I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to run as root the following: apt-get update aptitude install TDE-trinity I am confused by the fact that two different installation applications are used here, apt get and aptitude. It was always my understanding that those two apps should not be mixed because they are not compatible. I have always used apt for all the desktops I ever had including for installing TDE and never had any problem. Is aptitude better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because that is what I plan to use for installing Debian Buster on a couple of desktops in the near future. Ken Heard
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 15:12:13 +0700 Ken Heard scripsit:
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to run as root the following: apt-get update aptitude install TDE-trinity I am confused by the fact that two different installation applications are used here, apt get and aptitude. It was always my understanding that those two apps should not be mixed because they are not compatible. I have always used apt for all the desktops I ever had including for installing TDE and never had any problem. Is aptitude better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because that is what I plan to use for installing Debian Buster on a couple of desktops in the near future. Ken Heard
You can mix both. They basicly differ in the resloving algorithm which comes in when you do a dist upgrade: depending on the dependency tree either apt-get or aptitude will give you a more plesent solution. Just try both and pick the solution that best fits your needs.
Nik
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On 2020/08/02 05:37 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Is aptitude better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because that is what I plan to use for installing Debian Buster on a couple of desktops in the near future. Ken Heard
You can mix both. They basicly differ in the resloving algorithm which comes in when you do a dist upgrade: depending on the dependency tree either apt-get or aptitude will give you a more plesent solution. Just try both and pick the solution that best fits your needs.
Nik
FWIW I have always used aptitude for years and years, never had issues :-) Cheers Michele
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Ken Heard composed on 2020-08-02 15:12 (UTC+0700):
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to run as root the following: apt-get update aptitude install TDE-trinity I am confused by the fact that two different installation applications are used here, apt get and aptitude. It was always my understanding that those two apps should not be mixed because they are not compatible. I have always used apt for all the desktops I ever had including for installing TDE and never had any problem. Is aptitude better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because that is what I plan to use for installing Debian Buster on a couple of desktops in the near future.
I quit apt-get when I discovered apt quite some years ago. For installing, removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use only apt. Aptitude I use mostly for searching.
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
Ken Heard composed on 2020-08-02 15:12 (UTC+0700):
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to run as root the following: apt-get update aptitude install TDE-trinity I am confused by the fact that two different installation applications are used here, apt get and aptitude. It was always my understanding that those two apps should not be mixed because they are not compatible. I have always used apt for all the desktops I ever had including for installing TDE and never had any problem. Is aptitude better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because that is what I plan to use for installing Debian Buster on a couple of desktops in the near future.
I quit apt-get when I discovered apt quite some years ago. For installing, removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use only apt. Aptitude I use mostly for searching.
simply would like to know what the advantage is for you in apt?
I use apt-get from habit but out of ignorance more than anything else I don't know of a reason to change.
On Monday 03 August 2020 12:59:06 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
Ken Heard composed on 2020-08-02 15:12 (UTC+0700):
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to run as root the following: apt-get update aptitude install TDE-trinity I am confused by the fact that two different installation applications are used here, apt get and aptitude. It was always my understanding that those two apps should not be mixed because they are not compatible. I have always used apt for all the desktops I ever had including for installing TDE and never had any problem. Is aptitude better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because that is what I plan to use for installing Debian Buster on a couple of desktops in the near future.
I quit apt-get when I discovered apt quite some years ago. For installing, removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use only apt. Aptitude I use mostly for searching.
simply would like to know what the advantage is for you in apt?
I use apt-get from habit but out of ignorance more than anything else I don't know of a reason to change.
ditto - Please enlighten us.
Bill
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Felmon Davis composed on 2020-08-03 21:59 (UTC+0200):
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
I quit apt-get when I discovered apt quite some years ago. For installing, removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use only apt. Aptitude I use mostly for searching.
simply would like to know what the advantage is for you in apt?
I use apt-get from habit but out of ignorance more than anything else I don't know of a reason to change.
I didn't like the complicated apt* "system" of inexplicable contextual variations, so spent little time attempting to use any Debians until I discovered what seemed to be a more evolved replacement, apt, described thus in its man page:
"apt provides a high-level commandline interface for the package management system. It is intended as an end user interface and enables some options better suited for interactive usage by default compared to more specialized APT tools like apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8).
"Much like apt itself, its manpage is intended as an end user interface and as such only mentions the most used commands and options partly to not duplicate information in multiple places and partly to avoid overwhelming readers with a cornucopia of options and details."
In contrast to apt*, yum* and dnf*, openSUSE's zypper encompasses everything in package management, so there's only one man page to search when you don't know what you're looking for.
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
Felmon Davis composed on 2020-08-03 21:59 (UTC+0200):
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
I quit apt-get when I discovered apt quite some years ago. For installing, removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use only apt. Aptitude I use mostly for searching.
simply would like to know what the advantage is for you in apt?
I use apt-get from habit but out of ignorance more than anything else I don't know of a reason to change.
I didn't like the complicated apt* "system" of inexplicable contextual variations, so spent little time attempting to use any Debians until I discovered what seemed to be a more evolved replacement, apt, described thus in its man page:
"apt provides a high-level commandline interface for the package management system. It is intended as an end user interface and enables some options better suited for interactive usage by default compared to more specialized APT tools like apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8).
"Much like apt itself, its manpage is intended as an end user interface and as such only mentions the most used commands and options partly to not duplicate information in multiple places and partly to avoid overwhelming readers with a cornucopia of options and details."
I think I understand.
I think I'm a bit more in Deloptes's boat: there is a subset of commands I quite often use so the cornucopia of other options is something I don't notice.
I get the impression from a quick comparison of the respective man pages that 'apt' actually lacks options that 'apt-get' offers. maybe I'm misreading.
In contrast to apt*, yum* and dnf*, openSUSE's zypper encompasses everything in package management, so there's only one man page to search when you don't know what you're looking for.
"searching when I don't know what I'm looking for"; sounds like life. no man page for that, I guess.
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Felmon Davis composed on 2020-08-03 21:59 (UTC+0200):
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
I quit apt-get when I discovered apt quite some years ago. For installing, removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use only apt. Aptitude I use mostly for searching.
simply would like to know what the advantage is for you in apt?
I use apt-get from habit but out of ignorance more than anything else I don't know of a reason to change.
I didn't like the complicated apt* "system" of inexplicable contextual variations, so spent little time attempting to use any Debians until I discovered what seemed to be a more evolved replacement, apt, described thus in its man page:
"apt provides a high-level commandline interface for the package management system. It is intended as an end user interface and enables some options better suited for interactive usage by default compared to more specialized APT tools like apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8).
"Much like apt itself, its manpage is intended as an end user interface and as such only mentions the most used commands and options partly to not duplicate information in multiple places and partly to avoid overwhelming readers with a cornucopia of options and details."
In contrast to apt*, yum* and dnf*, openSUSE's zypper encompasses everything in package management, so there's only one man page to search when you don't know what you're looking for.
apt-* are more specialized tools, apt is the one to rule them all.
aptitude is deprecated, as is dselect, both require installation before use, Debian Buster.
I use dselect myself.
greg
Felmon Davis wrote:
simply would like to know what the advantage is for you in apt?
I use apt-get from habit but out of ignorance more than anything else I don't know of a reason to change.
I also use only apt-get. I don't have the impression I miss something.
apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade
Always worked
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On Sunday 02 August 2020 03:12:13 am Ken Heard wrote:
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to run as root the following: apt-get update aptitude install TDE-trinity
If you're installing to MX Linux 19, you can put the attached file in /usr/share/mx-packageinstaller-pkglist . Then from the Xfce Menu >> MX Tools >> MX Package Installer >> Popular Applications >> Desktop Environments, check TDE and click install. *
It’ll do everything for you.
I don’t know if there is any equivalent concept for plain Debian or other Debian derivatives.
Best, Michael
* Instructions to remove Xfce are on the MX Linux forums.
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Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 10:08:19 -0500 Michael scripsit:
On Sunday 02 August 2020 03:12:13 am Ken Heard wrote:
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to run as root the following: apt-get update aptitude install TDE-trinity
If you're installing to MX Linux 19, you can put the attached file in /usr/share/mx-packageinstaller-pkglist . Then from the Xfce Menu >> MX Tools >> MX Package Installer >> Popular Applications >> Desktop Environments, check TDE and click install. *
It’ll do everything for you.
This is a new version to test?
I don’t know if there is any equivalent concept for plain Debian or other Debian derivatives.
Best, Michael
- Instructions to remove Xfce are on the MX Linux forums.
On Sunday 02 August 2020 10:43:40 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 10:08:19 -0500 Michael scripsit:
On Sunday 02 August 2020 03:12:13 am Ken Heard wrote:
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to run as root the following: apt-get update aptitude install TDE-trinity
If you're installing to MX Linux 19, you can put the attached file in /usr/share/mx-packageinstaller-pkglist . Then from the Xfce Menu >> MX Tools >> MX Package Installer >> Popular Applications >> Desktop Environments, check TDE and click install. *
It’ll do everything for you.
This is a new version to test?
Yes please!
It has a tdesu workaround built in that the last version didn't. * It's also cleaned up from where some comments (in non-code type sections) were breaking the MX Package Installer GUI.
Best, Michael
* You should end up with this file /opt/trinity/bin/pkexec containing: #!/bin/sh [ "$1" = "--disable-internal-agent" ] && shift tdesu -- "$@"
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Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 12:00:00 -0500 Michael scripsit:
On Sunday 02 August 2020 10:43:40 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 10:08:19 -0500 Michael scripsit:
On Sunday 02 August 2020 03:12:13 am Ken Heard wrote:
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to run as root the following: apt-get update aptitude install TDE-trinity
If you're installing to MX Linux 19, you can put the attached file in /usr/share/mx-packageinstaller-pkglist . Then from the Xfce Menu >> MX Tools >> MX Package Installer >> Popular Applications >> Desktop Environments, check TDE and click install. *
It’ll do everything for you.
This is a new version to test?
Yes please!
It has a tdesu workaround built in that the last version didn't. * It's also cleaned up from where some comments (in non-code type sections) were breaking the MX Package Installer GUI.
Aehm, could you please resend the*.pm-file? I accidentally deleted the mail and the mailing list archive gives me an error :/
Nik
Best, Michael
- You should end up with this file /opt/trinity/bin/pkexec containing:
#!/bin/sh [ "$1" = "--disable-internal-agent" ] && shift tdesu -- "$@"
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On Sunday 02 August 2020 10:27:31 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 12:00:00 -0500
Michael scripsit:
On Sunday 02 August 2020 10:43:40 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 10:08:19 -0500
Michael scripsit:
On Sunday 02 August 2020 03:12:13 am Ken Heard wrote:
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to run as root the following: apt-get update aptitude install TDE-trinity
If you're installing to MX Linux 19, you can put the attached file in /usr/share/mx-packageinstaller-pkglist . Then from the Xfce Menu
MX Tools >> MX Package Installer >> Popular Applications >>
Desktop Environments, check TDE and click install. *
It’ll do everything for you.
This is a new version to test?
Yes please!
It has a tdesu workaround built in that the last version didn't. * It's also cleaned up from where some comments (in non-code type sections) were breaking the MX Package Installer GUI.
Aehm, could you please resend the*.pm-file? I accidentally deleted the mail and the mailing list archive gives me an error :/
Nik
Best, Michael
- You should end up with this file /opt/trinity/bin/pkexec containing:
#!/bin/sh [ "$1" = "--disable-internal-agent" ] && shift tdesu -- "$@"
I would love to get in on this, in my own small way. If I could figure out how to do something similar with a Devuan installation disc; that is, just for myself at first. (I've explored the internal structure of installation discs, and it doesn't seem too complicated, but I may be wrong.) Then after testing, add it to Debian and other discs. It would be unofficial, of course, but at least a start. I just want a "pure" GNU/Linux Debian-type system, with TDE as a default desktop choice.
First, though, I need to get a new laptop, which might take a couple months. And then maybe I can be running these experiments on the side, on a test machine. I am just putting this idea out there, if anybody else likes it.
You can call me completely bonkers, but we already knew that. I am not a coder or developer, much less a hacker. But I do like to tinker and make things.
Links or suggestions, or dire warnings -- all are welcome! Thanks for any help or direction.
Bill
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