Dear TDE list,
I installed openSUSE 15.6 on an old DELL Inspiron 1520. I decided to give it some more life with a Crucial MX500 2 TB SSD. The installation went fine except that I had to use "acpi=off" to boot the installation media, but I was able to remove that kernel option after the installation.
LXDE runs fine. However, TDE is unstable and already during the setup wizard the screen goes blank after a few second, then comes back, goes blank again and after a few times X crashes and goes back to the login screen. With LXDE, I have a similar issue if I use a openGL application that displays atoms as spheres (other representations work fine). In that situation, the screen also flashes a few times and the application that I use crashes, but the LXDE session survives. This makes me think that it is probably related to the video card not beeing correctly supported by newer kernels. The video card is: Mesa Intel 965GM. I wonder whether anybody has any idea how to troubleshoot this, especially as everything else seems to work fine.
I use this laptop to teach python and pygame to my middle school son. So LXDE will be fine for that. What I have done in the past if I'm not happy with the hardware I installed linux on, I purchase something newer on e-bay and move the hard disk to the newer system (at least Intel CPU to Intel CPU should work fine). If anybody has any experience/recommendation for an older laptop (that I could find on e-bay or similar) with an integrated Intel GPU where trinity runs in a stable manner possibly in conjunction with openSUSE 15.6, please let me know. It needs to have a SATA connection for a 2.5" SSD and it should be able to boot with BIOS or legacy BIOS as the partitions on the hard disk were created with a DOS label (not UEFI).
Thanks!
Gianluca
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I forgot to add that everything worked fine on this laptop with openSUSE 12.2. So the issue is probably video driver support by newer kernels.
Gianluca
On Wed, 29 Jan 2025, Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
Dear TDE list,
I installed openSUSE 15.6 on an old DELL Inspiron 1520. I decided to give it some more life with a Crucial MX500 2 TB SSD. The installation went fine except that I had to use "acpi=off" to boot the installation media, but I was able to remove that kernel option after the installation.
LXDE runs fine. However, TDE is unstable and already during the setup wizard the screen goes blank after a few second, then comes back, goes blank again and after a few times X crashes and goes back to the login screen. With LXDE, I have a similar issue if I use a openGL application that displays atoms as spheres (other representations work fine). In that situation, the screen also flashes a few times and the application that I use crashes, but the LXDE session survives. This makes me think that it is probably related to the video card not beeing correctly supported by newer kernels. The video card is: Mesa Intel 965GM. I wonder whether anybody has any idea how to troubleshoot this, especially as everything else seems to work fine.
I use this laptop to teach python and pygame to my middle school son. So LXDE will be fine for that. What I have done in the past if I'm not happy with the hardware I installed linux on, I purchase something newer on e-bay and move the hard disk to the newer system (at least Intel CPU to Intel CPU should work fine). If anybody has any experience/recommendation for an older laptop (that I could find on e-bay or similar) with an integrated Intel GPU where trinity runs in a stable manner possibly in conjunction with openSUSE 15.6, please let me know. It needs to have a SATA connection for a 2.5" SSD and it should be able to boot with BIOS or legacy BIOS as the partitions on the hard disk were created with a DOS label (not UEFI).
Thanks!
Gianluca
Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca@u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://gianluca.today/research/
Department of Bioengineering University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A.
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Department of Bioengineering University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. -----------------------------------------------------
On 2025/01/30 10:54 AM, Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
I forgot to add that everything worked fine on this laptop with openSUSE 12.2. So the issue is probably video driver support by newer kernels.
Hi Gianluca, you could try installing an older kernel while keeping the rest of the distro intact and see if it effectively makes it stable. That would also confirm you suspicion about video card support. Cheers Michele
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-29 16:37 (UTC-0800):
LXDE runs fine. However, TDE is unstable and already during the setup wizard the screen goes blank after a few second, then comes back, goes blank again and after a few times X crashes and goes back to the login screen. With LXDE, I have a similar issue if I use a openGL application that displays atoms as spheres (other representations work fine). In that situation, the screen also flashes a few times and the application that I use crashes, but the LXDE session survives. This makes me think that it is probably related to the video card not beeing correctly supported by newer kernels. The video card is: Mesa Intel 965GM. I wonder whether anybody has any idea how to troubleshoot this, especially as everything else seems to work fine.
It's not Trinity's or openSUSE's fault: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212696 Q965 with modesetting DIX GPU HANG Problem exists in Debian too. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1593
Make sure the xf86-video-intel rpm is installed and its provided intel DDX display driver in use to avoid the problem. As TW kernels do not have the problem, the backport kernel-default labeled as Leap lp155 may work as well: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable:/Backport/standard/x86_64/
Hi Felix,
It's not Trinity's or openSUSE's fault: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212696 Q965 with modesetting DIX GPU HANG Problem exists in Debian too. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1593k
If I stay away from Q965 (like with Intel Core i5), do I avoid the problem? I did not have this issue on a Dell optiplex 780, which should also have a Q965, with its integrated GPU in openSUSE 15.4.
Make sure the xf86-video-intel rpm is installed and its provided intel DDX display driver in use to avoid the problem.
It is currently not installed, but I will try. How do I make sure the DDX display driver is in use? Do I check it with `lsmod`?
As TW kernels do not have the problem, the backport kernel-default labeled as Leap lp155 may work as well: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable:/Backport/standard/...
Thanks!
Gianluca
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Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-29 20:15 (UTC-0800):
It's not Trinity's or openSUSE's fault: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212696 Q965 with modesetting DIX GPU HANG Problem exists in Debian too. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1593k
If I stay away from Q965 (like with Intel Core i5), do I avoid the problem? I did not have this issue on a Dell optiplex 780, which should also have a Q965, with its integrated GPU in openSUSE 15.4.
The problem is only with the Q965 AFAIK.
These are the only 64bit Intel Optiplex models I have hands-on info on, owning all but 755, which my brother has, or 790, belonging to a good buddy: 620 has 945G, Gen3 745 has Q965, Gen4 755 has Q35, Gen3 760 has Q43, Gen4 780 has Q45, Gen4 790 has Q65, which doesn't contain a GPU; Gen5 moved Sandy Bridge GPU to CPU
Whatever other models in the period may have existed I don't know about. Sandy Bridge is where Core i5 first appeared AFAICT.
Make sure the xf86-video-intel rpm is installed and its provided intel DDX display driver in use to avoid the problem.
It is currently not installed, but I will try. How do I make sure the DDX display driver is in use? Do I check it with `lsmod`?
If there is a Xorg.0.log file, it over-amply reports driver in use. Inxi -G also reports loaded display driver.
Make sure the xf86-video-intel rpm is installed and its provided intel DDX display driver in use to avoid the problem.
It is currently not installed, but I will try. How do I make sure the DDX display driver is in use? Do I check it with `lsmod`?
If there is a Xorg.0.log file, it over-amply reports driver in use. Inxi -G also reports loaded display driver.
If xf86-video-intel causes problems and I want to remove it, can I simply remove the rpm?
Thanks,
Gianluca
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Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-30 07:29 (UTC-0800):
Make sure the xf86-video-intel rpm is installed and its provided intel DDX display driver in use to avoid the problem.
It is currently not installed, but I will try. How do I make sure the DDX display driver is in use? Do I check it with `lsmod`?
If there is a Xorg.0.log file, it over-amply reports driver in use. Inxi -G also reports loaded display driver.
If xf86-video-intel causes problems and I want to remove it, can I simply remove the rpm?
Sure, but first: do the problems overlap, or are they an entirely different set? If different, they might have an easier solution. If yours is like mine, without it, trying to use any GUI environment is a hopeless endeavor. Please share a complete Xorg.0.log from attempting use of the Intel DDX via susepaste or other text-only pastebin.
Does this old Inspiron only have an Intel GPU, or is it like its sister models in including also an NVidia GPU? What does inxi -GSaz report run from within any X session, e.g. IceWM if not LXDE or TDE?
Which DM are you using? With TDE installed, I only ever use TDM, though I would expect it to be fine using LightDM or plain old XDM directly.
Make sure the xf86-video-intel rpm is installed and its provided intel DDX display driver in use to avoid the problem.
It is currently not installed, but I will try. How do I make sure the DDX display driver is in use? Do I check it with `lsmod`?
If there is a Xorg.0.log file, it over-amply reports driver in use. Inxi -G also reports loaded display driver.
I have installed xf86-video-intel and rebooted. I can now login into TDE and it is stable. However, there is still an issue with openGL. I can start an application to display 3D molecules (called VMD). Lines and cartoon representations work, but anything with spheres makes the screen flash and VMD crashes with "core dumped" (although I cannot find the "core" file).
There is no Xorg.0.log file. Can I or should I create one?
ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
00-keyboard.conf 50-device.conf 50-monitor.conf 50-screen.conf
inxi -G
Graphics: Device-1: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel Device-2: OmniVision OV2640 Webcam driver: uvcvideo type: USB Display: server: X.Org v: 1.20.3 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.1 driver: X: loaded: intel unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915 resolution: 1680x1050~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 4.5 Mesa 23.3.4 renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 17.0.6 128 bits)
If xf86-video-intel causes problems and I want to remove it, can I simply remove the rpm?
Sure, but first: do the problems overlap, or are they an entirely different set?
The problem with openGL not working correctly (VMD) is the same as without xf86-video-intel. However, I can now login into TDE without seeing the flashing.
Does this old Inspiron only have an Intel GPU, or is it like its sister models in including also an NVidia GPU?
It only has the integrated Intel GPU GM965/GL960 (unless it is hidden somewhere, but BIOS only reports the Intel GPU.
What does inxi -GSaz report run from within any X session, e.g. IceWM if not LXDE or TDE?
inxi -GSaz
System: Kernel: 6.4.0-150600.23.33-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-6.4.0-150600.23.33-default root=UUID=7b81f0d1-d2ee-4fdd-8114-e1f78d068728 splash=silent resume=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-CT2000MX500SSD1_2431E8BDBBAC-part2 preempt=full quiet security=apparmor mitigations=auto Desktop: Trinity v: R14.1.3 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0 vt: 2 dm: SDDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.6 Graphics: Device-1: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-4 process: Intel 65n built: 2006-07 ports: active: LVDS-1 empty: SVIDEO-1,VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:2a02 class-ID: 0300 Device-2: OmniVision OV2640 Webcam driver: uvcvideo type: USB rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 bus-ID: 3-6:2 chip-ID: 05a9:2640 class-ID: 0e02 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.1 compositor: Picom v: 10 driver: X: loaded: intel unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1280x800 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 338x211mm (13.31x8.31") s-diag: 398mm (15.69") Monitor-1: LVDS-1 mapped: LVDS1 model: AU Optronics 0x2274 built: 2006 res: 1280x800 hz: 60 dpi: 99 gamma: 1.2 size: 330x210mm (12.99x8.27") diag: 390mm (15.4") ratio: 16:10 modes: 1280x800 API: OpenGL v: 2.1 Mesa 23.3.4 renderer: Mesa Intel 965GM (CL) direct-render: Yes
Which DM are you using? With TDE installed, I only ever use TDM, though I would expect it to be fine using LightDM or plain old XDM directly.
I am now using TDE. I use LXDE before installing TDE. But once TDE is installed, I do not login into any other DM.
Thanks!
Gianluca
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On 1/30/25 6:03 PM, Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
I have installed xf86-video-intel and rebooted. I can now login into TDE and it is stable. However, there is still an issue with openGL. I can start an application to display 3D molecules (called VMD). Lines and cartoon representations work, but anything with spheres makes the screen flash and VMD crashes with "core dumped" (although I cannot find the "core" file).
You can find more information with:
$ coredumpctl list
Which will list coredumps and whether the file is available or in the journal, etc..
There is no Xorg.0.log file. Can I or should I create one?
/var/log/Xorg.0.log
It is created automatically on X startup. The prior log is:
/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, David C. Rankin via tde-users wrote:
On 1/30/25 6:03 PM, Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
There is no Xorg.0.log file. Can I or should I create one?
/var/log/Xorg.0.log
Thanks! I did not pay close attention as in the past (a long time ago) there was a X11 configuration file in /etc/X11 and I thought Felix meant that one.
I have uploaded Xorg.0.log files before and after the flashing screen:
http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/Files/Alseid/
There is no difference. Also, it may be an issue with memory bandwidth of this particular card? It is a Intel 965GM. I use VMD for molecular representation. If I choose to represent all atoms as spheres (instead of just dots), then the screen flashes and VMD crashes. If I represent only a small number of atoms as spheres, then it is fine.
It if helps, here is the output from the program VMD that I use for molecular visualization:
http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/Files/Alseid/vmd_output.txt
Otherwise, the video card seems to work fine. I can watch movies on youtube, but if I select a fullscreen representation, then the video output gets slow although the sound plays fine.
Thanks!
Gianluca
It is created automatically on X startup. The prior log is:
/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
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On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, David C. Rankin via tde-users wrote:
On 1/30/25 6:03 PM, Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
There is no Xorg.0.log file. Can I or should I create one?
/var/log/Xorg.0.log
Thanks! I did not pay close attention as in the past (a long time ago) there was a X11 configuration file in /etc/X11 and I thought Felix meant that one.
I have uploaded Xorg.0.log files before and after the flashing screen:
http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/Files/Alseid/
There is no difference. Also, it may be an issue with memory bandwidth of this particular card? It is a Intel 965GM. I use VMD for molecular representation. If I choose to represent all atoms as spheres (instead of just dots), then the screen flashes and VMD crashes. If I represent only a small number of atoms as spheres, then it is fine.
It if helps, here is the output from the program VMD that I use for molecular visualization:
http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/Files/Alseid/vmd_output.txt
As a comparison, here is the output of VMD with an NVIDIA video card:
http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/Files/Alseid/vmd_output_nvidia.txt
One difference is that "MSAA(16)" is missing for the intel video card. This could be the reason why some 3D representations of atoms look rougher with the intel GPU than with NVIDIA.
Gianluca
Otherwise, the video card seems to work fine. I can watch movies on youtube, but if I select a fullscreen representation, then the video output gets slow although the sound plays fine.
Thanks!
GianlucaIt is created automatically on X startup. The prior log is:
/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
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Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users composed on 2025-01-31 14:44 (UTC-0800):
If you rename them from .log to .txt, all web browsers can open them, including mine.
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users composed on 2025-01-31 14:44 (UTC-0800):
If you rename them from .log to .txt, all web browsers can open them, including mine.
Done. Sorry,
Gianluca
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Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-31 17:15 (UTC-0800):
Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-31 14:44 (UTC-0800):
If you rename them from .log to .txt, all web browsers can open them, including mine.
Done. Sorry,
Both your Xorg.0.log files are identical, and seem must have come from an aborted session, only 2.097 seconds long.
The URLs below are from my Dell Optiplex 745 with Q965 intel graphics on: Debian 12 & 13 using TDE. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1d27304e/ 19.02 seconds long https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0776356c/ 40.936 seconds long
The other is from same PC with Leap 15.6 using KDE3. https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/6fc5527f0e6e 28.468 seconds long
They show what I expect yours should look very much like when all works as it should.
Hi Felix,
The Xorg.0.log files are not from an aborted session. The session is still running. I just checked, the Xorg.0.log file is still the exact same as the ones I posted. It is corrected that those I posted are identical, one is from before the VMD (openGL application) crashed and the other one from after. Do we expect a openGL crash to be caught in the Xorg.0.log file?
I also compared your examples with mine. They seem to be the same length in terms of lines. I cannot really tell what the differences are. I do see though that in my case 'Device "DDX"' is missing.
Best,
Gianluca
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-31 17:15 (UTC-0800):
Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-31 14:44 (UTC-0800):
If you rename them from .log to .txt, all web browsers can open them, including mine.
Done. Sorry,
Both your Xorg.0.log files are identical, and seem must have come from an aborted session, only 2.097 seconds long.
The URLs below are from my Dell Optiplex 745 with Q965 intel graphics on: Debian 12 & 13 using TDE. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1d27304e/ https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0776356c/ 40.936 seconds long
The other is from same PC with Leap 15.6 using KDE3. https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/6fc5527f0e6e 28.468 seconds long
They show what I expect yours should look very much like when all works as it should.
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On 1/31/25 4:44 PM, Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
I have uploaded Xorg.0.log files before and after the flashing screen:
Nothing stands out, but Felix will be better versed in Intel graphics than I. The log only captures X startup, so you wouldn't expect later issues to be included (generally)
There is no difference. Also, it may be an issue with memory bandwidth of this particular card? It is a Intel 965GM. I use VMD for molecular representation. If I choose to represent all atoms as spheres (instead of just dots), then the screen flashes and VMD crashes. If I represent only a small number of atoms as spheres, then it is fine.
Felix or others will have to speak to the Intel graphics limitations. It will use memory shared with the CPU, so you may be memory limited, or depending on resolution of "full-screen", processor limited to paint the entire screen.
I really doubt both though. I have an old Core2-Duo (E8600 at 3.3GHz) with 4GB RAM that has the built in Intel graphics and I can run youtube at Full HD (1920x1080?) on a 59" TV without issue. It taxes the processor to about 80% (100% at times), but never misses a beat.
Otherwise, the video card seems to work fine. I can watch movies on youtube, but if I select a fullscreen representation, then the video output gets slow although the sound plays fine.
Just for completeness, on that old Dell, I've got:
$ inxi -G Graphics: Device-1: Intel 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel Display: server: X.Org v: 21.1.15 driver: X: loaded: intel unloaded: modesetting dri: i915 gpu: i915 resolution: 1600x900~60Hz API: EGL v: 1.4,1.5 drivers: i915,swrast platforms: x11,surfaceless,device API: OpenGL v: 4.5 compat-v: 2.1 vendor: mesa v: 24.3.4-arch1.1 renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 19.1.7 128 bits) Info: Tools: api: eglinfo,glxinfo x11: xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Hopefully Felix can chime in and work a little Intel graphics magic. Good luck!
David C. Rankin composed on 2025-01-31 18:24 (UTC-0600):
Felix or others will have to speak to the Intel graphics limitations. It will use memory shared with the CPU, so you may be memory limited, or depending on resolution of "full-screen", processor limited to paint the entire screen.
Possibly RAM could play a part, and a change to BIOS settings to preallocate more RAM to graphics could help by using only contiguous RAM blocks. Perhaps it's time to run a memory tester as well. Some old RAM just doesn't last as long as one hopes or expects.
Just for completeness, on that old Dell, I've got:
$ inxi -G Graphics: Device-1: Intel 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
G33/31 is Gen3 Intel. *965* is Gen4. Have you tried using his VMD whatever it is on yours?
Display: server: X.Org v: 21.1.15 driver: X: loaded: intel
The better supported modesetting driver is not supported by Gen3, forcing you to use the Intel DDX.
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-29 16:37 (UTC-0800):
I installed openSUSE 15.6 on an old DELL Inspiron 1520. I decided to give
...
The video card is: Mesa Intel 965GM. I wonder whether anybody has
I suspect there may ultimately be no solution for this particular laptop while using Leap 15.6, based upon: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1593 and https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212696#c3 The 965 series is Intel's Gen4 graphics, the oldest version "supported" by the superior, compared to the intel display driver, modesetting display driver. I'm afraid the commenter in the suse bug is going to turn out to be right that it's just to old to expect to get fixed.
That said, potentially, a switch to the backport kernel for leap could solve it: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable:/Backport/standard/x86_64/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable:/Backport/standard/x86_64/kernel-default-6.13.0-lp156.4.1.gb338842.x86_64.rpm
Debian 12 is not affected by this issue here, nor is Tumbleweed, at least while using a 6.6.x longterm kernel. TW's longterm was just switched to 6.12.x, which I have yet to try on my Q965. Trixie, to be released as Debian 13 this year, has the same issue.
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-31 18:54 (UTC-0800)
The Xorg.0.log files are not from an aborted session. The session is still running. I just checked, the Xorg.0.log file is still the exact same as the ones I posted. It is corrected that those I posted are identical, one is from before the VMD (openGL application) crashed and the other one from after. Do we expect a openGL crash to be caught in the Xorg.0.log file?
I have no idea. Yours could be unrelated to mine. I have no experience with whatever a VMD is or does.
I also compared your examples with mine. They seem to be the same length in terms of lines. I cannot really tell what the differences are. I do see though that in my case 'Device "DDX"' is missing.
The intel display driver is the DDX. The modesetting driver is a DIX. DDX - device dependent X driver DIX - device independent X driver
Dependent means only supports the device brand. Independent works with Intel, AMD, NVidia and other devices. It's newer, different technology. Thus, bugs in a DDX may be absent in a DIX, and vice versa.
The intel display driver is the DDX. The modesetting driver is a DIX. DDX - device dependent X driver DIX - device independent X driver
Dependent means only supports the device brand. Independent works with Intel, AMD, NVidia and other devices. It's newer, different technology. Thus, bugs in a DDX may be absent in a DIX, and vice versa.
I'm confused why the Xorg.0.log file does not show DDX since I did install the RPM xf86-video-intel as you recommended:
rpm -qa | grep xf86-video-intel
xf86-video-intel-2.99.917.916_g31486f40-150500.3.6.1.x86_64
I am happy though that I am now able to login to TDE. Without xf86-video-intel I could only use LXDE.
As you mention in your second e-mail, it could have to do with the RAM. I may try to find RAM compatible for this laptop. It also looks like it only has 3 GB installed instead of the 4 GB supported:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/113849588345?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amda...
Gianluca
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