24 Sep
2023
24 Sep
'23
2 a.m.
Dear TDE list
I have used tde for some time now, but mainly on desktops. I
standardise on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS version but unfortunately the desktop
version comes bundled with a desktop that takes ugly to new levels and
does not offer multiple desktops, which are very useful as I have an
additional screen plugged into the HDMI port. So I start by installing
the server version, then add the trinity repositories and install as
directed. That's always worked on my desktops.
The platform is a Dell 7737 laptop with 16GB memory - quite old but
reliable, nice display, etc and I have replaced the drive with a 1TB SSD
so it is a completely new box. There are 2 display controllers, VGA
compatible Intel Haswell-ULT and a 3D controller nVidia GeForce GT 750M.
Now the issues:
1) I have no wifi or ethernet tools. The machine is currently working
with the installation settings in /etc/netplan via the wired networking.
Thus, if I want to use it elsewhere I cannot select wireless network
without editing the installation file(s). Network settings just tells
me that the platform is not supported and offers quite an old list of
options. What is missing from my installation?
2) There is no suspend or other power options. As I use it as an
effective desktop that is permanently plugged in, this may not matter
but again, what can be missing?
3) If I go to the power settings and try to change anything, the display
on the laptop goes bananas with for example the nice plain blue xterm
header turned into a rainbow, blotchy characters etc. Moving the
offending object to the external screen . I've seen this before and the
answer with an nVidia graphics card was to install the nVidia-418
drivers from the Ubuntu repository and block nouveau. Initially, with
nouveau, this happened which is why I installed the nVidia bundle but it
happens with that as well. Could this be a confusion between the two
display controllers because the extension screen is not affected, or the
missing power options?
Puzzled.
--
John Logsdon
Quantex Research Ltd
m:+447717758675/h:+441614454951
24 Sep
24 Sep
7:54 a.m.
On Sunday 24 September 2023 11.00:58 John Logsdon via tde-users wrote:
Dear TDE list
I have used tde for some time now, but mainly on desktops. I
standardise on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
(...)
Now the issues:
1) I have no wifi or ethernet tools.
2) There is no suspend or other power options.
3) If I go to the power settings and try to change anything, the display
on the laptop goes bananas
Hello,
I am no Ubuntu user, but I wonder if your issues have anything to do with TDE
(and for that reason can be solved from TDE). Wifi, ethernet and Power
options depend on the system itself (Ubuntu here) I guess.
AFAIK for power option, check that tdepowersave is installed - but what it can
do probably depends on what Ubuntu can to with your laptop.
The network/wifi settings from TDE also have to interact with whatever your
Ubuntu system proposes. If Ubuntu can see no network, TDE won't either.
As I said, I don't use Ubuntu. You might download an image of MX-Linux (not
Ubuntu, but Debian based) and boot that - my experience is very good with MX,
with laptops in particular. If you have network and power options, then you
problem is Ubuntu, not TDE.
Thierry
7:54 a.m.
John Logsdon via tde-users wrote:
1) I have no wifi or ethernet tools. The machine is
currently working
with the installation settings in /etc/netplan via the wired networking.
Thus, if I want to use it elsewhere I cannot select wireless network
without editing the installation file(s). Network settings just tells
me that the platform is not supported and offers quite an old list of
options. What is missing from my installation?
I am using the network manager and tdenetworkmanager, which is working fine
at 95%. I had only once an issue when I was in a hotel. and the issue was
related to the shorewall firewall that was obviously not dynamic enough to
respond to the hotels network
Here I would also check if I were member of the group netdev
2) There is no suspend or other power options. As I
use it as an
effective desktop that is permanently plugged in, this may not matter
but again, what can be missing?
Here I would check if I have the proper permissions for the group plugdev
see /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.conf
3) If I go to the power settings and try to change anything, the display
on the laptop goes bananas with for example the nice plain blue xterm
header turned into a rainbow, blotchy characters etc. Moving the
offending object to the external screen . I've seen this before and the
answer with an nVidia graphics card was to install the nVidia-418
drivers from the Ubuntu repository and block nouveau. Initially, with
nouveau, this happened which is why I installed the nVidia bundle but it
happens with that as well. Could this be a confusion between the two
display controllers because the extension screen is not affected, or the
missing power options?
I also had this bug on older Dell ... but I do not remember what was the
solution. I do not think it is confusion between the two controllers or
related to the power option. I remember it was something different, but can
not reach to the details.
BR
8:07 a.m.
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Dear TDE list
I have used tde for some time now, but mainly on desktops. I
standardise on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS version but unfortunately the
desktop version comes bundled with a desktop that takes ugly to new
levels and does not offer multiple desktops,
Being a Debian user I have noticed that many of the dynamic network
elements such as wireless tools don't get installed with the server,
only with the desktop initial installation.
That said, when installing TDE I am given a choice to use either
the "lightdm" login manager standard package by default,
or "tdm-trinity". Setting to "tdm-trinity" and the TDE desktop means
not seeing whatever default desktop was installed the first time.
I know Ubuntu does some things very differently, but most of the
plumbing remains Debian.
Can you try "dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity" and see if you have a
choice to set tdm-trinity as the default login, from which you can
choose TDE as the desktop?
At least that way you could do the desktop Ubuntu install and get all
the good bells and whistles that come with that, and still not use
the default ugly desktop.
Curt-
P.S., I've been careful to buy only Intel graphic systems recently,
avoiding the nouveau/nvidia morass entirely, so I cannot help there.
- --
You may my glories and my state dispose,
But not my griefs; still am I king of those.
--- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
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8:50 a.m.
Folks
Network issue solved - I needed tdenetwork-trinity.
I can now see and connect to my (hidden) network and another network
that is presumably my neighbour's and I have installed and connected via
the ethernet device. I've added myself to the netdev group.
How do I remove the netplan installation stuff? It contains my wifi
password in plain text!! Do I just rm -rf the /etc/netplan directory or
is there a package to remove properly?
Power issue - I have tdepowersave installed and am a member of the
plugdev group.
The file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.conf is
root:root mod 644 and I can read it. The battery symbol shows empty
which must be wrong because the machine is permanently plugged in. It
seems that Ubuntu is not reading the battery condition.
Oh bother - now I've lost my kicker!! Time to restart tde.
On 24-09-2023 14:54, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
John Logsdon via tde-users wrote:
--
John Logsdon
Quantex Research Ltd
m:+447717758675/h:+441614454951
1) I have no wifi or ethernet tools. The machine
is currently working
with the installation settings in /etc/netplan via the wired
networking.
Thus, if I want to use it elsewhere I cannot select wireless network
without editing the installation file(s). Network settings just tells
me that the platform is not supported and offers quite an old list of
options. What is missing from my installation?
I am using the network manager and tdenetworkmanager, which is working
fine
at 95%. I had only once an issue when I was in a hotel. and the issue
was
related to the shorewall firewall that was obviously not dynamic enough
to
respond to the hotels network
Here I would also check if I were member of the group netdev
2) There is no suspend or other power options.
As I use it as an
effective desktop that is permanently plugged in, this may not matter
but again, what can be missing?
Here I would check if I have the proper permissions for the group
plugdev
see /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.conf
3) If I go to the power settings and try to change anything, the
display
on the laptop goes bananas with for example the nice plain blue xterm
header turned into a rainbow, blotchy characters etc. Moving the
offending object to the external screen . I've seen this before and
the
answer with an nVidia graphics card was to install the nVidia-418
drivers from the Ubuntu repository and block nouveau. Initially, with
nouveau, this happened which is why I installed the nVidia bundle but
it
happens with that as well. Could this be a confusion between the two
display controllers because the extension screen is not affected, or
the
missing power options?
I also had this bug on older Dell ... but I do not remember what was
the
solution. I do not think it is confusion between the two controllers or
related to the power option. I remember it was something different, but
can
not reach to the details.
BR
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Thierry de Coulon