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Trying to unsubscribe
by joegum＠joegum.com 15 Dec '18

15 Dec '18

I'm sorry for posting this to the list. I have been trying to unsubscribe for about a month with no luck. The emails were directed to the unsubscribe address provided. The word unsubscribe was included in both the Subject and Body of the emails. Is there some other way to unsubscribe?

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trinitydesktop.org down?
by Michael 15 Dec '18

15 Dec '18

I'm getting: Error 503 Service Unavailable Apache/2.4.25 (Debian) Server at www.trinitydesktop.org Port 80 Is Timothy okay? Best, Michael

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: New Thread: USB Hard drive not being recognized after first plug out.
by Kate Draven 12 Dec '18

12 Dec '18

> On Tuesday 11 December 2018 18:12:00 Kate Draven wrote: > > > > Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > If you are a "luck" person and you run Windooz10, then you find > > > > that this multi gadget protocol is broken since ~ 1 year ... hail > > > > progress! > > > > > > don't know why corp is doing windows - I think it is pure burning of > > > money ... I got one v10 few months ago and it is still laying on my > > > desk unused. > > > But I have no idea how this is working with cameras there. The corp > > > is paying for it to stay there on the desk and do some work. It is > > > doing it more or less good on its own. I alaways have to repeat > > > myself what Linuz Torvald said about it - something like a very good > > > company, but the problem is they make crappy software. > > > So ... times go by and some things never change - amazing. > > > > > > > At least on *nix you can fix stuff like this, even when redhat > > > > tries hard to break it. > > > > > > Well for the Windows, you have the windows admin - a person that > > > should be admired for the skill to support "crappy software" :) and > > > keep the universe in balance :) > > > Honestly ... no idea how those guys have the patience. I had to > > > factory restore one PC lately for a friend, because it got unusable > > > after 6y of use ... I think it took 8h or more to install all the > > > updates or at least to try to ... with numerous reboots in between. > > > I have not done this for years and it was impressive experience. In > > > the mean time I could do a lot of work on the linux PC that was > > > installed 15y ago. Amazing! > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- > > > > Cheers Doc & deloptes, well observed, well said. > > > > Several mates went out of business supporting Vista, > > Now, a few more are close to closing because of win10. > > > > All I get at the shop are people bring in there machines to have data > > recovered after win8/10 died during an update (not so much win7). > > > > I don't know how MS stays in business. > > > > The os on this laptop, that I'm writing this email on, will be retired > > soon for Alistair Izzard's big daddy roll of PCLOS 64bit. Thank you > > very much Ali and to all. > > > > The OS is Ark Linux 2008. It's more than 10 years old and it has > > served me well, great infact. It took 7 years to find a replacement. > > > > Any linux, even a bad one, is always better than the best windows > > edition (or OSX but not to the same shocking degree). > > > > > > Kate > > > > > Very well said Kate. Theres a reason I don't allow a windows box to keep > its windows install more than a day or so, any longer and my patience > gets exchanged for a 16 lb maul to put its hard drive out of its misery. > Or a linux dvd gets put in along with a $40 60 gig SSD, getting a > machine thats obviously faster, and its by by windows, it has not been > good knowing you. Life for me at least, is not long enough to put up > with that crappy software. > > FWIW, I ran PCLOS for a while, but if what you need is not in the repo, > forget about asking for it. Just a warning, but thats why I had to bail > to Debian. I can usually get what I need. They, like others are short of > man power, but I've not been told to go pound sand either. > > Take care Kate. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Gene! It's likely your problem with pclos was it was 32bit. pclos doesn't support 32bit anymore, not for a long time. I think since 2015 or 16. I have me test machines, data recovery machines, laptops and server all running Ali's Big Daddy rolls. It works great. The only thing I don't like and it happens TDE under any distro. It's the constant reloading of the gui when I install software. I don't understand why it does that. Bug? Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: New Thread: USB Hard drive not being recognized after first plug out.
by Kate Draven 12 Dec '18

12 Dec '18

> On Wednesday 12 December 2018 02:09:26 Kate Draven wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 11 December 2018 18:12:00 Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > > > If you are a "luck" person and you run Windooz10, then you > > > > > > find that this multi gadget protocol is broken since ~ 1 year > > > > > > ... hail progress! > > > > > > > > > > don't know why corp is doing windows - I think it is pure > > > > > burning of money ... I got one v10 few months ago and it is > > > > > still laying on my desk unused. > > > > > But I have no idea how this is working with cameras there. The > > > > > corp is paying for it to stay there on the desk and do some > > > > > work. It is doing it more or less good on its own. I alaways > > > > > have to repeat myself what Linuz Torvald said about it - > > > > > something like a very good company, but the problem is they make > > > > > crappy software. > > > > > So ... times go by and some things never change - amazing. > > > > > > > > > > > At least on *nix you can fix stuff like this, even when redhat > > > > > > tries hard to break it. > > > > > > > > > > Well for the Windows, you have the windows admin - a person that > > > > > should be admired for the skill to support "crappy software" :) > > > > > and keep the universe in balance :) > > > > > Honestly ... no idea how those guys have the patience. I had to > > > > > factory restore one PC lately for a friend, because it got > > > > > unusable after 6y of use ... I think it took 8h or more to > > > > > install all the updates or at least to try to ... with numerous > > > > > reboots in between. I have not done this for years and it was > > > > > impressive experience. In the mean time I could do a lot of work > > > > > on the linux PC that was installed 15y ago. Amazing! > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >---- - > > > > > > > > Cheers Doc & deloptes, well observed, well said. > > > > > > > > Several mates went out of business supporting Vista, > > > > Now, a few more are close to closing because of win10. > > > > > > > > All I get at the shop are people bring in there machines to have > > > > data recovered after win8/10 died during an update (not so much > > > > win7). > > > > > > > > I don't know how MS stays in business. > > > > > > > > The os on this laptop, that I'm writing this email on, will be > > > > retired soon for Alistair Izzard's big daddy roll of PCLOS 64bit. > > > > Thank you very much Ali and to all. > > > > > > > > The OS is Ark Linux 2008. It's more than 10 years old and it has > > > > served me well, great infact. It took 7 years to find a > > > > replacement. > > > > > > > > Any linux, even a bad one, is always better than the best windows > > > > edition (or OSX but not to the same shocking degree). > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > Very well said Kate. Theres a reason I don't allow a windows box to > > > keep its windows install more than a day or so, any longer and my > > > patience gets exchanged for a 16 lb maul to put its hard drive out > > > of its misery. Or a linux dvd gets put in along with a $40 60 gig > > > SSD, getting a machine thats obviously faster, and its by by > > > windows, it has not been good knowing you. Life for me at least, is > > > not long enough to put up with that crappy software. > > > > > > FWIW, I ran PCLOS for a while, but if what you need is not in the > > > repo, forget about asking for it. Just a warning, but thats why I > > > had to bail to Debian. I can usually get what I need. They, like > > > others are short of man power, but I've not been told to go pound > > > sand either. > > > > > > Take care Kate. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >--- > > > > Hi Gene! > > > > It's likely your problem with pclos was it was 32bit. > > pclos doesn't support 32bit anymore, not for a long time. > > I think since 2015 or 16. > > > > I have me test machines, data recovery machines, laptops and server > > all running Ali's Big Daddy rolls. It works great. > > > > The only thing I don't like and it happens TDE under any distro. It's > > the constant reloading of the gui when I install software. I don't > > understand why it does that. Bug? > > > > Kate > > > No clue my dear girl Kate. Best I could do would still be a WAG. I do > expect it to reformulate the gui's menu's, but the sort does fail > occasionally. And it should force a reboot when libs are being > replaced, that bit me 4 days back, crash/locked this machine and the > machine I was logged into working on some gcode, had to dress and hit > the shop building in 20F weather to reboot that one too, else amanda > would have pestered be because it couldn't do the backup. Like Jackie > Gleason was fond of saying, what a revoltin development that was. ;-) > > Take care Kate. > > -- > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- That sounded like a big mess. Kate PS I LOVE the Honeymooners. It's more popular now that then. Of course with nothing but rubbish on the telli....

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: Re: New Thread: USB Hard drive not being recognized after first plug out.
by Kate Draven 12 Dec '18

12 Dec '18

> Am Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2018 schrieb deloptes: > > Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > I don't know how MS stays in business. > > > > Bribery at gov/corp level and stupidity at user level > > +1 > > And the old "wisdom" of users: "it only can get worse if i change something" > > > > -- Oh bloody hell! Talk about dropping the mic hard.. twice! Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: Unable to mount this device error when using usb stick but not always
by Baron 12 Dec '18

12 Dec '18

Hi Guys, On Wednesday 05 December 2018 23:35:57 deloptes wrote: > Kate Draven wrote: > > I do have several computers in me wee lab. The sticks are all > > fine, mount and umount on all other computers, including another > > pclos 64 with the same kernels. At first I thought it was a > > kernel bug, wrong. > > > > I can only guess I'm installing something that messes it up. > > > > I reinstalled the OS into the test computer and incrementally > > installing packages until I find the culprit. > > mounting was udev job - no ? or at least to notify the system that > there is something attached to it and what exactly it is. Probably nothing to do with this problem, but anyway: If I have a HDD connected via a USB adaptor, I've found that after an initial plugging and use, then safely removing it, going back to it, in the same session, it may or may not be recognised. Doing a hard reboot seems to clear what ever causes this. Simply logging out and logging back in doesn't seem to work. -- Best Regards: Baron

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: New Thread: USB Hard drive not being recognized after first plug out.
by Kate Draven 12 Dec '18

12 Dec '18

> Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > If you are a "luck" person and you run Windooz10, then you find that this > > multi gadget protocol is broken since ~ 1 year ... hail progress! > > > > don't know why corp is doing windows - I think it is pure burning of > money ... I got one v10 few months ago and it is still laying on my desk > unused. > But I have no idea how this is working with cameras there. The corp is > paying for it to stay there on the desk and do some work. It is doing it > more or less good on its own. I alaways have to repeat myself what Linuz > Torvald said about it - something like a very good company, but the problem > is they make crappy software. > So ... times go by and some things never change - amazing. > > > At least on *nix you can fix stuff like this, even when redhat tries hard > > to break it. > > Well for the Windows, you have the windows admin - a person that should be > admired for the skill to support "crappy software" :) and keep the universe > in balance :) > Honestly ... no idea how those guys have the patience. I had to factory > restore one PC lately for a friend, because it got unusable after 6y of > use ... I think it took 8h or more to install all the updates or at least > to try to ... with numerous reboots in between. I have not done this for > years and it was impressive experience. In the mean time I could do a lot > of work on the linux PC that was installed 15y ago. Amazing! > > regards > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers Doc & deloptes, well observed, well said. Several mates went out of business supporting Vista, Now, a few more are close to closing because of win10. All I get at the shop are people bring in there machines to have data recovered after win8/10 died during an update (not so much win7). I don't know how MS stays in business. The os on this laptop, that I'm writing this email on, will be retired soon for Alistair Izzard's big daddy roll of PCLOS 64bit. Thank you very much Ali and to all. The OS is Ark Linux 2008. It's more than 10 years old and it has served me well, great infact. It took 7 years to find a replacement. Any linux, even a bad one, is always better than the best windows edition (or OSX but not to the same shocking degree). Kate >

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and one thing more
by dep 10 Dec '18

10 Dec '18

when i try to start firefox: dep@dep-desktop:~$ firefox (firefox:2619): Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 2627 ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal... (crashreporter:2632): Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported again, nothing changed in either software or configuration. this is very, very weird. -- dep Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

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Re: [trinity-users] more post-Stretch issues: menus in Firefox, OO and in Pan
by Kate Draven 09 Dec '18

09 Dec '18

> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, Kate Draven wrote: > > > On Sunday 09 December 2018, Felmon Davis wrote: > >> folks, > >> > >> the OpenOffice problem is not fixed (menu items invisible except with > >> mouse-over). one rabbit-hole at a time. > >> > >> f. > > > > Are you running the latest version of Openoffice. > > It seems to be a shared bug between Libreoffice (which was resolved) and OO. > > Apparently their theme engine is messed. > > > > See if there's an update to OO. > > so here's the present state: > > (a) Openoffice updated. no joy. notice also the drop box menus don't > have clear borders. > > (b) had a problems with firefox: black background on toolbar items and > drop-down menus only appearing with mouse hover-over; fixed with a > work-around Slavek proposed some time ago: "create a symlink for files > from /usr/lib/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/theming-engines/ to > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/theming-engines/" > > (c) so now new issues with Pan. I can't use KDE_Classic since that > gives Pan's top toolbar a black background and squeezes all the icons > too close together. changing to Plastik fixes some of this though > the text runs together and also no distinct borders. > > SUMMARY: > > so: text squeezed together in Pan 9.141; no borders on toolbar menus > in Pan and Openoffice 4.1.6; menu items only visible by mouse-over in > OpenOffice. > > I figure this requires more deep-dives into GTK but not sure where to > start. wonder about further hares to chase. > > I'd like to use KDE_Classic theme but I am forced to Plastik or > Redmond (seems best actually). GTK2 and GTK3 Styles set to "my TDE > style". > > f. > > -- > Felmon Davis > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Most of the stuff you've mentioned I've experienced. I have to get home to me pclos trinity computer and check settings. I'll post them when I do. Check your theme packages. Something is missing or improperly set. The black backgrounds and the like on FF was something I had too. Checked themes on kcontrol and fix it. More later... Good luck lad, Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] ugly VLC after Stretch
by Kate Draven 09 Dec '18

09 Dec '18

> a new wrinkle - hadn't noticed but the menu options in OpenOffice are > now only visible if you pass the mouse cursor over them. > > weird. > > the laptop is an ASUS UX305F. > > no such problems until Stretch. of course, I may have mangled the > update somehow. > > tried a reboot also. this thing usually runs 24/7. > > f. > > > -- > Felmon Davis > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Felmon I've experience that before. It's a theming problem. Change your gtk settings on kcontrol until you find one that works and that you like. Install gtk theme to use. For gtk2, I use qtcurve. You need to install both tde and kde versions. For gtk3, I use default or adwaita. For fonts I use tde fonts. Good luck, let me know if this helps. Kate

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