Greetings all;
I ran synaptic-pkexec this morning and got some non-sensical errors.
Shut it down, and looked in /etc/apt, and found all my sources.lists had been replaced by something pointing at stevenpusser at opensusi.org. And all the changes were dated this morning.
Now, I have no clue who the hell steven pusser is, but there sure as hell isn't anything on this system, an i386 wheezy install, from opensusi.org that I know about.
And its all owned by root. So even after I've restored the .saved versions of everything, the .saved weren't exactly correct since the trinity entry was pointed at cz, which I was told last week was a deprecated address.
So among other things I need to restore is my deb line for the trinity repo.
Never having run kpackage-trinity, I thought I's see what it looked like, it was showing as installed but its not in any of the TDE menu's. And can't be found by me or root.
All of this mucking with my sources list was apparently done by synaptic-pkexec. Its all datestamped today at 5:40AM locale time, which is when I tried to run synaptic-pkexe.
And I can find no "arch" reference anyplace. It should be i386 for this machine.
Call me puzzled. Or worse.
Gene Heskett wrote:
Call me puzzled. Or worse.
this doesn't sound good - I would take the machine offline and reinstall from scratch ... unless you are schizophrenic and your other identity is this steven. Cause you won't know what was replaced/installed from this site. Programs might be replaced with compromised etc.
this is my opinion.
you wanted anyway to upgrade some time soon - what you can save are the configurations you have there - but I would not keep this machine online or at least not in my internal network.
regards
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:05:32 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Call me puzzled. Or worse.
this doesn't sound good - I would take the machine offline and reinstall from scratch ... unless you are schizophrenic and your other identity is this steven. Cause you won't know what was replaced/installed from this site. Programs might be replaced with compromised etc.
this is my opinion.
you wanted anyway to upgrade some time soon - what you can save are the configurations you have there - but I would not keep this machine online or at least not in my internal network.
regards
That will be difficult as there is not another machine to replace it, its the heart of my network. But the thought of upgrading to jessie has crossed my mind, maybe even stretch. I'm going to look through the logs, and I guess run up to staples and get me a couple 2T drives. My normal upgrade it always to a new drive so I have the old drive available for the legacy stuffs, like my kmail cache that goes back to about 2007.
And this time I think I'll go full 64 bit as some versions of linuxcnc will now run on a 64 bit install. Jessie, on an rpi3b is running my lathe pretty good.
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Steven Pusser is one of the MX Linux Devs but I can't see him doing that to your machine. Hopefully you have backups as the machine should really be rebuilt.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:05:32 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Call me puzzled. Or worse.
this doesn't sound good - I would take the machine offline and reinstall from scratch ... unless you are schizophrenic and your other identity is this steven. Cause you won't know what was replaced/installed from this site. Programs might be replaced with compromised etc.
this is my opinion.
you wanted anyway to upgrade some time soon - what you can save are the configurations you have there - but I would not keep this machine online or at least not in my internal network.
regards
That will be difficult as there is not another machine to replace it, its the heart of my network. But the thought of upgrading to jessie has crossed my mind, maybe even stretch. I'm going to look through the logs, and I guess run up to staples and get me a couple 2T drives. My normal upgrade it always to a new drive so I have the old drive available for the legacy stuffs, like my kmail cache that goes back to about 2007.
And this time I think I'll go full 64 bit as some versions of linuxcnc will now run on a 64 bit install. Jessie, on an rpi3b is running my lathe pretty good.
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On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:39:32 Pisini, John wrote:
Steven Pusser is one of the MX Linux Devs but I can't see him doing that to your machine.
In that event, neither can I. I must have added that repo because it had something I wanted and have forgotten both when and what.
Hopefully you have backups as the machine should really be rebuilt.
That I do, amanda runs every night.
Rebuilt to debian amd64 stretch 9.4, iso coming in now. Next is firmware updates for seagate 2T drives and get another. Then burn a couple dvd's and a cd of the seagate firmware. And a fresh flash of my router's dd-wrt. Busy day ahead.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net
wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:05:32 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Call me puzzled. Or worse.
this doesn't sound good - I would take the machine offline and reinstall from scratch ... unless you are schizophrenic and your other identity is this steven. Cause you won't know what was replaced/installed from this site. Programs might be replaced with compromised etc.
this is my opinion.
you wanted anyway to upgrade some time soon - what you can save are the configurations you have there - but I would not keep this machine online or at least not in my internal network.
regards
That will be difficult as there is not another machine to replace it, its the heart of my network. But the thought of upgrading to jessie has crossed my mind, maybe even stretch. I'm going to look through the logs, and I guess run up to staples and get me a couple 2T drives. My normal upgrade it always to a new drive so I have the old drive available for the legacy stuffs, like my kmail cache that goes back to about 2007.
And this time I think I'll go full 64 bit as some versions of linuxcnc will now run on a 64 bit install. Jessie, on an rpi3b is running my lathe pretty good.
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On Sunday 10 June 2018 05:12:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:39:32 Pisini, John wrote:
Steven Pusser is one of the MX Linux Devs but I can't see him doing that to your machine.
In that event, neither can I. I must have added that repo because it had something I wanted and have forgotten both when and what.
Hopefully you have backups as the machine should really be rebuilt.
That I do, amanda runs every night.
Rebuilt to debian amd64 stretch 9.4, iso coming in now. Next is firmware updates for seagate 2T drives and get another. Then burn a couple dvd's and a cd of the seagate firmware. And a fresh flash of my router's dd-wrt. Busy day ahead.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net
wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:05:32 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Call me puzzled. Or worse.
this doesn't sound good - I would take the machine offline and reinstall from scratch ... unless you are schizophrenic and your other identity is this steven. Cause you won't know what was replaced/installed from this site. Programs might be replaced with compromised etc.
this is my opinion.
you wanted anyway to upgrade some time soon - what you can save are the configurations you have there - but I would not keep this machine online or at least not in my internal network.
regards
That will be difficult as there is not another machine to replace it, its the heart of my network. But the thought of upgrading to jessie has crossed my mind, maybe even stretch. I'm going to look through the logs, and I guess run up to staples and get me a couple 2T drives. My normal upgrade it always to a new drive so I have the old drive available for the legacy stuffs, like my kmail cache that goes back to about 2007.
And this time I think I'll go full 64 bit as some versions of linuxcnc will now run on a 64 bit install. Jessie, on an rpi3b is running my lathe pretty good.
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-- Cheers, Gene Heskett
This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently?
Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my sources.list on an external hard drive.
Bill
On Sunday 10 June 2018 09:29:59 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 05:12:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:39:32 Pisini, John wrote:
Steven Pusser is one of the MX Linux Devs but I can't see him doing that to your machine.
In that event, neither can I. I must have added that repo because it had something I wanted and have forgotten both when and what.
Hopefully you have backups as the machine should really be rebuilt.
That I do, amanda runs every night.
Rebuilt to debian amd64 stretch 9.4, iso coming in now. Next is firmware updates for seagate 2T drives and get another. Then burn a couple dvd's and a cd of the seagate firmware. And a fresh flash of my router's dd-wrt. Busy day ahead.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net
wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:05:32 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Call me puzzled. Or worse.
this doesn't sound good - I would take the machine offline and reinstall from scratch ... unless you are schizophrenic and your other identity is this steven. Cause you won't know what was replaced/installed from this site. Programs might be replaced with compromised etc.
this is my opinion.
you wanted anyway to upgrade some time soon - what you can save are the configurations you have there - but I would not keep this machine online or at least not in my internal network.
regards
That will be difficult as there is not another machine to replace it, its the heart of my network. But the thought of upgrading to jessie has crossed my mind, maybe even stretch. I'm going to look through the logs, and I guess run up to staples and get me a couple 2T drives. My normal upgrade it always to a new drive so I have the old drive available for the legacy stuffs, like my kmail cache that goes back to about 2007.
And this time I think I'll go full 64 bit as some versions of linuxcnc will now run on a 64 bit install. Jessie, on an rpi3b is running my lathe pretty good.
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This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently?
Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon.
Bingo. But the last palemoon needs gtk stuffs newer than wheezy has, so while I was there, I didn't download it THIS time. It was several months ago when I put it in. And its been running rougher recently.
However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my sources.list on an external hard drive.
Bill
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On Sunday 10 June 2018 06:50:38 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 09:29:59 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 05:12:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:39:32 Pisini, John wrote:
Steven Pusser is one of the MX Linux Devs but I can't see him doing that to your machine.
In that event, neither can I. I must have added that repo because it had something I wanted and have forgotten both when and what.
Hopefully you have backups as the machine should really be rebuilt.
That I do, amanda runs every night.
Rebuilt to debian amd64 stretch 9.4, iso coming in now. Next is firmware updates for seagate 2T drives and get another. Then burn a couple dvd's and a cd of the seagate firmware. And a fresh flash of my router's dd-wrt. Busy day ahead.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net
wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:05:32 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote: > Call me puzzled. Or worse.
this doesn't sound good - I would take the machine offline and reinstall from scratch ... unless you are schizophrenic and your other identity is this steven. Cause you won't know what was replaced/installed from this site. Programs might be replaced with compromised etc.
this is my opinion.
you wanted anyway to upgrade some time soon - what you can save are the configurations you have there - but I would not keep this machine online or at least not in my internal network.
regards
That will be difficult as there is not another machine to replace it, its the heart of my network. But the thought of upgrading to jessie has crossed my mind, maybe even stretch. I'm going to look through the logs, and I guess run up to staples and get me a couple 2T drives. My normal upgrade it always to a new drive so I have the old drive available for the legacy stuffs, like my kmail cache that goes back to about 2007.
And this time I think I'll go full 64 bit as some versions of linuxcnc will now run on a 64 bit install. Jessie, on an rpi3b is running my lathe pretty good.
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This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently?
Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon.
Bingo. But the last palemoon needs gtk stuffs newer than wheezy has, so while I was there, I didn't download it THIS time. It was several months ago when I put it in. And its been running rougher recently.
However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my sources.list on an external hard drive.
Bill
I have found Pale Moon to be a pretty nice clone of Firefox/Iceweasel. I can use Mozilla browsers pretty much interchangeably, and once I get them like I want, I just copy everything from one folder to another, so that my Pale Moon, Firefox, Iceweasel, IceCat, SeaMonkey, and all other Mozilla, quasi-Mozilla and pseudo-Mozilla browsers look almost identical, and I have all my custom search engines, extensions, whatever I want. I like to use them for different kinds of searching online. I don't like to use the same browser for everything. I use them each for dedicated tasks; for example, I use SeaMonkey for my one and only social network, and nothing else. I has one cookie in it, and no browsing information at all, except for my maintenance of the blog itself. I use Pale Moon for browsing news sites, etc., and it keeps no history, cookies, etc. And so on, and so on. I like to experiment with the possibilities, and to try out different browsers, and to see how I can configure them to do different tricks. I have got them to fetch, but not yet to roll over or beg.
Anyway, so I backup my sources.list to an external drive: sudo cp -r -v -f /etc/apt/sources.list -t /media/~/sources/debian-jessie/apt/sources.list-20180610.txt (Also, make sure you open up Konqueror or some other file manager as root, and explore /etc/apt/ for whatever else you keep there, especially in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ - which is where you'll find third-party repositories like Opera, Vivaldi, Open Office, and Pale Moon.) However, I don't allow them to write my sources.list; I copy those repositories to my master copy on the external drive, and maintain my sources.list from there. Make sure to rename it to something else; e.g.,with the date of backup. From this I create my master copy of the sources.list, and whenever I update my sources.list, I can overwrite the version in /etc/apt/ sudo cp -r -v -f /media/~/sources/debian-jessie/apt/sources.list -t /etc/apt/ and run sudo apt-get update. By doing this, too, I can update my sources.list on-the-fly, and maintain different versions of it for different repositories.
I set kedit (actually kedit-trinity) to open up my master copy of the sources.list (from my external hard drive), and can edit as I go along, and easily switch between different versions of my sources.list. And I can keep my own personal repository on a flash drive, and use that as my default, and switch back to online repositories whenever I need to download something new.
If this seems either obvious or cumbersome, or highly unorthodox, I can only say that it works for me. I get complete control over my repositories, and do my updates and upgrades manually, so that nothing gets installed automatically.
Glad that I could be of some help. I would hate to think that I was good for nothing.
;-)
Bill
On Sunday 10 June 2018 10:11:32 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 06:50:38 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 09:29:59 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 05:12:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:39:32 Pisini, John wrote:
Steven Pusser is one of the MX Linux Devs but I can't see him doing that to your machine.
In that event, neither can I. I must have added that repo because it had something I wanted and have forgotten both when and what.
Hopefully you have backups as the machine should really be rebuilt.
That I do, amanda runs every night.
Rebuilt to debian amd64 stretch 9.4, iso coming in now. Next is firmware updates for seagate 2T drives and get another. Then burn a couple dvd's and a cd of the seagate firmware. And a fresh flash of my router's dd-wrt. Busy day ahead.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net
wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:05:32 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Call me puzzled. Or worse. > > this doesn't sound good - I would take the machine offline > and reinstall from scratch ... unless you are > schizophrenic and your other identity is this steven. > Cause you won't know what was replaced/installed from this > site. Programs might be replaced with compromised etc. > > this is my opinion. > > you wanted anyway to upgrade some time soon - what you can > save are the configurations you have there - but I would > not keep this machine online or at least not in my > internal network. > > regards
That will be difficult as there is not another machine to replace it, its the heart of my network. But the thought of upgrading to jessie has crossed my mind, maybe even stretch. I'm going to look through the logs, and I guess run up to staples and get me a couple 2T drives. My normal upgrade it always to a new drive so I have the old drive available for the legacy stuffs, like my kmail cache that goes back to about 2007.
And this time I think I'll go full 64 bit as some versions of linuxcnc will now run on a 64 bit install. Jessie, on an rpi3b is running my lathe pretty good.
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-- Cheers, Gene Heskett
This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently?
Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon.
Bingo. But the last palemoon needs gtk stuffs newer than wheezy has, so while I was there, I didn't download it THIS time. It was several months ago when I put it in. And its been running rougher recently.
However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my sources.list on an external hard drive.
Bill
I have found Pale Moon to be a pretty nice clone of Firefox/Iceweasel. I can use Mozilla browsers pretty much interchangeably, and once I get them like I want, I just copy everything from one folder to another, so that my Pale Moon, Firefox, Iceweasel, IceCat, SeaMonkey, and all other Mozilla, quasi-Mozilla and pseudo-Mozilla browsers look almost identical, and I have all my custom search engines, extensions, whatever I want. I like to use them for different kinds of searching online. I don't like to use the same browser for everything. I use them each for dedicated tasks; for example, I use SeaMonkey for my one and only social network, and nothing else. I has one cookie in it, and no browsing information at all, except for my maintenance of the blog itself. I use Pale Moon for browsing news sites, etc., and it keeps no history, cookies, etc. And so on, and so on. I like to experiment with the possibilities, and to try out different browsers, and to see how I can configure them to do different tricks. I have got them to fetch, but not yet to roll over or beg.
Anyway, so I backup my sources.list to an external drive: sudo cp -r -v -f /etc/apt/sources.list -t /media/~/sources/debian-jessie/apt/sources.list-20180610.txt (Also, make sure you open up Konqueror or some other file manager as root, and explore /etc/apt/ for whatever else you keep there, especially in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ - which is where you'll find third-party repositories like Opera, Vivaldi, Open Office, and Pale Moon.) However, I don't allow them to write my sources.list; I copy those repositories to my master copy on the external drive, and maintain my sources.list from there. Make sure to rename it to something else; e.g.,with the date of backup. From this I create my master copy of the sources.list, and whenever I update my sources.list, I can overwrite the version in /etc/apt/ sudo cp -r -v -f /media/~/sources/debian-jessie/apt/sources.list -t /etc/apt/ and run sudo apt-get update. By doing this, too, I can update my sources.list on-the-fly, and maintain different versions of it for different repositories.
I set kedit (actually kedit-trinity) to open up my master copy of the sources.list (from my external hard drive), and can edit as I go along, and easily switch between different versions of my sources.list. And I can keep my own personal repository on a flash drive, and use that as my default, and switch back to online repositories whenever I need to download something new.
If this seems either obvious or cumbersome, or highly unorthodox, I can only say that it works for me. I get complete control over my repositories, and do my updates and upgrades manually, so that nothing gets installed automatically.
Glad that I could be of some help. I would hate to think that I was good for nothing.
;-)
Bill
Chuckle. Yes, thats a bummer feeling. And I'm aged enough that what I say is often out of date by the time it echo's back from the list.
Anyway, I'm off (as soon as I build some lunch and we partake) to first update my dd-wrt install just in case, then once thats back among the living, see if I can figure out how to beat the debian installer into making a BIG /home, and install stretch from iso #1, to a brand new drive.
Then see if I can beat stretch into working with a host based local network. So far, the installs I've done have required a hand applied command to make the gateway register in route -n output. PITA.
Thanks
On Sunday 10 June 2018 06:50:38 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 09:29:59 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 05:12:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:39:32 Pisini, John wrote:
Steven Pusser is one of the MX Linux Devs but I can't see him doing that to your machine.
In that event, neither can I. I must have added that repo because it had something I wanted and have forgotten both when and what.
Hopefully you have backups as the machine should really be rebuilt.
That I do, amanda runs every night.
Rebuilt to debian amd64 stretch 9.4, iso coming in now. Next is firmware updates for seagate 2T drives and get another. Then burn a couple dvd's and a cd of the seagate firmware. And a fresh flash of my router's dd-wrt. Busy day ahead.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net
wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:05:32 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote: > Call me puzzled. Or worse.
this doesn't sound good - I would take the machine offline and reinstall from scratch ... unless you are schizophrenic and your other identity is this steven. Cause you won't know what was replaced/installed from this site. Programs might be replaced with compromised etc.
this is my opinion.
you wanted anyway to upgrade some time soon - what you can save are the configurations you have there - but I would not keep this machine online or at least not in my internal network.
regards
That will be difficult as there is not another machine to replace it, its the heart of my network. But the thought of upgrading to jessie has crossed my mind, maybe even stretch. I'm going to look through the logs, and I guess run up to staples and get me a couple 2T drives. My normal upgrade it always to a new drive so I have the old drive available for the legacy stuffs, like my kmail cache that goes back to about 2007.
And this time I think I'll go full 64 bit as some versions of linuxcnc will now run on a 64 bit install. Jessie, on an rpi3b is running my lathe pretty good.
-- Cheers, Gene Heskett
This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently?
Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon.
Bingo. But the last palemoon needs gtk stuffs newer than wheezy has, so while I was there, I didn't download it THIS time. It was several months ago when I put it in. And its been running rougher recently.
However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my sources.list on an external hard drive.
Bill
There is a Pale Moon repository for Debian Wheezy. (I copied all this from the web page for the Pale Moon repositories, then modified according to my own preferences.) Here is the relevant section from my sources.list (with a lot of notes & instructions commented out):
*********** # PALE MOON # PM repo - Steve Pusser # Add repository and install manually
# For Debian 9.0 run the following as root: # sudo echo 'deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/stevenpusser/Debian_9.0/ /'
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/palemoon.list
# sudo apt-get update # sudo apt-get install palemoon # You can add the repository key to apt. Keep in mind that the owner of the key may distribute updates, # packages and repositories that your system will trust (more information). To add the key, run: # wget -nv https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:stevenpusser/Debian_9.0/Rele... -O Release.key # sudo apt-key add - < Release.key # sudo apt-get update
# Debian 8.x - Jessie # deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/stevenpusser/Debian_8.0/ /
# For Debian 8.0 run the following as root: # sudo echo 'deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/stevenpusser/Debian_8.0/ /'
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/palemoon.list
# sudo apt-get update # sudo apt-get install palemoon # You can add the repository key to apt. Keep in mind that the owner of the key may distribute updates, # packages and repositories that your system will trust (more information). To add the key, run: # wget -nv https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:stevenpusser/Debian_8.0/Rele... -O Release.key # sudo apt-key add - < Release.key # sudo apt-get update
# For Debian 7.0 run the following as root: # sudo echo 'deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/stevenpusser/Debian_7.0/ /'
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/palemoon.list
# sudo apt-get update # sudo apt-get install palemoon
# You can add the repository key to apt. Keep in mind that the owner of the key may distribute updates, # packages and repositories that your system will trust (more information). To add the key, run: # sudo wget -nv https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:stevenpusser/Debian_7.0/Rele... -O Release.key # sudo apt-key add - < Release.key # sudo apt-get update # Grab binary packages directly(show)
# PM repacks repo - Lazlo Kovacs # http://www.kovacsoltvideo.hu/moonchildproductions/ # wget -q http://kovacsoltvideo.hu/moonchildproductions/public.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - # sudo apt-get update # sudo apt-get install palemoon fossamail
# deb http://kovacsoltvideo.hu/moonchildproductions/ ./
***********
You will please note that there is also a repository for Pale Moon that is maintained by another person, one Lazlo Kovacs.
I myself haven't tried the Kovacs repo, nor Wheezy or Stretch; so far I've just used the Debian Jessie version. I assume that they all work about as well as one another.
I have commented out the repository for Jessie, since you don't use it, and I wouldn't want you downloading something by mistake.
Bill
said William Morder:
| This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you have | downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? | | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. However, I | don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo to my | sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my sources.list on an | external hard drive.
This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a computer show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could run to a couple of pages, with us all trying to make our machines a little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was troublesome.
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:19:14 dep wrote:
said William Morder: | This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you have | downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? | | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. However, I | don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo to my | sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my sources.list on an | external hard drive.
This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a computer show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could run to a couple of pages, with us all trying to make our machines a little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was troublesome.
I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place where dinosaurs still roam the earth.
Bill
said William Morder: | On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:19:14 dep wrote: | > said William Morder: | > | This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you have | > | downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? | > | | > | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. However, | > | I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo to my | > | sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my sources.list on | > | an external hard drive. | > | > This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a computer | > show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that | > copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with | > the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could run | > to a couple of pages, with us all trying to make our machines a little | > faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a delicate | > thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. Setting | > comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. That kind of | > thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and turning a | > well-tuned machine into a single-game console was troublesome. | | I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place where | dinosaurs still roam the earth.
Well, where were we supposed to go after they closed down Prodigy and the GeoWorks-based AOL? (Compuserve was too expensive.)
On Sunday 10 June 2018 08:45:52 dep wrote:
said William Morder: | On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:19:14 dep wrote: | > said William Morder: | > | This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you have | > | downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? | > | | > | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. However, | > | I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo to my | > | sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my sources.list on | > | an external hard drive. | > | > This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a computer | > show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that | > copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with | > the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could run | > to a couple of pages, with us all trying to make our machines a little | > faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a delicate | > thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. Setting | > comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. That kind of | > thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and turning a | > well-tuned machine into a single-game console was troublesome. | | I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place where | dinosaurs still roam the earth.
Well, where were we supposed to go after they closed down Prodigy and the GeoWorks-based AOL? (Compuserve was too expensive.)
I am not complaining; I think it's totally cool. Sometimes the old stuff is the best, and deserves to be maintained somewhere or other, kept alive in some obscure corner of the Internet.
Just yesterday I heard about eMovix, which is actually part of k3b. But I had not heard of this use for eMovix, which is to create a bootable CD or DVD of a movie file.
An old friend of mine was one of the designers for TSR's version of D & D, and helped to create a lot of games for TSR and Coleco, as well as doing some other interesting stuff.
Bill
On Sunday 10 June 2018 11:23:37 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:19:14 dep wrote:
said William Morder: | This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you | have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? | | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. | However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo | to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my | sources.list on an external hard drive.
This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a computer show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could run to a couple of pages, with us all trying to make our machines a little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was troublesome.
I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place where dinosaurs still roam the earth.
Bill
They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :)
On Sunday 10 June 2018 10:32:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 11:23:37 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:19:14 dep wrote:
said William Morder: | This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you | have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? | | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. | However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo | to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my | sources.list on an external hard drive.
This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a computer show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could run to a couple of pages, with us all trying to make our machines a little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was troublesome.
I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place where dinosaurs still roam the earth.
Bill
They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :)
I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant?
Bill
On Sunday 10 June 2018 22:48:53 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 10:32:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 11:23:37 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:19:14 dep wrote:
said William Morder: | This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you | have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? | | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. | However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that | repo to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my | sources.list on an external hard drive.
This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a computer show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could run to a couple of pages, with us all trying to make our machines a little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was troublesome.
I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place where dinosaurs still roam the earth.
Bill
They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :)
I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant?
Bill
I'd have to say that mere mortals like us will never know. Ostrich maybe?, its pretty ancient.
Evolution has changed almost everything on this planet in the last 70 million years, including us. The singular exception might be Sharks which are pretty much as they existed even before that big hole in the planets crust was made that we found in the Yucatan, confirming Louise Alvarez's theory. That layer of iridium from that bolide is called the k-t boundary today. And its said to have been only 6 miles wide, yet its long winter caused 95% of this planets life to perish. Thats why we are now trying to keep track of the bigger stuff that might intersect our orbit, and designing means to pulverize and scatter most of it before it hits us, or at least alter its orbit enough to miss this wet rock we call home.
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Am Montag, 11. Juni 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 22:48:53 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 10:32:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 11:23:37 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:19:14 dep wrote:
said William Morder: | This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you | have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? | | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. | However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that | repo to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my | sources.list on an external hard drive.
This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a computer show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could run to a couple of pages, with us all trying to make our machines a little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was troublesome.
I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place where dinosaurs still roam the earth.
Bill
They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :)
I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant?
Bill
I'd have to say that mere mortals like us will never know. Ostrich maybe?, its pretty ancient.
Oh, there has been some reserch on the devolepment of chicken taste in evolution. I haven't found the link on the original pater, but this almost as good :-) https://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume4/v4i4/chicken.htm
Nik
On Monday 11 June 2018 01:02:45 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Montag, 11. Juni 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 22:48:53 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 10:32:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 11:23:37 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:19:14 dep wrote:
said William Morder: | This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you | have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? | | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. | However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that | repo to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my | sources.list on an external hard drive.
This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a computer show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could run to a couple of pages, with us all trying to make our machines a little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was troublesome.
I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place where dinosaurs still roam the earth.
Bill
They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :)
I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant?
Bill
I'd have to say that mere mortals like us will never know. Ostrich maybe?, its pretty ancient.
Oh, there has been some reserch on the devolepment of chicken taste in evolution. I haven't found the link on the original pater, but this almost as good :-) https://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume4/v4i4/chicken.htm
Nik
Our domestic chicken, the humble yardbird, is descended from the jungle fowl (of which there are several species), and originated in Asia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungle_Fowl
So, I wonder what feathered dinosaur was the ancestor of our chicken? Sometimes a species survives by evolving a disgusting taste, and at other times it survives and multiplies because it tastes so good. Maybe that was the strategy of the jungle fowl in becoming the chicken.
Bill
Am Montag, 11. Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder:
On Monday 11 June 2018 01:02:45 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Montag, 11. Juni 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 22:48:53 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 10:32:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 11:23:37 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:19:14 dep wrote: > said William Morder: > | This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you > | have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? > | > | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. > | However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that > | repo to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my > | sources.list on an external hard drive. > > This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a > computer show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install > routine that copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote > autoexec.bat with the name of the executable file. In those days > autoexec.bat could run to a couple of pages, with us all trying > to make our machines a little faster and getting use of memory > above 640k, which was a delicate thing. To say nothing of the > TSR programs many of us ran. Setting comspec right after we > copied command.com to a RAM drive. That kind of thing. So > autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and turning a well-tuned > machine into a single-game console was troublesome.
I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place where dinosaurs still roam the earth.
Bill
They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :)
I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant?
Bill
I'd have to say that mere mortals like us will never know. Ostrich maybe?, its pretty ancient.
Oh, there has been some reserch on the devolepment of chicken taste in evolution. I haven't found the link on the original pater, but this almost as good :-) https://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume4/v4i4/chicken.htm
Nik
Our domestic chicken, the humble yardbird, is descended from the jungle fowl (of which there are several species), and originated in Asia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungle_Fowl
So, I wonder what feathered dinosaur was the ancestor of our chicken? Sometimes a species survives by evolving a disgusting taste, and at other times it survives and multiplies because it tastes so good. Maybe that was the strategy of the jungle fowl in becoming the chicken.
This directly leads to the question: are polititians realy humans or are in realty some kind of highly evolved parasite?
On Monday 11 June 2018 01:54:57 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Montag, 11. Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder:
On Monday 11 June 2018 01:02:45 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Montag, 11. Juni 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 22:48:53 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 10:32:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 11:23:37 William Morder wrote: > On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:19:14 dep wrote: > > said William Morder: > > | This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that > > | you have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? > > | > > | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. > > | However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of > > | that repo to my sources.list manually, then backup and > > | maintain my sources.list on an external hard drive. > > > > This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a > > computer show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install > > routine that copied the program to the hard drive and > > overwrote autoexec.bat with the name of the executable file. > > In those days autoexec.bat could run to a couple of pages, > > with us all trying to make our machines a little faster and > > getting use of memory above 640k, which was a delicate thing. > > To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. Setting > > comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. > > That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, > > and turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console > > was troublesome. > > I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a > place where dinosaurs still roam the earth. > > Bill
They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :)
I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant?
Bill
I'd have to say that mere mortals like us will never know. Ostrich maybe?, its pretty ancient.
Oh, there has been some reserch on the devolepment of chicken taste in evolution. I haven't found the link on the original pater, but this almost as good :-) https://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume4/v4i4/chicken.htm
Nik
Our domestic chicken, the humble yardbird, is descended from the jungle fowl (of which there are several species), and originated in Asia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungle_Fowl
So, I wonder what feathered dinosaur was the ancestor of our chicken? Sometimes a species survives by evolving a disgusting taste, and at other times it survives and multiplies because it tastes so good. Maybe that was the strategy of the jungle fowl in becoming the chicken.
This directly leads to the question: are polititians realy humans or are in realty some kind of highly evolved parasite?
Politicians, like lawyers and accountants, promise to serve our interests, to enrich and strengthen us, but instead by gradual increments steal everything away and put themselves in charge.
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"; politicians and accountants are the second and third steps.
Bill
On Monday 11 June 2018 04:54:57 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
This directly leads to the question: are polititians realy humans or are in realty some kind of highly evolved parasite?
I tend to think of most of them as parasites. They con us into electing them, then fatten up at the public trough, and usually stuff their pockets with lifetime pensions before we vote them out. By that performance, I'd call them a parasite. Most have never done a good days work in their lives. I can think of one or 2 exceptions, but that gets into personalities and is a heck of a good way to start a fight. This list is contentious enough w/o that.
On Monday 11 June 2018 04:16:39 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 June 2018 04:54:57 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
This directly leads to the question: are polititians realy humans or are in realty some kind of highly evolved parasite?
I tend to think of most of them as parasites. They con us into electing them, then fatten up at the public trough, and usually stuff their pockets with lifetime pensions before we vote them out. By that performance, I'd call them a parasite. Most have never done a good days work in their lives. I can think of one or 2 exceptions, but that gets into personalities and is a heck of a good way to start a fight. This list is contentious enough w/o that.
I believe that we all know what's really going on, 'nuff sed. We just differ on interpretation, and on how to solve what's wrong. This world is a lot weirder than the one that I grew up in, that's for sure.
Free software is a good way to go. I don't know if it really can make the world a better place, but at least it seems inherently less harmful. And if nothing else, it's a good diversion, and can open up new opportunities for our pursuits and research and other work.
So even if I might not agree with everything everybody says on the mailing list, I still need to pick your brains. And mostly we're all just trying to help one another.
I think we can all agree on some kind of amorphous THAT. That's why we're here, not politics or religion or anything dogmatic. None of us wants to mess up a good thing.
Bill
On Monday 11 June 2018 09:09:30 William Morder wrote:
On Monday 11 June 2018 04:16:39 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 June 2018 04:54:57 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
This directly leads to the question: are polititians realy humans or are in realty some kind of highly evolved parasite?
I tend to think of most of them as parasites. They con us into electing them, then fatten up at the public trough, and usually stuff their pockets with lifetime pensions before we vote them out. By that performance, I'd call them a parasite. Most have never done a good days work in their lives. I can think of one or 2 exceptions, but that gets into personalities and is a heck of a good way to start a fight. This list is contentious enough w/o that.
I believe that we all know what's really going on, 'nuff sed. We just differ on interpretation, and on how to solve what's wrong. This world is a lot weirder than the one that I grew up in, that's for sure.
That I can agree on with quite a few + votes. But then I was born in '34, and I can still call up the vision of my grandfather crying as he turned off the battery powered radio after listening to the 6 o-clock news the evening of Dec 7th 1941. Born in 1898 He'd lived thru one world war, and he knew this was day 1 of another, and many would die. Sitting down at the dinner table a few minutes later, it took him at least 5 minutes to say grace as he prayed for all those who would give the ultimate gift to our country.
Free software is a good way to go. I don't know if it really can make the world a better place, but at least it seems inherently less harmful. And if nothing else, it's a good diversion, and can open up new opportunities for our pursuits and research and other work.
So even if I might not agree with everything everybody says on the mailing list, I still need to pick your brains. And mostly we're all just trying to help one another.
Amen.
I think we can all agree on some kind of amorphous THAT. That's why we're here, not politics or religion or anything dogmatic. None of us wants to mess up a good thing.
Bill
Well said, Bill.
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-06-10 23:25 (UTC-0400):
William Morder wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
William Morder wrote:
I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place where dinosaurs still roam the earth.
They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :)
I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant?
I'd have to say that mere mortals like us will never know. Ostrich maybe?, its pretty ancient.
Evolution has changed almost everything on this planet in the last 70 million years, including us.
"Evolution" as taught in public schools and universities is 6/7 religion, 1/7 science. http://www.ep.tc/problems/59/ is a relatively short 1974 comic that explains without fractions.
Evolution as taught has 7 meanings, only one of which is proven science. The rest is entirely based on faith in various theories that have not been and almost certainly will not ever be proven. More at http://www.icr.org/ and elsewhere.
On Sunday 17 June 2018 20:52:34 Felix Miata wrote:
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-06-10 23:25 (UTC-0400):
William Morder wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
William Morder wrote:
I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place where dinosaurs still roam the earth.
They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :)
I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant?
I'd have to say that mere mortals like us will never know. Ostrich maybe?, its pretty ancient.
Evolution has changed almost everything on this planet in the last 70 million years, including us.
"Evolution" as taught in public schools and universities is 6/7 religion, 1/7 science. http://www.ep.tc/problems/59/ is a relatively short 1974 comic that explains without fractions.
Evolution as taught has 7 meanings, only one of which is proven science. The rest is entirely based on faith in various theories that have not been and almost certainly will not ever be proven. More at http://www.icr.org/ and elsewhere.
I believe it's fine for us to express our opinions on subjects about which we disagree in our individual ways. However, if we start to debate evolution versus religion, then I think (or maybe, I believe) that we need to start another thread, if not indeed a separate forum, list, or whatever.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, we're all here for the same reason: that amorphous THAT (which is TDE, Linux, free software, etc.), and I hope that our common interest in THAT doesn't get derailed by disputes.
Anyway, I am comfortable with my own beliefs, and do not feel the need to bring enlightenment to others (unless of course they beg me to teach them, and offer YUGE sums of cold hard cash).
Bill
William Morder composed on 2018-06-19 15:52 (UTC-0700):
Felix Miata wrote:
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-06-10 23:25 (UTC-0400):
Evolution has changed almost everything on this planet in the last 70 million years, including us.
"Evolution" as taught in public schools and universities is 6/7 religion, 1/7 science. http://www.ep.tc/problems/59/ is a relatively short 1974 comic that explains without fractions.
Evolution as taught has 7 meanings, only one of which is proven science. The rest is entirely based on faith in various theories that have not been and almost certainly will not ever be proven. More at http://www.icr.org/ and elsewhere.
I believe it's fine for us to express our opinions on subjects about which we disagree in our individual ways. However, if we start to debate evolution versus religion,
It's not a versus. Evolution IS a religion:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t ... 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:...
"Evolution", as taught, is not subject to proof. As taught it's all based on theories, aka beliefs. Micro-evolution is without question real and provable, but micro-evolution is not taught as distinguishable from the other 6 types of unprovable evolution, such as that which says dinosaurs and man did not coexist. Technically, it's arguably true that dinosaurs didn't, because "dinosaur" is a word originally created during the 19th century. Before then, the creatures since referred to as dinosaurs were called dragons, and there has been found much art on the walls of caves and elsewhere created many tens of centuries ago that indicate man was interacting with living dragons.
then I think (or maybe, I believe) that we need to start another thread, if not indeed a separate forum, list, or whatever.
One of my reasons to reply was to highlight the unending inane off-topic threads about coffee, chocolate & dinosaurs polluting this list and its archive. If dinosaurs are OK, then anything should go. I'd like to see OT stuff keep to a minimum or less.
On Tue June 19 2018 17:31:18 Felix Miata wrote:
One of my reasons to reply was to highlight the unending inane off-topic threads about coffee, chocolate & dinosaurs polluting this list and its archive. If dinosaurs are OK, then anything should go. I'd like to see OT stuff keep to a minimum or less.
Agreed. Neither coffee nor distorted anti-science videos have a place here.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/377-billion-year-old-fossils-stake-ne...
Chatter can help build community but maybe someone could create a trinity-ot list so we can restore the s/n ratio here.
--Mike
On Tuesday 19 June 2018 17:48:52 Mike Bird wrote:
On Tue June 19 2018 17:31:18 Felix Miata wrote:
One of my reasons to reply was to highlight the unending inane off-topic threads about coffee, chocolate & dinosaurs polluting this list and its archive. If dinosaurs are OK, then anything should go. I'd like to see OT stuff keep to a minimum or less.
Agreed. Neither coffee nor distorted anti-science videos have a place here.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/377-billion-year-old-fossils-stake-n ew-claim-oldest-evidence-life
Chatter can help build community but maybe someone could create a trinity-ot list so we can restore the s/n ratio here.
--Mike
Yeah, I think that we make these little offhand comments, but then it snowballs into something bigger, and soon there is an avalanche. Yet, maybe there is a place for that, since it helps us to know one another. Otherwise, it would be like talking to a customer service rep. All the same, there can be too much of a good thing, and a couple of our threads have dragged on past levity and silliness.
Maybe just an OT list, where we can get silly.
Bill
On Tuesday 19 June 2018 17:31:18 Felix Miata wrote:
William Morder composed on 2018-06-19 15:52 (UTC-0700):
Felix Miata wrote:
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-06-10 23:25 (UTC-0400):
Evolution has changed almost everything on this planet in the last 70 million years, including us.
"Evolution" as taught in public schools and universities is 6/7 religion, 1/7 science. http://www.ep.tc/problems/59/ is a relatively short 1974 comic that explains without fractions.
Evolution as taught has 7 meanings, only one of which is proven science. The rest is entirely based on faith in various theories that have not been and almost certainly will not ever be proven. More at http://www.icr.org/ and elsewhere.
I believe it's fine for us to express our opinions on subjects about which we disagree in our individual ways. However, if we start to debate evolution versus religion,
It's not a versus. Evolution IS a religion:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t ... 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:...
"Evolution", as taught, is not subject to proof. As taught it's all based on theories, aka beliefs. Micro-evolution is without question real and provable, but micro-evolution is not taught as distinguishable from the other 6 types of unprovable evolution, such as that which says dinosaurs and man did not coexist. Technically, it's arguably true that dinosaurs didn't, because "dinosaur" is a word originally created during the 19th century. Before then, the creatures since referred to as dinosaurs were called dragons, and there has been found much art on the walls of caves and elsewhere created many tens of centuries ago that indicate man was interacting with living dragons.
then I think (or maybe, I believe) that we need to start another thread, if not indeed a separate forum, list, or whatever.
One of my reasons to reply was to highlight the unending inane off-topic threads about coffee, chocolate & dinosaurs polluting this list and its archive. If dinosaurs are OK, then anything should go. I'd like to see OT stuff keep to a minimum or less.
I would like to debate you just to show that you don't know what you are talking about, either in religion or science (since history of religion and comparative mythology is my background). However, I do agree about the endless off-topic posts.
Also, as I said, I don't feel the need to try to prove or disprove anything, as it will not actually convince you of anything, except what you already believe. But I am quite content to allow you to keep on believing whatever you like, so long as you don't try to convert me to your own beliefs.
On the other hand, as I pointed out, trying to force other people into a rigid regime will only destroy us all. I think people here are just letting off steam; and anyway, when we go off-topic, it is usually confined to a single thread. Others tend to stick to the topic.
Maybe we can all agree to be civil and polite, if not always to agree? I would hate to imagine that we cannot find some way to get along without the help of moderators or policing.
Maybe somebody can just cry "uncle"?
Bill
I did not answer at first because I think everyone is free to believe or not, but this time too much is simply wrong.
On Wednesday 20 June 2018 02.31:18 Felix Miata wrote:
It's not a versus. Evolution IS a religion:
It's definitely *not*
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t ... 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:...
"Evolution", as taught, is not subject to proof.
This is wrong. Just as some may kill member of other religions although theirs tell them not to, I can't make sure that there are not some who "teach" evolution as a religion, but evolution is a *theory*, that itself has evolved once first proposed. It has evolved because scientific evidence has showed that proposed explanations did not fit to facts
As taught it's all based on theories, aka beliefs.
Wrong again. A theory is driven by *facts*. It's a model that needs to be modified if it's not able to explain new facts that are discoverd.
Micro-evolution is without question real and provable, but micro-evolution is not taught as distinguishable from the other 6 types of unprovable evolution, such as that which says dinosaurs and man did not coexist.
This simply comes from the fact that datation methods (which by the way use the same physics that are used in CERN to improve another model, which tries to explain how matter is made) show that dinosaurs disappeared 65 millions years ago while man in its modern form is some two million years old.
That's as if you said it is unprovable that I could not meet Darwin.
Technically, it's arguably true that dinosaurs didn't, because "dinosaur" is a word originally created during the 19th century. Before then, the creatures since referred to as dinosaurs were called dragons, and there has been found much art on the walls of caves and elsewhere created many tens of centuries ago that indicate man was interacting with living dragons.
From which not a single bone has ever been found. My daughter draws a lot of "animals" that have never existed, and never will exit. (I admit she does not draw on a cave).
then I think (or maybe, I believe) that we need to start another thread, if not indeed a separate forum, list, or whatever.
True. I doubt TDE will ever "evolve" to clear this sort of things :)
One of my reasons to reply was to highlight the unending inane off-topic threads about coffee, chocolate & dinosaurs polluting this list and its archive. If dinosaurs are OK, then anything should go. I'd like to see OT stuff keep to a minimum or less.
On Tuesday 19 June 2018 22:29:20 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
I did not answer at first because I think everyone is free to believe or not, but this time too much is simply wrong.
On Wednesday 20 June 2018 02.31:18 Felix Miata wrote:
It's not a versus. Evolution IS a religion:
It's definitely *not*
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t ... 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:...
"Evolution", as taught, is not subject to proof.
This is wrong. Just as some may kill member of other religions although theirs tell them not to, I can't make sure that there are not some who "teach" evolution as a religion, but evolution is a *theory*, that itself has evolved once first proposed. It has evolved because scientific evidence has showed that proposed explanations did not fit to facts
As taught it's all based on theories, aka beliefs.
Wrong again. A theory is driven by *facts*. It's a model that needs to be modified if it's not able to explain new facts that are discoverd.
Micro-evolution is without question real and provable, but micro-evolution is not taught as distinguishable from the other 6 types of unprovable evolution, such as that which says dinosaurs and man did not coexist.
This simply comes from the fact that datation methods (which by the way use the same physics that are used in CERN to improve another model, which tries to explain how matter is made) show that dinosaurs disappeared 65 millions years ago while man in its modern form is some two million years old.
That's as if you said it is unprovable that I could not meet Darwin.
Technically, it's arguably true that dinosaurs didn't, because "dinosaur" is a word originally created during the 19th century. Before then, the creatures since referred to as dinosaurs were called dragons, and there has been found much art on the walls of caves and elsewhere created many tens of centuries ago that indicate man was interacting with living dragons.
From which not a single bone has ever been found. My daughter draws a lot of "animals" that have never existed, and never will exit. (I admit she does not draw on a cave).
then I think (or maybe, I believe) that we need to start another thread, if not indeed a separate forum, list, or whatever.
True. I doubt TDE will ever "evolve" to clear this sort of things :)
One of my reasons to reply was to highlight the unending inane off-topic threads about coffee, chocolate & dinosaurs polluting this list and its archive. If dinosaurs are OK, then anything should go. I'd like to see OT stuff keep to a minimum or less.
Thanks for speaking for myself and others on behalf of science.
Yet while I agree with you about the science, and disagree with Felix (and probably others) about religion, I still hold that they are free to believe whatever they want. I only ask that we can coexist in peace. I will leave you in your ignorance, if you agree likewise to leave me in mine.
Furthermore, even whether or not I agree with them, I still recognize their contributions to the list; and Felix has made many useful suggestions.
But I don't think that we can put a stop to off-topic threads merely by making stricter rules, or policing by heavy-handed moderators. It seems to me that we need a separate list or thread in which we can discuss all our off-topic silly or contentious rants; and which others will then be free to ignore.
For anybody who wishes to know what I think about dragons (and why they are not, and never were, dinosaurs), I've attached a text file. Anybody who wants to continue the conversation can write directly to my email address, rather than dragging out this thread.
Mythology and religion do not necessarily have to be in conflict with science; but when these things are politicized (as everything else nowadays), contradictions arise where really there are none.
Bill
P.S. See attachment (if you choose).
On Wednesday 20 June 2018 09.06:53 William Morder wrote:
Yet while I agree with you about the science, and disagree with Felix (and probably others) about religion, I still hold that they are free to believe whatever they want. I only ask that we can coexist in peace. I will leave you in your ignorance, if you agree likewise to leave me in mine.
I totaly agree with you about that.
Furthermore, even whether or not I agree with them, I still recognize their contributions to the list; and Felix has made many useful suggestions.
I hope my English never made me imply he didn't. And I do hope we can disagree about things without animosity.
Thierry
On Wednesday 20 June 2018 01:08:22 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2018 09.06:53 William Morder wrote:
Yet while I agree with you about the science, and disagree with Felix (and probably others) about religion, I still hold that they are free to believe whatever they want. I only ask that we can coexist in peace. I will leave you in your ignorance, if you agree likewise to leave me in mine.
I totaly agree with you about that.
Furthermore, even whether or not I agree with them, I still recognize their contributions to the list; and Felix has made many useful suggestions.
I hope my English never made me imply he didn't. And I do hope we can disagree about things without animosity.
Thierry
The next time anybody falls down (instead of up), he or she ought to be reminded that gravity, too, is just a "theory". You are confounding the vulgar sense of the word (as used in newspapers and popular writing) with its technical sense.
When scientists use the term *theory*, it is in the original Greek technical sense of a "vision", something imagined or visualized. Einstein spoke of his theory of relativity as a kind of myth, and also explained the inner workings of the atom by a kind of myth. Suppose that you have a watch that cannot be opened; you see the hands move round, one faster than the other, so you create a vision in your mind that seems to explain it. You still cannot open the watch, but your vision, or myth, accounts for all the variables.
Even by using the Hadron collider, scientists still will not be able to open atoms and view subatomic particles. They study the traces left by those experiments, but they never (at least, not yet) actually can look inside and handle the thing itself.
While these explanations are just theories, we can use them with enough precision to create atomic bombs, send spacecraft to distant planets, and power our cities by electricity.
If religious people could avoid the tendency to fundamentalist (to turn ideas into things, or things into ideas, and misinterpret spiritual principles in physical terms), maybe humanity could get themselves reasonably united enough to save our home planet before it's too late. When the Bible speaks of the earth as God's footstool, surely this is intended as a figure of speech; we should not get hung up on such things any more than we demand that the words *sunrise* and *sunset* be understood literally.
Moreover, neither science nor religion will ever arrive at some absolute, final understanding of the universe. There will always be something more, just out of our reach, which we must imagine, so that we can use our theories to advance our knowledge of the universe.
Bill
On Wednesday 20 June 2018 01:08:22 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2018 09.06:53 William Morder wrote:
Yet while I agree with you about the science, and disagree with Felix (and probably others) about religion, I still hold that they are free to believe whatever they want. I only ask that we can coexist in peace. I will leave you in your ignorance, if you agree likewise to leave me in mine.
I totaly agree with you about that.
Furthermore, even whether or not I agree with them, I still recognize their contributions to the list; and Felix has made many useful suggestions.
I hope my English never made me imply he didn't. And I do hope we can disagree about things without animosity.
Thierry
No, I didn't mean to imply anything like that! I was using English is a colloquial, somewhat sloppy manner. By "you" I did not mean you, vous or tu, nor even any other actual person; it was addressed to an unseen, rhetorical "you" - whoever might wish to obstruct or restrict our right to free thought, free speech, as well as freedom of religion or philosophy, or even freedom from it.
I am actually pretty much in agreement with you yourself about science and what it is.
Bill
On 20 June 2018 at 00:06, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com wrote:
... P.S. See attachment (if you choose).
Thanks to Bill for the attachment. Like many other ways, the idea of "dragon" can be seen as a means to understanding spiritual struggles that each person faces in this physical life. -R
Robert Peters wrote:
Thanks to Bill for the attachment. Like many other ways, the idea of "dragon" can be seen as a means to understanding spiritual struggles that each person faces in this physical life.
one very often forgets that people ate on purpose or by mistake magic mushrooms or similar hallucinogenic substances. No wonder they were seeing all kinds of things.
The symbolism of course is different story and it is quite interesting, but too long to go into detail.
regards
weird. as i was reading this just now, alton brown on "good eats" was speculating whether dinosaurs would have tasted like chicken. and no, i am not making this up. the episode is entitled "a bird in the pan," and the discussion is about three minutes in. amazing coincidence.
dep
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On Sunday 10 June 2018 10:32:55 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 10 June 2018 11:23:37 William Morder wrote: > > On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:19:14 dep wrote: > > > said William Morder: > > > | This is just a wild guess ... but is there any chance that you > > > | have downloaded the Pale Moon browser recently? > > > | > > > | Steven Pusser's repo appears after you download Pale Moon. > > > | However, I don't allow that to happen. I copy the URL of that repo > > > | to my sources.list manually, then backup and maintain my > > > | sources.list on an external hard drive. > > > > > > This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a computer > > > show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that > > > copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with > > > the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could > > > run to a couple of pages, with us all trying to make our machines a > > > little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a > > > delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. > > > Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. > > > That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and > > > turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was > > > troublesome. > > > > I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > > where dinosaurs still roam the earth. > > > > Bill > > They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :) I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant? Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
On Sunday 10 June 2018 20:36:31 dep wrote:
weird. as i was reading this just now, alton brown on "good eats" was speculating whether dinosaurs would have tasted like chicken. and no, i am not making this up. the episode is entitled "a bird in the pan," and the discussion is about three minutes in. amazing coincidence.
dep
Now that is funny! I am just riffing off the top of my head. I didn't see the show, and only vaguely know it. I watch a several cooking shows, but that's not one of them.
Don't they say that the crocodilians (including alligators, caimans, etc.) are basically living fossils, that haven't changed much since the time of dinosaurs, except to get smaller on the whole? There are people, I know, who have eaten them, so maybe there is a clue.
*SNIP*
> This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a
computer > > > show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that > > > copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with > > > the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could > > > run to a couple of pages, with us all trying to make our machines a > > > little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a > > > delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. > > > Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. > > > That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat was a nontrivial thing, and > > > turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was > > > troublesome. > > > > I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > > where dinosaurs still roam the earth. > > > > Bill > > They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :) I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant? Bill
And here I was, ready to pounce on the first person who was itching for a fight, who would try to say that mythological dragons, for instance, were some kind of dim memory of dinosaurs, or creative attempts to explain dinosaur fossils.
Yes, in fact I do know that many dinosaurs (we now discover) had feathers. Also, humans and dinosaurs were never* living at the same time.
[* At least, "never", as far as current science know. But then we also used to say that Homo sapiens never interbred with other humans, such as Neanderthals; and we now know that they did, and that all non-Africans (Europeans and Asians, mostly) have some Neanderthal genes; and that Neanderthals often had red hair.]
Most attempts to explain mythological dragons by the backwards logic of referring to dinosaurs are, we find, unconsciously influenced by later literature - mostly science fiction and fantasy. Again, since humans were never around at the same time as dinosaurs, they could have no memory of them to feel the need to explain them away; and enormous dinosaur fossils, when they were discovered, were usually thought to be the bones of the Giants (that is, the Titans of Greek myth, the Vanir of Norse myth, and so on).
Mythological dragons are altogether different; but if I go there, we will need to start not just a new thread, but a separate forum!
It will be interesting, if we all survive long enough to witness such events, whether we can actually succeed in cloning and resurrecting extinct species from their recovered DNA. I don't know about dinosaurs as such; but I think it would be great to have woolly mammoths and some other species. And dodo birds would make an excellent food source, it seems.
When the human race is forced to evacuate the wasteland of our future earth, and a lucky few will get to colonize other planets, maybe we can take some of our animals with us.
Bill
This post got me thinking. since Konqui the dragon is the KDE community's animal mascot, has anyone given thought to Trinity DE having an animal mascot? I nominate Corvus Corax (raven). I did get to eat alligator once, but it was such a small piece, I didn't notice anything distinct about it. It may very well taste like chicken, but I can't say for sure unless I get a chance to eat a larger amount someday. Cheers
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 20:36:31 dep wrote:
weird. as i was reading this just now, alton brown on "good eats" was speculating whether dinosaurs would have tasted like chicken. and no, i
am
not making this up. the episode is entitled "a bird in the pan," and the discussion is about three minutes in. amazing coincidence.
dep
Now that is funny! I am just riffing off the top of my head. I didn't see the show, and only vaguely know it. I watch a several cooking shows, but that's not one of them.
Don't they say that the crocodilians (including alligators, caimans, etc.) are basically living fossils, that haven't changed much since the time of dinosaurs, except to get smaller on the whole? There are people, I know, who have eaten them, so maybe there is a clue.
*SNIP*
> > This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a
computer > > > show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that > > > copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with > > > the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could > > > run to a couple of pages, with us all trying
to
make our machines a > > > little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a > > > delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. > > > Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. > > > That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat
was
a nontrivial thing, and > > > turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was > > > troublesome. > > > > I swear, this
mailing
list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > > where dinosaurs still roam the earth. > > > > Bill > > They still roam the earth, Bill,
except
now we call them birds. :) I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant? Bill
And here I was, ready to pounce on the first person who was itching for a fight, who would try to say that mythological dragons, for instance, were some kind of dim memory of dinosaurs, or creative attempts to explain dinosaur fossils.
Yes, in fact I do know that many dinosaurs (we now discover) had feathers. Also, humans and dinosaurs were never* living at the same time.
[* At least, "never", as far as current science know. But then we also used to say that Homo sapiens never interbred with other humans, such as Neanderthals; and we now know that they did, and that all non-Africans (Europeans and Asians, mostly) have some Neanderthal genes; and that Neanderthals often had red hair.]
Most attempts to explain mythological dragons by the backwards logic of referring to dinosaurs are, we find, unconsciously influenced by later literature - mostly science fiction and fantasy. Again, since humans were never around at the same time as dinosaurs, they could have no memory of them to feel the need to explain them away; and enormous dinosaur fossils, when they were discovered, were usually thought to be the bones of the Giants (that is, the Titans of Greek myth, the Vanir of Norse myth, and so on).
Mythological dragons are altogether different; but if I go there, we will need to start not just a new thread, but a separate forum!
It will be interesting, if we all survive long enough to witness such events, whether we can actually succeed in cloning and resurrecting extinct species from their recovered DNA. I don't know about dinosaurs as such; but I think it would be great to have woolly mammoths and some other species. And dodo birds would make an excellent food source, it seems.
When the human race is forced to evacuate the wasteland of our future earth, and a lucky few will get to colonize other planets, maybe we can take some of our animals with us.
Bill
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T stands for?
turtle, tortoise turkey tarantula Tricerotops (sp?) it's got "trinity" in it T Rex
Just riffing on possibilities for animal mascots.
Bill
On Tuesday 12 June 2018 21:33:45 elcaseti wrote:
This post got me thinking. since Konqui the dragon is the KDE community's animal mascot, has anyone given thought to Trinity DE having an animal mascot? I nominate Corvus Corax (raven). I did get to eat alligator once, but it was such a small piece, I didn't notice anything distinct about it. It may very well taste like chicken, but I can't say for sure unless I get a chance to eat a larger amount someday. Cheers
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com
wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 20:36:31 dep wrote:
weird. as i was reading this just now, alton brown on "good eats" was speculating whether dinosaurs would have tasted like chicken. and no, i
am
not making this up. the episode is entitled "a bird in the pan," and the discussion is about three minutes in. amazing coincidence.
dep
Now that is funny! I am just riffing off the top of my head. I didn't see the show, and only vaguely know it. I watch a several cooking shows, but that's not one of them.
Don't they say that the crocodilians (including alligators, caimans, etc.) are basically living fossils, that haven't changed much since the time of dinosaurs, except to get smaller on the whole? There are people, I know, who have eaten them, so maybe there is a clue.
*SNIP*
> > > This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a
computer > > > show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that > > > copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote autoexec.bat with > > > the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could > > > run to a couple of pages, with us all trying
to
make our machines a > > > little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a > > > delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. > > > Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. > > > That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat
was
a nontrivial thing, and > > > turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was > > > troublesome. > > > > I swear, this
mailing
list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > > where dinosaurs still roam the earth. > > > > Bill > > They still roam the earth, Bill,
except
now we call them birds. :) I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant? Bill
And here I was, ready to pounce on the first person who was itching for a fight, who would try to say that mythological dragons, for instance, were some kind of dim memory of dinosaurs, or creative attempts to explain dinosaur fossils.
Yes, in fact I do know that many dinosaurs (we now discover) had feathers. Also, humans and dinosaurs were never* living at the same time.
[* At least, "never", as far as current science know. But then we also used to say that Homo sapiens never interbred with other humans, such as Neanderthals; and we now know that they did, and that all non-Africans (Europeans and Asians, mostly) have some Neanderthal genes; and that Neanderthals often had red hair.]
Most attempts to explain mythological dragons by the backwards logic of referring to dinosaurs are, we find, unconsciously influenced by later literature - mostly science fiction and fantasy. Again, since humans were never around at the same time as dinosaurs, they could have no memory of them to feel the need to explain them away; and enormous dinosaur fossils, when they were discovered, were usually thought to be the bones of the Giants (that is, the Titans of Greek myth, the Vanir of Norse myth, and so on).
Mythological dragons are altogether different; but if I go there, we will need to start not just a new thread, but a separate forum!
It will be interesting, if we all survive long enough to witness such events, whether we can actually succeed in cloning and resurrecting extinct species from their recovered DNA. I don't know about dinosaurs as such; but I think it would be great to have woolly mammoths and some other species. And dodo birds would make an excellent food source, it seems.
When the human race is forced to evacuate the wasteland of our future earth, and a lucky few will get to colonize other planets, maybe we can take some of our animals with us.
Bill
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Hmm, triceratops does seem awfully appropriate, with its three horns. Of course, we'd have to put up with jokes about being old fashioned dinosaurs, which might have a little truth to it :)
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 9:50 PM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com wrote:
T stands for?
turtle, tortoise turkey tarantula Tricerotops (sp?) it's got "trinity" in it T Rex
Just riffing on possibilities for animal mascots.
Bill
On Tuesday 12 June 2018 21:33:45 elcaseti wrote:
This post got me thinking. since Konqui the dragon is the KDE
community's
animal mascot, has anyone given thought to Trinity DE having an animal mascot? I nominate Corvus Corax (raven). I did get to eat alligator
once,
but it was such a small piece, I didn't notice anything distinct about
it.
It may very well taste like chicken, but I can't say for sure unless I
get
a chance to eat a larger amount someday. Cheers
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 20:36:31 dep wrote:
weird. as i was reading this just now, alton brown on "good eats" was speculating whether dinosaurs would have tasted like chicken. and
no, i
am
not making this up. the episode is entitled "a bird in the pan," and the discussion is about three minutes in. amazing coincidence.
dep
Now that is funny! I am just riffing off the top of my head. I didn't
see
the show, and only vaguely know it. I watch a several cooking shows, but that's not one of them.
Don't they say that the crocodilians (including alligators, caimans, etc.) are basically living fossils, that haven't changed much since the time of dinosaurs, except to get smaller on the whole? There are people, I
know,
who have eaten them, so maybe there is a clue.
*SNIP*
> > > > This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5
at a
computer > > > show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that > > > copied the program to the hard drive and
overwrote
autoexec.bat with > > > the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could > > > run to a couple of pages, with us all trying
to
make our machines a > > > little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a > > > delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. > > > Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. > > > That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat
was
a nontrivial thing, and > > > turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was > > > troublesome. > > > > I swear, this
mailing
list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > > where dinosaurs
still
roam the earth. > > > > Bill > > They still roam the earth, Bill,
except
now we call them birds. :) I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant? Bill
And here I was, ready to pounce on the first person who was itching
for a
fight, who would try to say that mythological dragons, for instance,
were
some kind of dim memory of dinosaurs, or creative attempts to explain dinosaur fossils.
Yes, in fact I do know that many dinosaurs (we now discover) had feathers. Also, humans and dinosaurs were never* living at the same
time.
[* At least, "never", as far as current science know. But then we also used to say that Homo sapiens never interbred with other humans, such as Neanderthals; and we now know that they did, and that all non-Africans (Europeans and Asians, mostly) have some Neanderthal genes; and that Neanderthals often had red hair.]
Most attempts to explain mythological dragons by the backwards logic of referring to dinosaurs are, we find, unconsciously influenced by later literature - mostly science fiction and fantasy. Again, since humans
were
never around at the same time as dinosaurs, they could have no memory
of
them to feel the need to explain them away; and enormous dinosaur fossils, when they were discovered, were usually thought to be the bones of the Giants (that is, the Titans of Greek myth, the Vanir of Norse myth, and so on).
Mythological dragons are altogether different; but if I go there, we
will
need to start not just a new thread, but a separate forum!
It will be interesting, if we all survive long enough to witness such events, whether we can actually succeed in cloning and resurrecting extinct species from their recovered DNA. I don't know about dinosaurs as such; but I think it would be great to have woolly mammoths and some other species. And dodo birds would make an excellent food source, it seems.
When the human race is forced to evacuate the wasteland of our future earth, and a lucky few will get to colonize other planets, maybe we can take some of our animals with us.
Bill
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I was thinking the same thing. TDE is a little like a dinosaur that has been resurrected; but it's a dinosaur that deserved better. The old KDE3 desktop suffered from a kind of artificial extinction from unnatural selection.
There is of course T. Rex.
Then again, maybe we ought to just make up our own dinosaur? It could be both a dinosaur, and mythical.
Bill
On Tuesday 12 June 2018 22:05:39 elcaseti wrote:
Hmm, triceratops does seem awfully appropriate, with its three horns. Of course, we'd have to put up with jokes about being old fashioned dinosaurs, which might have a little truth to it :)
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 9:50 PM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com
wrote:
T stands for?
turtle, tortoise turkey tarantula Tricerotops (sp?) it's got "trinity" in it T Rex
Just riffing on possibilities for animal mascots.
Bill
On Tuesday 12 June 2018 21:33:45 elcaseti wrote:
This post got me thinking. since Konqui the dragon is the KDE
community's
animal mascot, has anyone given thought to Trinity DE having an animal mascot? I nominate Corvus Corax (raven). I did get to eat alligator
once,
but it was such a small piece, I didn't notice anything distinct about
it.
It may very well taste like chicken, but I can't say for sure unless I
get
a chance to eat a larger amount someday. Cheers
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 20:36:31 dep wrote:
weird. as i was reading this just now, alton brown on "good eats" was speculating whether dinosaurs would have tasted like chicken. and
no, i
am
not making this up. the episode is entitled "a bird in the pan," and the discussion is about three minutes in. amazing coincidence.
dep
Now that is funny! I am just riffing off the top of my head. I didn't
see
the show, and only vaguely know it. I watch a several cooking shows, but that's not one of them.
Don't they say that the crocodilians (including alligators, caimans, etc.) are basically living fossils, that haven't changed much since the time of dinosaurs, except to get smaller on the whole? There are people, I
know,
who have eaten them, so maybe there is a clue.
*SNIP*
> > > > > This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5
at a
computer > > > show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install routine that > > > copied the program to the hard drive and
overwrote
autoexec.bat with > > > the name of the executable file. In those days autoexec.bat could > > > run to a couple of pages, with us all trying
to
make our machines a > > > little faster and getting use of memory above 640k, which was a > > > delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. > > > Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM drive. > > > That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat
was
a nontrivial thing, and > > > turning a well-tuned machine into a single-game console was > > > troublesome. > > > > I swear, this
mailing
list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > > where dinosaurs
still
roam the earth. > > > > Bill > > They still roam the earth, Bill,
except
now we call them birds. :) I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant? Bill
And here I was, ready to pounce on the first person who was itching
for a
fight, who would try to say that mythological dragons, for instance,
were
some kind of dim memory of dinosaurs, or creative attempts to explain dinosaur fossils.
Yes, in fact I do know that many dinosaurs (we now discover) had feathers. Also, humans and dinosaurs were never* living at the same
time.
[* At least, "never", as far as current science know. But then we also used to say that Homo sapiens never interbred with other humans, such as Neanderthals; and we now know that they did, and that all non-Africans (Europeans and Asians, mostly) have some Neanderthal genes; and that Neanderthals often had red hair.]
Most attempts to explain mythological dragons by the backwards logic of referring to dinosaurs are, we find, unconsciously influenced by later literature - mostly science fiction and fantasy. Again, since humans
were
never around at the same time as dinosaurs, they could have no memory
of
them to feel the need to explain them away; and enormous dinosaur fossils, when they were discovered, were usually thought to be the bones of the Giants (that is, the Titans of Greek myth, the Vanir of Norse myth, and so on).
Mythological dragons are altogether different; but if I go there, we
will
need to start not just a new thread, but a separate forum!
It will be interesting, if we all survive long enough to witness such events, whether we can actually succeed in cloning and resurrecting extinct species from their recovered DNA. I don't know about dinosaurs as such; but I think it would be great to have woolly mammoths and some other species. And dodo birds would make an excellent food source, it seems.
When the human race is forced to evacuate the wasteland of our future earth, and a lucky few will get to colonize other planets, maybe we can take some of our animals with us.
Bill
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On Wednesday 13 June 2018 01:32:13 William Morder wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. TDE is a little like a dinosaur that has been resurrected; but it's a dinosaur that deserved better. The old KDE3 desktop suffered from a kind of artificial extinction from unnatural selection.
There is of course T. Rex.
Then again, maybe we ought to just make up our own dinosaur? It could be both a dinosaur, and mythical.
Bill
I like that idea, something like a cross between a teradactyl and a velociraptor? The velo ran down its lunch so its considered fast, and the tera flew, which would also be fast. And so is TDE in comparison to the KDE its developed from because the guys have taken the time to clean it up and optimize it. A lot. We ought to play pin the tail with all the parts till we find the one config thats all around good.
Unforch my ideas are not accompanied by the artistic talent to draw the critter.
On Tuesday 12 June 2018 22:05:39 elcaseti wrote:
Hmm, triceratops does seem awfully appropriate, with its three horns. Of course, we'd have to put up with jokes about being old fashioned dinosaurs, which might have a little truth to it :)
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 9:50 PM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com
wrote:
T stands for?
turtle, tortoise turkey tarantula Tricerotops (sp?) it's got "trinity" in it T Rex
Just riffing on possibilities for animal mascots.
Bill
On Tuesday 12 June 2018 21:33:45 elcaseti wrote:
This post got me thinking. since Konqui the dragon is the KDE
community's
animal mascot, has anyone given thought to Trinity DE having an animal mascot? I nominate Corvus Corax (raven). I did get to eat alligator
once,
but it was such a small piece, I didn't notice anything distinct about
it.
It may very well taste like chicken, but I can't say for sure unless I
get
a chance to eat a larger amount someday. Cheers
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2018 20:36:31 dep wrote:
weird. as i was reading this just now, alton brown on "good eats" was speculating whether dinosaurs would have tasted like chicken. and
no, i
am
not making this up. the episode is entitled "a bird in the pan," and the discussion is about three minutes in. amazing coincidence.
dep
Now that is funny! I am just riffing off the top of my head. I didn't
see
the show, and only vaguely know it. I watch a several cooking shows, but that's not one of them.
Don't they say that the crocodilians (including alligators, caimans, etc.) are basically living fossils, that haven't changed much since the time of dinosaurs, except to get smaller on the whole? There are people, I
know,
who have eaten them, so maybe there is a clue.
*SNIP*
> > > > > > This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I > > > > > > think $5
at a
> computer > > > show) back in the late 1980s. It had a > small install routine that > > > copied the program to the > hard drive and
overwrote
> autoexec.bat with > > > the name of the executable file. > In those days autoexec.bat could > > > run to a couple of > pages, with us all trying
to
> make our machines a > > > little faster and getting use of > memory above 640k, which was a > > > delicate thing. To > say nothing of the TSR programs many of us ran. > > > > Setting comspec right after we copied command.com to a RAM > drive. > > > That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat
was
> a nontrivial thing, and > > > turning a well-tuned machine > into a single-game console was > > > troublesome. > > > > > I swear, this
mailing
> list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > > where > dinosaurs
still
> roam the earth. > > > > Bill > > They still roam the > earth, Bill,
except
> now we call them birds. :) I wonder if they tasted like > chicken or turkey, or more gamey like pheasant? Bill
And here I was, ready to pounce on the first person who was itching
for a
fight, who would try to say that mythological dragons, for instance,
were
some kind of dim memory of dinosaurs, or creative attempts to explain dinosaur fossils.
Yes, in fact I do know that many dinosaurs (we now discover) had feathers. Also, humans and dinosaurs were never* living at the same
time.
[* At least, "never", as far as current science know. But then we also used to say that Homo sapiens never interbred with other humans, such as Neanderthals; and we now know that they did, and that all non-Africans (Europeans and Asians, mostly) have some Neanderthal genes; and that Neanderthals often had red hair.]
Most attempts to explain mythological dragons by the backwards logic of referring to dinosaurs are, we find, unconsciously influenced by later literature - mostly science fiction and fantasy. Again, since humans
were
never around at the same time as dinosaurs, they could have no memory
of
them to feel the need to explain them away; and enormous dinosaur fossils, when they were discovered, were usually thought to be the bones of the Giants (that is, the Titans of Greek myth, the Vanir of Norse myth, and so on).
Mythological dragons are altogether different; but if I go there, we
will
need to start not just a new thread, but a separate forum!
It will be interesting, if we all survive long enough to witness such events, whether we can actually succeed in cloning and resurrecting extinct species from their recovered DNA. I don't know about dinosaurs as such; but I think it would be great to have woolly mammoths and some other species. And dodo birds would make an excellent food source, it seems.
When the human race is forced to evacuate the wasteland of our future earth, and a lucky few will get to colonize other planets, maybe we can take some of our animals with us.
Bill
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Wednesday 13 June 2018 01:32:13 William Morder wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. TDE is a little like a dinosaur that has been resurrected; but it's a dinosaur that deserved better. The old KDE3 desktop suffered from a kind of artificial extinction from unnatural selection.
There is of course T. Rex.
Then again, maybe we ought to just make up our own dinosaur? It could be both a dinosaur, and mythical.
Bill
I like that idea, something like a cross between a teradactyl
pterodactyl
On Wednesday 13 June 2018 02:31:28 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Wednesday 13 June 2018 01:32:13 William Morder wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. TDE is a little like a dinosaur that has been resurrected; but it's a dinosaur that deserved better. The old KDE3 desktop suffered from a kind of artificial extinction from unnatural selection.
There is of course T. Rex.
Then again, maybe we ought to just make up our own dinosaur? It could be both a dinosaur, and mythical.
Bill
I like that idea, something like a cross between a teradactyl
pterodactyl
Hey, he knows how to spell it! The closest I've been to one was an attempt to teach a couple Sioux bucks to weld up a frame for one out of rebar up in RCSD, about 55 years ago. They didn't grok it at all, so it fell down, and another of Ray Sanders tourist attracting ideas came to naught
The smith wrench, aka an oxy-acetylene torch, I've done some nice work with it. Expen$ive to run though. A true MIG is a whole lot cheaper to run but my "touch" with it isn't so well developed. And the flood gas is still too darned much. Not to mention it doesn't give you the metal's carbon content control that you can do with a smith wrench. With the smith wrench, you can leave the cooled weld as soft as body lead, or nearly as hard as diamond. They try. by making the flood gas 25% CO2, but its not the same.
On 06/12/2018 09:50 PM, William Morder wrote:
T stands for?
turtle, tortoise turkey tarantula Tricerotops (sp?) it's got "trinity" in it T Rex
Just riffing on possibilities for animal mascots.
Bill
"Terrapin"
Cheers,
On 06/12/2018 10:52 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 06/12/2018 09:50 PM, William Morder wrote:
T stands for?
turtle, tortoise turkey tarantula Tricerotops (sp?) it's got "trinity" in it T Rex
Just riffing on possibilities for animal mascots.
Bill
"Terrapin"
"Terrapin Station" by the Grateful Dead "Some rise some fall some climb to get to terrapin"
But, I think Timothy had something more like this in mind when he named it Trinity. https://pursuingveritas.com/2015/06/04/the-early-church-and-the-trinity/
Cheers,
On 06/12/2018 09:33 PM, elcaseti wrote:
This post got me thinking. since Konqui the dragon is the KDE community's animal mascot, has anyone given thought to Trinity DE having an animal mascot? I nominate Corvus Corax (raven). I did get to eat alligator once, but it was such a small piece, I didn't notice anything distinct about it. It may very well taste like chicken, but I can't say for sure unless I get a chance to eat a larger amount someday. Cheers
No, gator does not taste like chicken, can be used as a replacement. Also some say snake, rabbit and squirrel taste like chicken, nope. And crawdad taste like crawdad. Any one of them can be used in soup, salad, etc. Now if you want to talk about bear, it's best cooked outside the house. And taste like bear and I can not compare bear to anything that I've eaten. :) Somebody mentioned pheasant, with wild rice stuffing is freaking great, I say better than chicken or turkey, if you get a chance give pheasant a try.
I've eaten great vegan too. What I call great vegan is where you sit and eat great tasting food without realizing you're eating vegan. :)
Cheers!
On Monday 18 June 2018 00:26:52 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 06/12/2018 09:33 PM, elcaseti wrote:
This post got me thinking. since Konqui the dragon is the KDE community's animal mascot, has anyone given thought to Trinity DE having an animal mascot? I nominate Corvus Corax (raven). I did get to eat alligator once, but it was such a small piece, I didn't notice anything distinct about it. It may very well taste like chicken, but I can't say for sure unless I get a chance to eat a larger amount someday. Cheers
No, gator does not taste like chicken, can be used as a replacement. Also some say snake, rabbit and squirrel taste like chicken, nope. And crawdad taste like crawdad. Any one of them can be used in soup, salad, etc. Now if you want to talk about bear, it's best cooked outside the house. And taste like bear and I can not compare bear to anything that I've eaten. :) Somebody mentioned pheasant, with wild rice stuffing is freaking great, I say better than chicken or turkey, if you get a chance give pheasant a try.
I've eaten great vegan too. What I call great vegan is where you sit and eat great tasting food without realizing you're eating vegan. :)
Cheers!
I tasted all the others, but not alligator. (Anyway, alligators are an endangered species, am I right? so I can live without trying it.) I also lived in a hippie commune for a few years, where everybody was "officially" vegetarian; which taught me how to get the most nutrition and good taste out of a meat-free diet, as well as how to combine foods to supply enough protein. (Read that book, *Diet for a Small Planet*, by Frances Moore Lappe.)
What nobody knows about vegetarians, though, is that most of them are not really very strict about it, and they sneak meat into their diet at every opportunity.
Bill
On 06/19/2018 04:09 PM, William Morder wrote:
What nobody knows about vegetarians, though, is that most of them are not really very strict about it, and they sneak meat into their diet at every opportunity.
I follow a mostly vegetarian diet; I mostly eat vegetarians. But I also consume the occasional omnivore (chickens and pigs, mostly).
On Sunday 10 June 2018 07:05:32 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Call me puzzled. Or worse.
this doesn't sound good - I would take the machine offline and reinstall from scratch ... unless you are schizophrenic and your other identity is this steven. Cause you won't know what was replaced/installed from this site. Programs might be replaced with compromised etc.
this is my opinion.
you wanted anyway to upgrade some time soon - what you can save are the configurations you have there - but I would not keep this machine online or at least not in my internal network.
regards
I have a spare 2T drive, but can't recall if its had its firmware updated yet. So in addition to the #1 stretch amd64 iso, coming in now, I'll need to hit seacrates site and get the latest cd images for that. But I had intended to use this 2T for amanda, its outgrowing the 1T its using now. And theres close to 70,000 spinning hours on that one! So it will be a few hours before I can pull the net cable and get started. It doesn't appear there is anything else screwed (so far). And I'll see if a new dd-wrt for my router is available too. Busy busy today.
Thanks.
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On 2018-06-10 05:46:20 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings all;
I ran synaptic-pkexec this morning and got some non-sensical errors.
Shut it down, and looked in /etc/apt, and found all my sources.lists had been replaced by something pointing at stevenpusser at opensusi.org. And all the changes were dated this morning.
Well, unless you've made a typo, opensusi.org is not OpenSuSE's website (https://www.opensuse.org/)
Leslie
On Monday 11 June 2018 08:01:55 Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-06-10 05:46:20 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings all;
I ran synaptic-pkexec this morning and got some non-sensical errors.
Shut it down, and looked in /etc/apt, and found all my sources.lists had been replaced by something pointing at stevenpusser at opensusi.org. And all the changes were dated this morning.
Well, unless you've made a typo, opensusi.org is not OpenSuSE's website (https://www.opensuse.org/)
Leslie
TBT, thats a typu. I have only tried suse once, decades ago, and it was a disaster at that time with half the menu's still in German. However, I expect like all the others, much amazing progress has been made since. That was back in about 1999, maybe 2000 IIRC. I'd post the link, but its now been nuked. And palemoon has never been installed on any of my other machines.
I haven't found anything else thats been touched, so I've cleaned up the mess, but I am still going to put stretch on this tower.
Thanks Leslie.
On Monday 11 June 2018 05:01:55 Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-06-10 05:46:20 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings all;
I ran synaptic-pkexec this morning and got some non-sensical errors.
Shut it down, and looked in /etc/apt, and found all my sources.lists had been replaced by something pointing at stevenpusser at opensusi.org. And all the changes were dated this morning.
Well, unless you've made a typo, opensusi.org is not OpenSuSE's website (https://www.opensuse.org/)
Leslie
Good catch. I checked my sources.list, too, just to be sure, and the repository is: # deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/stevenpusser/Debian_7.0/ / for Wheezy. Change that number accordingly if you upgrade.
Bill
On Monday 11 June 2018 09:04:27 William Morder wrote:
On Monday 11 June 2018 05:01:55 Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-06-10 05:46:20 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings all;
I ran synaptic-pkexec this morning and got some non-sensical errors.
Shut it down, and looked in /etc/apt, and found all my sources.lists had been replaced by something pointing at stevenpusser at opensusi.org. And all the changes were dated this morning.
Well, unless you've made a typo, opensusi.org is not OpenSuSE's website (https://www.opensuse.org/)
Leslie
Good catch. I checked my sources.list, too, just to be sure, and the repository is: # deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/stevenpusser/Debian_7. 0/ / for Wheezy. Change that number accordingly if you upgrade.
Bill
Printed FFR when I am next booted to that drive. Thanks Bill.
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