24 Apr
2020
24 Apr
'20
6:03 p.m.
This is a combined reply to Slavek, David and Michael :)
None of these "for free" or "for little fee" platform/companies will
make [TDE-ORG] a legal entity. It's quite the contary: Now Tim is the legal
burdon-carrier. The moment TDE leaves his nest, it's on it's own. In the worst
case this is a fork - with possible the consequence of loosing TDE as a trademark and
name. Having mentioned trademark: in Austria trademarks are quite cheep, I remember I
payed € 250.- for 10 years, but trademarks are given to legal entities, not projects.
The moment [TDE-ORG] takes money, it needs to be a legal entity. Again, now it's Tim.
If [TDE-ORG] wants to move away from busfactor=1 to e.g. busfactor=6, then 6 people will
need to form a legal entity. Where that entity is located is essential in almost any
sense: copyright, legal satatus, tax, domain, ...
I strongly suggest that everybody tries to figure out his/her countries legal situation
concerning NGOs/association and the like. EU is not that unified as it might appear. There
is a list of must-haves:
- VAT exemption, aka 0% VAT rate.
- no tax requirement if income (in minus out) is lower € XXX (which happens to be ~ 5500.-
in Austria)
- simple bookkeeping requirements (in, out)
- who is allowed to be board member (Austria: everybody AFAIK)
ANd stay away from US legislation :)
Nik
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 24 Apr 09:36:34 -0500
Michael scripsit:
On Friday 24 April 2020 01:15:14 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
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Anno domini 2020 Fri, 24 Apr 04:17:12 +0200
the legal implications. A professinal bookkeeper for a costs you ~ 300.- /
year for simple bookkeeping (again: Austria) - that is, if you feel
overhelmed with dooing simple bookkeeping yourself. If going for legal, how
should these companies handle local laws? To which laws ate they bound?
What's with VAT?
civicrm.org --> US
backdropcms.org --> US
opencollective.com --> US
stripe.com --> UK
Choos your poison.
Ah, I see I didn't transfer my thoughts well :(
civicrm.org and backdropcms.org are free platforms that can be used to
replicate an Open Collective reporting system. The jurisdiction of either
has nothing to do with [TDE-ORG] (or any of their other users). The rates
were PayPal, those rates don’t apply to checks and any other monies that can
be processed by the bank the [TDE-ORG] checking account is with.
They are both what I am moving my own site and the vast majority of my clients
to in preparations for Drupal 7 going end of life in November 2021. (It may
claim to be for NGOs, but it’s also used by commercial entities for it’s
completeness of functions.)
My unwritten assumption was that I was the one
building/hosting/upgrading/managing the civicrm and backdropcms site, hence
it was ‘free’ to the [TDE-ORG]. The other unwritten bits were that civicrm
is able to replace much of the scattered functions TDE has today into a
single, integrated, space. [1]
[TDE-ORG] would need at least:
- legal status as a non-profit
- checking account(s)
[TDE-ORG] could use:
- someone who can read and do simple math for a tax return
Creating [TDE-ORG] as a non-profit is not exceptionally difficult (even in the
US [2]), it’s just a matter of reading, filling out forms, and paying a
filing fee. If we even need help with that, we can ask any other Linux/tech
related NGO questions.
Best,
Michael
[1] The CiviCRM User Guide:
Note: It needs a much better TOC, the ‘Next’ topic link is bottom-right on the
page.
https://docs.civicrm.org/user/en/latest/introduction/what-is-civicrm/
[2] Huh, the Amazon Smile thing seems to only be for USA based non-profits?
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