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Loading Trinity without internet (Debian)
by jc 19 Feb '12

19 Feb '12

Have to load Trinity on a new machine with Debian 6, with internet - no problems. Also have to update some machines running deb 5 KDE where there is no internet and have a identical machine with internet access. Update no problems (reload with wad of DVD's), not sure how to load Trinity My linux/unix knowledge is not good although have used linux as a prime desktop for 12 years but with not much debian experience. Only idea at present is to run apt-get -d install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity >tdeload. followed by /var/cache/apt/archives to a DVD then - on another machine to HD at /var/cache/apt/archives EITHER put /var/cache/apt/archives in sources.list apt-get -install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity OR cd /var/cache/apt/archives dpkg -i desktop-base-trinity dpkg -i kde-trinity OR redo tdeload. as script, in order, for dpkg There is probably a better/easier method which I haven't thought of and don't want to find problems which involve satphones ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ worse than that seattle mob) -- regards John Campbell

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no sensors in ksysguard 3.5.13
by leee 19 Feb '12

19 Feb '12

One of the problems I experienced when I tried V3.5.13 was that ksysguard was no longer detecting the lm-sensors output. Has anyone else experienced the same problem, or conversely, are people that are using 3.5.13 finding that ksysguard _is_ detecting the hardware sensors on their systems? Regards, LeeE

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kopete unable to load plugins/protocols
by Serghei Amelian 19 Feb '12

19 Feb '12

Hi Tim, I build kopete from git, protocols and plugins are built too, but kopete cannot see any of them. Any recent changes can be the reason for this? -- Serghei.

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kdm-trinity (V3.5.12) timing out before X starts
by leee 17 Feb '12

17 Feb '12

Hi, I'm frequently experiencing a problem with kdm-trinity (V3.5.12) appearing to time out on system start-up. The following two lines are put into my syslog when this happens: kdm[1966]: X server startup timeout, terminating kdm[1966]: X server for display :0 can't be started, session disabled This is an intermittant problem and doesn't happen every time I start my system (I'd guess it occurs about 50% of the time). When it does I'm left with just the basic console. However, all I need to do to get X up and running is to log in on the console and restart kdm-trinity. The system is running Debian Squeeze on amd64 with an nVidia graphics card using the proprietary nVidia driver. Curiously, I don't recall this happening when I first installed TDE V3.5.12, which was quite some time ago now and it only seems to have started occurring relatively recently. Since I first installed Trinity V3.5.12 I have installed a number of Debian Squeeze updates but in addition to this I also tried upgrading to TDE V3.5.13 but then had to downgrade back to TDE V3.5.12 due to a couple of problems with V3.5.13. As I didn't remove TDE V3.5.13 and all of its config files when I downgraded back to TDE V3.5.12 I imagine that it's possible that kdm-trinity V3.5.13 introduced some different configuration settings. Alternatively, there have been a couple of kernel updates during this period (I compile my own kernels from the Debian linux-source package and then need to recompile the nVidia driver to fit the new kernel. The kernel updates have all been minor point updates so the kernel configs have been unchanged over the period concerned) and this may be a factor. Fwiw, the syslog messages from kdm-trinity appear about 15 seconds after the nVidia module load message. I've also had a look in the Xorg.log files and while there are no clear errors or warnings there are differences at the end of the logs between successful and unsuccessful start ups as shown below... Unsuccessful startup: (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105" (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb" (II) Power Button: Close (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" (II) Power Button: Close (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" (II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Close (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" (II) ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse: Close (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" (II) ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device: Close (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" Successful startup: (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105" (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb" (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket) (II) Feb 15 11:52:58 NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1920x1200+0+0" (II) Power Button: Device reopened after 1 attempts. (II) Power Button: Device reopened after 1 attempts. (II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device reopened after 1 attempts. (II) ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse: Device reopened after 1 attempts. (II) ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device: Device reopened after 1 attempts. The extract from the unsuccessful start up clearly shows that some of the devices are being closed but I can't see any reasons why and, as I say, there are no errors or warnings: apart from some different time-stamps earlier on in the logs they are otherwise identical (according to KDiff3). Any hints or tips would be appreciated. Regards, LeeE

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sync korganizer to google/calendar or local android?
by Dexter Filmore 16 Feb '12

16 Feb '12

Any way to do it? Got an Android, would like to sync KOrganzier dates with its internal Calendar app. Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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Poll
by Timothy Pearson 15 Feb '12

15 Feb '12

A hypothetical poll for users here.... If TDE were to close down, which desktop would you use instead? You would be allowed to abandon Linux entirely in this scenario. ;-) Please state why you have not already switched; i.e. what item are missing or suboptimal in the other environment. I am curious as to why TDE still exists and need some concrete examples to fall back on to counter detractors. Thanks! Tim

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kaffeine-3.5.13 compilation error
by roman 14 Feb '12

14 Feb '12

Hi everyone, i am currently trying to compile kaffeine-3.5.13 on Funtoo/Gentoo. kdebase-startkde and the kaffeine-deps should already be installed fine. Running "autoconf && automake && configure --prefix=/usr/kde/3.5 && PATH="/usr/kde/3.5/bin:$PATH" make" results in the following error. Can someone with more in-depth knowledge of autotools/kaffeine help me fix this? configure.in:56: the top level cd ../../../.. && /bin/sh ./config.status kaffeine/src/player-parts/kaffeine-part/Makefile depfiles config.status: creating kaffeine/src/player-parts/kaffeine-part/Makefile config.status: executing depfiles commands make[5]: Leaving directory `/tmp/applications/kaffeine/kaffeine/src/player-parts/kaffeine-part' make[5]: Entering directory `/tmp/applications/kaffeine/kaffeine/src/player-parts/kaffeine-part' if /bin/sh ../../../../libtool --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../../.. -I/usr/kde/3.5/include -I/usr/qt/3/include -I. -include tqt.h -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -O2 -g -O2 -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -I/usr/include/tqt -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -MT kaffeinepart.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/kaffeinepart.Tpo" \ -c -o kaffeinepart.lo `test -f 'kaffeinepart.cpp' || echo './'`kaffeinepart.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/kaffeinepart.Tpo" ".deps/kaffeinepart.Plo"; \ else rm -f ".deps/kaffeinepart.Tpo"; exit 1; \ fi ../../../../libtool: line 451: CDPATH: command not found ../../../../libtool: line 1129: func_opt_split: command not found libtool: Version mismatch error. This is libtool 2.2.6b Debian-2.2.6b-2ubuntu1, but the libtool: definition of this LT_INIT comes from an older release. libtool: You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.2.6b Debian-2.2.6b-2ubuntu1 libtool: and run autoconf again. make[5]: *** [kaffeinepart.lo] Fehler 1 make[5]: Leaving directory `/tmp/applications/kaffeine/kaffeine/src/player-parts/kaffeine-part' make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/tmp/applications/kaffeine/kaffeine/src/player-parts' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/applications/kaffeine/kaffeine/src' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/applications/kaffeine/kaffeine' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/applications/kaffeine' make: *** [all] Fehler 2 greetings. Roman -- --

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Re: [trinity-users] LXDE, TDE and KMail - can I achieve what I would like to do?
by Kristopher John Gamrat 13 Feb '12

13 Feb '12

Since Calvin answered two of your questions, I'll answer the remaining. It is possible to not enter the password in Kmail, most email clients offer to store the password. In the Kmail settings, go to Accounts and click Add. You'll have the option of POP, IMAP, or Disconnected IMAP. After entering the details at http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=78799 (for IMAP/Disconnected IMAP) or at http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287 (for POP) (make sure to enable either POP or IMAP in your Gmail settings in your browser!), tick off Store Password, Show Only Serverside Subscribed Folders, Include In Manual Check (optional), and Enable Interval Checking (optional). On the Security tab, select "Use SSL" and "Clear Text". When you apply the settings, it will either bring up KWallet or ask you to confirm storing the password unsafely (depending on whether or not KWallet is installed). If it brings up KWallet, and you /don't / want to use it, just click Next, then Finish (don't set a KWallet password if you're not going to use it). For sending, enter the smtp details on either of those links. For security, select TLS (/not/ SSL) and Plain. For IMAP, POP, and SMTP, you need to use the full email address as the login. -- Kris Gamrat Ark Linux webmaster http://www.arklinux.org/ P.S. If you're not sure the difference between IMAP and Disconnected IMAP, Disconnected IMAP (AKA Cached IMAP) downloads all emails. This causes it to load slowly when you first setup your IMAP since it needs to download everything and each sync will go slightly more slowly if you've received emails. The advantage is that your downloaded email will still be accessible if something happens to your Internet connection. If you don't need it to download attachments automatically, you can disable that elsewhere in Kmail yet still have Disconnected IMAP (it will download the text only).

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Re: [trinity-users] LXDE, TDE and KMail - can I achieve what I would like to do?
by Greg Madden 12 Feb '12

12 Feb '12

On Sunday 12 February 2012 11:01:21 am Lisi wrote: > Hi, Kris. > > Thank you for the reply. > > On Sunday 12 February 2012 19:06:38 Kristopher John Gamrat wrote: > > It is possible to not enter the password in Kmail, most email clients > > offer to store the password. > > That is the problem. I can't find a way. But it used to be possible. > > I don't like KWallet. It is just there by default. Can I safely uninstall > it? And would I then be able to get KMail to store the passwords itself, > as it used to do? > > Thanks, > Lisi There is an app, kwalletmanager-trinity, that allows you to turn off the 'wallet manager subsystem among other things, then you can use the kmail configuration to save , or not, your password. -- Peace, Greg

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Re: [trinity-users] Poll
by Gerhard Zintel 12 Feb '12

12 Feb '12

On Sunday 12 February 2012, Timothy Pearson wrote: > If TDE were to close down, which desktop would you use instead? You would > be allowed to abandon Linux entirely in this scenario. ;-) > > Please state why you have not already switched; i.e. what item are missing > or suboptimal in the other environment. > > I am curious as to why TDE still exists and need some concrete examples to > fall back on to counter detractors. > A lot was stated already and for most of the comments I could agree fully! Nevertheles here are my 2 cents as well. I'm with KDE3 from the very beginning (and with KDE2 before). It was a big disappointment for me when I realized which way KDE4 was going to go starting with things like - dropping Konqueror in favor of Dolphin - demanding from the users to switch to a desktop (KDE4) with absolute reduced functionality - banning users from the discussion list because they were no Fanboys of KDE4 - ... I did not upgrade from Ubuntu Gutsy (was this the latest one with KDE3 officially included in repos?) because I simply did not know which DE to use instead until I found TDE. I'm so glad KDE3 still exists. I bought a netbook 3 years ago and I installed Ubuntu Lenny with Gnome2 as there was a netbook-edition available and there was nothing comparable available for KDE3. I got used to work with it but I'm not really happy with the lack of functionallity and the way it could be customized. I installed the next version (Maverick?) for a friend of mine again with the netbook edition and know what? even there you saw regression in Gnome2 (Nautilus no longer had the address text field available showing the path where you are (don't know the correct name for this)). With Gnome3, it's getting even worse. At work I had to upgrade the Linux system to KDE4 2 years ago. A few guys were working via VNC on this system. What worked well on KDE3 for years was totally strange on KDE4. VNC server / client have been totally broken with the new graphics rendering of KDE4. I found Tiger-VNC program that helped a bit but I could net really got accustomed to KDE4. I now have upgraded to Lenny LTS and downgraded KDE4 to TDE happily! For me, there is no alternative to KDE3 / TDE. If you really drop it I would try to use the existing version as long as possible. Yes, there is room for improvement, e.g. the following 3 items come to mind: - Konqueror more and more has problems to render actuall Web-pages, it would be very nice if we could switch from KHTML to Webkit as I don't think that the effort to renew KHTML libraries could be done. - For using TDE on netbooks the screen size of a lot of dialogs is simply too big for the available screen estate and they can't be reduced. Bear in mind that especially netbooks could greatly take advantage from KDE3. - What I find totally anoying is the way how self-mounted external devices are named. Instead of using simply the names you find by using the mount command (/media/something), you find some system:/media/other-thing! As I'm often still using the command line I can not simply copy the location out of Konquerors address bar but have instead to use mount to get it's correct location. ------------ As you easily see I'm no native speaker. I hope I was able to make myself at least understandable. I'd like to take the opportunity to say a big THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU to Tim and all the others who made Trinity a reality. Please go on with the good work! A happy TDE user Gerhard

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