tde-users October 2015

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Urgent money needed
by Lisi Reisz 15 Oct '15

15 Oct '15

I am probably not the best person to say this in terms of anyone listening, but perhaps the best person in view of being the one who was complaining. TDE is in urgent need of $1000.00 to keep the master server running. Its CPU is failing/has failed. I don't know the details, but Tim would no doubt supply them. If 20 people each gave £50 etc., but we all know that they won't. I can't say "it is just the cost of $WHATEVER" because i don't know US prices. For me it is the train ticket to London that I didn't have to buy at the end of September because the hospital cancelled the appointment. Come on! What have you not had to pay for/could easily forego? Do you really need two cups of coffee every morning, or a tub of icecream for lunch every day?? Perhaps now is the time to give up cigarettes? ;-) TDE can't run without servers. Of course, if someone has a top-notch server he or she is dying to donate, I am sure that Tim wouldn't say no. ;-) Lisi

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desktop-base-trinity
by Michael . 09 Oct '15

09 Oct '15

What is the difference between desktop-base (Debian's deb) and desktop-base-trinity (Trinity's deb). I did a Trinity install, over and above another DE, for a friend the other day so he could see what Trinity was and I noticed it wanted to remove desktop-base and install desktop-base-trinity instead. I didn't allow it to install desktop-base trinity and everything is working fine so I was wondering what is the need for it. Cheers. Michael.

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cheese like program in TDE?
by Gene Heskett 09 Oct '15

09 Oct '15

Greetings all; I just bought some webcams, and the std viewer for a webcam has been cheese for quite a while now. But its not part of TDE, and when I had apt-get install it, it pulled in about 23 more megabytes worth of dependencies. Didn't help, it still segfaults. So I hauled the camera to one of my milling machines, also running wheezy, installed cheese, and it Just Worked(TM). But here? No way: ===================== gene@coyote:~/Pictures/pix$ cheese (cheese:10552): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to add a widget with type GtkImage to a GtkToggleButton, but as a GtkBin subclass a GtkToggleButton can only contain one widget at a time; it already contains a widget of type GtkLabel (cheese:10552): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to add a widget with type GtkImage to a GtkToggleButton, but as a GtkBin subclass a GtkToggleButton can only contain one widget at a time; it already contains a widget of type GtkLabel (cheese:10552): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to add a widget with type GtkImage to a GtkToggleButton, but as a GtkBin subclass a GtkToggleButton can only contain one widget at a time; it already contains a widget of type GtkLabel (cheese:10552): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to add a widget with type GtkImage to a GtkButton, but as a GtkBin subclass a GtkButton can only contain one widget at a time; it already contains a widget of type GtkLabel (cheese:10552): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to add a widget with type GtkGrid to a GtkToggleButton, but as a GtkBin subclass a GtkToggleButton can only contain one widget at a time; it already contains a widget of type GtkLabel (cheese:10552): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to add a widget with type GtkImage to a GtkButton, but as a GtkBin subclass a GtkButton can only contain one widget at a time; it already contains a widget of type GtkLabel ** (cheese:10552): CRITICAL **: cheese_camera_device_get_uuid: assertion `CHEESE_IS_CAMERA_DEVICE (device)' failed Segmentation fault ======================== Does anyone know of a TDE viewer that just works for a webcam? Thanks. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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Master server status
by Timothy Pearson 08 Oct '15

08 Oct '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA224 All, As Lisi alluded to earlier the TDE master server is continuing to experience issues causing sporadic service outages. I believe I have traced this fault to a defective CPU package; this is the first time in well over a decade that I have actually seen a defective CPU, but the certainty of the diagnosis has grown sufficiently that I have ordered a replacement. I have dsabled some secondary services to try to reduce overall system load in the hopes that this will stabilize the remaining services until the replacement parts arrive. You can follow along on the status of the repairs at this page (when available): https://trinitydesktop.org/servicealerts/ Technical details: The TDE project makes heavy use of a rather beefy server containing G34 Opteron processors (i.e. in the $1,000 USD range _per CPU package_). I started to see various MCEs (not related to DRAM) and, much more commonly, lockups several weeks ago but assumed it was a power stability issue. Unfortunately, even after swapping the PSUs the lockups are obviously continuing, and becoming more frequent. My best guess is that this particular processor has developed a somewhat unstable L2 / L3 cache; the MCEs that I did log were similar to this: [Hardware Error]: MC2 Error: VB Data ECC or parity error. [Hardware Error]: Error Status: Corrected error, no action required. [Hardware Error]: CPU:6 (15:2:0) MC2_STATUS[Over|CE|MiscV|-|-|-|-|CECC]: [Hardware Error]: cache level: L2, tx: DATA, mem-tx: EV While it would be possible to completely shut down QuickBuild (thus taking much of the load off of the affected servers) I believe this would be detrimental to the long term existence of the project. In particular, we would lose all tinderboxing; I would effectively need to pick a specific version of Debian, make sure that a specific release of TDE works on that, and ignore all the rest. Also, the release interval would jump back up into the multi-year range due to the difficulty involved in manually assembling all of the requisite repository files. There are other somewhat obvious drawbacks as well, but just those two alone would probably kill the project. I also don't reasonably see how QuickBuild's services can be replaced by anything free in the cloud. The built TDE packages occupy several hundred gigabytes of disk space, and can easily hog dozens of build machines on multiple architectures. A long time ago (back when TDE only supported a couple of Ubuntu versions) I used the free Launchpad build service, but this project rapidly outgrew that service. It rather impedes development to have your rebuild take months to work through the public build queue... So, to summarize: QuickBuild requires powerful servers, lots of power, and loads of disk space. It is also somewhat essential to TDE's somewhat rapid release schedule, serving as a QA check and release management platform. Unfortunately that means the annual cost to run the TDE services is very high, and I don't always have the funding to eliminate all sources of downtime. Thank you to those few that have donated over the years; it has helped in a small way to keep TDE alive. As Lisi said, if everyone donated annually a relatively small amount there would be no real financial concerns and both I and Slavek would have more time to actually work on the reason we are all here -- TDE itself! Thank you, Timothy Pearson Trinity Desktop Project -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iFYEARELAAYFAlYWmYIACgkQLaxZSoRZrGGJbQDcC8KVpjjkTdNHpcq/KgrzkmsH si5WcIKxViAu6gDfXM2h1ufBHtIlp3Yi7jH7xISsY0CFQhDpMTw2NA== =3ddI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Slávek's repository
by Lisi Reisz 08 Oct '15

08 Oct '15

I have just tried to install TDE, but have been told that Slávek's repository is not accessible. ??? I'll try Tim's for now. Lisi

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kmail, imap, ssl issue
by Greg Madden 08 Oct '15

08 Oct '15

Trying to setup a clients new email. The new client is imap, user/passwd and ssl port 993 recieving and 465 sending mails. The sending works fine, the receiving says it is checking account xxx for new mail but that is far as it goes. No error messages popup. Never used ssl/tls before do not know where to look for error mressages. Searched the trinity user archives, not much mention of imap/ssl. Thanks -- Greg M

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The updated web-site
by Lisi Reisz 07 Oct '15

07 Oct '15

I have just been looking at the updated Debian Trinity Repository Installation Instructions page. At the risk of being castigated for my over-enthusiastic vocabulary, it is great!!! Super!!! No doubt all the other pages are super too, but I am willing to take that on trust, if one is, and go to bed. Thank you, Tim. Lisi

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TDE service upgrades
by Timothy Pearson 07 Oct '15

07 Oct '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA224 All, This is just a quick heads-up to let you know the TDE services will be going down briefly while I diagnose and fix some lingering performance issues. Estimated service restoration is 10/07/2015 20:00 UTC. Thank you for your patience, Tim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iFYEARELAAYFAlYVX3sACgkQLaxZSoRZrGHHyQDbBwJI1KoyZgrM1DMwetbBgM2r 4+Sl+JZF8/T0FADgyqfaOLs8Bal9SvSGlA0R8th2HcunDdWXSJdyzw== =GW5T -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Opening encrypted USB disk
by Curt Howland 07 Oct '15

07 Oct '15

Well, this is interesting. It looks like Debian's new version is more than just systemd. Trinity v14.0.2 Debian 8 When I plug in an encrypted USB disk, the password window opens as it always did, but now it's complaining about HAL not existing. When I tried to open it through the Konqueror device view, it also failed. Attached are two screen grabs of the failures. I'm not asking for this to be "fixed" in TDE, it seems that the underlying hardware abstraction has changed in some fundamental way. HAL isn't even in the repository for Debian 8. I expect someone will get around to harmonizing this at some point, I'm sure I'm not the only person who has encrypted external disks that used to work seamlessly. The more things change..... Curt- -- The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom is courage. - Thucydides

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TDE Powersave "Freeze"
by Thierry de Coulon 04 Oct '15

04 Oct '15

Hello all, On my test Ubuntu install on a Thinkpad, TDEPowersave offers "Suspend to RAM" and "Freeze". The first works well and I understand what it does (I get the small "moon crescent" glowing. However, I dont really understand what "Freeze" is supposed to be. It seems it turns the screen, harddisc and WiFi off but Bluetooth stays on... and I don't know what else. Thierry

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