On Tuesday 20 December 2011 3:43:18 am Robert Xu wrote:

Forwarded from [trinity-announce]:

I was just informed that the primary Trinity mirror server at http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu has been taken offline permanently. As a result, most TDE binary files and source tarballs are currently unavailable for public access, as the secondary mirror seems to be set up to point to the (offline) primary as of 12/20/2011. All files are intact locally; this is a temporary mirroring failure ONLY.

I am working with the remaining mirror maintainers to resolve this issue. Once the mirroring system is back online, any problems encountered should be reported immediately to the trinity-devel mailing list.

The Trinity project would like to thank the maintainer of the defunct uidaho.edu server, Dave Lien, for providing our primary mirror for the past couple of years. This mirror server was the fastest and most reliable of the entire system.

This event leaves the Trinity project in need of several new mirror sites to ensure reliable operation. If you have an unlimited, fast connection and want to provide a mirror for TDE, please contact Timothy Pearson at kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net You will need to be able to schedule an rsync pull via cron on a 24 hour interval to be able to provide a mirror.

Thank you for your understanding while I sort out the remaining issues!

Timothy Pearson Trinity Desktop Project

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I think there was another mirror, mirror.tokra.lv? I'm forgetting the url atm.

OSU open source labs is a great mirror site, Debian, Centos, Gentoo and many other open source projects, worth someone contacting them to ask ?

http://osuosl.org/services/hosting/policy

On 20 December 2011 10:49, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:

What about ibiblio? They host a lot too On Dec 20, 2011 8:03 AM, "Greg Madden" gomadtroll@gci.net wrote:

http://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/HOW.TO.SUBMIT.html

they even have a howto sign up page.

Just as well I kept my apt-cacher-ng archive!

Unfortunately the mirror.tokra.lv redirects to mirror.its.uidaho.edu

While the mirrors are down (hopefully not too long) it is still possible to install Squeeze/TDE using a live-cd

http://exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/trinity/

This is not an "officially supported" method (but it works)

David

What's the status of the mirror problem? I have a couple machines I need to install ASAP.

Unfortunately the mirror system rebuild is still in progress. I would not expect access to be restored before Jan. 1st.

Tim

On Saturday 24 December 2011 11:33:31 am Lisi wrote:

Could it get any worse?? Yes, it could.

On Friday 23 December 2011 00:35:27 Timothy Pearson wrote:

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What's the status of the mirror problem? I have a couple machines I need to install ASAP.

Unfortunately the mirror system rebuild is still in progress. I would not expect access to be restored before Jan. 1st.

:-( I have just decided that as I can't have Trinity on a fresh install : for

the moment, I should look at KDE 4. After all, perhaps I shouldn't condemn something out of hand and permanently. Fortunately it is in a VM and easily removeable. I shall just get rid of the whole VM and start again. It is GHASTLY. Far worse than I remembered. So, pending the reopening of the mirrors, I shall have a look at Lubuntu.

I also do VM's. My main use of KDE is kdepim, I always have an alternate plan ...right now I am testing Debian Wheezy (testing) XFCE & kdepim from KDE4. KDE4 apps on a lightweight DE or WM works ok.

On Saturday 24 December 2011 11:59:29 am Werner Joss wrote:

On Saturday 24 December 2011 21:46:39 Greg Madden wrote:

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I also do VM's. My main use of KDE is kdepim, I always have an alternate plan ...right now I am testing Debian Wheezy (testing) XFCE & kdepim from KDE4.   KDE4 apps on a lightweight DE or WM works ok.

from kde 4.8, you'll need the whole akonadi/nepomuk stuff for kdepim to work, a 'lightweight' DE won't save you any more ressources, then.

" whole akonadi/nepomuk stuff" bah-humbug, coal in their stocking :-)

On Sun, 25 Dec 2011, Thierry de Coulon wrote:

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:

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:-(  I have just decided that as I can't have Trinity on a fresh install for the moment, I should look at KDE 4.  After all, perhaps I shouldn't condemn something out of hand and permanently.  Fortunately it is in a VM and easily removeable.  I shall just get rid of the whole VM and start again.  It is GHASTLY.  Far worse than I remembered.  So, pending the reopening of the mirrors, I shall have a look at Lubuntu.

May I suggest you give a look to Mepis? It's not only KDE 4, it's the implementation thereof, and Waren has chosen very sensible settings that make his implementation fairly good - not as good as Trinity, but a good second best at the time, IMHO.

I was going to say that! (but the list doesn't accept emails from home.)

I have Mepis set up on a netbook and KDE4 is quite tolerable. it does not get in the way and I never think 'plasmoid'.

I also hear that there is a KDE3 update someone has made for OpenSuse. it will be hard to kill KDE3 though the impression I am getting is that KDE4 is 'evolving' ('revolving'?) in the direction of KDE3.

a further observation about Mepis: it seems some settings cannot be changed from the gui interface, for instance, mouse and touchpad control. it seems one has to grapple with the commandline for that. don't know if this is a gap in my setup or part of the KDE4 philosophy.

F.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2011, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2011/12/24 18:49 (GMT-0500) Felmon Davis composed:

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I also hear that there is a KDE3 update someone has made for OpenSuse.

"A" is a herculean understatement. openSUSE KDE3 repos seem to get updated no less often recently than they were while still officially supported. I run KDE3 on about as many openSUSE systems as I do KDE4, but KDE3 gets the most usage here by far. It seems KDE3 updates are available every time I check, probably as often as Packman's multimedia stuff. Ilya has ported over a lot of things from Trinity into openSUSE's KDE 3.5.10.1.XXX.X.

this is interesting to know! I sort of abandoned OpenSUSE a while ago as I grew to like apt-get. I recently did a live-boot of it on a 1gb netbook and it seemed inordinately sluggish while other live distros were sprightlier. probably could be configured to better effect but I didn't bother.

(warms my heart to see the tag 'Team OS/2'.)

F.

On Monday 26 December 2011 15:10:08 Felix Miata wrote:

Now with System V init having been replaced or set for replacement, my distaste for Debian clumping of everything into only two runlevels may disappear, which in turn might lead me to a new preference.

That's only the default. It is not compulsory. And there are four on my Debian machines, 0, 1, 2, 6. I know that the rpm distros use different runlevels - e.g. run-level 5 is the equivalent of Debian run-level 2 - but surely they only have the same number of levels by default, just with different numbers allocated to one or two of the levels? Extra ones can be added in both types of distro. 0 and 6 are surely the same. And I thought that 1 was too, but it is several years since I looked at this, so I may be wrong on that.

Lisi

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:24:39 +0000 Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday 26 December 2011 15:10:08 Felix Miata wrote:

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Now with System V init having been replaced or set for replacement, my distaste for Debian clumping of everything into only two runlevels may disappear, which in turn might lead me to a new preference.

That's only the default. It is not compulsory. And there are four on my Debian machines, 0, 1, 2, 6. I know that the rpm distros use different runlevels - e.g. run-level 5 is the equivalent of Debian run-level 2 - but surely they only have the same number of levels by default, just with different numbers allocated to one or two of the levels? Extra ones can be added in both types of distro. 0 and 6 are surely the same. And I thought that 1 was too, but it is several years since I looked at this, so I may be wrong on that.

Varies by distro, I think. Gentoo uses a default set of four named runlevels (sysinit, boot, default, shutdown) with distinct purposes, but I know OpenRC isn't quite like most distros' init systems.

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2011/12/25 00:44 (GMT-0500) Felmon Davis composed:

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...I sort of abandoned OpenSUSE a while ago as I grew to like apt-get.

Before openSUSE created zypper? Maybe it's time for another try.

yes, before zypper. I have noticed the improvements (from reading the newsgroups).

maybe I should try it again but I'm not sure why.

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I recently did a live-boot of it on a 1gb netbook and it seemed inordinately sluggish while other live distros were sprightlier. probably could be configured to better effect but I didn't bother.

"Live" distros are an art all their own. For this reason, I only use the original, Knoppix, when I need a live Linux.

I tried the 'live' just to have a look-see, not because I 'need' a live distro. I have a spare netbook and decided to peek at some other distros.

when it was sluggish, I certainly wasn't motivated to go further and install it. but I concur with you that it is not an adequate test of the distro in its natural environment.

For normal installations, openSUSE with KDE3 have always worked best for me. Now with System V init having been replaced or set for replacement, my distaste for Debian clumping of everything into only two runlevels may disappear, which in turn might lead me to a new preference.

guess I'm indifferent to this limitation. I agree it's no fun mucking in inittab.

F.

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011, Xyzzy wrote:

On 12/24/2011 03:49 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:

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a further observation about Mepis: it seems some settings cannot be changed from the gui interface, for instance, mouse and touchpad control. it seems one has to grapple with the commandline for that. don't know if this is a gap in my setup or part of the KDE4 philosophy.

I'm running a near-default Mepis install, and the usual options (right/left handed, reverse scroll direction, double/single click to open, pointers, touchpad on/off, tapping etc.) are showing up for me in KDE4's System Settings > Hardware > Input Devices along with the Keyboard & Joystick controls.

the computer isn't accessible this moment but thanks for this, I will look again but I didn't find these options before and I can't (easily) believe I overlooked them so maybe the install is partly broken.

it seems to work fine though except that I want to slow down the cursor. at first I thought it was some kind of driver problem, the cursor seemed to drift upward on its own; I now think it's sensitive to my touch - my finger is resting on it (I think). I have to watch out for that but I also want to make the touchpad less 'skittish'.

F.

-- Felmon Davis

Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing. -- Roy L. Ash, ex-president, Litton Industries

On Saturday 24 December 2011 20:33:31 Lisi wrote:

Could it get any worse?? Yes, it could. :-( I have just decided that as I can't have Trinity on a fresh install : for

the moment, I should look at KDE 4. After all, perhaps I shouldn't condemn something out of hand and permanently. Fortunately it is in a VM and easily removeable. I shall just get rid of the whole VM and start again. It is GHASTLY. Far worse than I remembered. So, pending the reopening of the mirrors, I shall have a look at Lubuntu.

Linux Mint is worth a look. I have Mint 11 Debian Edition in a VM, as my work environment. While I miss some of the KDE3 features, it's a very usable GNOME 2 environment.

Mint 12 is Ubuntu based, but without Unity. it has 3 main options, GNOME 3 with MGSE (Mint Gnome Shell Extensions), regular GNOME 3 and MATE. MGSE is supposed to give it a similar feel to the old GNOME 2 and MATE is a continuing GNOME 2 development (Trinity for Gnome?). I have had a quick look at Mint 12 and it seems nice, but I haven't done more than kick the tyres.

HTH

Neil Youngman

I'm going to be rebuilding my wife's machine with wheezy or sid in the next few days. Does no one have a stash of the latest amd64 trinity debs?

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On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Timothy Pearson < kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:

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What's the status of the mirror problem? I have a couple machines I need to install ASAP.

Unfortunately the mirror system rebuild is still in progress. I would not expect access to be restored before Jan. 1st.

Tim

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On 12/25/2011 06:17 PM, Greg Madden wrote:

Brad, I have a tar archive, 267MB, I sent a PM , I can send it to you.

On Sunday 25 December 2011 12:42:33 pm Brad Alexander wrote:

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I'm going to be rebuilding my wife's machine with wheezy or sid in the next few days. Does no one have a stash of the latest amd64 trinity debs?

The mirrors are down? Oh.. How long do you know? I was hoping to fresh install it soon :(