On Monday 02 July 2018 18:30:34 Mike Bird wrote:
On Mon July 2 2018 07:36:36 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 02 July 2018 09:01:14 Mike Bird wrote:
On Mon July 2 2018 05:34:50 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 02 July 2018 07:48:29 Mike Bird wrote:
ls -l /etc/*.d/S*alsa*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Oct 5 2015 /etc/rcS.d/S21alsa-utils -> ../init.d/alsa-utils
Hi Gene,
That's good. There's a good chance Kate's suggestion of checking the controls in kmix will solve your problem.
--Mike
BTDT enough times to pay for the t-shirt. Tain't there.
OK, so we know ALSA is set to start automatically. I don't think we know yet that it is working as system sounds can happen without ALSA.
(1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you get bored.
(2) What precisely tain't there? Kmix? Some slider you were expecting?
(3) In Control Center / Sound & Multimedia / Sound System is it enabled on the General tab?
(4) ... and is networked sound enable? (Easier if it is not.)
Not now, was though.
(5) ... and which Audio Device is selected on the Hardware tab?
BTW, a possible kludge for your situation might be to disable "restore volumes on login" in kmix / settings / configure kmix.
--Mike
I won't slap down on a bible, but I faintly recall setting that option way back when. And it had no effect, but I think its still on. Due to poor gain in my speakers, most of kmix has been wide open for years.
-- Cheers, Gene Heskett
Ok there's a clue. Grab some headphones and see it there's any sound. Running speakers at max can blow their voice coils.
Kate
PS we should change the title of this thread to "The Sound of Silence"
Am Dienstag, 3. Juli 2018 schrieb Kate Draven:
On Monday 02 July 2018 18:30:34 Mike Bird wrote:
On Mon July 2 2018 07:36:36 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 02 July 2018 09:01:14 Mike Bird wrote:
On Mon July 2 2018 05:34:50 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 02 July 2018 07:48:29 Mike Bird wrote: > ls -l /etc/*.d/S*alsa*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Oct 5 2015 /etc/rcS.d/S21alsa-utils -> ../init.d/alsa-utils
Hi Gene,
That's good. There's a good chance Kate's suggestion of checking the controls in kmix will solve your problem.
--Mike
BTDT enough times to pay for the t-shirt. Tain't there.
OK, so we know ALSA is set to start automatically. I don't think we know yet that it is working as system sounds can happen without ALSA.
(1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you get bored.
(2) What precisely tain't there? Kmix? Some slider you were expecting?
(3) In Control Center / Sound & Multimedia / Sound System is it enabled on the General tab?
(4) ... and is networked sound enable? (Easier if it is not.)
Not now, was though.
(5) ... and which Audio Device is selected on the Hardware tab?
BTW, a possible kludge for your situation might be to disable "restore volumes on login" in kmix / settings / configure kmix.
--Mike
I won't slap down on a bible, but I faintly recall setting that option way back when. And it had no effect, but I think its still on. Due to poor gain in my speakers, most of kmix has been wide open for years.
-- Cheers, Gene Heskett
Ok there's a clue. Grab some headphones and see it there's any sound. Running speakers at max can blow their voice coils.
There is not enough power to blow the coils of the internal speekers :-)
But you might want to check the settings with "alsamixer" or "amixer", maybe the speekers are set to "mute" (and kmixer cnnot unmute them).
Nik
Kate
PS we should change the title of this thread to "The Sound of Silence"
On Tuesday 03 July 2018 05:24:18 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Dienstag, 3. Juli 2018 schrieb Kate Draven:
On Monday 02 July 2018 18:30:34 Mike Bird wrote:
On Mon July 2 2018 07:36:36 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 02 July 2018 09:01:14 Mike Bird wrote:
On Mon July 2 2018 05:34:50 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 02 July 2018 07:48:29 Mike Bird wrote: > > ls -l /etc/*.d/S*alsa* > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Oct 5 > 2015 /etc/rcS.d/S21alsa-utils -> ../init.d/alsa-utils
Hi Gene,
That's good. There's a good chance Kate's suggestion of checking the controls in kmix will solve your problem.
--Mike
BTDT enough times to pay for the t-shirt. Tain't there.
OK, so we know ALSA is set to start automatically. I don't think we know yet that it is working as system sounds can happen without ALSA.
(1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you get bored.
And just how do I accomplish that when no one is logged in? I've tried /path/to/aplay /path/to/file in /etc/rc.local and its as if its ignored. There are other things in rc.local that do get done. Not there now as I took it out when it didn't work.
(2) What precisely tain't there? Kmix? Some slider you were expecting?
kmix is fine, lives on the dock area.
(3) In Control Center / Sound & Multimedia / Sound System is it enabled on the General tab?
(4) ... and is networked sound enable? (Easier if it is not.)
Not now, was though.
(5) ... and which Audio Device is selected on the Hardware tab?
The mobo audio, I took a pretty good SBLive out to make pci slot room for something else years ago. A firewire card IIRC.
BTW, a possible kludge for your situation might be to disable "restore volumes on login" in kmix / settings / configure kmix.
--Mike
I won't slap down on a bible, but I faintly recall setting that option way back when. And it had no effect, but I think its still on. Due to poor gain in my speakers, most of kmix has been wide open for years.
-- Cheers, Gene Heskett
Ok there's a clue. Grab some headphones and see it there's any sound. Running speakers at max can blow their voice coils.
There is not enough power to blow the coils of the internal speekers :-)
But you might want to check the settings with "alsamixer" or "amixer", maybe the speekers are set to "mute" (and kmixer cnnot unmute them).
BTDT, everythings fine.
Nik
Kate
PS we should change the title of this thread to "The Sound of Silence"
:)
On Tue July 3 2018 03:13:12 Gene Heskett wrote:
(1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you get bored.
And just how do I accomplish that when no one is logged in? I've tried /path/to/aplay /path/to/file in /etc/rc.local and its as if its ignored. There are other things in rc.local that do get done. Not there now as I took it out when it didn't work.
You can ctrl-alt-F1 and login to a terminal. alt-F7 (or something close to that depending on your configuration) to return to TDM login screen.
If aplay doesn't work in rc.local and other things do work in rc.local, what makes you think that ALSA works before logging in to TDE?
The speaker-test will tell us whether ALSA is working before TDM login.
(2) What precisely tain't there? Kmix? Some slider you were expecting?
kmix is fine, lives on the dock area.
Does your "tain't there" mean that you believe the problem tain't in kmix?
What happens if you (warning: kludge) uncheck "Restore volumes on login" and reboot?
(3) In Control Center / Sound & Multimedia / Sound System is it enabled on the General tab?
(4) ... and is networked sound enable? (Easier if it is not.)
Not now, was though.
(5) ... and which Audio Device is selected on the Hardware tab?
The mobo audio, I took a pretty good SBLive out to make pci slot room for something else years ago. A firewire card IIRC.
What please is the exact text of your audio device chosen in the sound system hardware tab?
Have you tried "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" (ALSA) instead?
--Mike
On Tuesday 03 July 2018 07:42:28 Mike Bird wrote:
On Tue July 3 2018 03:13:12 Gene Heskett wrote:
(1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you get bored.
And just how do I accomplish that when no one is logged in? I've tried /path/to/aplay /path/to/file in /etc/rc.local and its as if its ignored. There are other things in rc.local that do get done. Not there now as I took it out when it didn't work.
You can ctrl-alt-F1 and login to a terminal. alt-F7 (or something close to that depending on your configuration) to return to TDM login screen.
I do that so seldom, I had forgotten I could. Its been years, literally.
If aplay doesn't work in rc.local and other things do work in rc.local, what makes you think that ALSA works before logging in to TDE?
I can hear the background noise of the sound system when it has no input. That comes on when the boot log is only about half done with a pretty obvious thump in the speakers. So I have to assume the sound is usable at that point, but goes away as x starts.
Don't forget that I have 50 some years in as a broadcast engineer, and I notice such things and connect the dots a lot easier than most. My ears at my age aren't great, carhart notches at 4 khz are 140 db deep, but voice frequencies are good yet. As are crickets amazingly. I wore out a couple 30-06 barrels before they started selling decent earmuffs in the 1960's. That will give anybody carhart notches.
The speaker-test will tell us whether ALSA is working before TDM login.
I'll do that next time I reboot. My system is simple stereo, left and right only, but I expect the man page will tell me how to test both sides. Thanks for the reminder.
(2) What precisely tain't there?
Sound of any kind. Even the beep of incoming email is silent until I do the alsactl restore thing.
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On Tuesday 03 July 2018 05:12:20 Kate Draven wrote:
On Monday 02 July 2018 18:30:34 Mike Bird wrote:
On Mon July 2 2018 07:36:36 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 02 July 2018 09:01:14 Mike Bird wrote:
On Mon July 2 2018 05:34:50 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 02 July 2018 07:48:29 Mike Bird wrote: > ls -l /etc/*.d/S*alsa*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Oct 5 2015 /etc/rcS.d/S21alsa-utils -> ../init.d/alsa-utils
Hi Gene,
That's good. There's a good chance Kate's suggestion of checking the controls in kmix will solve your problem.
--Mike
BTDT enough times to pay for the t-shirt. Tain't there.
OK, so we know ALSA is set to start automatically. I don't think we know yet that it is working as system sounds can happen without ALSA.
(1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you get bored.
(2) What precisely tain't there? Kmix? Some slider you were expecting?
(3) In Control Center / Sound & Multimedia / Sound System is it enabled on the General tab?
(4) ... and is networked sound enable? (Easier if it is not.)
Not now, was though.
(5) ... and which Audio Device is selected on the Hardware tab?
BTW, a possible kludge for your situation might be to disable "restore volumes on login" in kmix / settings / configure kmix.
--Mike
I won't slap down on a bible, but I faintly recall setting that option way back when. And it had no effect, but I think its still on. Due to poor gain in my speakers, most of kmix has been wide open for years.
-- Cheers, Gene Heskett
Ok there's a clue. Grab some headphones and see it there's any sound. Running speakers at max can blow their voice coils.
Kate
PS we should change the title of this thread to "The Sound of Silence"
Not enough power to blow a voice coil, plus there is no way that an 'alsactl restore' could fix blown voice coils. No amount of chocolate could do that sort of magic. :)
Kate Draven composed on 2018-07-03 05:12 (UTC-0400):
PS we should change the title of this thread to "The Sound of Silence"
Archive pollution would be far more apt than silence. Arguably, "immature" & certainly "bothersome" should remain in it.
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