2 Aug
2020
2 Aug
'20
8:12 a.m.
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to run as
root the following:
apt-get update
aptitude install TDE-trinity
I am confused by the fact that two different installation applications are
used here, apt get and aptitude. It was always my understanding that those
two apps should not be mixed because they are not compatible. I have
always used apt for all the desktops I ever had including for installing
TDE and never had any problem.
Is aptitude better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because that
is what I plan to use for installing Debian Buster on a couple of desktops
in the near future.
Ken Heard
2 Aug
2 Aug
8:37 a.m.
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 15:12:13 +0700
Ken Heard scripsit:
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE
R14.0.8 say to run as
root the following:
apt-get update
aptitude install TDE-trinity
I am confused by the fact that two different installation applications are
used here, apt get and aptitude. It was always my understanding that those
two apps should not be mixed because they are not compatible. I have
always used apt for all the desktops I ever had including for installing
TDE and never had any problem.
Is aptitude better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because that
is what I plan to use for installing Debian Buster on a couple of desktops
in the near future.
Ken Heard
You can mix both. They basicly differ in the resloving algorithm which comes in when you
do a dist upgrade: depending on the dependency tree either apt-get or aptitude will give
you a more plesent solution. Just try both and pick the solution that best fits your
needs.
Nik
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On 2020/08/02 05:37 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
FWIW I have always used aptitude for years and years, never had issues :-)
Cheers
Michele
Is aptitude
better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because that is what I plan to use for
installing
Debian Buster on a couple of desktops in the near future. Ken Heard
You can mix both. They basicly differ in the resloving algorithm which comes in
when you do a dist upgrade:
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Ken Heard composed on 2020-08-02 15:12 (UTC+0700):
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE
R14.0.8 say to run as
root the following:
apt-get update
aptitude install TDE-trinity
I am confused by the fact that two different installation applications are
used here, apt get and aptitude. It was always my understanding that those
two apps should not be mixed because they are not compatible. I have
always used apt for all the desktops I ever had including for installing
TDE and never had any problem.
Is aptitude better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because that
is what I plan to use for installing Debian Buster on a couple of desktops
in the near future.
I quit apt-get when I discovered apt quite some years ago. For installing,
removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use only apt. Aptitude I
use mostly for searching.
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
Ken Heard composed on 2020-08-02 15:12 (UTC+0700):
simply would like to know what the advantage is for you in apt?
I use apt-get from habit but out of ignorance more than anything else
I don't know of a reason to change.
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I note that in the instructions for installing
TDE R14.0.8 say to run as
root the following:
apt-get update
aptitude install TDE-trinity
I am confused by the fact that two different installation applications are
used here, apt get and aptitude. It was always my understanding that those
two apps should not be mixed because they are not compatible. I have
always used apt for all the desktops I ever had including for installing
TDE and never had any problem.
Is aptitude better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because that
is what I plan to use for installing Debian Buster on a couple of desktops
in the near future.
I quit apt-get when I discovered apt quite some years ago. For installing,
removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use only apt. Aptitude I
use mostly for searching.
10:15 p.m.
On Monday 03 August 2020 12:59:06 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
ditto - Please enlighten us.
Bill
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Ken Heard composed on 2020-08-02 15:12
(UTC+0700):
simply would like to know what the advantage is for you in apt?
I use apt-get from habit but out of ignorance more than anything else
I don't know of a reason to change. I note that in the instructions for installing
TDE R14.0.8 say to run as
root the following:
apt-get update
aptitude install TDE-trinity
I am confused by the fact that two different installation applications
are used here, apt get and aptitude. It was always my understanding that
those two apps should not be mixed because they are not compatible. I
have always used apt for all the desktops I ever had including for
installing TDE and never had any problem.
Is aptitude better for TDE than apt? I would prefer to use apt because
that is what I plan to use for installing Debian Buster on a couple of
desktops in the near future.
I quit apt-get when I discovered apt quite some years ago. For
installing, removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use
only apt. Aptitude I use mostly for searching.
10:42 p.m.
Felmon Davis composed on 2020-08-03 21:59 (UTC+0200):
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
> I quit apt-get when I discovered apt quite some
years ago. For installing,
> removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use only apt. Aptitude I
> use mostly for searching.
simply would like to know what the advantage is for
you in apt?
I use apt-get from habit but out of ignorance more
than anything else
I don't know of a reason to change.
I didn't like the complicated apt* "system" of inexplicable contextual
variations,
so spent little time attempting to use any Debians until I discovered what seemed
to be a more evolved replacement, apt, described thus in its man page:
"apt provides a high-level commandline interface for the package management
system. It is intended as an end user interface and enables some options better
suited for interactive usage by default compared to more specialized APT tools
like apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8).
"Much like apt itself, its manpage is intended as an end user interface and as
such only mentions the most used commands and options partly to not duplicate
information in multiple places and partly to avoid overwhelming readers with a
cornucopia of options and details."
In contrast to apt*, yum* and dnf*, openSUSE's zypper encompasses everything in
package management, so there's only one man page to search when you don't know
what you're looking for.
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On Mon, 3 Aug 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
Felmon Davis composed on 2020-08-03 21:59 (UTC+0200):
I think I understand.
I think I'm a bit more in Deloptes's boat: there is a subset of
commands I quite often use so the cornucopia of other options is
something I don't notice.
I get the impression from a quick comparison of the respective man
pages that 'apt' actually lacks options that 'apt-get' offers. maybe
I'm misreading.
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
> I quit apt-get when I discovered apt quite
some years ago. For installing,
> removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use only apt. Aptitude I
> use mostly for searching.
simply would like to know what the advantage is
for you in apt?
I use apt-get from habit but out of ignorance
more than anything else
I don't know of a reason to change.
I didn't like the complicated apt* "system" of inexplicable contextual
variations,
so spent little time attempting to use any Debians until I discovered what seemed
to be a more evolved replacement, apt, described thus in its man page:
"apt provides a high-level commandline interface for the package management
system. It is intended as an end user interface and enables some options better
suited for interactive usage by default compared to more specialized APT tools
like apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8).
"Much like apt itself, its manpage is intended as an end user interface and as
such only mentions the most used commands and options partly to not duplicate
information in multiple places and partly to avoid overwhelming readers with a
cornucopia of options and details." In contrast to apt*, yum* and dnf*, openSUSE's
zypper encompasses everything in
package management, so there's only one man page to search when you don't know
what you're looking for.
"searching when I don't know what I'm looking for"; sounds like life.
no man page for that, I guess.
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On Monday, August 3, 2020 3:42 PM, Felix Miata <mrmazda(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
apt-* are more specialized tools, apt is the one to rule them all.
aptitude is deprecated, as is dselect, both require installation before use, Debian
Buster.
I use dselect myself.
greg
Felmon Davis composed on 2020-08-03 21:59 (UTC+0200):
On Sun, 2 Aug
2020, Felix Miata wrote:
> I quit
apt-get when I discovered apt quite some years ago. For installing,
> removing and purging since that discovery, I routinely use only apt. Aptitude I
> use mostly for searching.
simply would
like to know what the advantage is for you in apt?
I use apt-get
from habit but out of ignorance more than anything else
I don't know of a reason to change.
I didn't like the complicated apt*
"system" of inexplicable contextual variations,
so spent little time attempting to use any Debians until I discovered what seemed
to be a more evolved replacement, apt, described thus in its man page:
"apt provides a high-level commandline interface
for the package management
system. It is intended as an end user interface and enables some options better
suited for interactive usage by default compared to more specialized APT tools
like apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8).
"Much like apt itself, its manpage is intended as
an end user interface and as
such only mentions the most used commands and options partly to not duplicate
information in multiple places and partly to avoid overwhelming readers with a
cornucopia of options and details."
In contrast to apt*, yum* and dnf*, openSUSE's
zypper encompasses everything in
package management, so there's only one man page to search when you don't know
what you're looking for.
3 Aug
3 Aug
11:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Apt-get or aptitude to install the TDE?
Felmon Davis wrote:
simply would like to know what the advantage is for
you in apt?
I use apt-get from habit but out of ignorance more than anything else
I don't know of a reason to change.
I also use only apt-get. I don't have the impression I miss something.
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
apt-get dist-upgrade
Always worked
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3:08 p.m.
On Sunday 02 August 2020 03:12:13 am Ken Heard wrote:
I note that in the instructions for installing TDE
R14.0.8 say to run as
root the following:
apt-get update
aptitude install TDE-trinity
If you're installing to MX Linux 19, you can put the attached file
in /usr/share/mx-packageinstaller-pkglist . Then from the Xfce Menu >> MX
Tools >> MX Package Installer >> Popular Applications >> Desktop
Environments, check TDE and click install. *
It’ll do everything for you.
I don’t know if there is any equivalent concept for plain Debian or other
Debian derivatives.
Best,
Michael
* Instructions to remove Xfce are on the MX Linux forums.
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Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 10:08:19 -0500
Michael scripsit:
On Sunday 02 August 2020 03:12:13 am Ken Heard wrote:
This is a new version to test?
I note that in the instructions for installing
TDE R14.0.8 say to run as
root the following:
apt-get update
aptitude install TDE-trinity
If you're installing to MX Linux 19, you can put the attached file
in /usr/share/mx-packageinstaller-pkglist . Then from the Xfce Menu >> MX
Tools >> MX Package Installer >> Popular Applications >> Desktop
Environments, check TDE and click install. *
It’ll do everything for you.
I don’t know if there is any equivalent concept for plain Debian or other
Debian derivatives.
Best,
Michael
* Instructions to remove Xfce are on the MX Linux forums.
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On Sunday 02 August 2020 10:43:40 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 10:08:19 -0500
Michael scripsit:
Yes please!
It has a tdesu workaround built in that the last version didn't. * It's also
cleaned up from where some comments (in non-code type sections) were breaking
the MX Package Installer GUI.
Best,
Michael
* You should end up with this file /opt/trinity/bin/pkexec containing:
#!/bin/sh
[ "$1" = "--disable-internal-agent" ] && shift
tdesu -- "$@"
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On Sunday 02 August 2020 03:12:13 am Ken Heard
wrote:
This is a new version to test? I note that in the instructions for installing
TDE R14.0.8 say to run
as root the following:
apt-get update
aptitude install TDE-trinity
If you're installing to MX Linux 19, you can put the attached file
in /usr/share/mx-packageinstaller-pkglist . Then from the Xfce Menu >>
MX Tools >> MX Package Installer >> Popular Applications >> Desktop
Environments, check TDE and click install. *
It’ll do everything for you.
5:27 p.m.
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 12:00:00 -0500
Michael scripsit:
On Sunday 02 August 2020 10:43:40 am Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
Aehm, could you please resend the*.pm-file? I accidentally deleted the mail and the
mailing list archive gives me an error :/
Nik
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 10:08:19 -0500
Michael scripsit:
Yes please!
It has a tdesu workaround built in that the last version didn't. * It's also
cleaned up from where some comments (in non-code type sections) were breaking
the MX Package Installer GUI. On Sunday 02 August 2020 03:12:13 am Ken Heard
wrote:
This is a new version to test? I note that in the instructions for installing
TDE R14.0.8 say to run
as root the following:
apt-get update
aptitude install TDE-trinity
If you're installing to MX Linux 19, you can put the attached file
in /usr/share/mx-packageinstaller-pkglist . Then from the Xfce Menu >>
MX Tools >> MX Package Installer >> Popular Applications >> Desktop
Environments, check TDE and click install. *
It’ll do everything for you.
Best,
Michael
* You should end up with this file /opt/trinity/bin/pkexec containing:
#!/bin/sh
[ "$1" = "--disable-internal-agent" ] && shift
tdesu -- "$@"
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On Sunday 02 August 2020 10:27:31 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 12:00:00 -0500
Michael scripsit:
I would love to get in on this, in my own small way. If I could figure out how
to do something similar with a Devuan installation disc; that is, just for
myself at first. (I've explored the internal structure of installation discs,
and it doesn't seem too complicated, but I may be wrong.) Then after testing,
add it to Debian and other discs. It would be unofficial, of course, but at
least a start. I just want a "pure" GNU/Linux Debian-type system, with TDE as
a default desktop choice.
First, though, I need to get a new laptop, which might take a couple months.
And then maybe I can be running these experiments on the side, on a test
machine. I am just putting this idea out there, if anybody else likes it.
You can call me completely bonkers, but we already knew that. I am not a coder
or developer, much less a hacker. But I do like to tinker and make things.
Links or suggestions, or dire warnings -- all are welcome! Thanks for any help
or direction.
Bill
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On Sunday 02 August 2020 10:43:40 am Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
Aehm, could you please resend the*.pm-file? I accidentally deleted the mail
and the mailing list archive gives me an error :/
Nik
> Best,
> Michael
>
> * You should end up with this file /opt/trinity/bin/pkexec containing:
> #!/bin/sh
> [ "$1" = "--disable-internal-agent" ] && shift
> tdesu -- "$@"
>
> Anno domini 2020 Sun, 2 Aug 10:08:19 -0500
Michael scripsit:
Yes please!
It has a tdesu workaround built in that the last version didn't. * It's
also cleaned up from where some comments (in non-code type sections) were
breaking the MX Package Installer GUI. On Sunday 02 August 2020 03:12:13 am Ken Heard
wrote:
> I note that in the instructions for installing TDE R14.0.8 say to
> run as root the following:
> apt-get update
> aptitude install TDE-trinity
If you're installing to MX Linux 19, you can put the attached file
in /usr/share/mx-packageinstaller-pkglist . Then from the Xfce Menu
>> MX Tools >> MX Package Installer >> Popular Applications >>
Desktop Environments, check TDE and click install. *
It’ll do everything for you.
This is a new version to test?
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