22 Feb
2016
22 Feb
'16
5:37 p.m.
On Monday 22 February 2016 09:54:05 Lisi Reisz wrote:
I didn't "hack" anything to put it there, Lisi. Thats where my
first EMC2 install put it, from one of Paul Conners Brain Dead
Installers 15 years ago put it, that is where the Lucid 8.04 LTS
install put it, thats where the Hardy 10.04 LTS install put it and
thats where the install iso based on Wheezy put it.
It is TDE not Wheezy that decides that. I know that it was what used
to be the case. But when .kde changed to .trinity things changed and
Mail moved. What you have got is now non-standard.
I repeat, I did NOT have to move it when I installed TDE r14, it
apparently looked at the old .kde4 config, and adjusted itself
accordingly. In fact, I am unable to find a configuration option in the
tde control center that would even allow it to be changed.
This exists in my ~/.trinity:
share/config/kmailrc:folders[$e]=$HOME/Mail
and I didn't touch it.
And I haven't a clue what the [$e] in the string means.
Aha, caught'cha my dear girl, I am NOT running the 3.5.xx.y version of
TDE, but r14.0.3 according to the pulldown.
My programming is often the end result of living with what I've written
long enough to see that it could be improved, so it will over time, be
fine tuned. My spam and virii treatments both have been overhauled in
the last month. I had just been putting clamav's hits in an isolated
mail file that is not read by kmail. My bank, a died in the wool
winderz running bunch that I've long given up on, they are what they
are, defectively educated MBA's, got infected, clamav triggered, and put
the messages into isolation. When I got a new CC with the chip in it,
it was a total surprise, but in that virii collection was 3 messages
from then advising me it was coming. 5 pieces of crap from AARP too but
it was blatant spam too, so no big deal except that clamav has first
dibs on it in my .procmailrc file. That could have been serious, so both
have now been modified to give me 24 hours to see them before they are
sent to dev/null. That was on the 15th, and clamav hasn't triggered
since to see if it works. I should probably hack my crontab to have
clamav look at it about 8 or 9 in the morning to get me an email report.
That should take too much in the way of "hacking".
As for my other programming efforts, in g-code, I have one file that can
carve the ends of 4 different boards, that has been back into the editor
at least 1000 times in the two years since I renamed it to a -3.ngc
version.
And just a week or so back, I found something that would let me change
the board its to do without a trip to the editor. It seems named
variables in linuxcnc can survive anything but a cold restart of the
computer.
So now I need to figure out how to test to see if they exist, without
generating a show stopping error, or doing a default all zeros run as
that is in fact a valid config for those 2 variables.
Not only to tell it which board it is to cut this run, but to improve the
code even if it was working satisfactorily in terms of makeing joints
that are perfect mirrors of each other so a side board and an end board
just plug into each other, ready for a dab of glue and half a box of
screws to make the finished assembly.
On Monday 22 February 2016 12:03:40 Gene Heskett
wrote:
> On Monday 22 February 2016 04:15:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 22 February 2016 00:05:41 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 21 February 2016 15:39:57 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 21 February 2016 01.41:18 Glen Cunningham wrote:
> > > > > Reply to my own post for the archives.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sunday 21 February 2016 09:38:25 Glen Cunningham wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks for the try, Nik,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sunday 21 February 2016 03:39:15 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
> > >
> Hi!
> > > >
> > > > It's that simple :-)
> > >
> > > NO! It is not that simple.
>
> (...)
>
> > Laboriously copied the above 6 files/directories from
> > .kde3 on the old box to .trinity on the new one.
> > That did not work! Kmail failed to start.
> > Deleted the 5 config files, restarted kmail, at least
> > kmail started this time and my old mailboxes seem to have
> > survived.
> >
> > There has gotta be a better way!
> > Cheers,
> > Glen
>
> It should - almost - work the way Nik indicated.
>
> There are possibly a few things to edit when you move to
> .trinity (but that will be only once). Mainly, did you edit
> /.trinity/share/config/kmailrc ? In the last part of the file
> (after the mailboxes), you have the path to your mail
> directory.
>
> In (very) old time this would have been ~/mail , but somwhere
> in KDE history it was relocated to a ./kde3 subdirectory,
> usually $HOME/.kde3/share/apps/kmail/mail. You must change
> that to $HOME/.trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail
>
> As far as I remember that's all I had to do (apart from
> copyinf the directory).
>
> Thierry
That might not be 100% good info, here on a wheezy system, its
~/Mail, and I can't remember when it was different.
Sorry, Gene - this is the not 100% correct information. You have
not got a standard Wheezy system by any manner of means. It was
possible to keep mail in ~/Mail. which is where it was before, but
only by deliberately hacking one's system. It is NOT where it is
on a standard Wheezy/TDE system. E.g., it is not on mine. I
migrated my mails, with help from the community, I did not hack
and set up links or whatever in order to keep ~/Mail, although
that was a possibility. ISTR that I tried and made a mess of it.
Lisi All I had to
do was copy the email corpus
from the old drive to the new one each time I made a new install on
a new drive.
Sure I write scripts to take care of stuff the installer should have
taken care of but didn't, and cannot because the choices would
exceed the size of the dvd. All I am doing is scrattching an itch.
To me its not hacking, its polishing the apple.
Use whatever word you choose. Hacking is the correct term, but I
don't insist on it.
I don't build/buy these
machines to be told how I have to conform to them,
Of course. But home/$USER/Mail is no longer, now (in this case
3.5.13.2) the standard place for mail to be, and when one changes from
TDE 3.5.?11 (I forget exactly when the change came) one has to go with
the flow and migrate as required or hack around not to migrate. Your system is by no means standard. It is not
standard Wheezy, and
it sounds as though it is not standard TDE either. There is nothing
wrong with being non-standard. It just isn't standard.
And I haven't seen anyplace where its said that r14 uses the same layout
as the 3.5.xx.y might use. So my kmail is 1.9.10. No clue what yours
says it is.
I believe I'll rest my case... :)
[tl:dnr]
I thought some levity might improve the exchange. :)
To you, even changing a password is hacking I
guess.
Of course not. Don't be ridiculous.
But to make a
machine do something it is fully capable of doing, even if its not
on the menu at your favorite "greasy spoon"/"distribution" is not
hacking, its making the machine do what I need it to do AND bought
it or built it to do.
That is what hacking means, for goodness sake.
I think you need to find a better word than
"hacking". Its usually
called programming.
Gene, you are very knowledgeable in electronics. I am highly
qualified in language. I know what programming is. For what I meant,
hacking is fine. It is a word with a lot of meanings. I meant, and I
quote from www.oxforddictionaries.com:
"2.1Program quickly and roughly." Merriam-Webster gives:
"4
a : to write computer programs for enjoyment"
I did not mean programming. I meant, and advisedly said, hacking.
Quick is the operative word there. Creating the odd link, moving
and/or renaming the odd file is NOT programming in my book.
Lisi
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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