tde-users January 2011

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Getting Started - HowToBuild - need a bit of help.
by David C. Rankin 21 Jan '11

21 Jan '11

Tim, all, As expressed in my email to Tim, my goal is to build trinity (from svn) for Arch Linux to replace the old Chakra project kdemod3. (which is no longer supported or available) I'm very proficient in Linux, but I SUCK with cmake. It might as well be Greek. I've been through: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/HowToBuild and I've stumbled across the linuxquestions.org thread stating you must remove all existing kde3 installs before building trinity. (Tim this seems to answer my question whether I can do a parallel install of trinity in /opt/trinity and keep my existing /opt/kde) So do I really have to nuke my existing kde3 install prior to building trinity? (assuming yes from the following link) http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/trinity-kde-3-5-12-a-8… This is where I hit my first roadblock. (Issue #1) Arch Linux provides python2-sip and pyqt3, but not pykde. I've downloaded and written an Arch PKGBUILD script to build the PyKDE-3.16.7 package for Arch. (see: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=881478#p881478) However building pykde requires dcopobject.h. Trinity provides: trinity/kdebindings/dcopc/dcopobject.h trinity/kdelibs/dcop/dcopobject.h (of which the kdelibs dcopobject.h looks correct) However, to build pykde, I have to provide reference to the installed kde3 base (-k /opt/kde) to get it to build: python2 configure.py \ -d /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages \ -v /usr/share/sip -k /opt/kde which builds fine, but the linuxquestion.org thread says if you build against the existing 3.5.10 dcopobject.h you will have build failures later on. So what's the trick to get pykde to compile using the dcopobject.h from svn? (Issue #2) How in the heck to I choose QT3 to get tqtinterface to build? I know this is a simple switch issue or environment issue, but I've googled and have just managed to broaden my confusion. This is my cmake shortcoming. When I attempt the build, I get: 11:49 archangel:/tmp/dependencies/tqtinterface> cmake ./ CMake Error at cmake/modules/TDEMacros.cmake:20 (message): ################################################# You must select a Qt version ################################################# Call Stack (most recent call first): CMakeLists.txt:46 (tde_message_fatal) -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred! The error is obvious, I need to tell it which Qt version to use, but obviously I'm too stupid to figure out where or how. Can somebody help a brother out here and help lift the veil of confusion I'm suffering from here? Also, I've started a build script to automate the trinity build after I get the dependencies built. Basically to automate the libtool.m4.in, ltmain.sh and make -f setup and then provide correct ./configure options that --enable-closure when required based on the module name. The the plan is simply to build trinity in the order specified in the HowToBuild from a static list or array. Before I reinvent the wheel, does anything like this exist? Also, the wiki is a bit sparse. If anyone has more detailed notes squirreled away on the build process or how to setup a better build environment/chroot/whatever, if you will make that information available, I'll commit to adding it to the wiki (with proper attribution of course) For anyone interested, I have started the build script and have it functional up to the point of adding the ordered list to build each module. (currently it is just a concept that outputs what it will do without actually doing anything). Basic use is: sh bldtrinity.sh [ path/to/your/trinitysvn path/to/libtool.m4 path/to/ltmain.sh ] my defaults [Arch locations]: trindir=${1:-/home/david/arch/pkg/trinity} syslibtool=${2:-/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4} sysltmain=${3:-/usr/share/libtool/config/ltmain.sh} The beginnings of the script are at: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/scr/bldtrinity.sh I welcome any suggestions or comments. Thanks. I look forward to this project. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

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So that we never have to have this discussion again...
by Robert Xu 20 Jan '11

20 Jan '11

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Re: [trinity-users] Squeeze/Trinity Live CD
by David Hare 18 Jan '11

18 Jan '11

Updated ISO (exelinux_squeeze_trinity_gpl_1.1.iso) is done. The installer should now work properly. New URL : wget -c "http://exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/trinity/exelinux_squeeze_trinity_…" md5sum: wget -c "http://exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/trinity/md5sum_exelinux_squeeze_t…" The patch worked on the old ISO. It will stay in place till the new is tested a bit more.

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tqt compilation problem
by Bartlomiej Zimon 18 Jan '11

18 Jan '11

Hi all! My name is Bartlomiej i'm from PLD Linux distro. I have problems with tqt compilation/instalation. Here is log configure/compile log: http://pld.pastebin.com/ja58wz3c Problem is because there is no tqt.so.x.y.z files only symlinks [cactus@carme-pld qtinterface]$ ls -l .libs/libtqt.* lrwxrwxrwx 1 cactus users 12 01-03 11:05 .libs/libtqt.la -> ../libtqt.la -rw-r--r-- 1 cactus users 1515 01-03 11:05 .libs/libtqt.lai lrwxrwxrwx 1 cactus users 15 01-03 11:05 .libs/libtqt.so -> libtqt.so.4.2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 cactus users 15 01-03 11:05 .libs/libtqt.so.4 -> libtqt.so.4.2.0 [cactus@carme-pld qtinterface]$ when building --with-static it produces libtqt.a archive. any hint? Best regards Bartlomiej Zimon

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Gwenview can not save .tiff file
by Greg Madden 18 Jan '11

18 Jan '11

KDE-Trinity 3.5.12 on Debian Squeeze, running the Trinity desktop. In Gwenview, I can open and view .tiff files. If I rotate, or modify, the image and try to save, I get a ( paraphrase) can not write tiff format error. Is this a tiff support issue in KDE3 or something else? -- Peace, Greg

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Build Environment
by Jay 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

I am using Slackware 13.1 and wondering if anyone has had success compiling trinity in this environment. I have used a chroot environment with no KDE installed at all and also a stripped Slackware (slax) with no KDE and qt3. If using the svn and build scripts i get 'no uic-tqt' errors all the time and nothing gets compiled. If compiling manually i get as far as compiling tqtinterface, arts & kdelibs. I am having no luck compiling kdebase though. So my question is if anyone has had success compiling under slackware 13+ please let me know the best way to compile.

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Trinity Usage Poll
by Timothy Pearson 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

All, The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used on, so that we may focus our efforts on improving compatibility with those distributions. We politely ask that you add your distribution to the informal poll on the Wiki here: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Community/UsageSurvey2011 If your distribution is already listed, please increment the number of users for that distribution by one (1). If more than one individual in your household is using that distribution, please increment the number of users by the number of users in your household. Also, if you use more than one distribution, please increment the number of users appropriately for each distribution in use. The results of this poll will also help the Trinity development team decide which distributions are too old or little-used to be supported in future Trinity release, so please cast your vote if you want to see your distribution supported in the future. Thank you, Timothy Pearson Trinity Desktop Environment Development Team

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Disabling smooth scrolling
by Serghei Amelian 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Hi, Anybody knows how to disable smooth scroll in konqueror and kmail? Is useless and very annoying, I propose to disable smooth scrolling by default. -- Serghei

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[trinity-users] Squeeze/Trinity Live CD
by David Hare 16 Jan '11

16 Jan '11

I have spent some time developing a Squeeze live-cd with Trinity. Why? Because there is nothing out there in the mainstream that I like and I have seen no Squeeze/Trinity live-cd elsewhere yet. It is named Exe Linux as I live beside the Exe Estuary in Devon, England. It might be a good starting point or demonstration for anyone who is interested but is unsure of running Trinity on Squeeze. The result has (to the best of my knowledge) strictly GPL software. Some custom themes, configurations and scripts are included but are debianized, i.e. they can be removed/replaced by apt (for example extra live-config scripts to support Trinity autologin and locale/language) and should not conflict with Squeeze core system components The live cd has an optional integrated installer (hacked remastersys) for HD and a custom CLI script for USB persistent pendrive. It is built "from scratch" using custom scripts, debbootstrap and GNU tools (not live-helper nor remastersys) and is not a "remaster" of anything else. The build scripts are included in the live-cd but are experimental and, misused, could trash a running system. If you want to try a remaster better use remastersys (and please don't request support from remastersys forums because a hacked version is used). Three locales/languages are built-in (US, GB and ES) No more fit the CD without removing one. If there is any interest I would like to make this available to Trinity users, perhaps later in the "community downloads" section. In the meantime the current ISO (685MB) is available here (can paste this in a terminal): wget -c "http://exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/trinity/exelinux_squeeze_trinity_…" md5sum: wget -c "http://exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/trinity/md5sum_exelinux_squeeze_t…" Disclaimer: This is *not* an official Trinity project. There are probably some bugs. There is some scrappy and probably out-of-date documentation. Use at your own risk.

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Re: [trinity-users] Thoughts & wishes about the Trinity project status and its future...
by Timothy Pearson 15 Jan '11

15 Jan '11

> Hi, > I have a few questions about the Trinity project status,(part of them seem to have been partially discussed on the list): > - Is Trinity endorsed in any way by the KDE project (except the share > of sources repository)? Not that I know of. > - Are there original KDE3 developpers involved in Trinity development? > If so, I'd really like to know if they do it because KDE4 broke too much things (and/or they consider a desktop environment should not break things this way)? Only incidentally, in that I pull updates from the kdepim Enterprise branch, which is still maintained by an original KDE3 developer/development team. > - What are the long term perspectives about Trinity? > Will Trinity become something different than KDE3 or it keep it as > close as possible? As close as possible in terms of look and feel, but new features will still be added where they would improve the functionality of the desktop environment (e.g. krandrtray). Users can always disable new features from the control panel, as providing that option is a requirement for patch submission. > I mean, the move from KDE3 to KDE4 changed & broke a lots of things > that I used to work with since 2004. I'd really like a desktop > environment that doesn't change too much, that keeps its basis stable (eg. themes can evolve, apps be improved, but keep it functionally the same!). > By the end, I really think it's a matter of "respect for users": if one changes things like KDE4 did, what do we have to think about respect they have (or don't have) for their users? OK KDE4 is beautiful, etc. but it's deaply another desktop environment (also deeply slow in some particular configurations such as konsole/nvidia ships), so why should I continue to use KDE desktops? I almost think KDE4 should have change its name to something else OR... KDE3 should have been officially > maintained... or Trinity officially endorsed (is that the case?)! KDE won't change its name, but KDE3 has changed its name to Trinity. So, KDE3 == Trinity, KDE == KDE4, but KDE3 != KDE4. > So, what's going on? > Thank you, > Nicolas > PS: Do you have an idea about the approximate number of Trinity users? It seems this list is always growing... Not sure! I know we had 3000+ downloads of the Maverick Desktop LiveCD from one mirror alone last month, but the actual user number may be much higher. Hope this helps! Tim

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