I am just curious, is KMAIL supposed to pop up the KWALLET app asking for the password everytime I launch KMAIL?
If not, its kinda annoying, how do I fix it?
Anno domini 2024 Sun, 19 May 14:29:39 -0500 Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
I am just curious, is KMAIL supposed to pop up the KWALLET app asking for the password everytime I launch KMAIL?
If not, its kinda annoying, how do I fix it?
Right click on the wallet icon in the systray, Settings ...., remove checkmark "close when not used"
(loosly translated from german tde)
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On Sunday 19 May 2024 02:40:37 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Sun, 19 May 14:29:39 -0500
Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
I am just curious, is KMAIL supposed to pop up the KWALLET app asking for the password everytime I launch KMAIL?
If not, its kinda annoying, how do I fix it?
Right click on the wallet icon in the systray, Settings ...., remove checkmark "close when not used"
(loosly translated from german tde)
Nik
Danke Welle (Spelling??)
The only one that was checked for me was " Close the wallet after last app gets done using it"
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Chris M via tde-users wrote:
Danke Welle (Spelling??)
The only one that was checked for me was " Close the wallet after last app gets done using it"
yes, kmail stores the passwords in the wallet. If you want, you can keep the wallet during your session or let it close after the last app that uses it is closed. In latter case you have to unlock again by providing the password for the wallet.
On Sunday 19 May 2024 21.57:51 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
yes, kmail stores the passwords in the wallet.
I just close the dialog the first time it appears (don't remerber the wording, but you can say no to the wallet). I think mail passwords are then stored somewhere else (some config file?).
Anyway, I don't use the wallet and kmail stores my passwords.
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
I just close the dialog the first time it appears (don't remerber the wording, but you can say no to the wallet). I think mail passwords are then stored somewhere else (some config file?).
Anyway, I don't use the wallet and kmail stores my passwords.
Yes, you are correct, they can be stored in the config files, but we all know this is inconvenient, however you are right it can be chosen.
On 2024-05-19 14:57:51 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Chris M via tde-users wrote:
Danke Welle (Spelling??)
The only one that was checked for me was " Close the wallet after last app gets done using it"
yes, kmail stores the passwords in the wallet. If you want, you can keep the wallet during your session or let it close after the last app that uses it is closed. In latter case you have to unlock again by providing the password for the wallet.
Kmail is the only TDE app I use that requires a password; for others I use KeepassXC. It would be really nice if there was a platform-agnostic API for password managers (maybe there is?) and kmail had an option to use it instead.
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You know:
I just got on the computer for the day, My computer stays on all the time:
I launched KMAIL,and it STILL asked me for the KWALLET password before I could download my email, even though I unchecked the "close wallet appon the last app using it."
I don't get it.....
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 08:35:29 -0500 Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
You know:
I just got on the computer for the day, My computer stays on all the time:
I launched KMAIL,and it STILL asked me for the KWALLET password before I could download my email, even though I unchecked the "close wallet appon the last app using it."
I don't get it.....
Did you restart your computer?
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On Monday 20 May 2024 09:20:04 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 08:35:29 -0500
Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
You know:
I just got on the computer for the day, My computer stays on all the time:
I launched KMAIL,and it STILL asked me for the KWALLET password before I could download my email, even though I unchecked the "close wallet appon the last app using it."
I don't get it.....
Did you restart your computer?
Nope.
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 10:01:45 -0500 Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 20 May 2024 09:20:04 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 08:35:29 -0500
Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
You know:
I just got on the computer for the day, My computer stays on all the time:
I launched KMAIL,and it STILL asked me for the KWALLET password before I could download my email, even though I unchecked the "close wallet appon the last app using it."
I don't get it.....
Did you restart your computer?
Nope.
Please do so.
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On 2024-05-20 10:26:43 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 10:01:45 -0500
Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 20 May 2024 09:20:04 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 08:35:29 -0500
Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
You know:
I just got on the computer for the day, My computer stays on all the time:
I launched KMAIL,and it STILL asked me for the KWALLET password before I could download my email, even though I unchecked the "close wallet appon the last app using it."
I don't get it.....
Did you restart your computer?
Nope.
Please do so.
Or at least quit TDEWallet and restart it.
Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.5 - x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.2 tde-config: 1.0
On 5/19/24 2:29 PM, Chris M via tde-users wrote:
I am just curious, is KMAIL supposed to pop up the KWALLET app asking for the password everytime I launch KMAIL?
If not, its kinda annoying, how do I fix it?
If I remember correctly, on first launch of KMail, or perhaps on first password authentication, KMail prompts whether to use kwallet or store the password locally. I long have used the latter method. The password is hashed and stored in the user's kmailrc. For many people this is sufficient security.
Within KMail->Settings->Accounts->Receiving-Modify is a check box option 'Store POP password'. I can't test at the moment, but I seem to recall this option configures KMail to store the password in the user's kmailrc file. Enabling this option creates a key 'store-passwd=true' in each kmailrc account configuration. The password itself is hashed in the 'pass=' key.
Going back to the KDE 3 days, I suspect the underlying presumption within TDE is kwallet should be used to store credentials. This presumption seems to prevail with the modern KDE too.
I can't vouch for kwallet but since the KDE 3 days I personally found kwallet a nuisance. I feel the same with KDE 5, which I use alongside TDE. A single encrypted password container is a useful idea, but I never grew warm and fuzzy about kwallet.
The backend for TDE kwallet is built in tdelibs. The daemon can be seen in KControl->Service Manager->Load-on-Demand Services. There is a file /opt/trinity/share/services/kded/tdewalletd.desktop that contains the directive 'X-TDE-Kded-load-on-demand=true'. I have not experimented, but possibly this desktop file can be copied to $TDEHOME/share/services/kded/tdewalletd.desktop and the directive changed to false. If the file can't be copied, the primary file could be edited and tested.
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