G'day All Trinity Gurus, I am currently running KMail on a very old KDE/Trinity installation. /etc/issue shows "Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS" which needs to be pensioned off immediately. I have installed tde-14.0.4-ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso onto a newer computer. The installation seems OK and I managed to transfer the mozilla bookmarks to the new computer but getting KMail across has me stumped. Googling did not produce anything useful. :-((( On this old computer the KMail info seems to be stored in /home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail but the new installation seems to have a very different directory structure.
So, can the KMail settings and emails be copied to the newer computer? If anyone knows how, please let me know in GOF-speak (that is words of 2-syllables or less).
Ta, Glen
Hi Glen,
Am Samstag 16 Juni 2018 schrieb Glen Cunningham:
G'day All Trinity Gurus, I am currently running KMail on a very old KDE/Trinity installation. /etc/issue shows "Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS" which needs to be pensioned off immediately. I have installed tde-14.0.4-ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso onto a newer computer. The installation seems OK and I managed to transfer the mozilla bookmarks to the new computer but getting KMail across has me stumped. Googling did not produce anything useful. :-((( On this old computer the KMail info seems to be stored in /home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail but the new installation seems to have a very different directory structure.
So, can the KMail settings and emails be copied to the newer computer? If anyone knows how, please let me know in GOF-speak (that is words of 2-syllables or less).
Ta, Glen
if you find these files in your old config directory, then copy all of them into the new one while kmail is not running:
.trinity/share/config/kmail.eventsrc .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/config/kmailsnippetrc .trinity/share/config/emaildefaults .trinity/share/config/emailidentities
Directories, filters and almost everything is stored in kmailrc. You will want your emailidentities, too, I guess. The other ones are not so important unless you want your previously configured sounds etc.
In addition to the kmail data directory "/home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail" which you already have copied, that should do the trick.
Regards, Stefan
On Saturday 16 June 2018 22:29:29 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Hi Glen,
Am Samstag 16 Juni 2018 schrieb Glen Cunningham:
G'day All Trinity Gurus, I am currently running KMail on a very old KDE/Trinity installation. /etc/issue shows "Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS" which needs to be pensioned off immediately. I have installed tde-14.0.4-ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso onto a newer computer. The installation seems OK and I managed to transfer the mozilla bookmarks to the new computer but getting KMail across has me stumped. Googling did not produce anything useful. :-((( On this old computer the KMail info seems to be stored in /home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail but the new installation seems to have a very different directory structure.
So, can the KMail settings and emails be copied to the newer computer? If anyone knows how, please let me know in GOF-speak (that is words of 2-syllables or less).
Ta, Glen
if you find these files in your old config directory, then copy all of them into the new one while kmail is not running:
.trinity/share/config/kmail.eventsrc .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/config/kmailsnippetrc .trinity/share/config/emaildefaults .trinity/share/config/emailidentities
Directories, filters and almost everything is stored in kmailrc. You will want your emailidentities, too, I guess. The other ones are not so important unless you want your previously configured sounds etc.
In addition to the kmail data directory "/home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail" which you already have copied, that should do the trick.
Regards, Stefan
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Thanks for the reply, Stefan, None of the files that you suggest exit in this old installation. G.
Am Samstag 16 Juni 2018 schrieb Glen Cunningham:
Thanks for the reply, Stefan, None of the files that you suggest exit in this old installation. G.
Hi Glen,
sorry, of course you need to look for these files in your old .kde3 directory as deloptes pointed out as well. That's:
.kde3/share/config/kmailrc
becomes:
.trinity/share/config/kmailrc
Regards, Stefan
On Saturday 16 June 2018 22:57:07 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Am Samstag 16 Juni 2018 schrieb Glen Cunningham:
Thanks for the reply, Stefan, None of the files that you suggest exit in this old installation. G.
Hi Glen,
sorry, of course you need to look for these files in your old .kde3 directory as deloptes pointed out as well. That's:
.kde3/share/config/kmailrc
becomes:
.trinity/share/config/kmailrc
Regards, Stefan
Thanks, Stefan, That looks promising. On this old computer , I have glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$ ls -l kmail* -rw------- 1 glen glen 163 2016-02-14 10:32 kmail.eventsrc -rw------- 1 glen glen 123083 2018-06-16 23:07 kmailrc -rw------- 1 glen glen 201 2018-06-16 22:38 kmailsnippetrc glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$ ls -l email* -rw------- 1 glen glen 156 2018-06-16 22:38 emaildefaults -rw------- 1 glen glen 2357 2018-02-19 15:15 emailidentities glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$
It is too late tonight, but first thing tomorrow, I will try to copy those 5 files to the new computer. Ta, G
On Saturday 16 June 2018 09:22:10 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Saturday 16 June 2018 22:57:07 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Am Samstag 16 Juni 2018 schrieb Glen Cunningham:
Thanks for the reply, Stefan, None of the files that you suggest exit in this old installation. G.
Hi Glen,
sorry, of course you need to look for these files in your old .kde3 directory as deloptes pointed out as well. That's:
.kde3/share/config/kmailrc
becomes:
.trinity/share/config/kmailrc
Regards, Stefan
Thanks, Stefan, That looks promising. On this old computer , I have glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$ ls -l kmail* -rw------- 1 glen glen 163 2016-02-14 10:32 kmail.eventsrc -rw------- 1 glen glen 123083 2018-06-16 23:07 kmailrc -rw------- 1 glen glen 201 2018-06-16 22:38 kmailsnippetrc glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$ ls -l email* -rw------- 1 glen glen 156 2018-06-16 22:38 emaildefaults -rw------- 1 glen glen 2357 2018-02-19 15:15 emailidentities glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$
It is too late tonight, but first thing tomorrow, I will try to copy those 5 files to the new computer. Ta, G
I would print this but because kmail will not print to my laser, I can't.
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On Saturday 16 June 2018 09:41:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Saturday 16 June 2018 09:22:10 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Saturday 16 June 2018 22:57:07 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Am Samstag 16 Juni 2018 schrieb Glen Cunningham:
Thanks for the reply, Stefan, None of the files that you suggest exit in this old installation. G.
Hi Glen,
sorry, of course you need to look for these files in your old .kde3 directory as deloptes pointed out as well. That's:
.kde3/share/config/kmailrc
becomes:
.trinity/share/config/kmailrc
Regards, Stefan
Thanks, Stefan, That looks promising. On this old computer , I have glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$ ls -l kmail* -rw------- 1 glen glen 163 2016-02-14 10:32 kmail.eventsrc -rw------- 1 glen glen 123083 2018-06-16 23:07 kmailrc -rw------- 1 glen glen 201 2018-06-16 22:38 kmailsnippetrc glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$ ls -l email* -rw------- 1 glen glen 156 2018-06-16 22:38 emaildefaults -rw------- 1 glen glen 2357 2018-02-19 15:15 emailidentities glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$
It is too late tonight, but first thing tomorrow, I will try to copy those 5 files to the new computer. Ta, G
I would print this but because kmail will not print to my laser, I can't.
Fixed. Dunno what changed, not a clue. I just deleted the printer from the cups menu, then re-added it using the same foomatic driver. It now works from kmail... That faint scratching sound? Me, scratching head.
One of those thing that make you go "huh?". Like trying to put the deck drive belt back on a 20 year old John Deere rider, without a threading diagram.
Way too much exercise for an old fart, but somebody had to do it. Extra tum's for the calcium, a big B12 pill and some quinine in the night to stop the leg cramps a geriatric old diabetic is prone to. Walking slowly & carefully this morning.
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Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
On Saturday 16 June 2018 09:41:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Saturday 16 June 2018 09:22:10 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Saturday 16 June 2018 22:57:07 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Am Samstag 16 Juni 2018 schrieb Glen Cunningham:
Thanks for the reply, Stefan, None of the files that you suggest exit in this old installation. G.
Hi Glen,
sorry, of course you need to look for these files in your old .kde3 directory as deloptes pointed out as well. That's:
.kde3/share/config/kmailrc
becomes:
.trinity/share/config/kmailrc
Regards, Stefan
Thanks, Stefan, That looks promising. On this old computer , I have glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$ ls -l kmail* -rw------- 1 glen glen 163 2016-02-14 10:32 kmail.eventsrc -rw------- 1 glen glen 123083 2018-06-16 23:07 kmailrc -rw------- 1 glen glen 201 2018-06-16 22:38 kmailsnippetrc glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$ ls -l email* -rw------- 1 glen glen 156 2018-06-16 22:38 emaildefaults -rw------- 1 glen glen 2357 2018-02-19 15:15 emailidentities glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$
It is too late tonight, but first thing tomorrow, I will try to copy those 5 files to the new computer. Ta, G
I would print this but because kmail will not print to my laser, I can't.
Fixed. Dunno what changed, not a clue. I just deleted the printer from the cups menu, then re-added it using the same foomatic driver. It now works from kmail... That faint scratching sound? Me, scratching head.
One of those thing that make you go "huh?". Like trying to put the deck drive belt back on a 20 year old John Deere rider, without a threading diagram.
Way too much exercise for an old fart, but somebody had to do it. Extra tum's for the calcium, a big B12 pill and some quinine in the night to stop the leg cramps a geriatric old diabetic is prone to. Walking slowly & carefully this morning.
I just say "avahi". I have 2 printers of the same name, one I added manually and one .. well, it's sometimes there when the remote printer is available. Printing to both works most of the time, but one of the two has a remote queue, one has a local queue. Funny things happen with documents in the local queue.
Nik
On Sunday 17 June 2018 09:51:32 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
On Saturday 16 June 2018 09:41:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Saturday 16 June 2018 09:22:10 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Saturday 16 June 2018 22:57:07 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Am Samstag 16 Juni 2018 schrieb Glen Cunningham:
Thanks for the reply, Stefan, None of the files that you suggest exit in this old installation. G.
Hi Glen,
sorry, of course you need to look for these files in your old .kde3 directory as deloptes pointed out as well. That's:
.kde3/share/config/kmailrc
becomes:
.trinity/share/config/kmailrc
Regards, Stefan
Thanks, Stefan, That looks promising. On this old computer , I have glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$ ls -l kmail* -rw------- 1 glen glen 163 2016-02-14 10:32 kmail.eventsrc -rw------- 1 glen glen 123083 2018-06-16 23:07 kmailrc -rw------- 1 glen glen 201 2018-06-16 22:38 kmailsnippetrc glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$ ls -l email* -rw------- 1 glen glen 156 2018-06-16 22:38 emaildefaults -rw------- 1 glen glen 2357 2018-02-19 15:15 emailidentities glen@acmena2:~/.kde3/share/config$
It is too late tonight, but first thing tomorrow, I will try to copy those 5 files to the new computer. Ta, G
I would print this but because kmail will not print to my laser, I can't.
Fixed. Dunno what changed, not a clue. I just deleted the printer from the cups menu, then re-added it using the same foomatic driver. It now works from kmail... That faint scratching sound? Me, scratching head.
One of those thing that make you go "huh?". Like trying to put the deck drive belt back on a 20 year old John Deere rider, without a threading diagram.
Way too much exercise for an old fart, but somebody had to do it. Extra tum's for the calcium, a big B12 pill and some quinine in the night to stop the leg cramps a geriatric old diabetic is prone to. Walking slowly & carefully this morning.
I just say "avahi". I have 2 printers of the same name, one I added manually and one .. well, it's sometimes there when the remote printer is available. Printing to both works most of the time, but one of the two has a remote queue, one has a local queue. Funny things happen with documents in the local queue.
Nik
According to the error popups, the pipe broke. But where?
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
Fixed. Dunno what changed, not a clue. I just deleted the printer from the cups menu, then re-added it using the same foomatic driver. It now works from kmail... That faint scratching sound? Me, scratching head. One of those thing that make you go "huh?". Like trying to put the deck drive belt back on a 20 year old John Deere rider, without a threading diagram. Way too much exercise for an old fart, but somebody had to do it. Extra tum's for the calcium, a big B12 pill and some quinine in the night to stop the leg cramps a geriatric old diabetic is prone to. Walking slowly & carefully this morning.
back in the old days of kde-1.x i had what i called "the linux nine-hour rule." it was this: any change to a linux system, no matter how big or small, took nine hours. later, about the time of ted hat 5.1, this was changed to a new rule: "i don't know -- i did some stuff and then it worked." this was invoked when one was asked how a problem got solved.
you seem to have confirmed that the secobd rule is still in force.
dep
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ted hat = red hat.
dep
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On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 10:36 AM, dep dep@drippingwithirony.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
Fixed. Dunno what changed, not a clue. I just deleted the printer from the cups menu, then re-added it using the same foomatic driver. It now works from kmail... That faint scratching sound? Me, scratching head. One of those thing that make you go "huh?". Like trying to put the deck drive belt back on a 20 year old John Deere rider, without a threading diagram. Way too much exercise for an old fart, but somebody had to do it. Extra tum's for the calcium, a big B12 pill and some quinine in the night to stop the leg cramps a geriatric old diabetic is prone to. Walking slowly & carefully this morning.
back in the old days of kde-1.x i had what i called "the linux nine-hour rule." it was this: any change to a linux system, no matter how big or small, took nine hours. later, about the time of ted hat 5.1, this was changed to a new rule: "i don't know -- i did some stuff and then it worked." this was invoked when one was asked how a problem got solved.
you seem to have confirmed that the secobd rule is still in force.
dep
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On Sunday 17 June 2018 10:36:38 dep wrote:
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net
wrote:
Fixed. Dunno what changed, not a clue. I just deleted the printer from the cups menu, then re-added it using the same foomatic driver. It now works from kmail... That faint scratching sound? Me, scratching head. One of those thing that make you go "huh?". Like trying to put the deck drive belt back on a 20 year old John Deere rider, without a threading diagram. Way too much exercise for an old fart, but somebody had to do it. Extra tum's for the calcium, a big B12 pill and some quinine in the night to stop the leg cramps a geriatric old diabetic is prone to. Walking slowly & carefully this morning.
back in the old days of kde-1.x i had what i called "the linux nine-hour rule." it was this: any change to a linux system, no matter how big or small, took nine hours. later, about the time of ted hat 5.1, this was changed to a new rule: "i don't know -- i did some stuff and then it worked." this was invoked when one was asked how a problem got solved.
you seem to have confirmed that the secobd rule is still in force.
dep
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Having lived thru red hat 5.0/5.1, I now believe its one of the physical laws of the universe. 5.1, FWIW, was actually a quite usable distro. If whatever you wanted wasn't available, there was always bash. I still have little bits and pieces of it making my life a lot less work.
said Gene Heskett:
| Having lived thru red hat 5.0/5.1, I now believe its one of the physical | laws of the universe. 5.1, FWIW, was actually a quite usable distro. If | whatever you wanted wasn't available, there was always bash. I still | have little bits and pieces of it making my life a lot less work.
That was during or after the ridiculous nonstandard gcc wars, when everybody produced his own version and associated libraries, such that nothing worked reliably anywhere.
Glen Cunningham wrote:
It is too late tonight, but first thing tomorrow, I will try to copy those 5 files to the new computer.
perhaps best is try what Slavek recommends
"If you migrate from KDE3 / Trinity v3.5.13.x, you can use script migratekde3 instead of manual rename."
regards
On Sunday 17 June 2018 06:04:56 deloptes wrote:
Glen Cunningham wrote:
It is too late tonight, but first thing tomorrow, I will try to copy those 5 files to the new computer.
perhaps best is try what Slavek recommends
"If you migrate from KDE3 / Trinity v3.5.13.x, you can use script migratekde3 instead of manual rename."
regards
The problem is I have KDE 3.5.11 [Trinity] and there is no migrate or update from there. :-(
On Sunday 17 June 2018 01.12:33 Glen Cunningham wrote:
The problem is I have KDE 3.5.11 [Trinity] and there is no migrate or update from there. :-(
Yes, some elements in the kmail structure changed from KDE 3 to TDE (maybe with 3.5.13?).
I had to do the migration by hand.
I reactivated my oooold Toshiba 3480 that still runs KDE 3.2:
the Mail directory is in home and should be migrated to /home/<user>/.trinity/share/apps
I seem to remember there was some file where I could chage where Mail lives, but I can't remember.
Anyway, I was able to move my settings - I think I had to re-enter some information. But that's rather long ago so my memory may be wrong.
Thierry
Glen Cunningham wrote:
Googling did not produce anything useful. :-((( On this old computer the KMail info seems to be stored in /home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail but the new installation seems to have a very different directory structure.
So you copied your home directory - correct?
So, can the KMail settings and emails be copied to the newer computer? If anyone knows how, please let me know in GOF-speak (that is words of 2-syllables or less).
I am not quite sure, if it would work, I did the migration long time ago. What I can recall is that there were some migration scripts automatically running when you first start TDE.
Alternatively you can (of course first backup your ~/.kde3 directory) and you can try moving/renaming or copying ~/.kde3 to ~/.trinity
I am not sure what I did when I moved to TDE - it might have been copy as I think it was quite easy.
regards
On Saturday 16 of June 2018 14:31:34 deloptes wrote:
Glen Cunningham wrote:
Googling did not produce anything useful. :-((( On this old computer the KMail info seems to be stored in /home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail but the new installation seems to have a very different directory structure.
So you copied your home directory - correct?
So, can the KMail settings and emails be copied to the newer computer? If anyone knows how, please let me know in GOF-speak (that is words of 2-syllables or less).
I am not quite sure, if it would work, I did the migration long time ago. What I can recall is that there were some migration scripts automatically running when you first start TDE.
Alternatively you can (of course first backup your ~/.kde3 directory) and you can try moving/renaming or copying ~/.kde3 to ~/.trinity
I am not sure what I did when I moved to TDE - it might have been copy as I think it was quite easy.
regards
If you migrate from KDE3 / Trinity v3.5.13.x, you can use script migratekde3 instead of manual rename.
Cheers
On Saturday 16 June 2018 06:59:47 Glen Cunningham wrote:
G'day All Trinity Gurus, I am currently running KMail on a very old KDE/Trinity installation. /etc/issue shows "Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS" which needs to be pensioned off immediately. I have installed tde-14.0.4-ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso onto a newer computer. The installation seems OK and I managed to transfer the mozilla bookmarks to the new computer but getting KMail across has me stumped. Googling did not produce anything useful. :-((( On this old computer the KMail info seems to be stored in /home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail but the new installation seems to have a very different directory structure.
So, can the KMail settings and emails be copied to the newer computer? If anyone knows how, please let me know in GOF-speak (that is words of 2-syllables or less).
Ta, Glen
I'll be doing that just as quick as slavek can give me the apt-key command to install the trinity repo's key. Without it, apt won't do it. In this case to a debian 9.4 (stretch) install. After that done and trinity is installed, I fully expect to be able to have mc copy the whole corpus of email from wheezy's /home/gene/Mail directory to the new directory on the stretch drive. With my .fetchmailrc, .procmailrc and .spamassassin configs in place, it should just work.
apt-key ????? Ah, found it, all I have to do is reboot to stretch, and find this web page:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions
On Saturday 16 June 2018 03:59:47 Glen Cunningham wrote:
G'day All Trinity Gurus, I am currently running KMail on a very old KDE/Trinity installation. /etc/issue shows "Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS" which needs to be pensioned off immediately. I have installed tde-14.0.4-ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso onto a newer computer. The installation seems OK and I managed to transfer the mozilla bookmarks to the new computer but getting KMail across has me stumped. Googling did not produce anything useful. :-((( On this old computer the KMail info seems to be stored in /home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail but the new installation seems to have a very different directory structure.
So, can the KMail settings and emails be copied to the newer computer? If anyone knows how, please let me know in GOF-speak (that is words of 2-syllables or less).
Ta, Glen
Well, first of all I would backup kmail (and anything else) before a new installation. (~ = your username, or other variables: replace that with whatever is appropriate to your system.) sudo cp -r -v -f /home/~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/* -t /media/~/kmail-backup/ Then I would copy it to your new system from that: sudo cp -r -v -f /media/~/kmail-backup/* -t /opt/trinity/share/apps/kmail/ However, in a pinch you can cut out the middle-man, and just do this: sudo cp -r -v -f /home/~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/* -t /opt/trinity/share/apps/kmail/ Don't forget the asterisk; that's very important.
You might notice some legacy items (old emails that you had long since sent or answered, etc.); but I've done this many times, and haven't actually lost anything, only found some items duplicated.
Bill
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