3 Jul
2018
3 Jul
'18
9:12 a.m.
On Monday 02 July 2018 18:30:34 Mike Bird wrote:
Ok there's a clue.
Grab some headphones and see it there's any sound. Running speakers at max can
blow their voice coils.
Kate
PS we should change the title of this thread to "The Sound of Silence"
On Mon July 2 2018 07:36:36 Gene Heskett wrote:
Not now, was though.
On Monday 02 July 2018 09:01:14 Mike Bird wrote:
OK, so we know ALSA is set to start automatically. I don't think
we know yet that it is working as system sounds can happen without
ALSA.
(1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether
ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it
finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you
get bored.
(2) What precisely tain't there? Kmix? Some slider you were
expecting?
(3) In Control Center / Sound & Multimedia / Sound System is it
enabled on the General tab?
(4) ... and is networked sound enable? (Easier if it is not.) On Mon July 2 2018 05:34:50 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 02 July 2018 07:48:29 Mike Bird wrote:
> > ls -l /etc/*.d/S*alsa*
>
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Oct 5
> 2015 /etc/rcS.d/S21alsa-utils -> ../init.d/alsa-utils
Hi Gene,
That's good. There's a good chance Kate's suggestion of checking
the controls in kmix will solve your problem.
--Mike
BTDT enough times to pay for the t-shirt. Tain't there. (5) ... and which Audio Device is selected on the
Hardware tab?
BTW, a possible kludge for your situation might be to disable
"restore volumes on login" in kmix / settings / configure kmix.
--Mike
I won't slap down on a bible, but I faintly recall setting that option
way back when. And it had no effect, but I think its still on. Due to
poor gain in my speakers, most of kmix has been wide open for years.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett 
3 Jul
3 Jul
9:24 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] today's immature bothersome question
Am Dienstag, 3. Juli 2018 schrieb Kate Draven:
There is not enough power to blow the coils of the internal speekers :-)
But you might want to check the settings with "alsamixer" or "amixer",
maybe the speekers are set to "mute" (and kmixer cnnot unmute them).
Nik
On Monday 02
July 2018 18:30:34 Mike Bird wrote:
Ok there's a clue.
Grab some headphones and see it there's any sound. Running speakers at max can
blow their voice coils. On Mon July 2 2018 07:36:36 Gene Heskett wrote:
Not now, was though.
On Monday 02 July 2018 09:01:14 Mike Bird wrote:
> On Mon July 2 2018 05:34:50 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 02 July 2018 07:48:29 Mike Bird wrote:
> > > ls -l /etc/*.d/S*alsa*
> >
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Oct 5
> > 2015 /etc/rcS.d/S21alsa-utils -> ../init.d/alsa-utils
>
> Hi Gene,
>
> That's good. There's a good chance Kate's suggestion of checking
> the controls in kmix will solve your problem.
>
> --Mike
BTDT enough times to pay for the t-shirt. Tain't there.
OK, so we know ALSA is set to start automatically. I don't think
we know yet that it is working as system sounds can happen without
ALSA.
(1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether
ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it
finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you
get bored.
(2) What precisely tain't there? Kmix? Some slider you were
expecting?
(3) In Control Center / Sound & Multimedia / Sound System is it
enabled on the General tab?
(4) ... and is networked sound enable? (Easier if it is not.) (5) ... and which Audio Device is selected on the
Hardware tab?
BTW, a possible kludge for your situation might be to disable
"restore volumes on login" in kmix / settings / configure kmix.
--Mike
I won't slap down on a bible, but I faintly recall setting that option
way back when. And it had no effect, but I think its still on. Due to
poor gain in my speakers, most of kmix has been wide open for years.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Kate
PS we should change the title of this thread to "The Sound of Silence"
--
Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA,
CIA ...
10:13 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] today's immature bothersome question
On Tuesday 03 July 2018 05:24:18 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Ok there's a clue.
Grab some headphones and see it there's any sound. Running speakers
at max can blow their voice coils.
There is not enough power to blow the coils of the internal speekers
:-)
But you might want to check the settings with "alsamixer" or
"amixer",
maybe the speekers are set to "mute" (and kmixer cnnot unmute them).
BTDT, everythings fine.
Am Dienstag, 3. Juli 2018 schrieb Kate Draven:
> > On Monday 02 July 2018 18:30:34 Mike Bird wrote:
> > > On Mon July 2 2018 07:36:36 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Monday 02 July 2018 09:01:14 Mike Bird wrote:
> > > > > On Mon July 2 2018 05:34:50 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday 02 July 2018 07:48:29 Mike Bird wrote:
> > > > > > > ls -l /etc/*.d/S*alsa*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Oct 5
> > > > > > 2015 /etc/rcS.d/S21alsa-utils -> ../init.d/alsa-utils
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Gene,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's good. There's a good chance Kate's
suggestion of
> > > > > checking the controls in kmix will solve your problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Mike
> > > >
> > > > BTDT enough times to pay for the t-shirt. Tain't there.
> > >
> > > OK, so we know ALSA is set to start automatically. I don't
> > > think we know yet that it is working as system sounds can happen
> > > without ALSA.
> > >
> > > (1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether
> > > ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it
> > > finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you
> > > get bored.
> > >
And just how do I accomplish that when no one is logged in? I've
tried /path/to/aplay /path/to/file in /etc/rc.local and its as if its
ignored. There are other things in rc.local that do get done. Not there
now as I took it out when it didn't work.
> > > (2) What precisely tain't there?
Kmix? Some slider you were
> > > expecting?
> > >
kmix is fine, lives on the dock area.
> > > (3) In Control Center / Sound &
Multimedia / Sound System is it
> > > enabled on the General tab?
> > >
> > > (4) ... and is networked sound enable? (Easier if it is not.)
> >
> > Not now, was though.
> >
> > > (5) ... and which Audio Device is selected on the Hardware tab?
The mobo audio, I took a pretty good SBLive out to make pci slot room for
something else years ago. A firewire card IIRC.
BTW, a possible kludge for your situation might be to disable
"restore volumes on login" in kmix / settings / configure kmix.
--Mike
I won't slap down on a bible, but I faintly recall setting that
option way back when. And it had no effect, but I think its still
on. Due to poor gain in my speakers, most of kmix has been wide
open for years.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Nik
> Kate
>
> PS we should change the title of this thread to "The Sound of
> Silence"
:)
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
11:42 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] today's immature bothersome question
On Tue July 3 2018 03:13:12 Gene Heskett wrote:
You can ctrl-alt-F1 and login to a terminal. alt-F7 (or something close
to that depending on your configuration) to return to TDM login screen.
If aplay doesn't work in rc.local and other things do work in rc.local,
what makes you think that ALSA works before logging in to TDE?
The speaker-test will tell us whether ALSA is working before TDM login.
Does your "tain't there" mean that you believe the problem tain't in
kmix?
What happens if you (warning: kludge) uncheck "Restore volumes on login"
and reboot?
What please is the exact text of your audio device chosen in the sound
system hardware tab?
Have you tried "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" (ALSA) instead?
--Mike
> > >
(1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether
> > > ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it
> > > finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you
> > > get bored.
And just how do I accomplish that when no one is logged in? I've
tried /path/to/aplay /path/to/file in /etc/rc.local and its as if its
ignored. There are other things in rc.local that do get done. Not there
now as I took it out when it didn't work. > > >
(2) What precisely tain't there? Kmix? Some slider you were
> > > expecting?
kmix is fine, lives on the dock area. > > >
(3) In Control Center / Sound & Multimedia / Sound System is it
> > > enabled on the General tab?
> > >
> > > (4) ... and is networked sound enable? (Easier if it is not.)
> >
> > Not now, was though.
> >
> > > (5) ... and which Audio Device is selected on the Hardware tab?
The mobo audio, I took a pretty good SBLive out to make pci slot room for
something else years ago. A firewire card IIRC.
12:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] today's immature bothersome question
On Tuesday 03 July 2018 07:42:28 Mike Bird wrote:
On Tue July 3 2018 03:13:12 Gene Heskett wrote:
You can ctrl-alt-F1 and login to a terminal. alt-F7 (or something
close to that depending on your configuration) to return to TDM login
screen.
I do that so seldom, I had forgotten I could. Its been years, literally.
> >
> (1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine
> > > whether ALSA works before login. Make a note of which
> > > speakers it finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop
> > > it when you get bored.
And just how do I accomplish that when no one is logged in? I've
tried /path/to/aplay /path/to/file in /etc/rc.local and its as if
its ignored. There are other things in rc.local that do get done.
Not there now as I took it out when it didn't work. If aplay doesn't work in rc.local and other things
do work in
rc.local, what makes you think that ALSA works before logging in to
TDE?
I can hear the background noise of the sound system when it has no input.
That comes on when the boot log is only about half done with a pretty
obvious thump in the speakers. So I have to assume the sound is usable
at that point, but goes away as x starts.
Don't forget that I have 50 some years in as a broadcast engineer, and I
notice such things and connect the dots a lot easier than most. My ears
at my age aren't great, carhart notches at 4 khz are 140 db deep, but
voice frequencies are good yet. As are crickets amazingly. I wore out a
couple 30-06 barrels before they started selling decent earmuffs in the
1960's. That will give anybody carhart notches.
The speaker-test will tell us whether ALSA is working
before TDM
login.
I'll do that next time I reboot. My system is simple stereo, left and
right only, but I expect the man page will tell me how to test both
sides. Thanks for the reminder.
> > > > > (2) What precisely tain't
there?
Sound of any kind. Even the beep of incoming email is silent until I do
the alsactl restore thing.
[...]
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
9:57 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] today's immature bothersome question
On Tuesday 03 July 2018 05:12:20 Kate Draven wrote:
Not enough power to blow a voice coil, plus there is no way that
an 'alsactl restore' could fix blown voice coils.
No amount of chocolate could do that sort of magic. :)
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On Monday 02
July 2018 18:30:34 Mike Bird wrote:
Ok there's a clue.
Grab some headphones and see it there's any sound. Running speakers at
max can blow their voice coils.
Kate
PS we should change the title of this thread to "The Sound of
Silence"
On Mon July 2 2018 07:36:36 Gene Heskett wrote:
Not now, was though.
On Monday 02 July 2018 09:01:14 Mike Bird wrote:
> On Mon July 2 2018 05:34:50 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 02 July 2018 07:48:29 Mike Bird wrote:
> > > ls -l /etc/*.d/S*alsa*
> >
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Oct 5
> > 2015 /etc/rcS.d/S21alsa-utils -> ../init.d/alsa-utils
>
> Hi Gene,
>
> That's good. There's a good chance Kate's suggestion of
> checking the controls in kmix will solve your problem.
>
> --Mike
BTDT enough times to pay for the t-shirt. Tain't there.
OK, so we know ALSA is set to start automatically. I don't think
we know yet that it is working as system sounds can happen without
ALSA.
(1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether
ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it
finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you
get bored.
(2) What precisely tain't there? Kmix? Some slider you were
expecting?
(3) In Control Center / Sound & Multimedia / Sound System is it
enabled on the General tab?
(4) ... and is networked sound enable? (Easier if it is not.) (5) ... and which Audio Device is selected on the
Hardware tab?
BTW, a possible kludge for your situation might be to disable
"restore volumes on login" in kmix / settings / configure kmix.
--Mike
I won't slap down on a bible, but I faintly recall setting that
option way back when. And it had no effect, but I think its still
on. Due to poor gain in my speakers, most of kmix has been wide open
for years.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett 
10:27 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] today's immature bothersome question
Kate Draven composed on 2018-07-03 05:12 (UTC-0400):
PS we should change the title of this thread to
"The Sound of Silence"
Archive pollution would be far more apt than silence. Arguably, "immature"
&
certainly "bothersome" should remain in it.
--
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get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)
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