[trinity-users] Thinkpad X1: FN F1 silence audio, but cannot be activated via the fn keys
Hi
This is a bizarre problem which I did not have in earlier trinity versions. I use the fn F1 key to silence my audio, but then I have to use the *kmixer* (either pulse audio or HDA Intel) to reactive the speaker, the FN keys wouldn't do it, however in earlier version, just raising the volume would open the speaker, now it does not. Is this a BUG?
Regards
Uwe Brauer
"UB" == Uwe Brauer oub.oub.oub@gmail.com writes:
Hi
This is a bizarre problem which I did not have in earlier trinity versions. I use the fn F1 key to silence my audio, but then I have to use the *kmixer* (either pulse audio or HDA Intel) to reactive the speaker, the FN keys wouldn't do it, however in earlier version, just raising the volume would open the speaker, now it does not. Is this a BUG?
To make this clear
1. FN-1 turns of master and speaker
2. But when pressed again turns on master but *not* speaker.
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Uwe Brauer wrote:
To make this clear
FN-1 turns of master and speaker
But when pressed again turns on master but *not* speaker.
There is a patch pending since some time, that Michele was working on recently. From what I have seen he prepared a backport that will go into 14.0 when ready.
Perhaps we should understand and test your use case. I was testing the day before on a VM and older Notebook D520 with the default multimedia keys (usb keyboard with MM keys and MM combination FN+<n>).
I see on the internet that on the Thinkpad X1 FN+1 = Mute FN+2 = decrease volume FN+3 = increase volume
So it seems that default MM keys are being used on your end. I believe the patch will work for you, so be patient or if you can recompile the code, you could help testing it :)
regards
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Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 09:30:31 +0200 deloptes scripsit:
Uwe Brauer wrote:
To make this clear
FN-1 turns of master and speaker
But when pressed again turns on master but *not* speaker.
There is a patch pending since some time, that Michele was working on recently. From what I have seen he prepared a backport that will go into 14.0 when ready.
Perhaps we should understand and test your use case. I was testing the day before on a VM and older Notebook D520 with the default multimedia keys (usb keyboard with MM keys and MM combination FN+<n>).
I see on the internet that on the Thinkpad X1 FN+1 = Mute FN+2 = decrease volume FN+3 = increase volume
So it seems that default MM keys are being used on your end. I believe the patch will work for you, so be patient or if you can recompile the code, you could help testing it :)
I see this on my thinkpads, too. I can mute the sound with the "mute/unmute"-key, but not unmute it again with that key. To unmute I have to press "volume up" or "volume down".
Nik
regards
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Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 09:30:31 +0200 deloptes scripsit:
I see this on my thinkpads, too. I can mute the sound with the "mute/unmute"-key, but not unmute it again with that key. To unmute I have to press "volume up" or "volume down".
This worked in earlier thinkpads (X-201) or earlier releases, now even this does *not* work any more for me.
Since I have to do lately a lot of video conferencing (sounds familiar to most of you), I find the current situation quite uncomfortable, I must say.
Uwe Brauer wrote:
There is a patch pending since some time, that Michele was working on recently. From what I have seen he prepared a backport that will go into 14.0 when ready.
Perhaps we should understand and test your use case. I was testing the day before on a VM and older Notebook D520 with the default multimedia keys (usb keyboard with MM keys and MM combination FN+<n>).
I see on the internet that on the Thinkpad X1 FN+1 = Mute FN+2 = decrease volume FN+3 = increase volume
So it seems that default MM keys are being used on your end. I believe the patch will work for you, so be patient or if you can recompile the code, you could help testing it :)
Thanks (so I have to use git to clone the repository I presume, sigh, fortunately there is the hg-git plugin)
On Sunday 24 May 2020 10:57:17 Uwe Brauer wrote:
Hi,
Is it possible to stop the certificate ?
Thanks, regards.
André
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"a" == ajh-valmer ajh.valmer@free.fr writes:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 10:57:17 Uwe Brauer wrote: Hi,
Is it possible to stop the certificate ?
You mean, you don't want me to smime sign my messages?
As you maybe just noted in his answer, michedlle signed his message as well, he used pgp (not smime) and he even did not use pgm-mime but a good old ASCII signature.
So given that some people sign their message, I would like to know why you want me not to sign it.[1]
Out of courtesy I did not sign the message, but I would like a real good reason for your discrimination.
Thanks
Footnotes: [1] especially given the fact that my signature contains my public key, so you could in principle send me an encrypted message, while this is not the case with pgp signed messages.
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Uwe Brauer wrote:
Thanks (so I have to use git to clone the repository I presume, sigh, fortunately there is the hg-git plugin)
Yes true
look at feat/pa-support (kmix)
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdemultimedia/pulls/19
and feat/pa-support for the OSD part (kmilo)
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdeutils/pulls/26
Michele reported that in some cases it is good to reset to default MM keys or reset custom again. For me it worked on the fly.
regards
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On 2020/05/24 06:45 PM, deloptes wrote:
Uwe Brauer wrote:
Thanks (so I have to use git to clone the repository I presume, sigh, fortunately there is the hg-git plugin)
Yes true
look at feat/pa-support (kmix)
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdemultimedia/pulls/19
and feat/pa-support for the OSD part (kmilo)
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdeutils/pulls/26
Michele reported that in some cases it is good to reset to default MM keys or reset custom again. For me it worked on the fly.
regards
Hi everyone, I am replying here to all emails in this thread
The problem with mute/unmute is caused by PulseAudio and it is a long standing issue (I found posts from 2011 about this in internet). Basically this happens when we are muting/unmuting the ALSA master channel instead of PA master channel. Muting ALSA master will also mute PA master (which may even mute ALSA PCM as a consequence). Unmuting ALSA master will unmute such channel but not PA master. The correct way is to mute/unmute PA master.
The current KMix/KMilo code in master and R14.0.x does not support PA well and this problem is a consequence of that. I have recently prepared a full fix that will go in master branch probably tomorrow, but given that it brings along a significant API change, it won't make it to R14.0.x branch. Anyhow a small section of the fix will be backported to address some of the issues I found will fixing PA support for R14.1.0.
For the time being (till R14.1.0 is out - possibly end of 2020) you have the following choices:
1) you can mute/unmute from the KMix slider LED, this should work fine with PA already
2) you can open KMix mixer windod -> Settings -> Configure global shortcuts and remap the "toggle mute" keyboard shortcut to some other key combination. Do not use "XF86AudioMute" key, since this is normally used by KMilo and therefore may not work
3) you can create a script that calls "dcop kmix Mixer-1 toggleMasterMute", this will mute/unmute the PA master channel. You can add an input action tied to a keyboard shortcut to call this easy.
4) if you are on debian-like distro, you could switch to Slavek's PTB packages and get the latest R14.1.0-dev packages at regular intervals. This will bring you the complete fix in a few days
Cheers Michele
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Hi thanks for this detailed answer
For the time being (till R14.1.0 is out - possibly end of 2020) you have the following choices:
- you can mute/unmute from the KMix slider LED, this should work fine with PA already
This works but it is inconvenient since you have to fiddle with controls
- you can open KMix mixer windod -> Settings -> Configure global shortcuts and remap the "toggle mute" keyboard
shortcut to some other key combination. Do not use "XF86AudioMute" key, since this is normally used by KMilo and therefore may not work
Thanks for this but: it does *not work*.
I just bound it to Win+F1 for testing: this «Toogle mute» only switches the master but not the speaker, so it does the same as does Fn-F1
- you can create a script that calls "dcop kmix Mixer-1 toggleMasterMute", this will mute/unmute the PA master
channel. You can add an input action tied to a keyboard shortcut to call this easy.
The script works, nicely
- if you are on debian-like distro, you could switch to Slavek's PTB packages and get the latest R14.1.0-dev packages
at regular intervals. This will bring you the complete fix in a few days
does that mean Ubuntu included?
Would you mind telling me the ppa?
Thanks again
Uwe PS I signed this message, since you did the same, some people do complain, though
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- you can open KMix mixer windod -> Settings -> Configure global shortcuts and remap the "toggle mute" keyboard
shortcut to some other key combination. Do not use "XF86AudioMute" key, since this is normally used by KMilo and therefore may not work
Thanks for this but: it does *not work*.
I just bound it to Win+F1 for testing: this «Toogle mute» only switches the master but not the speaker, so it does the same as does Fn-F1
Uhm.. I am not sure what you mean by "speaker". Is that the speaker icon in KMix? In that case, see bug 3110. It will be fixed soon, once the PR mentioned that will be merged (possibly tomorrow). If you mean something else, please clarify :-)
- if you are on debian-like distro, you could switch to Slavek's PTB packages and get the latest R14.1.0-dev
packages at regular intervals. This will bring you the complete fix in a few days
does that mean Ubuntu included?
All distros for which PTB are built, so ubuntu included. See here: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Testing_Builds
Cheers Michele
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On Sunday 24 May 2020 08:11:34 Uwe Brauer wrote:
Hi thanks for this detailed answer
For the time being (till R14.1.0 is out - possibly end of 2020) you have the following choices:
- you can mute/unmute from the KMix slider LED, this should work
fine with PA already
This works but it is inconvenient since you have to fiddle with controls
- you can open KMix mixer windod -> Settings -> Configure global
shortcuts and remap the "toggle mute" keyboard shortcut to some other key combination. Do not use "XF86AudioMute" key, since this is normally used by KMilo and therefore may not work
Thanks for this but: it does *not work*.
I just bound it to Win+F1 for testing: this «Toogle mute» only switches the master but not the speaker, so it does the same as does Fn-F1
- you can create a script that calls "dcop kmix Mixer-1
toggleMasterMute", this will mute/unmute the PA master channel. You can add an input action tied to a keyboard shortcut to call this easy.
The script works, nicely
- if you are on debian-like distro, you could switch to Slavek's
PTB packages and get the latest R14.1.0-dev packages at regular intervals. This will bring you the complete fix in a few days
does that mean Ubuntu included?
Would you mind telling me the ppa?
Thanks again
Uwe PS I signed this message, since you did the same, some people do complain, though
Thats because the key issuer is some sort of all caps, 3 line swahili we never heard of before. All of a sudden we're getting popups from pientry-gnome3 asking us to swear that this key signer is legit. How theheck are wwe to know?
And it doesn't copy-paste, blocks all other input while its present on screen. Being the paranoid old fart I am, I am not about to click ok on such a mystery message. click on close or cancel changes the main, yellow kmail warning to click this for details, I click and it then says no details available. Is there a switch to shut this stuff off?
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 10:59:51 -0400 Gene Heskett scripsit:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 08:11:34 Uwe Brauer wrote:
Hi thanks for this detailed answer
For the time being (till R14.1.0 is out - possibly end of 2020) you have the following choices:
- you can mute/unmute from the KMix slider LED, this should work
fine with PA already
This works but it is inconvenient since you have to fiddle with controls
- you can open KMix mixer windod -> Settings -> Configure global
shortcuts and remap the "toggle mute" keyboard shortcut to some other key combination. Do not use "XF86AudioMute" key, since this is normally used by KMilo and therefore may not work
Thanks for this but: it does *not work*.
I just bound it to Win+F1 for testing: this «Toogle mute» only switches the master but not the speaker, so it does the same as does Fn-F1
- you can create a script that calls "dcop kmix Mixer-1
toggleMasterMute", this will mute/unmute the PA master channel. You can add an input action tied to a keyboard shortcut to call this easy.
The script works, nicely
- if you are on debian-like distro, you could switch to Slavek's
PTB packages and get the latest R14.1.0-dev packages at regular intervals. This will bring you the complete fix in a few days
does that mean Ubuntu included?
Would you mind telling me the ppa?
Thanks again
Uwe PS I signed this message, since you did the same, some people do complain, though
Thats because the key issuer is some sort of all caps, 3 line swahili we never heard of before. All of a sudden we're getting popups from pientry-gnome3 asking us to swear that this key signer is legit. How theheck are wwe to know?
And it doesn't copy-paste, blocks all other input while its present on screen. Being the paranoid old fart I am, I am not about to click ok on such a mystery message. click on close or cancel changes the main, yellow kmail warning to click this for details, I click and it then says no details available. Is there a switch to shut this stuff off?
I have a filter for kmail that handles anoying stuff. Signed mails are not in this group for me, so it's missing this feature ... but feel free to extend it :)
Nik
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Just a fyi , I had the same problems with a thinkpad x220, T400 and T410, and stopped using trinity mostly for that reason. its not just fn+f1 its just all the thinkpad buttons and shortcuts not working in tde, wether it is for sound, suspend, luminosity . . . for years.
I ll watch this tread and possibly get back to trying tde if/when this is fixed one day.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 10:21 AM Dr. Nikolaus Klepp office@klepp.biz wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 10:59:51 -0400 Gene Heskett scripsit:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 08:11:34 Uwe Brauer wrote:
Hi thanks for this detailed answer
For the time being (till R14.1.0 is out - possibly end of 2020) you have the following choices:
- you can mute/unmute from the KMix slider LED, this should work
fine with PA already
This works but it is inconvenient since you have to fiddle with controls
- you can open KMix mixer windod -> Settings -> Configure global
shortcuts and remap the "toggle mute" keyboard shortcut to some other key combination. Do not use "XF86AudioMute" key, since this is normally used by KMilo and therefore may not work
Thanks for this but: it does *not work*.
I just bound it to Win+F1 for testing: this «Toogle mute» only switches the master but not the speaker, so it does the same as does Fn-F1
- you can create a script that calls "dcop kmix Mixer-1
toggleMasterMute", this will mute/unmute the PA master channel. You can add an input action tied to a keyboard shortcut to call this easy.
The script works, nicely
- if you are on debian-like distro, you could switch to Slavek's
PTB packages and get the latest R14.1.0-dev packages at regular intervals. This will bring you the complete fix in a few days
does that mean Ubuntu included?
Would you mind telling me the ppa?
Thanks again
Uwe PS I signed this message, since you did the same, some people do complain, though
Thats because the key issuer is some sort of all caps, 3 line swahili we never heard of before. All of a sudden we're getting popups from pientry-gnome3 asking us to swear that this key signer is legit. How theheck are wwe to know?
And it doesn't copy-paste, blocks all other input while its present on screen. Being the paranoid old fart I am, I am not about to click ok on such a mystery message. click on close or cancel changes the main, yellow kmail warning to click this for details, I click and it then says no details available. Is there a switch to shut this stuff off?
I have a filter for kmail that handles anoying stuff. Signed mails are not in this group for me, so it's missing this feature ... but feel free to extend it :)
Nik
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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On 2020/05/25 01:24 AM, william wrote:
Just a fyi , I had the same problems with a thinkpad x220, T400 and T410, and stopped using trinity mostly for that reason. its not just fn+f1 its just all the thinkpad buttons and shortcuts not working in tde, wether it is for sound, suspend, luminosity . . . for years.
I ll watch this tread and possibly get back to trying tde if/when this is fixed one day.
Hi William, some questions: 1) did you have kmilo-trinity package installed? 2) did you also have the kmilo-legacy-trinity installed? This contains additional code for specific notebook, including Thinkpad 3) if you still had issues after 1) and 2), would you be interested in helping testing? we don't have a thinkpad to test, but we could look at the code and you could test/feedback on what works and what not.
Cheers Michele
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On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:20 PM Michele Calgaro via trinity-users trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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On 2020/05/25 01:24 AM, william wrote:
Just a fyi , I had the same problems with a thinkpad x220, T400 and T410, and stopped using trinity mostly for that reason. its not just fn+f1 its just all the thinkpad buttons and shortcuts not working in tde, wether it is for sound, suspend, luminosity . . . for years.
I ll watch this tread and possibly get back to trying tde if/when this is fixed one day.
Hi William, some questions:
- did you have kmilo-trinity package installed?
I cant be sure, if its not installed automatically by following the instructions from https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instr... it was probably not installed.
- did you also have the kmilo-legacy-trinity installed? This contains additional code for specific notebook,
including Thinkpad
reinstalling now, will test tomorrow
- if you still had issues after 1) and 2), would you be interested in helping testing? we don't have a thinkpad to
test, but we could look at the code and you could test/feedback on what works and what not.
sure, trinity is my preferred wm since kde3 ;) if I can help I will
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- if you still had issues after 1) and 2), would you be interested in helping testing? we don't have a thinkpad
to test, but we could look at the code and you could test/feedback on what works and what not.
sure, trinity is my preferred wm since kde3 ;) if I can help I will
Fantastic, looking forward for that. I would suggest using Slavke's PSB, they are the same as R14.0.x, but contains all the fixes that would go into the next stable release. You just get them progressively rather than wait for the lext release ;-)
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds
Cheers Michele
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for now, after a default install from https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instr... this kmilo-trinity was not installed
installing it now, will try tomorrow
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:02 PM Michele Calgaro via trinity-users trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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- if you still had issues after 1) and 2), would you be interested in helping testing? we don't have a thinkpad
to test, but we could look at the code and you could test/feedback on what works and what not.
sure, trinity is my preferred wm since kde3 ;) if I can help I will
Fantastic, looking forward for that. I would suggest using Slavke's PSB, they are the same as R14.0.x, but contains all the fixes that would go into the next stable release. You just get them progressively rather than wait for the lext release ;-)
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds
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ok, so i m back to tde for testing on my old thinkpad T410 !
for now, after a default install from https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instr... this kmilo-trinity was not installed
TDE R14 + kmilo-trinity phisical sound buttons : 100% working physical mute button : muting works, unmuting says "mute off" but doesnt unmute, I have to manually right click the sound icon to unmute. fn keys for luminosity : 100% not working fn+f5 for radio : working fn+f4 suspend : working fn+f6 : not working fn+f7 screen switch : not working fn+f2 screenlock , just disappearing windows, no more available on alt+tab, but still there, not locking
add5ng th5s
installing it now, will try tomorrow
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:02 PM Michele Calgaro via trinity-users trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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- if you still had issues after 1) and 2), would you be interested in helping testing? we don't have a thinkpad
to test, but we could look at the code and you could test/feedback on what works and what not.
sure, trinity is my preferred wm since kde3 ;) if I can help I will
Fantastic, looking forward for that. I would suggest using Slavke's PSB, they are the same as R14.0.x, but contains all the fixes that would go into the next stable release. You just get them progressively rather than wait for the lext release ;-)
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds
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Hi William, Thierry, I am replying here to both of you to avoid having two thread on the same topic
See my comments mixed with Williams' ones. Similar consideration applies for Thierry's comment, I simply won't repeat th em
TDE R14 + kmilo-trinity phisical sound buttons : 100% working physical mute button : muting works, unmuting says "mute off" but doesnt unmute, I have to manually right click the sound icon to unmute.
The unmute issue is known and actually fixed in R14.1.0 development branch. For R14.0.x you have to leave with the work around I explained in a previous email on this thread.
fn keys for luminosity : 100% not working
Functionality was added in R14.0.9-development branch. Works on a few notebooks we tried, may need extra work here if you are using that version already
fn+f6 : not working
What is Fn+F6 supposed to do? I don't have a Thinkpad here :-)
fn+f7 screen switch : not working
What is Fn+F7 supposed to do? I don't have a Thinkpad here :-)
fn+f2 screenlock , just disappearing windows, no more available on alt+tab, but still there, not locking
I assume Fn+F2 is supposed to lock your screen right? But it doesn't lock.
A few extra questions for William: 1) what distro and what TDE version are you using (this is important in fact). 2) if you are on a deb-like distro, there is a kmilo-legacy-trinity package (not sure how things are packaged for .rpm distros). If you install that, do you see any difference (both in better or worse).
A few points for both of you: 1) could you run the "xev" command and report the key codes you receive when pressing those key combinations? A list like "<key pressed> - key code from xev - expeced action" would be great. This is actually very important. Please do so for each laptop, so we can see if there is any difference on that 2) I assume from your comments you have PulseAudio installed. If not please let me know
Thanks for the support to all of you. By the way if we want to pas you a patch for testing, would you be able to build that locally on your computer? Otherwise Slavek and I will have to find another way for that, so better we know in advance :-)
Cheers Michele
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fn+f6 : not working
What is Fn+F6 supposed to do? I don't have a Thinkpad here :-)
not sure , the icon here shows headphones and camera, something like marck uckerberg switch, blocking physically the camera and sound :p
fn+f7 screen switch : not working
What is Fn+F7 supposed to do? I don't have a Thinkpad here :-)
switching screens, to the external 1 external, both or basic integrated laptop screen cool for multiscreen and professional presentations.
fn+f2 screenlock , just disappearing windows, no more available on alt+tab, but still there, not locking
I assume Fn+F2 is supposed to lock your screen right? But it doesn't lock.
I would choose that option, dunno about the real windows/thinkpad choice and i dont care ;)
A few extra questions for William:
- what distro and what TDE version are you using (this is important in fact).
I said it in last mail : TDE R14 + kmilo-trinity on t410 i ll switch to stable builds if needed ;)
- if you are on a deb-like distro, there is a kmilo-legacy-trinity package (not sure how things are packaged for .rpm
distros). If you install that, do you see any difference (both in better or worse).
yes ubuntu, bionic
I plan to switch to legacy soon to see a difference
A few points for both of you:
- could you run the "xev" command and report the key codes you receive when pressing those key combinations? A list
like "<key pressed> - key code from xev - expeced action" would be great. This is actually very important. Please do so for each laptop, so we can see if there is any difference on that 2) I assume from your comments you have PulseAudio installed. If not please let me know
ok I will do tell me if there are some useful options to add to the xev command line
Thanks for the support to all of you. By the way if we want to pas you a patch for testing, would you be able to build that locally on your computer? Otherwise Slavek and I will have to find another way for that, so better we know in advance :-)
thanks to you ! tde is still here, and rocking, mostly thanks to you, and we need it forever ! . thanks to be here.
Cheers Michele
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Hi William, thanks for the quick answer.
I said it in last mail : TDE R14 + kmilo-trinity on t410 i ll switch to stable builds if needed ;)
Sorry I missed that and also for being pedantic on this, but since there are differences in the code among the following options, I am going to ask again :-) 1) R14.1.0-dev (basically Slavek's PTB) 2) R14.0.x-dev (basically Slaveks' PSB) 3) R14.0.8 official release. Lot of kmix fixes are in 1) and some in 2), so it does make a difference in behavior when you test.
do tell me if there are some useful options to add to the xev command line
Just run xev from Konsole, then press those buttons and among the output you should see the key code generated
Cheers Michele
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On Tuesday 26 of May 2020 06:23:00 Michele Calgaro via trinity-users wrote:
Hi William, thanks for the quick answer.
I said it in last mail : TDE R14 + kmilo-trinity on t410 i ll switch to stable builds if needed ;)
Sorry I missed that and also for being pedantic on this, but since there are differences in the code among the following options, I am going to ask again :-)
- R14.1.0-dev (basically Slavek's PTB)
- R14.0.x-dev (basically Slaveks' PSB)
- R14.0.8 official release.
Lot of kmix fixes are in 1) and some in 2), so it does make a difference in behavior when you test.
do tell me if there are some useful options to add to the xev command line
Just run xev from Konsole, then press those buttons and among the output you should see the key code generated
Cheers Michele
FYI: tdemultimedia packages (kmix) was updated last night, tdeutils (kmilo) is being built right now - they will be in progress today.
Cheers
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 25 May 23:11:28 -0500 william scripsit:
fn+f6 : not working
What is Fn+F6 supposed to do? I don't have a Thinkpad here :-)
not sure , the icon here shows headphones and camera, something like marck uckerberg switch, blocking physically the camera and sound :p
on my T6x it's touchpoint vs. touchpad. Dont't know if it works, I have touchpad disabled in BIOS.
fn+f7 screen switch : not working
What is Fn+F7 supposed to do? I don't have a Thinkpad here :-)
switching screens, to the external 1 external, both or basic integrated laptop screen cool for multiscreen and professional presentations.
Have never seen this work before, but would have had some sude last weekend :)
fn+f2 screenlock , just disappearing windows, no more available on alt+tab, but still there, not locking
I assume Fn+F2 is supposed to lock your screen right? But it doesn't lock.
I would choose that option, dunno about the real windows/thinkpad choice and i dont care ;)
It should bring up the screensaver in locked state.
Nik
A few extra questions for William:
- what distro and what TDE version are you using (this is important in fact).
I said it in last mail : TDE R14 + kmilo-trinity on t410 i ll switch to stable builds if needed ;)
- if you are on a deb-like distro, there is a kmilo-legacy-trinity package (not sure how things are packaged for .rpm
distros). If you install that, do you see any difference (both in better or worse).
yes ubuntu, bionic
I plan to switch to legacy soon to see a difference
A few points for both of you:
- could you run the "xev" command and report the key codes you receive when pressing those key combinations? A list
like "<key pressed> - key code from xev - expeced action" would be great. This is actually very important. Please do so for each laptop, so we can see if there is any difference on that 2) I assume from your comments you have PulseAudio installed. If not please let me know
ok I will do tell me if there are some useful options to add to the xev command line
Thanks for the support to all of you. By the way if we want to pas you a patch for testing, would you be able to build that locally on your computer? Otherwise Slavek and I will have to find another way for that, so better we know in advance :-)
thanks to you ! tde is still here, and rocking, mostly thanks to you, and we need it forever ! . thanks to be here.
Cheers Michele
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On Monday 25 May 2020 04.17:40 Michele Calgaro via trinity-users wrote:
we don't have a thinkpad to test, but we could look at the code and you could test/feedback on what works and what not.
Cheers Michele
I have quite a lot of Thinkpads here, many older but also relatively newer models, so if you to try anything...
Thierry
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On 2020/05/25 02:48 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 25 May 2020 04.17:40 Michele Calgaro via trinity-users wrote:
we don't have a thinkpad to test, but we could look at the code and you could test/feedback on what works and what not.
Cheers Michele
I have quite a lot of Thinkpads here, many older but also relatively newer models, so if you to try anything...
Thierry
Great, that will surely be a good test bed. As a start, can you let us know: 1) what distro and TDE version you normally use 2) whether Fn keys for volune/brightness or other functions work (or which ones work and which ones not) 3) if you have kmilo and kmilo-legacy installed. If not please repeat the tests in 2) and let us know.
Thanks for the support. Cheers Michele
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On Monday 25 May 2020 08.46:17 Michele Calgaro via trinity-users wrote:
Great, that will surely be a good test bed. As a start, can you let us know: 1) what distro and TDE version you normally use 2) whether Fn keys for volune/brightness or other functions work (or which ones work and which ones not) 3) if you have kmilo and kmilo-legacy installed. If not please repeat the tests in 2) and let us know.
Thanks for the support. Cheers Michele
I will do that but it will take some time...
As to the distribution most of my computers run Debian in some flavour.
Regards,
Thierry
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On Monday 25 May 2020 08.46:17 Michele Calgaro via trinity-users wrote:
- if you have kmilo and kmilo-legacy
installed. If not please repeat the tests in 2) and let us know.
Should I install both? Or should kmilo-legacy-trinity be used only on older models where kmilo-trinity does not work?
Thierry
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On 2020/05/25 05:36 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 25 May 2020 08.46:17 Michele Calgaro via trinity-users wrote:
- if you have kmilo and kmilo-legacy installed. If not please repeat the tests in 2) and let us know.
Should I install both? Or should kmilo-legacy-trinity be used only on older models where kmilo-trinity does not work?
Thierry
Debian is good :-)
kmilo adds general support. kmilo-legacy adds support for special laptop, one of which is the thinkpad. I suggest you try with kmilo only first. If something doesn't work, try installing kmilo-legacy and test again.
Cheers Michele
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So, I've done some first tests and I can confirm the following:
Thinkpad T440p / Debian 10 / R 14.0.9 (Development) / kmilo-trinity & legacy HDA Intel PCH
FN - F1/F2/F3: mute on/off is shown, but no effect Sound 100& / 90% appears but no effect There are some problems with HDA Intel PCH and HDMI: some time kmix tries to control HDMI so HDA Intel PCH does not react.
Thinkpad X220 Tablet / Debian 9 / R 14.0.5 (Development) kmilo-trinity & legacy
Fn-Home / Fn-End work (screen backlight) Fn- sound keys (play, stop, etc...) don't work Sound +/- button (physical) work Mute button mutes but does not unmute. It does print "unmute" on screen, but I need to use kmixer to get sound back.
Thinkpad T400 / Debian 9 / R 14.0.8 /kmilo-trinity & Legacy
Fn-Home / Fn-End work (screen backlight) Fn- sound keys (play, stop, etc...) don't work Sound +/- button (physical) work Mute button mutes but does not unmute. It does print "unmute" on screen and kmimx icon shows mute, but I need to use kmixer to get sound back.
I did not test other buttons.
Thierry
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On Sunday 24 May 2020 11:21:16 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 10:59:51 -0400
Gene Heskett scripsit:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 08:11:34 Uwe Brauer wrote:
Hi thanks for this detailed answer
For the time being (till R14.1.0 is out - possibly end of 2020) you have the following choices:
- you can mute/unmute from the KMix slider LED, this should
work fine with PA already
This works but it is inconvenient since you have to fiddle with controls
- you can open KMix mixer windod -> Settings -> Configure
global shortcuts and remap the "toggle mute" keyboard shortcut to some other key combination. Do not use "XF86AudioMute" key, since this is normally used by KMilo and therefore may not work
Thanks for this but: it does *not work*.
I just bound it to Win+F1 for testing: this «Toogle mute» only switches the master but not the speaker, so it does the same as does Fn-F1
- you can create a script that calls "dcop kmix Mixer-1
toggleMasterMute", this will mute/unmute the PA master channel. You can add an input action tied to a keyboard shortcut to call this easy.
The script works, nicely
- if you are on debian-like distro, you could switch to
Slavek's PTB packages and get the latest R14.1.0-dev packages at regular intervals. This will bring you the complete fix in a few days
does that mean Ubuntu included?
Would you mind telling me the ppa?
Thanks again
Uwe PS I signed this message, since you did the same, some people do complain, though
Thats because the key issuer is some sort of all caps, 3 line swahili we never heard of before. All of a sudden we're getting popups from pientry-gnome3 asking us to swear that this key signer is legit. How theheck are wwe to know?
And it doesn't copy-paste, blocks all other input while its present on screen. Being the paranoid old fart I am, I am not about to click ok on such a mystery message. click on close or cancel changes the main, yellow kmail warning to click this for details, I click and it then says no details available. Is there a switch to shut this stuff off?
I have a filter for kmail that handles anoying stuff. Signed mails are not in this group for me, so it's missing this feature ... but feel free to extend it :)
Nik
I've no clue how Nik. And the procmail gauntlet I run all this stuff past finds and quarantines megabytes of virii and phishing stuff a year, hasn't a clue how to deal with this. Please get rid of the popup, its not informative in the least, and being an input blocker, it qualifies as a pain in the ass. kmails one line color highlighted advisory message is more than enough of a warning.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 12:38:38 -0400 Gene Heskett scripsit:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 11:21:16 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 10:59:51 -0400
Gene Heskett scripsit:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 08:11:34 Uwe Brauer wrote:
Hi thanks for this detailed answer
For the time being (till R14.1.0 is out - possibly end of 2020) you have the following choices:
- you can mute/unmute from the KMix slider LED, this should
work fine with PA already
This works but it is inconvenient since you have to fiddle with controls
- you can open KMix mixer windod -> Settings -> Configure
global shortcuts and remap the "toggle mute" keyboard shortcut to some other key combination. Do not use "XF86AudioMute" key, since this is normally used by KMilo and therefore may not work
Thanks for this but: it does *not work*.
I just bound it to Win+F1 for testing: this «Toogle mute» only switches the master but not the speaker, so it does the same as does Fn-F1
- you can create a script that calls "dcop kmix Mixer-1
toggleMasterMute", this will mute/unmute the PA master channel. You can add an input action tied to a keyboard shortcut to call this easy.
The script works, nicely
- if you are on debian-like distro, you could switch to
Slavek's PTB packages and get the latest R14.1.0-dev packages at regular intervals. This will bring you the complete fix in a few days
does that mean Ubuntu included?
Would you mind telling me the ppa?
Thanks again
Uwe PS I signed this message, since you did the same, some people do complain, though
Thats because the key issuer is some sort of all caps, 3 line swahili we never heard of before. All of a sudden we're getting popups from pientry-gnome3 asking us to swear that this key signer is legit. How theheck are wwe to know?
And it doesn't copy-paste, blocks all other input while its present on screen. Being the paranoid old fart I am, I am not about to click ok on such a mystery message. click on close or cancel changes the main, yellow kmail warning to click this for details, I click and it then says no details available. Is there a switch to shut this stuff off?
I have a filter for kmail that handles anoying stuff. Signed mails are not in this group for me, so it's missing this feature ... but feel free to extend it :)
Nik
I've no clue how Nik. And the procmail gauntlet I run all this stuff past finds and quarantines megabytes of virii and phishing stuff a year, hasn't a clue how to deal with this. Please get rid of the popup, its not informative in the least, and being an input blocker, it qualifies as a pain in the ass. kmails one line color highlighted advisory message is more than enough of a warning.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Fun part is: why does pientry-gnome3 come up for you? I haven't installed it, maybe just delete thet thing?
Nik
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 May 2020 12:57:38 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
I've no clue how Nik. And the procmail gauntlet I run all this stuff past finds and quarantines megabytes of virii and phishing stuff a year, hasn't a clue how to deal with this. Please get rid of the popup, its not informative in the least, and being an input blocker, it qualifies as a pain in the ass. kmails one line color highlighted advisory message is more than enough of a warning.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Fun part is: why does pientry-gnome3 come up for you? I haven't installed it, maybe just delete thet thing?
Would if I could: gene@coyote:~$ sudo apt purge pientry-gnome3 [sudo] password for gene: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package pientry-gnome3
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 13:15:53 -0400 Gene Heskett scripsit:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 12:57:38 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
I've no clue how Nik. And the procmail gauntlet I run all this stuff past finds and quarantines megabytes of virii and phishing stuff a year, hasn't a clue how to deal with this. Please get rid of the popup, its not informative in the least, and being an input blocker, it qualifies as a pain in the ass. kmails one line color highlighted advisory message is more than enough of a warning.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Fun part is: why does pientry-gnome3 come up for you? I haven't installed it, maybe just delete thet thing?
Would if I could: gene@coyote:~$ sudo apt purge pientry-gnome3 [sudo] password for gene: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package pientry-gnome3
you might try "pinentry-gnome3" :)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 May 2020 13:42:37 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 13:15:53 -0400
Gene Heskett scripsit:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 12:57:38 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
I've no clue how Nik. And the procmail gauntlet I run all this stuff past finds and quarantines megabytes of virii and phishing stuff a year, hasn't a clue how to deal with this. Please get rid of the popup, its not informative in the least, and being an input blocker, it qualifies as a pain in the ass. kmails one line color highlighted advisory message is more than enough of a warning.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Fun part is: why does pientry-gnome3 come up for you? I haven't installed it, maybe just delete thet thing?
Would if I could: gene@coyote:~$ sudo apt purge pientry-gnome3 [sudo] password for gene: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package pientry-gnome3
you might try "pinentry-gnome3" :)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
That removed 4 packages, but I still get a popup from Uwe B's posts, but apparently only once? And looks slightly diff but same data claims. Me, goes off scratching what little hair is left.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 14:25:45 -0400 Gene Heskett scripsit:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 13:42:37 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 13:15:53 -0400
Gene Heskett scripsit:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 12:57:38 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
I've no clue how Nik. And the procmail gauntlet I run all this stuff past finds and quarantines megabytes of virii and phishing stuff a year, hasn't a clue how to deal with this. Please get rid of the popup, its not informative in the least, and being an input blocker, it qualifies as a pain in the ass. kmails one line color highlighted advisory message is more than enough of a warning.
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
Fun part is: why does pientry-gnome3 come up for you? I haven't installed it, maybe just delete thet thing?
Would if I could: gene@coyote:~$ sudo apt purge pientry-gnome3 [sudo] password for gene: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package pientry-gnome3
you might try "pinentry-gnome3" :)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
That removed 4 packages, but I still get a popup from Uwe B's posts, but apparently only once? And looks slightly diff but same data claims. Me, goes off scratching what little hair is left.
Funny. I don't have that popup. Can you check which program it comes from?
Nik
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Sunday 24 May 2020 01:35:18 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 14:25:45 -0400
Gene Heskett scripsit:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 13:42:37 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 13:15:53 -0400
Gene Heskett scripsit:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 12:57:38 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
I've no clue how Nik. And the procmail gauntlet I run all this stuff past finds and quarantines megabytes of virii and phishing stuff a year, hasn't a clue how to deal with this. Please get rid of the popup, its not informative in the least, and being an input blocker, it qualifies as a pain in the ass. kmails one line color highlighted advisory message is more than enough of a warning.
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
Fun part is: why does pientry-gnome3 come up for you? I haven't installed it, maybe just delete thet thing?
Would if I could: gene@coyote:~$ sudo apt purge pientry-gnome3 [sudo] password for gene: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package pientry-gnome3
you might try "pinentry-gnome3" :)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
That removed 4 packages, but I still get a popup from Uwe B's posts, but apparently only once? And looks slightly diff but same data claims. Me, goes off scratching what little hair is left.
Funny. I don't have that popup. Can you check which program it comes from?
I get that same pop-up. But I get it for basically everyone using signed mail, not just Uwe. It is annoying. I always just click cancel, but would be interested in some sort of "just don't check" checkbox.
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On Sun, 24 May 2020, Michael wrote:
I get that same pop-up. But I get it for basically everyone using signed mail, not just Uwe. It is annoying. I always just click cancel, but would be interested in some sort of "just don't check" checkbox.
Maybe `ps -ux` from a console after it pops up will lead you to the culprit. Too, maybe `tree` could help.
Jonesy
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Gene Heskett wrote:
That removed 4 packages, but I still get a popup from Uwe B's posts, but apparently only once? And looks slightly diff but same data claims. Me, goes off scratching what little hair is left.
There is a pinentry-tqt now officially in the pinentry source, but has still not found it's way in TDE. I hope it will be included in 14.1
I've been using it for the past 2 years - it is very simple and works just perfectly fine.
The problem IMO is that some packages depend on pinentry-qt that was working with kde4 and now kde5 and alternative is pinentry-gnome3. It could be that on ubuntu default is pinentry-gnome3. Not sure what Gene is using - is it debian or ubuntu.
But this whole thing seems to be off topic here.
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On Sunday 24 May 2020 16:55:03 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
That removed 4 packages, but I still get a popup from Uwe B's posts, but apparently only once? And looks slightly diff but same data claims. Me, goes off scratching what little hair is left.
There is a pinentry-tqt now officially in the pinentry source, but has still not found it's way in TDE. I hope it will be included in 14.1
I've been using it for the past 2 years - it is very simple and works just perfectly fine.
The problem IMO is that some packages depend on pinentry-qt that was working with kde4 and now kde5 and alternative is pinentry-gnome3. It could be that on ubuntu default is pinentry-gnome3. Not sure what Gene is using - is it debian or ubuntu.
debian stretch on this machine.
But this whole thing seems to be off topic here.
No argument there, I basically piped up because someone else did first.
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
please guys stop spamming this thread that is about a real trinity bug.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:30 PM Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
On Sunday 24 May 2020 16:55:03 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
That removed 4 packages, but I still get a popup from Uwe B's posts, but apparently only once? And looks slightly diff but same data claims. Me, goes off scratching what little hair is left.
There is a pinentry-tqt now officially in the pinentry source, but has still not found it's way in TDE. I hope it will be included in 14.1
I've been using it for the past 2 years - it is very simple and works just perfectly fine.
The problem IMO is that some packages depend on pinentry-qt that was working with kde4 and now kde5 and alternative is pinentry-gnome3. It could be that on ubuntu default is pinentry-gnome3. Not sure what Gene is using - is it debian or ubuntu.
debian stretch on this machine.
But this whole thing seems to be off topic here.
No argument there, I basically piped up because someone else did first.
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
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