Hi all!
As it is indeed quite quiet on the mailinglist I thought I might share my 4 months of FreeBSD Desktop here :-)
What I especially like on *BSD is that there are no surprises. Things simply work as doctumented. There is valid documentation and a handbook that covers almost all things you'd want to know. But if an application is not in ports, things get ugly. And that's the down side of FreeBSD: no TDE.
In quest for a usable desktop environment I went over GNOME (argh! Now I know again why I hate it) over XFCE (too gnomish) to LXDE (too windows like) and KDE4 (yes, that was a rainy day full of desperation. Just like visiting a home-improvement market: you almost get what you need, but in the end of the day you've spent a lot of time and mony and didn't get the job done). Days got better after purging these nice DEs: openbox was an improvement but in the end FVWM came and stayed. Now my FVWM looks quite simillar to my TDE setup on wheezy :-)
But there are some things that I cannot quite replace: kmail: the one and only mailclient that has a working maildir implementation and usable GUI. This is the one and only application I did not find a usable replacement for. kpdf: slim, working PDF viewer. I've also tried mupdf (very good and fast, but I cannot mark and copy text), epdfviewer (ok, but quite broken copy function, hangs on pdfs with big images), okular (slow like a slug, pulls in 1GB dependecies, full of clutter, otherwise ok) and evince (well, GNOME), non is a match. I use mupdf+epdfviewer for now. konqueror: pcmanfm is a usable replacement, but needs quite a bit of work till it does it's job.
So, it's 30°C outside, rainy days all gone, and I'm here on FreeBSD with FVWM and kmail running in a VM ... and desperatly waiting for Slavec to sort out the -fPIC compiler issue on FreeBSD :-)
Nik
On Thursday 04 June 2015 08:37:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
it's 30°C outside, rainy days all gone
CET. Rain gone - for the summer? Early June. 30°C??? Where on earth are you Nik?? I had assumed Europe because of the CET, but it isn't 30° anywhere in Europe so far as I can see. The hottest I can find is Donetsk on 28°, and that is further east than you. You are on planet Earth??
If telling me would conflict with your sense of security, especially on an open list, then don't - but where are you Nik???
(No, I don't automaticaly check - but I am horribly conscious of the weather we are suffering from, and the 30° jarred, so I went looking!)
Lisi
Am Donnerstag, 4. Juni 2015 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
On Thursday 04 June 2015 08:37:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
it's 30°C outside, rainy days all gone
CET. Rain gone - for the summer? Early June. 30°C??? Where on earth are you Nik?? I had assumed Europe because of the CET, but it isn't 30° anywhere in Europe so far as I can see. The hottest I can find is Donetsk on 28°, and that is further east than you. You are on planet Earth??
If telling me would conflict with your sense of security, especially on an open list, then don't - but where are you Nik???
(No, I don't automaticaly check - but I am horribly conscious of the weather we are suffering from, and the 30° jarred, so I went looking!)
Lisi
Hi Lisi!
No big secret there, Location is Austria, north of the alps: http://wetter.orf.at/oes/ (allow local variations of +/- 3°C). We are getting our share of summer now. If I'm lucky, it's gonne be a long barbeque seaonson ... or I'll be farming mushroms in a forthnight :-)
Nik
On Thursday 04 June 2015 14:42:18 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 4. Juni 2015 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
On Thursday 04 June 2015 08:37:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
it's 30°C outside, rainy days all gone
CET. Rain gone - for the summer? Early June. 30°C??? Where on earth are you Nik?? I had assumed Europe because of the CET, but it isn't 30° anywhere in Europe so far as I can see. The hottest I can find is Donetsk on 28°, and that is further east than you. You are on planet Earth??
If telling me would conflict with your sense of security, especially on an open list, then don't - but where are you Nik???
(No, I don't automaticaly check - but I am horribly conscious of the weather we are suffering from, and the 30° jarred, so I went looking!)
Lisi
Hi Lisi!
No big secret there, Location is Austria, north of the alps: http://wetter.orf.at/oes/ (allow local variations of +/- 3°C). We are getting our share of summer now. If I'm lucky, it's gonne be a long barbeque seaonson ... or I'll be farming mushroms in a forthnight :-)
Morgen sonnig und sehr warm. Lucky you. We're going to Salzburg in October. It'll be raining by then!! And probably cold.
I just found Athens and Madrid that are hot. I don't know what I was doing this morning - the map of Europe I found just didn't have anywhere hot!! And I'm getting the impression here that summer is outmoded.
This from our local weather forecast page: Met Office Warnings Issued For: XXXXXXX Yellow early warning of rain From: 0600 on Fri 5 June To: 2350 on Fri 5 June Updated 3 June at 12:15 Scattered thunderstorms are likely to extend northwards across eastern and southeastern areas of England during Friday giving some localised intense downpours. The public should be aware of the risk of localised surface water flooding which may lead to disruption to transport and outdoor activities. Frequent lightning could prove to be an additional hazard.
The thunderstorms should clear away eastwards on Friday night.As is typical of this type of situation there is considerable uncertainty as regards the extent and timing of any thunderstorms, with some places within the warning area probably escaping the downpours. Therefore this warning will be kept under review and updated as necessary.
Lisi
Il 04/06/2015 16.20, Lisi Reisz ha scritto:
I just found Athens and Madrid that are hot. I don't know what I was doing this morning - the map of Europe I found just didn't have anywhere hot!! And I'm getting the impression here that summer is outmoded.
Hi Lisi, here a map of Europe: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reurmett.html
Rodolfo
"Nikolaus" == Nikolaus Klepp office@klepp.biz writes:
Hi all!
In quest for a usable desktop environment I went over GNOME (argh! Now I know again why I hate it) over XFCE (too gnomish) to LXDE (too windows like) and KDE4 (yes, that was a rainy day full of desperation. Just like visiting a home-improvement market: you almost get what you need, but in the end of the day you've spent a lot of time and mony and didn't get the job done). Days got better after purging these nice DEs: openbox was an improvement but in the end FVWM came and stayed. Now my FVWM looks quite simillar to my TDE setup on wheezy :-)
Interesting I just realized why I am using TDE. Not because of its kde-applications (I do almost everything in Xemacs), but because
- all the other windows managers are either bloated or using features.
- because of the excellent control center, which made switch from debian to Kubuntu. But when I say control center I mean the one which is shipped by Kubuntu (as of hardy 8.04) and which somehow survived in TDE but seems not to be a true TDE program, which leads me to my conclusion:
TDE is not TDE (TDE on (K)Ubuntu is not TDE on Debian etc)
Regards
Uwe Brauer
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