30 Jan
2025
30 Jan
'25
7:37 a.m.
Dear TDE list,
I installed openSUSE 15.6 on an old DELL Inspiron 1520. I decided to give
it some more life with a Crucial MX500 2 TB SSD. The installation went
fine except that I had to use "acpi=off" to boot the installation media,
but I was able to remove that kernel option after the installation.
LXDE runs fine. However, TDE is unstable and already during the setup
wizard the screen goes blank after a few second, then comes back, goes
blank again and after a few times X crashes and goes back to the login
screen. With LXDE, I have a similar issue if I use a openGL application
that displays atoms as spheres (other representations work fine). In that
situation, the screen also flashes a few times and the application that I
use crashes, but the LXDE session survives. This makes me think that it is
probably related to the video card not beeing correctly supported by newer
kernels. The video card is: Mesa Intel 965GM. I wonder whether anybody has
any idea how to troubleshoot this, especially as everything else seems to
work fine.
I use this laptop to teach python and pygame to my middle school son. So
LXDE will be fine for that. What I have done in the past if I'm not happy
with the hardware I installed linux on, I purchase something newer on
e-bay and move the hard disk to the newer system (at least Intel CPU to
Intel CPU should work fine). If anybody has any experience/recommendation
for an older laptop (that I could find on e-bay or similar) with an
integrated Intel GPU where trinity runs in a stable manner possibly in
conjunction with openSUSE 15.6, please let me know. It needs to have a
SATA connection for a 2.5" SSD and it should be able to boot with BIOS or
legacy BIOS as the partitions on the hard disk were created with a DOS
label (not UEFI).
Thanks!
Gianluca
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30 Jan
30 Jan
8:54 a.m.
I forgot to add that everything worked fine on this laptop with openSUSE
12.2. So the issue is probably video driver support by newer kernels.
Gianluca
On Wed, 29 Jan 2025, Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
Dear TDE list,
I installed openSUSE 15.6 on an old DELL Inspiron 1520. I decided to give it
some more life with a Crucial MX500 2 TB SSD. The installation went fine
except that I had to use "acpi=off" to boot the installation media, but I was
able to remove that kernel option after the installation.
LXDE runs fine. However, TDE is unstable and already during the setup wizard
the screen goes blank after a few second, then comes back, goes blank again
and after a few times X crashes and goes back to the login screen. With LXDE,
I have a similar issue if I use a openGL application that displays atoms as
spheres (other representations work fine). In that situation, the screen also
flashes a few times and the application that I use crashes, but the LXDE
session survives. This makes me think that it is probably related to the
video card not beeing correctly supported by newer kernels. The video card
is: Mesa Intel 965GM. I wonder whether anybody has any idea how to
troubleshoot this, especially as everything else seems to work fine.
I use this laptop to teach python and pygame to my middle school son. So LXDE
will be fine for that. What I have done in the past if I'm not happy with the
hardware I installed linux on, I purchase something newer on e-bay and move
the hard disk to the newer system (at least Intel CPU to Intel CPU should
work fine). If anybody has any experience/recommendation for an older laptop
(that I could find on e-bay or similar) with an integrated Intel GPU where
trinity runs in a stable manner possibly in conjunction with openSUSE 15.6,
please let me know. It needs to have a SATA connection for a 2.5" SSD and it
should be able to boot with BIOS or legacy BIOS as the partitions on the hard
disk were created with a DOS label (not UEFI).
Thanks!
Gianluca
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+1 (206) 685 4435
http://gianluca.today/research/
Department of Bioengineering
University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A.
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http://gianluca.today/research/
Department of Bioengineering
University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A.
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10:34 a.m.
On 2025/01/30 10:54 AM, Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
I forgot to add that everything worked fine on this
laptop with openSUSE 12.2. So the issue is probably video driver
support by newer kernels.
Hi Gianluca,
you could try installing an older kernel while keeping the rest of the distro intact and
see if it effectively makes it
stable. That would also confirm you suspicion about video card support.
Cheers
Michele
11:02 a.m.
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-29 16:37 (UTC-0800):
LXDE runs fine. However, TDE is unstable and already
during the setup
wizard the screen goes blank after a few second, then comes back, goes
blank again and after a few times X crashes and goes back to the login
screen. With LXDE, I have a similar issue if I use a openGL application
that displays atoms as spheres (other representations work fine). In that
situation, the screen also flashes a few times and the application that I
use crashes, but the LXDE session survives. This makes me think that it is
probably related to the video card not beeing correctly supported by newer
kernels. The video card is: Mesa Intel 965GM. I wonder whether anybody has
any idea how to troubleshoot this, especially as everything else seems to
work fine.
It's not Trinity's or openSUSE's fault:
<https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212696>
Q965 with modesetting DIX GPU HANG
Problem exists in Debian too.
<https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1593>
Make sure the xf86-video-intel rpm is installed and its provided intel DDX display
driver in use to avoid the problem. As TW kernels do not have the problem, the
backport kernel-default labeled as Leap lp155 may work as well:
<http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable:/Backport/standard/x86_64/>
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11:15 a.m.
Hi Felix,
It's not Trinity's or openSUSE's fault:
https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212696
Q965 with modesetting DIX GPU HANG Problem exists in Debian too.
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1593k
If I stay away from Q965 (like with Intel Core i5), do I avoid the
problem? I did not have this issue on a Dell optiplex 780, which should
also have a Q965, with its integrated GPU in openSUSE 15.4.
Make sure the xf86-video-intel rpm is installed and
its provided intel
DDX display driver in use to avoid the problem.
It is currently not installed, but I will try. How do I make sure the DDX
display driver is in use? Do I check it with `lsmod`?
As TW kernels do not have the problem, the
backport kernel-default labeled as Leap lp155 may work as well:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable:/Backport/standard…
Thanks!
Gianluca
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Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-29 20:15 (UTC-0800):
> It's not Trinity's or openSUSE's
fault:
> https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212696
> Q965 with modesetting DIX GPU HANG Problem exists in Debian too.
> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1593k
If I stay away from Q965 (like with Intel Core i5), do
I avoid the
problem? I did not have this issue on a Dell optiplex 780, which should
also have a Q965, with its integrated GPU in openSUSE 15.4.
The problem is only with the Q965 AFAIK.
These are the only 64bit Intel Optiplex models I have hands-on info on, owning all
but 755, which my brother has, or 790, belonging to a good buddy:
620 has 945G, Gen3
745 has Q965, Gen4
755 has Q35, Gen3
760 has Q43, Gen4
780 has Q45, Gen4
790 has Q65, which doesn't contain a GPU; Gen5 moved Sandy Bridge GPU to CPU
Whatever other models in the period may have existed I don't know about. Sandy
Bridge is where Core i5 first appeared AFAICT.
> Make sure the xf86-video-intel rpm is installed
and its provided intel
> DDX display driver in use to avoid the problem.
It is currently not installed, but I will try. How do
I make sure the DDX
display driver is in use? Do I check it with `lsmod`?
If there is a Xorg.0.log file, it over-amply reports driver in use. Inxi -G also
reports loaded display driver.
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10:29 p.m.
> Make sure
the xf86-video-intel rpm is installed and its provided intel
> DDX display driver in use to avoid the problem.
It is currently not installed, but I will try.
How do I make sure the DDX
display driver is in use? Do I check it with `lsmod`?
If there is a Xorg.0.log file, it over-amply reports driver in use. Inxi -G also
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31 Jan
3:08 a.m.
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-30 07:29 (UTC-0800):
>>> Make sure the xf86-video-intel rpm is
installed and its provided intel
>>> DDX display driver in use to avoid the problem.
>> It is currently not installed, but I will try.
How do I make sure the DDX
>> display driver is in use? Do I check it with `lsmod`?
> If there is a Xorg.0.log file, it over-amply
reports driver in use. Inxi -G also
> reports loaded display driver.
If xf86-video-intel causes problems and I want to
remove it, can I simply
remove the rpm?
Sure, but first: do the problems overlap, or are they an entirely different set?
If different, they might have an easier solution. If yours is like mine, without
it, trying to use any GUI environment is a hopeless endeavor. Please share a
complete Xorg.0.log from attempting use of the Intel DDX via susepaste or other
text-only pastebin.
Does this old Inspiron only have an Intel GPU, or is it like its sister models in
including also an NVidia GPU? What does inxi -GSaz report run from within any X
session, e.g. IceWM if not LXDE or TDE?
Which DM are you using? With TDE installed, I only ever use TDM, though I would
expect it to be fine using LightDM or plain old XDM directly.
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7:03 a.m.
>>>
Make sure the xf86-video-intel rpm is installed and its provided intel
>>> DDX display driver in use to avoid the problem.
>> It is currently not installed, but I will
try. How do I make sure the DDX
>> display driver is in use? Do I check it with `lsmod`?
>> If there is a Xorg.0.log file, it over-amply reports driver in use. Inxi -G also
>> reports loaded display driver. ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
00-keyboard.conf
50-device.conf 50-monitor.conf 50-screen.conf
inxi -G
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics driver: i915
v: kernel
Device-2: OmniVision OV2640 Webcam driver: uvcvideo type: USB
Display: server: X.Org v: 1.20.3 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.1 driver: X:
loaded: intel unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915
resolution: 1680x1050~60Hz
API: OpenGL v: 4.5 Mesa 23.3.4 renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 17.0.6 128 bits)
If
xf86-video-intel causes problems and I want to remove it, can I simply
remove the rpm?
Sure, but first: do the problems overlap, or are they an entirely different set? Does this old Inspiron only have an Intel GPU, or is
it like its sister
models in including also an NVidia GPU?
It only has the integrated Intel GPU GM965/GL960 (unless it is hidden
somewhere, but BIOS only reports the Intel GPU.
What does inxi -GSaz report run from within any X
session, e.g. IceWM if
not LXDE or TDE?
inxi -GSaz
System:
Kernel: 6.4.0-150600.23.33-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
v: 7.5.0 parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-6.4.0-150600.23.33-default
root=UUID=7b81f0d1-d2ee-4fdd-8114-e1f78d068728 splash=silent
resume=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-CT2000MX500SSD1_2431E8BDBBAC-part2
preempt=full quiet security=apparmor mitigations=auto
Desktop: Trinity v: R14.1.3 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0
vt: 2 dm: SDDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.6
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell
driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-4 process: Intel 65n built: 2006-07
ports:
active: LVDS-1 empty: SVIDEO-1,VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID:
8086:2a02
class-ID: 0300
Device-2: OmniVision OV2640 Webcam driver: uvcvideo type: USB rev: 2.0
speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 bus-ID: 3-6:2 chip-ID: 05a9:2640
class-ID: 0e02
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.1
compositor: Picom v: 10 driver: X: loaded: intel
unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0
screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1280x800 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 338x211mm (13.31x8.31")
s-diag: 398mm (15.69")
Monitor-1: LVDS-1 mapped: LVDS1 model: AU Optronics 0x2274 built: 2006
res: 1280x800 hz: 60 dpi: 99 gamma: 1.2 size: 330x210mm (12.99x8.27")
diag: 390mm (15.4") ratio: 16:10 modes: 1280x800
API: OpenGL v: 2.1 Mesa 23.3.4 renderer: Mesa Intel 965GM (CL)
direct-render: Yes
Which DM are you using? With TDE installed, I only
ever use TDM, though I would
expect it to be fine using LightDM or plain old XDM directly.
I am now using TDE. I use LXDE before installing TDE. But once TDE is
installed, I do not login into any other DM.
Thanks!
Gianluca
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1 Feb
4:24 a.m.
On 1/30/25 6:03 PM, Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
I have installed xf86-video-intel and rebooted. I can now login into TDE and
it is stable. However, there is still an issue with openGL. I can start an
application to display 3D molecules (called VMD). Lines and cartoon
representations work, but anything with spheres makes the screen flash and VMD
crashes with "core dumped" (although I cannot find the "core"
file).
You can find more information with:
$ coredumpctl list
Which will list coredumps and whether the file is available or in the journal,
etc..
There is no Xorg.0.log file. Can I or should I create
one?
/var/log/Xorg.0.log
It is created automatically on X startup. The prior log is:
/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
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5:44 a.m.
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, David C. Rankin via tde-users wrote:
Thanks! I did not pay close attention as in the past (a long time ago)
there was a X11 configuration file in /etc/X11 and I thought Felix meant
that one.
I have uploaded Xorg.0.log files before and after the flashing screen:
http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/Files/Alseid/
There is no difference. Also, it may be an issue with memory bandwidth of
this particular card? It is a Intel 965GM. I use VMD for molecular
representation. If I choose to represent all atoms as spheres (instead of
just dots), then the screen flashes and VMD crashes. If I represent only a
small number of atoms as spheres, then it is fine.
It if helps, here is the output from the program VMD that I use for
molecular visualization:
http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/Files/Alseid/vmd_output.txt
Otherwise, the video card seems to work fine. I can watch movies on
youtube, but if I select a fullscreen representation, then the video
output gets slow although the sound plays fine.
Thanks!
Gianluca
On 1/30/25 6:03 PM, Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users
wrote:
There is no
Xorg.0.log file. Can I or should I create one?
/var/log/Xorg.0.log It is created automatically on X startup. The prior
log is:
/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
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5:52 a.m.
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, David C. Rankin via tde-users
wrote:
Thanks! I did not pay close attention as in the past (a long time ago) there
was a X11 configuration file in /etc/X11 and I thought Felix meant that one.
I have uploaded Xorg.0.log files before and after the flashing screen:
http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/Files/Alseid/
There is no difference. Also, it may be an issue with memory bandwidth of
this particular card? It is a Intel 965GM. I use VMD for molecular
representation. If I choose to represent all atoms as spheres (instead of
just dots), then the screen flashes and VMD crashes. If I represent only a
small number of atoms as spheres, then it is fine.
It if helps, here is the output from the program VMD that I use for molecular
visualization:
http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/Files/Alseid/vmd_output.txt
As a comparison, here is the output of VMD with an NVIDIA video card:
http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/Files/Alseid/vmd_output_nvidia.txt
One difference is that "MSAA(16)" is missing for the intel video card.
This could be the reason why some 3D representations of atoms look rougher
with the intel GPU than with NVIDIA.
Gianluca
On 1/30/25 6:03 PM, Gianluca Interlandi via
tde-users wrote:
There is
no Xorg.0.log file. Can I or should I create one?
/var/log/Xorg.0.log Otherwise, the video card seems to work fine. I can
watch movies on youtube,
but if I select a fullscreen representation, then the video output gets slow
although the sound plays fine.
Thanks!
Gianluca
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It is created automatically on X startup. The
prior log is:
/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
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Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users composed on 2025-01-31 14:44 (UTC-0800):
If you rename them from .log to .txt, all web browsers can open them, including mine.
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On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users composed on
2025-01-31 14:44 (UTC-0800):
If you rename them from .log to .txt, all web browsers can open them, including mine.
Done. Sorry,
Gianluca
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Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-31 17:15 (UTC-0800):
Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
> Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-31 14:44
(UTC-0800):
> If you rename them from .log to .txt, all web
browsers can open them, including mine.
Done. Sorry,
Both your Xorg.0.log files are identical, and seem must have come from an aborted
session, only 2.097 seconds long.
The URLs below are from my Dell Optiplex 745 with Q965 intel graphics on:
Debian 12 & 13 using TDE.
https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1d27304e/ 19.02 seconds long
https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0776356c/ 40.936 seconds long
The other is from same PC with Leap 15.6 using KDE3.
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/6fc5527f0e6e 28.468 seconds long
They show what I expect yours should look very much like when all works as it should.
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9:54 a.m.
Hi Felix,
The Xorg.0.log files are not from an aborted session. The session is still
running. I just checked, the Xorg.0.log file is still the exact same as
the ones I posted. It is corrected that those I posted are identical, one
is from before the VMD (openGL application) crashed and the other one from
after. Do we expect a openGL crash to be caught in the Xorg.0.log file?
I also compared your examples with mine. They seem to be the same length
in terms of lines. I cannot really tell what the differences are. I do see
though that in my case 'Device "DDX"' is missing.
Best,
Gianluca
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-31 17:15
(UTC-0800):
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Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
> Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-31
14:44 (UTC-0800):
> If you rename them from .log to .txt, all web
browsers can open them, including mine.
Done. Sorry,
Both your Xorg.0.log files are identical, and seem must have come from an aborted
session, only 2.097 seconds long.
The URLs below are from my Dell Optiplex 745 with Q965 intel graphics on:
Debian 12 & 13 using TDE.
https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1d27304e/
https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0776356c/
40.936 seconds long
The other is from same PC with Leap 15.6 using KDE3.
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/6fc5527f0e6e
28.468 seconds long
They show what I expect yours should look very much like when all works as it should.
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7:24 a.m.
On 1/31/25 4:44 PM, Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
I have uploaded Xorg.0.log files before and after the flashing screen:
Nothing stands out, but Felix will be better versed in Intel graphics than I.
The log only captures X startup, so you wouldn't expect later issues to be
included (generally)
There is no difference. Also, it may be an issue with memory bandwidth of this
particular card? It is a Intel 965GM. I use VMD for molecular representation.
If I choose to represent all atoms as spheres (instead of just dots), then the
screen flashes and VMD crashes. If I represent only a small number of atoms as
spheres, then it is fine.
Felix or others will have to speak to the Intel graphics limitations. It will
use memory shared with the CPU, so you may be memory limited, or depending on
resolution of "full-screen", processor limited to paint the entire screen.
I really doubt both though. I have an old Core2-Duo (E8600 at 3.3GHz) with 4GB
RAM that has the built in Intel graphics and I can run youtube at Full HD
(1920x1080?) on a 59" TV without issue. It taxes the processor to about 80%
(100% at times), but never misses a beat.
Otherwise, the video card seems to work fine. I can watch movies on youtube,
but if I select a fullscreen representation, then the video output gets slow
although the sound plays fine.
Just for completeness, on that old Dell, I've got:
$ inxi -G
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
Display: server: X.Org v: 21.1.15 driver: X: loaded: intel
unloaded: modesetting dri: i915 gpu: i915 resolution: 1600x900~60Hz
API: EGL v: 1.4,1.5 drivers: i915,swrast platforms: x11,surfaceless,device
API: OpenGL v: 4.5 compat-v: 2.1 vendor: mesa v: 24.3.4-arch1.1
renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 19.1.7 128 bits)
Info: Tools: api: eglinfo,glxinfo x11: xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Hopefully Felix can chime in and work a little Intel graphics magic. Good luck!
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David C. Rankin composed on 2025-01-31 18:24 (UTC-0600):
Felix or others will have to speak to the Intel
graphics limitations. It will
use memory shared with the CPU, so you may be memory limited, or depending on
resolution of "full-screen", processor limited to paint the entire screen.
Possibly RAM could play a part, and a change to BIOS settings to preallocate more
RAM to graphics could help by using only contiguous RAM blocks. Perhaps it's time
to run a memory tester as well. Some old RAM just doesn't last as long as one
hopes or expects.
Just for completeness, on that old Dell, I've got:
$ inxi -G
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
G33/31 is Gen3 Intel. *965* is Gen4. Have you tried using his VMD whatever it is
on yours?
Display: server: X.Org v: 21.1.15 driver: X:
loaded: intel
The better supported modesetting driver is not supported by Gen3, forcing you to
use the Intel DDX.
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10:23 a.m.
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-29 16:37 (UTC-0800):
I installed openSUSE 15.6 on an old DELL Inspiron
1520. I decided to give
...
The video card is: Mesa Intel 965GM. I wonder whether
anybody has
I suspect there may ultimately be no solution for this particular
laptop while using Leap 15.6, based upon:
<https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1593> and
<https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212696#c3>
The 965 series is Intel's Gen4 graphics, the oldest version "supported"
by the superior, compared to the intel display driver, modesetting
display driver. I'm afraid the commenter in the suse bug is going to
turn out to be right that it's just to old to expect to get fixed.
That said, potentially, a switch to the backport kernel for leap could solve it:
<http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable:/Backport/standard/x86_64/>
<http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable:/Backport/standard/x86_64/kernel-default-6.13.0-lp156.4.1.gb338842.x86_64.rpm>
Debian 12 is not affected by this issue here, nor is Tumbleweed, at least
while using a 6.6.x longterm kernel. TW's longterm was just switched to
6.12.x, which I have yet to try on my Q965. Trixie, to be released as
Debian 13 this year, has the same issue.
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2025-01-31 18:54 (UTC-0800)
The Xorg.0.log files are not from an aborted session.
The session is still
running. I just checked, the Xorg.0.log file is still the exact same as
the ones I posted. It is corrected that those I posted are identical, one
is from before the VMD (openGL application) crashed and the other one from
after. Do we expect a openGL crash to be caught in the Xorg.0.log file?
I have no idea. Yours could be unrelated to mine. I have no experience with
whatever a VMD is or does.
I also compared your examples with mine. They seem to
be the same length
in terms of lines. I cannot really tell what the differences are. I do see
though that in my case 'Device "DDX"' is missing.
The intel display driver is the DDX. The modesetting driver is a DIX.
DDX - device dependent X driver
DIX - device independent X driver
Dependent means only supports the device brand. Independent works with Intel,
AMD, NVidia and other devices. It's newer, different technology. Thus, bugs
in a DDX may be absent in a DIX, and vice versa.
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11:03 a.m.
The intel display driver is the DDX. The modesetting
driver is a DIX.
DDX - device dependent X driver
DIX - device independent X driver
Dependent means only supports the device brand. Independent works with Intel,
AMD, NVidia and other devices. It's newer, different technology. Thus, bugs
in a DDX may be absent in a DIX, and vice versa.
I'm confused why the Xorg.0.log file does not show DDX since I did install
the RPM xf86-video-intel as you recommended:
rpm -qa | grep xf86-video-intel
xf86-video-intel-2.99.917.916_g31486f40-150500.3.6.1.x86_64
I am happy though that I am now able to login to TDE. Without
xf86-video-intel I could only use LXDE.
As you mention in your second e-mail, it could have to do with the RAM. I
may try to find RAM compatible for this laptop. It also looks like it only
has 3 GB installed instead of the 4 GB supported:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/113849588345?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amd…
Gianluca
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