On Thursday 19 March 2020 11:40:28 am Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote: i-don't-know, make me walk to the printer closet to look will ya! Panasonic KX-MB2030 (Multi-Function Laser) Eventually I want to try installing the Panasonic Windows print utility in a Windows VM. Would seem to be a complete waste, but *shrug* if it works, so be it... Anyone ever tried that (printing from a Windows VM on a Linux box)? Best, Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Thursday 19 March 2020 02:21:32 pm Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote: wrote: Ah, but it use to print fine from CentOS 6 up to about 2016/2017. It wasn't even that hard to setup, extract some file(s) from the Win software, drop them into Linux, and CUPS just worked. Now CUPS flips you the bird and will no longer print to it. Cool! Thanks, Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Thursday 19 March 2020 22.44:49 deloptes wrote: I don't know how it is where you live, but here I manage to buy second hand HP 4200 or 4250 quite cheap, they run fine and the 8000 pages toner is not much more expensive than 2000 pages for other printers. OK, the printers are bulky but... I also got a 401dn that I can move if necessary - tends to jam but is very fast. I've been a fan of HP printers for years. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 10:12:56 -0500 Michael <mb_trinity_desktop(a)inet-design.com> wrote: I find the best thing to do is look for any printer that supports PostScript, since that means it can use generic drivers that aren't likely to be dropped from CUPS any time soon. E. Liddell --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Saturday 21 March 2020 01.14:27 deloptes wrote: low budget printers are crap. If it's like their scanner, the cheaper ones are not from HP, they are rebranded from other makers... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

E. Liddell wrote: What I wanted to point out that this PS thing is past. The patent licenses and hardware costs were too hight. This is why now we have emulated PS, because meanwhile CPU and ROM are much cheaper and the printer has more of them and can do the conversion. Even my old 4L, that I gave up last year did not support PS (cheap model from 1998), but worked perfectly well and the linux/cups driver still exists. The problem with windows printer is, that a proprietary software must run on the host to drive the printers hardware, cause manufacturer is saving on hard/software on the printer this way. Imagine you install the software on the windows PC - you need to write this software once and no expensive CPU and ROM in the printer. If you want just a driver on the PC - you need more CPU and ROM on the printer to do the conversion and drive the hardware. So what people did is hack this proprietary software to make it run under linux and perhaps those hacks violate copy rights or licenses or whatever or are unmaintainable or as you say the crap was sent to Africa and can not be tested anymore. In any case it is not about PS, but decent hardware - it costs more, but pays off with time. For example my previous HP 4L served from 1999 - 2019. The cost was perhaps 200,- - it is 10,-/y. I replaced toner 3 times - cost 3*60=180,- - makes 9,-/y Can I live with that 19,-/y (1.59/month w/o the paper) for printing? This is the question. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:28 PM Michael <mb_trinity_desktop(a)inet-design.com> wrote: You can't completely remove CUPS on a Linux distribution, because it's a hard dependency for a lot of things. You can disable the Cups daemon from starting though (e.g. systemctl disable cups.service). Depending on your distribution, you may also be able to just have the cups libraries installed for the dependency, and not actually have the cups printing service (daemon) installed. As for a Cups replacement, it's the standard and sometimes only printing system available on a distribution. Other printing systems tend to plug into Cups (e.g. gutenprint, foomatic). You'd be better off to look for support for your printer model and go from there. I'm sorry, I don't know a lot about printing on Linux.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:04 PM E. Liddell <ejlddll(a)warpmail.net> wrote: It depends what packages you install from a distribution of course. I meant in context of desktop usage. Any desktop environment you install from distro packages is likely to have Cups libraries as a dependency. Similarly for software like LibreOffice (I compile my own and have to pass --disable-cups on this system.)