23 Apr
2020
23 Apr
'20
5:44 p.m.
On Thursday 23 April 2020 08:47:56 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 23 April 2020 09:32:36 am Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
I’m a US citizen and I’d heavily recommend to not do [TDE-ORG] in the USA.
Rules and regulations are excessive and expensive to comply with.
- Back pay? Figure out how much work has been done by who (number of
commits?), how much it’s worth, what a total for all of that would be, and
set aside [~25%?] of future donations to pay it off.
As long as we all agree, pretty much anything.
I’d suggest anyone interested in wanting to donate their time to doing the
paperwork/bookkeeping do what Nik did and outlined their local requirements
so we can talk it out and decide what/where makes the most sense for
[TDE-ORG]. The world is a pretty small place now, so unless someone has an
objection, anywhere that is cheap/easy seems ideal.
# # #
On a negative example note, the [TDE-ORG] bylaws/charter/TOS ‘stuff’
probably needs a constraint so the project doesn’t do a ‘Drupal’ where the
Drupal Association literally dumped and ejected all the historical user
base in favor of the top corporate donors. Based on that, I’d personally
be somewhat against a ‘à la Red Hat’ model. *
Best All,
Michael
* Besides which I just had to build three CentOS 7 servers with systemd and
that thing is one piece of crap. So big middle finger to Red Hat for
shoving that down peoples’ throats.
I've been holding my tongue, out of respect for Slavek's wishes here. What is
obvious is that we need some kind of sign from Timothy Pearson himself,
concerning how we might proceed next. Otherwise, these are all pipe dreams.
There is no doubt, with the all the talent and wide knowledge that I see on
display here in the mailing list, with our connections round the globe, that
we could make TDE into the top dog among desktops. I would like to keep it
free/libre, GNU/Linux, and not see it get sold out or otherwise turn into a
proprietary nightmare. (I suppose, if the code is declared free/libre now,
then it would always be forked once again, if necessary, in order to preserve
it, but it seems wiser to be able to build on all the work that has been done
already.)
Until we get that sign, however, it seems that we must wait here in a kind of
limbo. Not to give up hope, though, I have polished my crystal ball, dusted
off a pack of old tarot cards, and at this very moment I am searching for a
virgin to sacrifice.
Bill
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Anno domini 2020 Thu, 23 Apr 09:59:00 -0400
E. Liddell scripsit:
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:46:20 -0500
>
> Michael <mb_trinity_desktop(a)inet-design.com> wrote:
> > Probably the best way with Tim 'owning' the non-profit.
>
> In theory, we should probably incorporate, but this introduces
> accounting and tax-reporting requirements we haven't had to deal with
> up to this point. Still, we should move away from any single person
> being solely responsible for managing funds and resources—that's why we
> have a problem in the first place.
Unless Timothy (Tim?, what’s he like to be called by?) completely declines
he should be the titular head, even if he never does anything else with
TDE. Others elected/appointed can ‘do the work’ so to speak. Okay, my
opinion, otherwise it’d be insanely rude to Timothy :(
There are
likely to be advantages and
disadvantages to setting up in each jurisdiction. And the US is not a
single jurisdiction: each state is different.
From my experience: US jurisdiction is something you should stay away as
far you can. So, what
would the money the Trinity Desktop Environment Project, Inc.
acquires be paid out for?
-hosting
-having someone do the accounting and make required corporate reports
-publicity and outreach?
-salary for one or more full-time devs, if we were to grow that much?
-other?
- Fond raising
- PR work ... And
sources of income would be . . .
-donations
-sales of swag (shirts, coffee mugs, bumper stickers, mouse pads . . .)
-technical support of TDE in larger deployments, à la Red Hat?
-paid feature requests?
- EU project funds
- local project funds
And the next step would be research of the rules
governing
not-for-profits in the jurisdictions of people actually willing to do
the *work* associated with ...
I can only speak for the Austrian situation
Done that already for :) statistically every Austrian is member of at
least 2 associations.