On Tuesday 01 September 2020 05:30:03 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 1 Sep 05:20:27 -0700
William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
Another new problem, and I swear, this one is not of my own making; unless of course you mean that I am one of those no-systemd devuan dissidents.
So far, in my new Beowulf installation, I've been using wicd to connect; not because I prefer it, but only because it's there. When I was running Jessie, over the past few years tdenetworkmanager and wicd seemed to fight it out, and I couldn't figure out the cause. Sometimes, on a fresh installation, I would be able to use tdenetworkmanager; sometimes not. On the whole, I ended up using wicd about 3/4 of the time. But anyway, at least I could connect, and had no serious issues. It was more a matter of preference. One thing I did notice, though, is that wicd somehow would assume root privileges, even though I did not run it as root.
Anyway, so in my new installation, I would like to use tdenetworkmanager, but now I get these error messages. I list them in order of discovery:
1 - network-manager-tde depends on network-manager (Yeah, I knew that, but huh?) The following packages have unmet dependencies: network-manager-tde : Depends: network-manager (>= 0.7.0) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. 2 - Let's grab that dependency ... The following packages have unmet dependencies: network-manager : Depends: libpam-systemd
3 - Let's try to build-dep ... The following packages have unmet dependencies: builddeps:network-manager : Depends: libpolkit-agent-1-dev (>= 0.97) but it is not going to be installed Depends: systemd (>= 185) but it is not installable
4 - Why can't I build-dep for network-manager? The following packages have unmet dependencies: builddeps:network-manager : Depends: libpolkit-agent-1-dev (>= 0.97) but it is not going to be installed Depends: systemd (>= 185) but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
So the only answer I get is that I must install systemd in order to run tdenetworkmanager? I've already tried some command-line voodoo to force installation, ignore held packages, all that good stuff.
I would just give up for the present, and rely on wicd, which at least has always worked pretty well. It's been my #2 choice, when I've had issues with tdenetworkmanager, which has been about 3/4 of the past couple years. It may be an issue with Debian, because technically TDE-Trinity uses Debian Buster packages, not Devuan Beowulf; they are the same, mostly, but not always.
Now my problem is, once I go online, thereafter I cannot go offline. When I try, I usually find that I still have an active connection that won't die; when I do succeed in going offline, after that I cannot get back online, but must reboot in order to get a connection again.
My verdict is, something's wrong.
:)
tdenetworkmanager works on beowulf, wicd does not - that's what I found when I upgraded. But there should not be any systemd dependecy when you are on devuan. Could you check if that you do not have accidentally activated some debian repository?
Nik
Bill
So, I tried to change the Trinity repos from Buster to Beowulf, updated my sources.list, and that didn't work at all. Trinity only recognizes Buster. I also tried to "pin" the packages to Beowulf (using the option -t beowulf in apt-get), to no avail.
The problem currently remains the same, as related below.
Hi Nik! Thanks for your help.
Buster is named only for some oddball third-party stuff; except, that is, for Trinity-TDE repos themselves (for which, see below).
deb-multimedia repos (for ? I forget) I could disable them unless I need a specific package; but I seem to recall that apt would try to uninstall whatever it was, if the repo is not enabled. deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org stable main deb-src http://www.deb-multimedia.org stable main
the repos for Vivaldi (but I could disable these unless I want to upgrade) deb http://repo.vivaldi.com/snapshot/deb/ stable main
the Tor project
deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org buster stable main deb-src http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org buster stable main
Maybe Trinity itself, as I wasn't sure whether to insert Buster or Beowulf. I noticed some repositories seem to redirect, but others want it specified, one or the other. When I read the instructions and comments on the wiki page, it said something about devuan users should "just use debian", etc.
deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian buster main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian buster main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debia... buster main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debia... buster main
deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster main-r14 deps-r14 deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster main-r14 deps-r14
Bill
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting