tde-users January 2011

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Reversal of shortcuts?
by Luciano ES 15 Jan '11

15 Jan '11

So, I upgraded my old Ubuntu box to Maverick recently, with Trinity, of course. God bless. But not without a few incidents. Some of the old settings were lost, especially in Kmail. And I noticed an annoying change in the shortcuts. I have many mailboxes: private, work, another work, Gmail etc. When I created them, I was required to name each one of them. So I put numbers in the names: 1 - Work 2 - Private 3 - Another work 4 - Gmail etc. Opening the File menu in Kmail, the item "Check Mail In >" had the letter C underlined, so I developed the habit of pressing Alt+f, c to open the "Check Mail In >" submenu with all my mail accounts. Then I would press the number of the account I wanted to check: Alt+f, c, 1 for "1 - Work". Fine. Could be better, but anyway... That is a lot worse now. The new Kmail still has "Check Mail In >" but now it underlines the letter I. Which is bad, because "Import Messages..." also has the letter I underlined. So, instead of pressing Alt+f, c, now I am supposed to press Alt+f, i, and because the letter i matches two items in that menu, that mail account submenu does not open automatically anymore. Pressing i over and over swaps the selection from "Import Messages..." to "Check Mail In >" then back to "Import Messages..." ad infinitum. None will be selected automatically, I have to press Enter. So my procedure now is: Alt+f, i, i, Enter. Annoying. Even worse, now pressing the account number (first character of the account name) doesn't work anymore. In other words, pressing Alt+f, i, i, Enter, 1 does not check the "1 - Work" account. I have to go another Enter... Summing up: from <Alt+f, c, 1> I had to go to <Alt+f, i, i, Enter, Enter> and that's just for the first item of the submenu. For the 5th item, it's <Alt+f, i, i, Enter, down, down, down, down, Enter>. Grrrrr... Can we go back to the old arrangement? Please? Is it the proper place for that discussion or should I take it to the official KDE team? I suppose they only care about KDE 4 now, and they probably *prefer* the current, more cumbersome arrangement. I mean, just look at the horrible things they did to Gwenview, or Dolphin... :-\ -- Luciano ES >>

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kmenu mockup still pending
by Kate Draven 15 Jan '11

15 Jan '11

Sorry folks, Been sick, so I haven't been able to setup and send out the mockup of the kmenu setup I've been working on. I'll have it out before the end of this week. Sorry for the delay and thank you for your patience. Kate

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[trinity-users] Squeeze/Trinity Live CD
by David Hare 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

I have spent some time developing a Squeeze live-cd with Trinity. Why? Because there is nothing out there in the mainstream that I like and I have seen no Squeeze/Trinity live-cd elsewhere yet. It is named Exe Linux as I live beside the Exe Estuary in Devon, England. It might be a good starting point or demonstration for anyone who is interested but is unsure of running Trinity on Squeeze. The result has (to the best of my knowledge) strictly GPL software. Some custom themes, configurations and scripts are included but are debianized, i.e. they can be removed/replaced by apt (for example extra live-config scripts to support Trinity autologin and locale/language) and should not conflict with Squeeze core system components The live cd has an optional integrated installer (hacked remastersys) for HD and a custom CLI script for USB persistent pendrive. It is built "from scratch" using custom scripts, debbootstrap and GNU tools (not live-helper nor remastersys) and is not a "remaster" of anything else. The build scripts are included in the live-cd but are experimental and, misused, could trash a running system. If you want to try a remaster better use remastersys (and please don't request support from remastersys forums because a hacked version is used). Three locales/languages are built-in (US, GB and ES) No more fit the CD without removing one. If there is any interest I would like to make this available to Trinity users, perhaps later in the "community downloads" section. In the meantime the current ISO (685MB) is available here (can paste this in a terminal): wget -c "http://exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/trinity/exelinux_squeeze_trinity_…" md5sum: wget -c "http://exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/trinity/md5sum_exelinux_squeeze_t…" Disclaimer: This is *not* an official Trinity project. There are probably some bugs. There is some scrappy and probably out-of-date documentation. Use at your own risk.

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sudo-trinity in Debian Squeeze
by Mike Bird 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

(Moving discussion of sudo-trinity to a new thread.) On Fri January 14 2011 10:42:59 Timothy Pearson wrote: > The reason for the third-party sudo is simply to add /opt/kde3/bin and > friends to the built-in RPATH variable, thus allowing Trinity applications > to be launched via "sudo <appname>", instead of "sudo > /opt/trinity/bin/<appname>". That's the only change; if you don't trust > me grab the source of the official sudo package and the modified one and > run a diff between them. ;-) $ diff -r sudo-1.7.4p4/ sudo-trinity-1.7.2p7/ | wc -l 112770 Would it be possible to have kde-core-trinity depend on sudo, and to have sudo-trinity conflict with sudo and provide sudo? This would allow people to retain Debian's sudo if they prefer. --Mike Bird

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Disabling Nepomuk
by John A. Sullivan III 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

Hello, all. One of the bug reasons we avoid KDE4 is the resource drain of running Nepomuk. However, we are finding it is always starting on our Trinity desktops. How does one prevent Nepomuk from starting? Thanks - John

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Furture of KDE3 questions
by Larry Stotler 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

High guys. This may have been spelled out somewhere, but if so I missed it, so please bear with me. I've been a KDE user since 1.x which was part of SuSE v5.3. Up till KDE4, I was always found KDE to do what I needed. I have some questions about the future direction of KDE3: 1. Qt4 port - I saw that this is one the roadmap. Is this really neccessary? I know that a lot of my complaints about KDE4 was the useless revamp of the interface, but having to have both Qt3/4 libs was also a huge pain. I'm not against a port if there are compelling reasons for it, but I have seen no compelling reason for KDE4. It uses more memory and space. I have a lot of older laptops that I find KDE3 to be snappy and KDE4 to be like molassas. 2. What about the other KDE projects like KOffice? I've always made use of KOffice instead of anything else. I find OpenOffice to be bloated. 3. Removal of HAL in favor of udev - Is this something that is going to affect KDE3? 4. Dependencies - I'm not sure how it is on other distros, but I've always found SuSE/openSUSE to suffer from unneccessary dependencies. Not everyone has a Palmpilot device, and most PIMs assume you do and force you to install support for something you don't have. I'm not sure how the core KDE and the other projects handle this. How is Trinity planning to do it? 5. XOrg and KDE3 - on openSUSE 11.3, I can't setup my displays because openSUSE removed it's config program SaX2 and I can't get XOrg to work with my displays. Works fine in openSUSE 11.0/KDE3 because I have SaX2. Is there an alternative for configuring displays? Sorry if some of this is a repeat. I'm new to the list, but a longtime KDE user. Thanx

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Thoughts & wishes about the Trinity project status and its future...
by Nicolas BERCHER 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

Hi, I have a few questions about the Trinity project status,(part of them seem to have been partially discussed on the list): - Is Trinity endorsed in any way by the KDE project (except the share of sources repository)? - Are there original KDE3 developpers involved in Trinity development? If so, I'd really like to know if they do it because KDE4 broke too much things (and/or they consider a desktop environment should not break things this way)? - What are the long term perspectives about Trinity? Will Trinity become something different than KDE3 or it keep it as close as possible? I mean, the move from KDE3 to KDE4 changed & broke a lots of things that I used to work with since 2004. I'd really like a desktop environment that doesn't change too much, that keeps its basis stable (eg. themes can evolve, apps be improved, but keep it functionally the same!). By the end, I really think it's a matter of "respect for users": if one changes things like KDE4 did, what do we have to think about respect they have (or don't have) for their users? OK KDE4 is beautiful, etc. but it's deaply another desktop environment (also deeply slow in some particular configurations such as konsole/nvidia ships), so why should I continue to use KDE desktops? I almost think KDE4 should have change its name to something else OR... KDE3 should have been officially maintained... or Trinity officially endorsed (is that the case?)! So, what's going on? Thank you, Nicolas PS: Do you have an idea about the approximate number of Trinity users? It seems this list is always growing...

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Debian Squeeze: installing trinity requires to remove gnome package
by Nicolas BERCHER 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

Hi, I use Trinity on 3 machines (1×Lenny+2×Squeeze) and was surprized installing Trinity on Squeeze: aptitude asked me to remove the gnome package and a few others (sorry I didn't have a copy of the aptitude messages). The main reason was about desktop-base (initially 6.0.5) conflicting with desktop-base-trinity (5.0.3-5). I assume this isn't the expected behaviour since there's no reason to remove gnome when installing trinity. However, I don't miss gnome at all but still I am surprized. Does this mean that there will be more and more issues when installing trinity on systems with recent libraries in a near future? I wonder how much trinity will evolve in parallel of kde4/gnome packages and underlying libraries that also evolves...? Nicolas

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Removing Plymouth
by Luciano ES 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

I hate Plymouth as much as I hate KDE4. Whatever pimp-faced form-over-function moron who decided to inflict this crap upon us obviously doesn't use encrypted hard disks. I do, so the damn thing keeps failing and forcing me to boot several times until the damn thing finally boots correctly. I am absolutely sick of it, it has to go. But there is no 'kdm' program installed and there doesn't seem to be any for me to install in Adept Manager either. How am I going to boot into KDE3/Trinity when I finally get rid of Plymouth? TIA -- Luciano ES >>

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Upgrading from KDE4
by Neil Youngman 11 Jan '11

11 Jan '11

I was a happy KDE3 user for years, but recently, as part of upgrading Debian I got KDE4. I've tried GNOME and various other desktop environments, but I didn't find anything I liked. Recently someone debian-users mentioned trinity on and it seems to be the desktop environment I'm looking for. Before I try it out, I would like to know what pitfalls there are in upgrading from KDE4 to Debian. The KDE3->KDE4 transition was a bit messy and I think it's likely that KDE4 has messed up my old KDE3 configuration. Has anyone else done this and what would they advise? Should I start from scratch with a clean configuration or will it be OK to copy my existing configuration? Neil Youngman

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