Am Dienstag, 22. September 2020 schrieb Uwe Brauer via tde-users:

Did you get any error message? Or error code (return code), i.e. can you say wether that command failed or succeeded?

No nothing it just freezes

Are you able to switch to console (Ctrl + Alt + F[1-6]) and log in?

Nope.

I don't know how Ubuntu handles that stuff, but on Debian you find:

$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager /opt/trinity/bin/tdm

Check the contents of that file. I've had this file changed to another installed display manager a couple of times during upgrade of tdm-trinity.

If you can't log in at all, you can try with a rescue or live system from USB or such. Or start with option init=/bin/bash on linux command line to have at least a shell.

Ok, I can try this, next time, in the meantime I re installed it leaving the windows manager to lightdm

The strange thing is: on my actual machine (running 16.04)

the contend of /etc/X11/default-display-manager

Is lightdm

But tdm starts!!!

But on the other machine I don't dare now to run again

sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity

Merely installing Trinity 14.8 on my fresh Debian 10 left with a broken system and broken packages twice, this was not the case with version 14.7

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:58, Stefan Krusche via tde-users ml-migration-agent@trinitydesktop.org wrote:

Am Samstag, 26. September 2020 schrieb Uwe Brauer via tde-users:

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Am Dienstag, 22. September 2020 schrieb Uwe Brauer via tde-users: If you can't log in at all, you can try with a rescue or live system from USB or such. Or start with option init=/bin/bash on linux command line to have at least a shell.

Ok, I can try this, next time, in the meantime I re installed it leaving the windows manager to lightdm

Yes, that seems to be safer.

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The strange thing is: on my actual machine (running 16.04)

Now that I think more of it, ubuntu is running systemd, no?

What I proposed applies to sysvinit-based systems like devuan et al. NOT to systemd-based systems like ubuntu

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/etc/X11/default-display-manager Is lightdm

I have absolutely no experience with systemd-based distros, but this makes me think you would need to look deeper into how systemd starts display-managers and so on…

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But tdm starts!!! But on the other machine I don't dare now to run again sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity

Yeah, I wouldn't either.

Good luck!

Stefan

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Michael: You're racist, and not the honest kinda racist, more like the hypocritical kind who tries to spin it into something else by appending a long pointless msg. Recent versions of Trinity causes problems if installed alongside other desktop environments, apt-get remove makes it worse. Test before you speak.

Salam

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:36, Michael via tde-users ml-migration-agent@trinitydesktop.org wrote:

On Saturday 26 September 2020 06:04:23 am Abdurrahman via tde-users wrote:

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Merely installing Trinity 14.8 on my fresh Debian 10 left with a broken system and broken packages twice, this was not the case with version 14.7

Hi Abdurrahman,

1. Please don't top post.

2. Please don't hijack other threads.

3. What you posted is nowhere near enough info for anyone to help you.

   Other people have successfully installed TDE .8 on D10 (myself included on multiple machines ~2 months ago). In events like that, then it’s almost always a local problem. I would check the installation media for errors (does the download file pass validation, are ALL the disk(s)/USBs/CDs that are being used okay?, does the system pass a RAM check?, etc.).

   If you still have errors afterwards, do include exactly what you are doing. Do include links to where you got each piece of software and what instructions you followed to install both D10 and TDE. Also include (copy/paste) the errors you are getting.

   Best, Michael

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On Mon September 28 2020 02:28:28 Abdurrahman via tde-users wrote:

Michael: You're racist, and not the honest kinda racist, more like the hypocritical kind who tries to spin it into something else by appending a long pointless msg. Recent versions of Trinity causes problems if installed alongside other desktop environments, apt-get remove makes it worse. Test before you speak.

Abdurrahman,

I doubt anyone here is aware of whatever race you may identify as so racism is impossible. You should apologize.

Please do not top post. Please do not hijack other threads.

You have still not posted enough info for anyone to help you. Many of us here manage many Debian+TDE systems and have not encountered the problems you hint at.

You specified Debian 10 and TDE 8. Great.

What was your prior successful Debian 10 configuration?

How did you attempt to install TDE 8?

What specific error(s) occurred?

What apt-get remove command did you use?

What specific error(s) occurred?

--Mike

On Monday 28 September 2020 04:03:26 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:

On 2020/09/28 06:28 PM, Abdurrahman via tde-users wrote:

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Michael: You're racist, and not the honest kinda racist, more like the hypocritical kind who tries to spin it into something else by appending a long pointless msg. Recent versions of Trinity causes problems if installed alongside other desktop environments, apt-get remove makes it worse. Test before you speak.

Salam

Abdurrahman, I usually don't get involved much in this sort of disputes, I stick to technical things. But:

1. common sense suggests that you don't get people to help you by telling

them they are racist, hypocritical and so on.

2. there is a ML etiquette which is clearly posted on the TDE website that

asks specifically not to top post, so make sure you know the rules before you insult others.

3. lot of people on this ML have been around for long time and have helped

out each others a lot. I don't remember seeing you around for that long, so I take you are a new or recent user of this ML. Once again, make sure you know the rules of the community if you want to participate and get people to help you. Insulting others doesn't buy you any friends. Not just here, anywhere in life.

Cheers Michele

We have even managed to help out others when, in other ways, we are totally at odds with their expressed views or ideas -- especially where they involve religion, politics, philosophy, etc.

I can think of a few people on the list whose opinions are diametrically opposed to my own (at least, to judge by superficial details); yet we have managed to cooperate when it comes to the Trinity desktop project.

It seems to me that we share a common purpose, if we participate in this mailing list, and mostly we manage to rise above petty differences.

Nobody knows your race, ethnic background, or anything else about you, unless you choose to tell us. And I hope that we can keep the peace here, at least, when the rest of the world is falling apart all round us.

Bill

Abdurrahman wrote:

Michael: You're racist, and not the honest kinda racist, more like the hypocritical kind who tries to spin it into something else by appending a long pointless msg. Recent versions of Trinity causes problems if installed alongside other desktop environments, apt-get remove makes it worse. Test before you speak.

I recall there was and may be still is an issue in 14.0.8 with the tdm not starting after installation.

https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/106

May be he is talking about such experience, but I agree with the rest, that the language is not acceptable. In fact I think people that call other people racist are racist - but it is OT.

I admit that this issue is of these that you can curse for one or two days at least. Good that Slavek dig into the details and found the root cause.

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Dne st 30. září 2020 Stefan Krusche via tde-users napsal(a):

Am Montag, 28. September 2020 schrieb deloptes via tde-users:

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I recall there was and may be still is an issue in 14.0.8 with the tdm not starting after installation.

https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/106

I resently updated tdm on a devuan beoulf system with TDE preliminary stable builds. By default there is also slim installed. After _every_ update slim is again the default manager and I need to manually reconfigure tdm-trinity.

I think I've reported such strange behavior maybe already two years ago or so.

Kind regards, Stefan ____________________________________________________

Yes, I also observe such behavior - it switches me to LightDM. Someone has reported such behavior on OpenSUSE as well. Unfortunately, we still haven't investigated the cause of such switching.

Cheers

Dne st 30. září 2020 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users napsal(a):

On Wednesday 30 September 2020 12.40:31 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:

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Yes, I also observe such behavior - it switches me to LightDM. Someone has reported such behavior on OpenSUSE as well. Unfortunately, we still haven't investigated the cause of such switching.

Cheers

Doesn't it simply mean that the update script sets back the default DM? On Debian I solved it by removing lightdm. Whenever I had installed with Gnome I got the same: gmd3 was reinstalled as DM if I did not remove it.

If it is so I doubt we can do much (or we would have to modify some distro-internal script to put tdm there).

Thierry ____________________________________________________

I tried researching the preinst / postinst script but without success. At the same time, it is strange that the same problem manifests itself on distributions other than 'deb', where these scripts from deb packaging are not used. The only same thing is there a mechanism of 'alternatives'.

Cheers

On Sunday 27 September 2020 08.57:47 Uwe Brauer via tde-users wrote:

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I have absolutely no experience with systemd-based distros, but this makes me think you would need to look deeper into how systemd starts display-managers and so on…

I tried, but currently it is beyond me (I admit I have cursed the decision to move to systemd because it makes things much more opaque).

Debian is still sticking to sysvinit?

Regards

Uwe

I have no experience (or rather, very little) with Ubuntu but on Debian, systemd does not change the way we start the display-manager, as far as I can say.

I did remove lightdm because otherwise, any major update sets it back as default window manager, but dpkg-reconfigure worked.

And no, unfortunately, Debian also moved to systemd. on Debian 9, it was possible to go back to sysvinit, on Debian 10 no more (at least when It was released, don't know if someone found the trick).

For Debian-without-systemd look for Devuan or MX Linux. This being said, as a "normal user", I can live with systemd and I can't say that I have "seen" any really bad side of it (although I would prefer to get rid of it).

Thierry

Anno domini 2020 Sun, 27 Sep 08:57:47 +0200 Uwe Brauer via tde-users scripsit:

No, it uses systemd. Maybe you want to try Devuan? Either direct Devuan Beowulf installation or any of the many alternative live DVDs?

Thanks for the offer, but right now I don't feel like having another adventure with an unknown distro.

BTW, Knoppix 8.6 has dropped systemd, too :)

Ah, good old knoppix it is still around? Forget all about it.

Since I am an ignorant I never understand the real benefits of systemd, other than most distros were switching to it.

On Tuesday 22 September 2020 03:28:32 pm Uwe Brauer via tde-users wrote:

Hey Uwe,

If I read the whole thread right you just need google-chrome to work because of uni?

That is a strong reason, the other would be a working audio/video system for conferences (and Ubuntu 16,04+trinity gave me some headaches already on this machine, which I could fortunately solve, well more or less)

As a thought, try the Devuan and MX Linux Live USBs and see if either will install/run google-chrome first. Both Devuan and MX will install TDE.

Thanks, that would be a method of last resort. That laptop is anyhow thought as a backup solution if other things fails. The laptop is from 2009.

Right now I can live with lightdm (also it looks odd to me).

Thanks

Uwe

On Sunday 27 September 2020 09:20:31 Uwe Brauer via tde-users wrote:

Did you try "sudo dpkg --purge --force-all desktop-base"? In the past, at least on my own system, I have found this to solve a problem that sounds similar to yours.

Thanks, I will try this out later.

The default package desktop-base seems to conflict with desktop-base-trinity, although it usually doesn't come up as an error. Other contenders (desktop-base-* for other DEs) might also conflict.

Before purging desktop-base (the default), then make sure that desktop-base-trinity is installed. Then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity" and "sudo dpkg-reconfigure desktop-base-trinity".

This is very helpful to know, because similar things happened to me in the past.

If I am forced to use another DE as a workaround sometimes, or for purposes of troubleshooting, then I myself would prefer MATE or xfce, as they are the least intrusive, and don't conflict much with TDE.

I think the worst thing I did once (some years ago) was to install Kubuntu and trying to install TDE on top of it, quite a nightmare.

Uwe

On Monday 28 September 2020 17.28:50 William Morder via tde-users wrote:

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I think the worst thing I did once (some years ago) was to install Kubuntu and trying to install TDE on top of it, quite a nightmare.

Same here. I am still trying to weed out all the unwanted KDE 4/5 krap.

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Uwe

I think (K)Ubuntu expect their users to use what has been proposed (that's why there had to be a Kunbuntu in the first place). But that's probably great if you don't want to (or can't) really learn the system.

With Debian/Devuan you have a steeper learning curve, but you are rewarded with freedom (at least when it commes to the DE).

It took me time to get to use Debian (however I must say SuSE let me learn to use Linux because of their great manual at thze end of last century) but I never wished to go back.

For more control there is Gentoo, but that's quite another world...

Thierry