19 Feb
2018
19 Feb
'18
6:14 p.m.
On Monday 19 February 2018 17:47:06 Felix Miata wrote:
E. Liddell composed on 2018-02-19 19:15 (UTC-0500):
I don't care so much about font size; Firefox is my general-purpose torified
web browser, and I force my own settings for fonts, colors, etc. on all
sites. If I still can read something, I just manually enlarge the text with
CTRL-+. And if I want to view a website the way the designers intended, then
I use another browser.
However, I do care about the general organization of the Trinity pages, as
it's hard for noobies to find their way to what they need. I imagine this is
just because the website was started by designers and maintainers, then
accumulated other pages rather haphazardly, as new stuff was added. The
people who have been hanging round here for years are used to it (and it
doesn't really bother me personally); but when I've heard from other people,
they are under the impression that nothing is being maintained, and that
active development has stopped.
They don't realize that, of course, Trinity is developed and maintained by
volunteers. If I can be of some help, by the way, I am open to suggestions;
because I really want TDE to stay alive. I've tried many other different DEs,
and this is still the best.
Bill
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:49:16 -0500 Felix Miata
wrote:
11pt physical would be a fine and dandy size in that context, but
specifying 11pt in any "current" web browser other than one using the KHTML
engine gets you 11px, which can be vastly different from 11pt, depending on
screen density. CSS since 2.1 or thereabouts made the px unit exactly equal
to the pt unit, making spec-compliant browsers unable to specify accurate
physical sizes unless physical screen density is equal to 96 DPI. KHTML
(Konq) never complied with this spec, while Gecko browsers do offer a
workaround for those willing to write custom rules using its proprietary
mozmm unit.
If you s/11pt/.917rem/ in #mw-navigation on screen.css:64 you should get a
close approximation of 11pt "physical" size if the near universal default
16px/12pt remains in effect in the browser in use, and if you are using any
moderately recent 100% spec-compliant browser (which excludes Konq, which
has no rem unit support).
However, as long as you retain the 170px sidebar width, you'll find the
same problem with overflow I see here as the user's screen density deviates
above 96 DPI. s/170px/10.625rem/ for div#mw-panel in screen.css:590 might
be enough to fix the sidebar width, but doing that would undoubtedly create
need for other sizing rule adjustments.
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/tdeCSS20180219.gif shows what I see. 11px CSS
equates to 30.25% of my browser's default 12pt (20px) size. For me, the wiki page above is quite sufficient,
once the target distro
installation has been completed. The harder part is finding that page in
the first place. From
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Trinity_Desktop_Environment it's not
obvious to me that
TDE
Documentation
following
Main page
and
Recent changes
is how to eventually find it. The left column on that page needs to be
wider so that the link is not split over two lines when its font is
forced to a legible size.
How large a font size do you need for this to be "legible" to you? I'm
asking as the person who created the modified skin for the TDE wiki--I
assumed that 11pt bold Arial/Libre Sans would be sufficient for most
people using a normal-sized screen (that is, not a phone or very small
tablet), but if a lot of people are having problems, I might have to see
about revising it. 