Hi All,
If I lauch GE from a Konsol, it gives: /opt/google/earth/free/google-earth: ./googleearth-bin: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3: bad ELF interpreter: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
During some previous installation tryes, I sow that the problem was coming from a library requested by a component of Trinity. Can someone tell me, please, how to do to be able to run Google Earth, while using TDE as windows manager?
Thank you Patrick
Le 07/01/2013 15:12, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Hi All, If I lauch GE from a Konsol, it gives:/opt/google/earth/free/google-earth: ./googleearth-bin: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3: bad ELF interpreter: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
During some previous installation tryes, I sow that the problem wascoming from a library requested by a component of Trinity. Can someone tell me, please, how to do to be able to run Google Earth, while using TDE as windows manager?
Thank youPatrick
Hello, it looks like you are installing a 32 bits application on a 64 bits machine. I guess the 32 bits library /lib/ld-lsb.so.3 is missing on your system.
To find which package to install, just type: yum provides /lib/ld-lsb.so.3
Then install the package (I guess the name: yum install redhat-lsb.i686
Francois
Le lundi 07 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 07/01/2013 15:12, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Hi All, If I lauch GE from a Konsol, it gives:/opt/google/earth/free/google-earth: ./googleearth-bin: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3: bad ELF interpreter: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
During some previous installation tryes, I sow that the problemwas coming from a library requested by a component of Trinity. Can someone tell me, please, how to do to be able to run Google Earth, while using TDE as windows manager?
Thank youPatrick
Hello, it looks like you are installing a 32 bits application on a 64 bits machine. I guess the 32 bits library /lib/ld-lsb.so.3 is missing on your system.
To find which package to install, just type: yum provides /lib/ld-lsb.so.3
Then install the package (I guess the name: yum install redhat-lsb.i686
Francois
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you François,
The resulting text of the command is attached. The tail of it being: protection contre les différentes versions de bibliothèques : qt3-3.3.8b-41.fc17.i686 != 1:qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.x86_64
The previous tryed command was "install redhat-lsb-4.1-5.fc17.i686"...
Cheers Patrick
Le 08/01/2013 06:29, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le lundi 07 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 07/01/2013 15:12, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Hi All, If I lauch GE from a Konsol, it gives:/opt/google/earth/free/google-earth: ./googleearth-bin: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3: bad ELF interpreter: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
During some previous installation tryes, I sow that the problemwas coming from a library requested by a component of Trinity. Can someone tell me, please, how to do to be able to run Google Earth, while using TDE as windows manager?
Thank youPatrick
Hello, it looks like you are installing a 32 bits application on a 64 bits machine. I guess the 32 bits library /lib/ld-lsb.so.3 is missing on your system.
To find which package to install, just type: yum provides /lib/ld-lsb.so.3
Then install the package (I guess the name: yum install redhat-lsb.i686
Francois
Thank you François, The resulting text of the command is attached. The tail of it being:protection contre les différentes versions de bibliothèques : qt3-3.3.8b-41.fc17.i686 != 1:qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.x86_64
The previous tryed command was "install redhat-lsb-4.1-5.fc17.i686"... CheersPatrick
I see, yum searches for QT3 3.3.8d for 32 bits, but it is not available in the 64 bits repository. I will fix this in the next Trinity release.
Until then, you can manually download and install the following packages:
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/rpm/f17/trinity-3...
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/rpm/f17/trinity-3...
Then install them: rpm -Uvh qt3-*.i686.rpm
Then try again to install redhat-lsb.i686 and then googleearth.
Francois
Thank you, François
Le mercredi 09 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 08/01/2013 06:29, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le lundi 07 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 07/01/2013 15:12, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Hi All, If I lauch GE from a Konsol, it gives:/opt/google/earth/free/google-earth: ./googleearth-bin: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3: bad ELF interpreter: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
During some previous installation tryes, I sow that the problemwas coming from a library requested by a component of Trinity. Can someone tell me, please, how to do to be able to run Google Earth, while using TDE as windows manager?
Thank youPatrick
Hello, it looks like you are installing a 32 bits application on a 64 bits machine. I guess the 32 bits library /lib/ld-lsb.so.3 is missing on your system.
To find which package to install, just type: yum provides /lib/ld-lsb.so.3
Then install the package (I guess the name: yum install redhat-lsb.i686
Francois
Thank you François, The resulting text of the command is attached. The tail of itbeing: protection contre les différentes versions de bibliothèques : qt3-3.3.8b-41.fc17.i686 != 1:qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.x86_64
The previous tryed command was"install redhat-lsb-4.1-5.fc17.i686"...
CheersPatrick
I see, yum searches for QT3 3.3.8d for 32 bits, but it is not available in the 64 bits repository. I will fix this in the next Trinity release.
Until then, you can manually download and install the following packages: http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/.../qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686.rpm .../qt3-config-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686.rpm
Then install them: rpm -Uvh qt3-*.i686.rpm
The result is: [user@lin-pat Telechargements]# rpm -Uvh qt3-*.i686.rpm erreur: Dépendances requises: libXinerama.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXrandr.so.2 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libmng.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXinerama.so.1 est nécessaire pour t3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXrandr.so.2 est nécessaire pour qt3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libmng.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686
Then try again to install redhat-lsb.i686 and then googleearth.
Francois
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick
Le 10/01/2013 03:31, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Thank you, FrançoisLe mercredi 09 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 08/01/2013 06:29, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le lundi 07 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 07/01/2013 15:12, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Hi All, If I lauch GE from a Konsol, it gives:/opt/google/earth/free/google-earth: ./googleearth-bin: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3: bad ELF interpreter: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
During some previous installation tryes, I sow that the problemwas coming from a library requested by a component of Trinity. Can someone tell me, please, how to do to be able to run Google Earth, while using TDE as windows manager?
Thank youPatrick
Hello, it looks like you are installing a 32 bits application on a 64 bits machine. I guess the 32 bits library /lib/ld-lsb.so.3 is missing on your system.
To find which package to install, just type: yum provides /lib/ld-lsb.so.3
Then install the package (I guess the name: yum install redhat-lsb.i686
Francois
Thank you François, The resulting text of the command is attached. The tail of itbeing: protection contre les différentes versions de bibliothèques : qt3-3.3.8b-41.fc17.i686 != 1:qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.x86_64
The previous tryed command was"install redhat-lsb-4.1-5.fc17.i686"...
CheersPatrick
I see, yum searches for QT3 3.3.8d for 32 bits, but it is not available in the 64 bits repository. I will fix this in the next Trinity release.
Until then, you can manually download and install the following packages: http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/.../qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686.rpm .../qt3-config-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686.rpm
Then install them: rpm -Uvh qt3-*.i686.rpm
The result is:[user@lin-pat Telechargements]# rpm -Uvh qt3-*.i686.rpm erreur: Dépendances requises: libXinerama.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXrandr.so.2 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libmng.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXinerama.so.1 est nécessaire pour t3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXrandr.so.2 est nécessaire pour qt3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libmng.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686
Then try again to install redhat-lsb.i686 and then googleearth.
Francois
Patrick
OK you have no 32 bits library at all on your computer. Then try to install the files with yum:
yum localinstall --nogpgcheck qt3-*.i686.rpm
Francois
Le jeudi 10 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 10/01/2013 03:31, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Thank you, FrançoisLe mercredi 09 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 08/01/2013 06:29, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le lundi 07 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 07/01/2013 15:12, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Hi All, If I lauch GE from a Konsol, it gives:/opt/google/earth/free/google-earth: ./googleearth-bin: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3: bad ELF interpreter: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
During some previous installation tryes, I sow that theproblem was coming from a library requested by a component of Trinity. Can someone tell me, please, how to do to be able to run Google Earth, while using TDE as windows manager?
Thank youPatrick
Hello, it looks like you are installing a 32 bits application on a 64 bits machine. I guess the 32 bits library /lib/ld-lsb.so.3 is missing on your system.
To find which package to install, just type: yum provides /lib/ld-lsb.so.3
Then install the package (I guess the name: yum install redhat-lsb.i686
Francois
Thank you François, The resulting text of the command is attached. The tail of itbeing: protection contre les différentes versions de bibliothèques : qt3-3.3.8b-41.fc17.i686 != 1:qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.x86_64
The previous tryed command was"install redhat-lsb-4.1-5.fc17.i686"...
CheersPatrick
I see, yum searches for QT3 3.3.8d for 32 bits, but it is not available in the 64 bits repository. I will fix this in the next Trinity release.
Until then, you can manually download and install the following packages: http://ppa.quickbuild.../qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686.rpm .../qt3-config-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686.rpm
Then install them: rpm -Uvh qt3-*.i686.rpm
The result is:[user@lin-pat Telechargements]# rpm -Uvh qt3-*.i686.rpm erreur: Dépendances requises: libXinerama.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXrandr.so.2 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libmng.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXinerama.so.1 est nécessaire pour t3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXrandr.so.2 est nécessaire pour qt3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libmng.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686
Then try again to install redhat-lsb.i686 and then googleearth.
Francois
Patrick
OK you have no 32 bits library at all on your computer. Then try to install the files with yum:
yum localinstall --nogpgcheck qt3-*.i686.rpm
Francois
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi François,
Thank you. Attached is the resultS
Cheers Patrick
Le 12/01/2013 00:49, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le jeudi 10 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 10/01/2013 03:31, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Thank you, FrançoisLe mercredi 09 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 08/01/2013 06:29, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le lundi 07 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 07/01/2013 15:12, Patrick Serru a écrit : > Hi All, > > If I lauch GE from a Konsol, it gives: > /opt/google/earth/free/google-earth: ./googleearth-bin: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3: > bad ELF interpreter: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type > > During some previous installation tryes, I sow that the > problem was coming from a library requested by a component of > Trinity. Can someone tell me, please, how to do to be able to run > Google Earth, while using TDE as windows manager? > > Thank you > Patrick > Hello, it looks like you are installing a 32 bits application on a 64 bits machine. I guess the 32 bits library /lib/ld-lsb.so.3 is missing on your system.
To find which package to install, just type: yum provides /lib/ld-lsb.so.3
Then install the package (I guess the name: yum install redhat-lsb.i686
Francois
Thank you François, The resulting text of the command is attached. The tail of itbeing: protection contre les différentes versions de bibliothèques : qt3-3.3.8b-41.fc17.i686 != 1:qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.x86_64
The previous tryed command was"install redhat-lsb-4.1-5.fc17.i686"...
CheersPatrick
I see, yum searches for QT3 3.3.8d for 32 bits, but it is not available in the 64 bits repository. I will fix this in the next Trinity release.
Until then, you can manually download and install the following packages: http://ppa.quickbuild.../qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686.rpm .../qt3-config-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686.rpm
Then install them: rpm -Uvh qt3-*.i686.rpm
The result is:[user@lin-pat Telechargements]# rpm -Uvh qt3-*.i686.rpm erreur: Dépendances requises: libXinerama.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXrandr.so.2 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libmng.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXinerama.so.1 est nécessaire pour t3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXrandr.so.2 est nécessaire pour qt3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libmng.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686
Then try again to install redhat-lsb.i686 and then googleearth.
Francois
Patrick
OK you have no 32 bits library at all on your computer. Then try to install the files with yum:
yum localinstall --nogpgcheck qt3-*.i686.rpm
Francois
Hi François, Thank you. Attached is the resultS CheersPatrick
Now that QT3 is installed, don't forget to install redhat-lsb.i686
yum install redhat-lsb.i686
Francois
Le samedi 12 janvier 2013, Francois Andriot a écrit :
Le 12/01/2013 00:49, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le jeudi 10 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 10/01/2013 03:31, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Thank you, FrançoisLe mercredi 09 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 08/01/2013 06:29, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le lundi 07 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit : > Le 07/01/2013 15:12, Patrick Serru a écrit : >> Hi All, >> >> If I lauch GE from a Konsol, it gives: >> /opt/google/earth/free/google-earth: ./googleearth-bin: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3: >> bad ELF interpreter: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type >> >> During some previous installation tryes, I sow that the >> problem was coming from a library requested by a component of >> Trinity. Can someone tell me, please, how to do to be able to run >> Google Earth, while using TDE as windows manager? >> >> Thank you >> Patrick >> > Hello, > it looks like you are installing a 32 bits application on a 64 bits > machine. > I guess the 32 bits library /lib/ld-lsb.so.3 is missing on your > system. > > To find which package to install, just type: > yum provides /lib/ld-lsb.so.3 > > Then install the package (I guess the name: > yum install redhat-lsb.i686 > > Francois
>
Thank you François, The resulting text of the command is attached. The tail of itbeing: protection contre les différentes versions de bibliothèques : qt3-3.3.8b-41.fc17.i686 != 1:qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.x86_64
The previous tryed command was"install redhat-lsb-4.1-5.fc17.i686"...
CheersPatrick
I see, yum searches for QT3 3.3.8d for 32 bits, but it is not
available
in the 64 bits repository. I will fix this in the next Trinity release.
Until then, you can manually download and install the following packages: http://ppa.quickbuild.../qt3-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686.rpm .../qt3-config-3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686.rpm
Then install them: rpm -Uvh qt3-*.i686.rpm
The result is:[user@lin-pat Telechargements]# rpm -Uvh qt3-*.i686.rpm erreur: Dépendances requises: libXinerama.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXrandr.so.2 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libmng.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libXinerama.so.1 est nécessaire pour
t3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686
libXrandr.so.2 est nécessaire pour qt3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686 libmng.so.1 est nécessaire pour qt3-config-1:3.3.8.d-9.fc17.i686Then try again to install redhat-lsb.i686 and then googleearth.
Francois
Patrick
OK you have no 32 bits library at all on your computer. Then try to install the files with yum:
yum localinstall --nogpgcheck qt3-*.i686.rpm
Francois
Hi François, Thank you. Attached is the resultS CheersPatrick
Now that QT3 is installed, don't forget to install redhat-lsb.i686
yum install redhat-lsb.i686
Francois
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi François, and thank you,
Attached are the resultS. Does'nt it mean "game over" :-/
Cheers Patrick
On 01/12/2013 01:37 AM, Francois Andriot wrote:
Le 12/01/2013 00:49, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le jeudi 10 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 10/01/2013 03:31, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le mercredi 09 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 08/01/2013 06:29, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le lundi 07 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit : > Le 07/01/2013 15:12, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Maybe a word about trimming replies is in order. I don't mean to pick on Francois and Patrick -- they just have the misfortune of having presented the opportunity. :) It seems to be a very common problem here.
It really doesn't take 8 levels of quotes, and a whole bunch of text from each, to preserve the continuity of a conversation; and it defeats the purpose of bottom-posting. The idea is, to quote only as much as necessary so readers can follow the conversation. Usually it really does take only a few lines of quoted text; much more than that makes it difficult to read. By the time it gets to 8 levels and almost 100 lines of quoted text, it takes longer to page down through it than to read the 4 lines of text at the bottom.
So, I hope we can convince folks to trim their replies a little more.
On Sunday 13 January 2013 08:06:43 Dan Youngquist wrote:
<snip> > > So, I hope we can convince folks to trim their replies a little more.
+25 :-)
G.
Just throwing an idea like that: Wouldn't a forum be a better platform than mailling list? It also avoid top-posting and trim problems...
Have a nice day! -Alexandre
On 13/01/13 11:21, Alexandre Couture wrote:
On Sunday 13 January 2013 08:06:43 Dan Youngquist wrote:
<snip> > > So, I hope we can convince folks to trim their replies a little more.
+25 :-)
G.
Just throwing an idea like that: Wouldn't a forum be a better platform than mailling list? It also avoid top-posting and trim problems...
No it wouldn't be better, and no forums don't avoid posting issues.
Forums are a "pull" technology: I have to actively decide to go to some website and look for new comments or questions, then keep refreshing the page periodically to see replies to questions. Even if there is some sort of notification service (like a RSS feed), nevertheless I must still make the decision to actively open a tab in a browser and go to the forum.
Email is a "push" technology: new comments and questions just appear in my inbox without me needing to go out and look for them. So long as I monitor this one location, my inbox, I will see these messages.
I already have, at quick count, well over 120 assorted tabs open in five different browsers on two machines. If I had to actively monitor this list by viewing a web page, I wouldn't.
As for posting issues, it is probably true that web forums *reduce* the hassle caused by top-posting and failure to trim. But that's only because forum software usually defaults to "no quote" replies: replies have have no context, except that they are part of some thread. In small threads, or in sufficiently well-written and explicit replies, you don't need much to establish context. But as threads get bigger, or as writers get lazier or less competent, you still need to establish context. I cannot begin to tell you how many forum discussions I have seen with replies that give *no clue* who, or which specific comment, they are replying to.
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On 13/01/13 11:21, Alexandre Couture wrote:
On Sunday 13 January 2013 08:06:43 Dan Youngquist wrote:
<snip> > > So, I hope we can convince folks to trim their replies a little more.
+25 :-)
G.
Just throwing an idea like that: Wouldn't a forum be a better platform than mailling list? It also avoid top-posting and trim problems...
No it wouldn't be better, and no forums don't avoid posting issues.
Forums are a "pull" technology: I have to actively decide to go to some website and look for new comments or questions, then keep refreshing the page periodically to see replies to questions. Even if there is some sort of notification service (like a RSS feed), nevertheless I must still make the decision to actively open a tab in a browser and go to the forum.
Email is a "push" technology: new comments and questions just appear in my inbox without me needing to go out and look for them. So long as I monitor this one location, my inbox, I will see these messages.
you pretty much say it, I wrote a response which I didn't send which put it this way, I like getting mail delivered to my door (or screen); don't want to pick it up at the post-office.
I already have, at quick count, well over 120 assorted tabs open in five different browsers on two machines. If I had to actively monitor this list by viewing a web page, I wouldn't.
As for posting issues, it is probably true that web forums *reduce* the hassle caused by top-posting and failure to trim. But that's only because forum software usually defaults to "no quote" replies: replies have have no context, except that they are part of some thread. In small threads, or in sufficiently well-written and explicit replies, you don't need much to establish context. But as threads get bigger, or as writers get lazier or less competent, you still need to establish context. I cannot begin to tell you how many forum discussions I have seen with replies that give *no clue* who, or which specific comment, they are replying to.
let's add that some forum software will 'thread' replies by indenting them; this helps visually though it can be overwhelming too and it doesn't obviate the need to cite context as you point out.
really, the rules are pretty simple:
a) generally bottom-post (not necessarily always);
b) if the post is complex, 'interweave', as Glen Cunningham puts;
c) trim what is not needed (perhaps indicate trims with a "[...]" or similar (some insert a pseudo-latin word 'deletia', sniff!).
until I hear from other contendas, I'm going to declare you, Steven, "King of the Tabs" -- 120 tabs open at once!
F.
On 2013-01-12 21:14 (GMT-0500) Felmon Davis composed:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I already have, at quick count, well over 120 assorted tabs open in five different browsers on two machines. If I had to actively monitor this list by viewing a web page, I wouldn't.
Similar: 2 machines, 7 browsers, way too many tabs to count with any ease, because there are more than will fit in view at once. The tab scroller appears at either or both ends on more than one browser window. The two with the probable most I counted via scroller select list, 43 & 40. Total tabs could easily be 180+ across all 9 windows (8 & 9 are Chatzilla @ 10-13 each), and are certainly more than 120 even without Chatzilla or Konsole (8 ATM across 2 windows). I've been using "tabs" since sometime before 1990, although back then, in DOS, they had other names according to the app.
until I hear from other contendas, I'm going to declare you, Steven, "King of the Tabs" -- 120 tabs open at once!
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I already have, at quick count, well over 120 assorted tabs open in five different browsers on two machines. If I had to actively monitor this list by viewing a web page, I wouldn't.
Similar: 2 machines, 7 browsers, way too many tabs to count with any ease, because there are more than will fit in view at once. The tab scroller appears at either or both ends on more than one browser window. The two with the probable most I counted via scroller select list, 43 & 40. Total tabs could easily be 180+ across all 9 windows (8 & 9 are Chatzilla @ 10-13 each), and are certainly more than 120 even without Chatzilla or Konsole (8 ATM across 2 windows). I've been using "tabs" since sometime before 1990, although back then, in DOS, they had other names according to the app.
until I hear from other contendas, I'm going to declare you, Steven, "King of the Tabs" -- 120 tabs open at once!
Oh, I think that my small Asus EEE (first-gen) would explode with so many opened tabs!
I now know the problems of forums, but it seems that something better could exist no? Maybe a system I don't know? If I take the example of blogs on Wordpress (and probably others also...), you can get an email when a new post is written and when somebody responds to a post.
-Alexandre
On Sunday 13 January 2013 12:51:57 Alexandre Couture wrote:
Oh, I think that my small Asus EEE (first-gen) would explode with so many opened tabs!
I now know the problems of forums, but it seems that something better could exist no? Maybe a system I don't know? If I take the example of blogs on Wordpress (and probably others also...), you can get an email when a new post is written and when somebody responds to a post.
Yuk! So every time you have to go and look at the new post or response.
I find mailing lists significantly better. They just download and I can filter or delete them as I choose, and read them when it suits me. I have never found anything that I would consider better than a straightforward mailing list, nor even, in fact, anywhere near as good.
Alexandre, you puzzle me. You want TDE to look like KDE4. So why not use KDE4? It would then look exactly like KDE4. You join a mailing list and then complain because it is a mailing list.
If you want KDE4 and fora, why not use KDE4 and fora? There are loads of fora on the net, each more of a pain to use than the last. And PCLOS comes with KDE4 as standard, so you would not even need to remaster it! ;-)
Lisi
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013, Alexandre Couture wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I already have, at quick count, well over 120 assorted tabs open in five different browsers on two machines.
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Similar: 2 machines, 7 browsers, way too many tabs to count with any ease,
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Oh, I think that my small Asus EEE (first-gen) would explode with so many opened tabs!
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Another gripe -- besides not trimming replies -- is the hijacking of a topic without changing the Subject:
Jonesy
On 2013-01-12 19:21 (GMT-0500) Alexandre Couture composed:
Wouldn't a forum be a better platform than mailling list?
For some users, yes. Typically their signal to noise ratios are worse, with higher percentage of questions unanswered either at all or competently. For people who want faster and/or better response from highly competent sources, mailing lists typically work better. Example: Linux kernel development. I doubt kernel devs even have a forum.
Forum: pull content (have to open browser and go there, no notice when & where to go unless RSS) List: push content (comes to you automatically once you subscribe)
Forum: usually a copy of your own post is not even an option List: your own copy is a presumptively easier to locate record of what you did, where & when
Forum: usually mousetype, hard to read without applying defenses to counteract List: plain text usually, so uses your choice of fonts by default
Forum: no filtering List: you can filter to various folders according to subject, source, etc.
Forum: clumsy to save and easily relocate good answers to questions for future reference List: easy to keep and easily relocate good answers to questions for future reference
Experienced users typically wish to save time not hunting for questions to answer, so prefer lists.
I rarely use forums for subjects for which I can find suitable mailing lists.
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:06:43 -0800 Dan Youngquist dan@homestead-products.com wrote:
On 01/12/2013 01:37 AM, Francois Andriot wrote:
Le 12/01/2013 00:49, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le jeudi 10 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 10/01/2013 03:31, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le mercredi 09 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 08/01/2013 06:29, Patrick Serru a écrit : > Le lundi 07 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit : >> Le 07/01/2013 15:12, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Maybe a word about trimming replies is in order. I don't mean to pick on Francois and Patrick -- they just have the misfortune of having presented the opportunity. :) It seems to be a very common problem here.
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So, I hope we can convince folks to trim their replies a little more.
Hear, hear!
On 13/01/13 08:06, Dan Youngquist wrote:
It really doesn't take 8 levels of quotes, and a whole bunch of text from each, to preserve the continuity of a conversation;
Agreed.
and it defeats the purpose of bottom-posting.
I prefer the terms "interleaved" or "inline posting" rather than bottom posting, because comments don't appear only at the *bottom* of the email, at the end of all the quoted text, but are interleaved between quotes, as if the writers were carrying on a conversation.
So, I hope we can convince folks to trim their replies a little more.
What he said.
Le samedi 12 janvier 2013, Dan Youngquist a écrit :
On 01/12/2013 01:37 AM, Francois Andriot wrote:
Le 12/01/2013 00:49, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le jeudi 10 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 10/01/2013 03:31, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le mercredi 09 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Le 08/01/2013 06:29, Patrick Serru a écrit : > Le lundi 07 janvier 2013, François ANDRIOT a écrit : >> Le 07/01/2013 15:12, Patrick Serru a écrit :
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--------------------- Hi All,
I agree! Until now, the rule was netiquette. Let's liberate ourselves!
Cheers, Patrick
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