( being on the two mailing lists I m cross posting on the TDE mailing list so they know devuan could be interested in supporting TDE . . . ) same here, TDE ( kde3 fork reacting to the unstable kde4 bloat ) : * have all the features I expect from a modern window manager * is very stable, even if you customize it changing many configuration options * have a very good and intuitive customization panel * is using much less resources than the more recent kde or gnome * have no plans on depending on systemd ever ( there are a few threads on the topic on the tde mailing list ) : http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::6629 "TDE will not intentionally introduce a hard dependency on systemd" I d also add that I often install linux to new users coming from the windows environment, the feedback from those users have always been very bad for kde4 and very good for kde3. On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp <dr.klepp(a)gmx.at> wrote: