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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Sunday 17 June 2018 07:17:54 Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 09:46:34 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder: > > > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 06:05:04 Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > > > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 14.18:43 William Morder wrote: > > > > > > Every time I use the new KDE Plasma, I get so frustrated that I > > > > > > want to break something. The same goes for whenever I have to > > > > > > use other people's computers, especially if they run Windoze or > > > > > > the rotten Apple; and it's even worse when I have to use a > > > > > > public computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing that worries me is that I am becoming my own > > > > > > island, which is maybe not so good. I am thinking maybe of > > > > > > running a virtual box inside my Linux machine, in which I can > > > > > > run Windoze or the rotten Apple or some other Linux OS, just to > > > > > > keep up a little with changes that are going on "out there". > > > > > > > > > > I could have written this, or most of it. I don't know if it helps > > > > > knowing you're not alone... > > > > > > > > > > Thierry > > > > > > > > The Trinity users list is becoming my entire social life. I also > > > > wonder if maybe this is not healthy. On the other hand, fewer and > > > > fewer people "out there" seem to be really sane; and when I must use > > > > their computers, this worries me even more. > > > > > > > > When I was mostly offline for a few days, trying to migrate from > > > > Debian to Devuan, I got 44 emails, of which 43 were from the TDE > > > > mailing list. > > > > > > > > Tomorrow, at any rate, I shall try to make it downstairs, past the > > > > front desk, beyond the ice machine, and to go outdoors, maybe even > > > > as far as the library and the farmers market. Also, I need coffee. > > > > > > Probably the caffein withdrawal is what makes real trouble :-) (just > > > conted: 4 kg coffee left *phiew*) > > > > Must be more than one container then. On this side of the pond, a 3 lb > > can is a big one, I get nervous when I am down to the last can. For use, > > that can gets dumped into a smaller plastic can with a handle that works > > much better for filling the Mr. Coffee for another 12 cups of Gods > > Blessing. > > > > I've been known to have 4 of the big cans on top of the fridge, buying it > > when its on sale at under 7 dollars a can. Wouldn't want to run out > > between sales now would we? > > > > > Nik > > I, too, shop for the sales, but nowadays I am a coffee snob (thanks to a > former girlfriend, since about 30 years ago now). I spend at least $30-40 > every month on the stuff. But I only like it strong and black, so at least I > save money by not needing to adulterate the elixir of enlightenment with > cream and sugar, etc. > > It's rather an expensive habit, and probably qualifies as an addiction, but > then as I get older, I have fewer and fewer dependable pleasures, so by that > measure it's cheap. It also goes well with reading, and a good book is a > friend for life. > > Bill > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Spoken like a true junkie... I mean connoisseur. Aye, that's it... connoisseur. 0_o Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> But you forgot mc, Kate, and its still the best after all these years. > Konqueror is a wannabe, and krusader is so limited its not worth its > storage space on spinning rust. Oh I didn't forget MC, but it's a "CLI" file manager (and a mighty one), but not a graphical one. I disagree with Konqueror being a wannabe. It's a fantastic tool with infinite uses. You just have to know how to use it. Krusader is a great one too, again, if you know how to use it. For me, for example, Krusader an archiving tool. Target on one side, source on another and it tests the archives for me. Been using it for years. Then using Luckybackup for the rest. In 20 years. I have NEVER lost data. That's also partly because I have it down to a science and do them every night. The first times, is always the hardest and most time consuming. I will say this about MC. It is a life saver. In the end, I have to agree, it is the most powerful tool of all under fire. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On 2018-06-18 20:46:25 dep wrote: > > said Kate Draven: > > | Oh I didn't forget MC, but it's a "CLI" file manager (and a mighty one), > > | but not a graphical one. > > | > > | I disagree with Konqueror being a wannabe. It's a fantastic tool with > > | infinite uses. You just have to know how to use it. Krusader is a great > > | one too, again, if you know how to use it. > > > > and i think that both are necessary. the very first thing i install in a > > new linux setup is midnight commander -- the height of achievement by > > miguel de icaza, who in his declining career first invented gnome then > > went to work for msft. (a nice guy, though -- i interviewed him in boston > > when he was still doing ximian.) mc will get you out of all kinds of > > trouble. and "sudo mc" in a terminal is maybe the most practical desktop > > shortcut to a world of things. > > > > and for regular file management from the desktop, nothing touches > > konqueror. > > Well, I've found that Konqueror Very Often misrenders modern websites, but > IMO it's probably the best all-around file manager I've used; very flexible > due to splittable panes, kio slaves, etc. > I do miss KDE's Image View, which I think is better than the one in Trinity's > Konqueror, but otherwise, Konqueror rocks as a file manager. > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh what differences have you experienced with the image view function? Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On 2018-06-18 19:41:17 Kate Draven wrote: > > The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the "Deity" of the "religion" known as "The > > Pastafarians". > > > > More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster > > > > The Line "Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti > > again!" is just me. > > > > All hail TFSM creator of chocolate. > > Ooooh! Chocolate pasta?! > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh you naughty devil! Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Monday 18 June 2018 01:03:29 Kate Draven wrote: > > > We all know it's the Flying Spaghetti Monster that created all things! > > Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti again! > > > > Kate > > Chuckle. It's been ages since I've heard that phrase. I have 50 yo kids > that have never heard it. And my memory is fading, what song or tv show > originated that? Seems like it must have been a song, circa 1970 or so. > Or was that the one about the one-eyed, flying purple people eater? > > -- The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the "Deity" of the "religion" known as "The Pastafarians". More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster The Line "Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti again!" is just me. All hail TFSM creator of chocolate. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: qtcurve
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> Kate Draven wrote: > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > this is qt4 or qt5 - in this case you need to install the dependencies and I > don't think you should mess with kwin anyway. > > perhaps qt5 is better choice, but qt4 is coexisting in debian stretch with > trinity and I think there were some integration efforts from TDE team. > However qt5 is replacing qt4, so for the future it is the path to follow. > > best would be to port it to qt3 (if possible) > > regards > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ok so changing 'kde" to 'tde" and kwin to 'twin" isn't going to help. There's a more to it than I'm seeing aye? Thanks to all, Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 18 Jun '18

18 Jun '18

> On Wednesday 13 June 2018 10:00:41 deloptes wrote: > > Kate Draven wrote: > > > Platypus, an impossible creature. > > > Many said TDE would be dead within a year. > > > Now, it's gaining ground to the point, I think, that some are nervous. > > > > And many swore new KDE will work with just few upgrades - it was 10y ago. > > G. time flies by! > > > > cheers > > > > In the course of my several attempts to migrate from Debian to Devuan, and > maybe upgrade to either Stretch or Ascii, I discovered that the new KDE > Plasma completely deleted all my personal settings. Even after I reinstalled, > it took a while to get my KDE desktop looking and behaving right; which in > any case, is never very good. > > I like to keep another desktop on my system, so that I can always boot up into > the other desktop, if I am having problems specific to TDE. I think LXDE > works better than KDE, but KDE has programs that are sometimes more > compatible with TDE. > > Every time I use the new KDE Plasma, I get so frustrated that I want to break > something. The same goes for whenever I have to use other people's computers, > especially if they run Windoze or the rotten Apple; and it's even worse when > I have to use a public computer. > > The only thing that worries me is that I am becoming my own island, which is > maybe not so good. I am thinking maybe of running a virtual box inside my > Linux machine, in which I can run Windoze or the rotten Apple or some other > Linux OS, just to keep up a little with changes that are going on "out > there". > > Thank the Goddess for TDE! I believe I would have given up on computers > altogether, if not for Trinity. > > Bill > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill, I know EXACTLY how you feel. I have to work with crackmonkey clients. Both itblows and snapple. They keep saying how there's SO much more software for them and yet none of it is useful. Just games. Useless file managers (all hail Konqueror, which is aptly named) and the CLI (via konsole). I do like to run different distros but I only use one for work. Currently Ark Linux 2008 and Ali's BigDaddy. I'm hoping to retire Ark for BigDaddy or Slackware if and when TDE makes it there. I hope to gain enough skill to do it meself. Cheers and happy father's day to all, Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 18 Jun '18

18 Jun '18

> Gene Heskett composed on 2018-06-10 23:25 (UTC-0400): > > William Morder wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> William Morder wrote: > >>>> I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > >>>> where dinosaurs still roam the earth. > > >> > They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :) > > >> I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like > >> pheasant? > > > I'd have to say that mere mortals like us will never know. Ostrich > > maybe?, its pretty ancient. > > > Evolution has changed almost everything on this planet in the last 70 > > million years, including us. > "Evolution" as taught in public schools and universities is 6/7 religion, 1/7 > science. http://www.ep.tc/problems/59/ is a relatively short 1974 comic that > explains without fractions. > > Evolution as taught has 7 meanings, only one of which is proven science. The > rest is entirely based on faith in various theories that have not been and > almost certainly will not ever be proven. More at http://www.icr.org/ and elsewhere. > -- > "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you > get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- We all know it's the Flying Spaghetti Monster that created all things! Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti again! Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 18 Jun '18

18 Jun '18

> On Monday 18 of June 2018 00:52:31 gregory guy wrote: > > > I'm hoping to retire Ark for BigDaddy or > > > Slackware if and when TDE makes it there. I hope to > > > gain enough skill to do it meself. > > > > I doubt that TDE will ever make an official entry in Slackware > > nonetheless some people have made build scripts or even packages. > > Here are some: > > > > - http://www.giustetti.net/wiki/index.php?title=3DTDE_introduction > > - https://sourceforge.net/projects/tde-slackware > > - https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds > > - http://www.inpito.org/trinity.php > > > > I do have my own scripts but everything is installed > > in /usr/{bin,lib64} and I don't know if they conflict with KDE (which > > is not installed...) > > > > cheers. > > @+ > > > > Tde-slackbuilds by Ray Vine (previously Thorn Inurcide) seem to be best=20 > maintained. This was the reason why I made a mirror to Gitea: > > https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/SlavekB/tde-packaging-slackware > > Cheers > =2D-=20 > Sl=E1vek > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you Slávek. As always, thanks for the help to you and all. Kate

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KMail migration to another computer
by Glen Cunningham 17 Jun '18

17 Jun '18

G'day All Trinity Gurus, I am currently running KMail on a very old KDE/Trinity installation. /etc/issue shows "Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS" which needs to be pensioned off immediately. I have installed tde-14.0.4-ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso onto a newer computer. The installation seems OK and I managed to transfer the mozilla bookmarks to the new computer but getting KMail across has me stumped. Googling did not produce anything useful. :-((( On this old computer the KMail info seems to be stored in /home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail but the new installation seems to have a very different directory structure. So, can the KMail settings and emails be copied to the newer computer? If anyone knows how, please let me know in GOF-speak (that is words of 2-syllables or less). Ta, Glen

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