [tdebuildsycoca] ERROR: tde-applications.menu not
found in (/home/zsd/.rpi4-4-files/config/menus/,/etc/xdg/menus/)
[2021/01/14 17:31:29.956] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.
[2021/01/14 17:31:30.306] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
I quit kcontrol and then a minute (or so) later ran it again. This time
I got
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 17:33:22.228] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
Twenty minutes later I ran it once more:
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 17:53:32.414] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.
[2021/01/14 17:53:33.073] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
How exactly did you su to root? If I just "su", /opt/trinity/bin is
in my PATH, whereas if I "sudo su" it is not.
You probably want to use su -, not just su. From info su:
| -, -l, --login
| Start the shell as a login shell with an environment similar to
a real login:
| o clears all the environment variables except TERM and
variables specified by --whitelist-environment
| o initializes the environment variables HOME, SHELL,
USER, LOGNAME, and PATH
| o changes to the target user's home directory
| o sets argv[0] of the shell to '-' in order to make the
shell a login shell
Without the login option, you're still pointing to your own home directory and
various environment variables, but running with root privileges.
Leslie
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:39:42 -0400
Jim via tde-devels <devels(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 19:00 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels wrote:
>> On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 18:42:12 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels
>>
>> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
>>>>> ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help:
>>>>> When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
>>>>> sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I
>>>>> have "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop",
"Internet & Network", and so
>>>>> on) is empty. Â So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking
for.
<snip>
Can you try it in a full TDE session?
Yes, as described above, if by "full session" we mean do both
-> use tdm display manager
and
-> start TDE session
then it works.
Given my "essentially nil" understanding of the code base, I don't
know if I can be much help tracking this down, but if you want me to
give something a try, just let me know. For the root output
below, I just did "su". And to start with a clean config, I did the
rm shown below
root@rpi4-4:/scratch/tmp# rm -rf ~/.cache ~/.ICEauthority ~/.config
/tmp/tde*root /tmp/.ICE-unix/ root@rpi4-4:/scratch/tmp# kcontrol
/usr/bin/iceauth: creating new authority file /root/.ICEauthority
[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running...
[2021/01/14 19:31:17.736] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with
X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
And no info in the left pane.
As an added bonus, here are the (apparently) relevant processes:
root 10818 1.0 0.6 49132 26780 pts/1 S 19:31 0:00 kcontrol
root 10823 0.0 0.2 36836 10824 ? Ss 19:31 0:00 [tdeinit]
tdeinit Running... root 10828 0.0 0.2 36600 8832 ? S
19:31 0:00 dcopserver [tdeinit] --nosid --suicide root 10831 0.0
0.3 37900 14684 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdelauncher [tdeinit]
--new-startup root 10833 0.0 0.4 38308 16076 ? S 19:31
0:00 kded [tdeinit] --new-startup root 10908 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ?
S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ root
10909 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file
[tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ root 10910 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ?
S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/
root 10911 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file
[tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/
If that information is not what you are looking for, let me know.
Jim
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Leslie
--
13 Jan
13 Jan
9:56 a.m.
Jim via tde-devels wrote:
>> tdebase-trinity usually pulls the whole set of packages needed to run
>> TDE.
> Well, maybe it should, but I guess it
depends on what one exactly
> means "to run TDE".
exactly this is what we are trying to find out - because TDE is the desktop
it covers all the pieces. However you are talking about korganiser (the
calendar piece as part of the tdepim)
> Sorry it wasn't clear above... when I try to configure korganizer's date
> and time (i.e., the way it presents the date and time, I am not trying
> to change the system time), using the korganizer menu item
> "Settings/Configure Date & Time ..." I get that message.
This actually invokes the part for the locale settings (I think it is part
of the tdebase and you have already installed it)
>> what source did you use - what is mentioned in the article?
> Yes, I used exactly the lines in the
article, except I put "buster" in
> for "<your-distribution>". I commented out the deb-src lines, since
I
> was not planning to d/l any source at this point.
>> tdebase-trinity usually installs what
is needed - in this case did you
>> install also locale packages as noted in the article?
> I did not. My native language is English,
and I am OK with the
> default locale. (If there was a Canadian English locale I might have
> installed it, but I don't see any locale in the listing whose name
> suggests that to me.)
this is good so - it was just a fact check question
> ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may
not help:
> When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all
> sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have
> "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet &
Network", and so on)
> is empty. So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
> According to the output of an incantation
I found on line, there are
> 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet) installed.
> I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly installing
> things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most appreciated.
dpkg -l | grep trinity
dpkg -l | grep trinity | wc -l
what packages and how many do you have?
are they fully installed (line starts with ii)
if packages are not fully installed or missing - this could explain the
issue.
I installed yesterday the RPi4 by installing tdebase-trinity & co - about 50
or 100 packages. Then I installed tdepim and some other that pulled many
dependencies - about 700+
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Hi,
I saw the top-posting and missed the rest of your questions. Mea culpa.
Thank you
please answer Slaveks question how you exactly run TDE.
usually I log in via the TDM (login manager) it then takes care to set all
the pieces needed to run TDE properly.
If you did so - what is the status of your user profile - any old stuff or
whatever - perhaps try with a fresh user
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