Thierry de Coulon composed on 2024-11-17 16:01 (UTC+0100): I doubt materially different from at least one of them, if not all. Oldest Core2duo is a 4400. Newest are 3 8400s, each running a different GPU. A few still have Buster or Buster and Stretch or even Wheezy. The one I have currently booted I am upgrading from 128 byte inodes to 256 bytes on every EXTx filesystem, so that if I live until 2038 I won't have the date/clock problem then arising. I have 8.5 left to do at about 25 minutes per on 500G rotating rust: # inxi -C CPU: Info: dual core model: Intel Core2 Duo E7600 bits: 64 type: MCP cache: L2: 3 MiB Speed (MHz): avg: 1603 min/max: 1603/3066 cores: 1: 1603 2: 1603 # ls -Ggh /disks | egrep 'deb|ub|mint|mx|anti' drwxr-xr-x 28 1.0K Sep 2 22:44 deb11 drwxr-xr-x 23 1.0K Nov 11 21:59 deb12 drwxr-xr-x 23 1.0K Nov 15 01:23 deb13 drwxr-xr-x 27 1.0K Jun 5 23:54 ub20 drwxr-xr-x 27 1.0K Nov 11 23:46 ub22 drwxr-xr-x 26 1.0K Sep 21 23:32 ub24 # It has 3 Debians, 3 Ubuntus, and no MX. All 6 have only TDE and IceWM installed for running Xorg. All are upgrades, were originally older versions going back as far as Debian 6 or Ubuntu 10.04. So, the only significant likely difference between at least one of mine and yours is none of mine are fresh installations. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata

On Sun November 17 2024 08:10:36 Felix Miata via tde-users wrote: Thanks Felix. I didn't know we still had those old debs. --Mike

Hello, Sorry if I missed mails with this subject. Why do you want to install TDE on an old Debian ? (computer too old ?). Because with a SSD hard disk, Linux can work fine, even if the computer is old, not so slow, and Debian-Bookworm will accept the last TDE version. Old cars are better than new ones, including mine, and also my old Dell computer too. Why to change them ! :-)

17.11.24 21:46, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users: RW access to floppy is broken in TDE and which I have some fixed in Debian 7 and TDE 14.0.10 here, so you can get that on my Debian7 LiveDisks, which are allowed to install from CD at least on Pentium 1 (K6-2 in my case) — http://oscada.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Sub-projects/Automation_Linux_dis… Regards, Roman

On 2024/11/18 05:07 PM, deloptes via tde-users wrote: Hi Thierry, I don't have your hw details, but I have debian trixie + TDE testing installed on an old 2011 laptop and it works without any issue. Maybe you should give a recent debian another try before aiming for older versions? I understand your computer won't be connected to the internet, but Debian is a rock solid distro and I am surprise you would not be able to install it on an old computer, as long as the architecture of your computer is still supported (I assume it is 386?) Access to devices is controlled by the linux kernel, it has nothing to do with TDE or any DE for that matters. User programs simply don't have direct access to any physical device in linux, it all happens through kernel system calls and the kernel is the solely responsible piece of code for reading/writing to any device. Cheers Michele

Roman Savochenko via tde-users wrote: According documentation https://wiki.debian.org/Floppy you should create /mnt/floppy, give user the permissions and add user to floppy group, then adjust fstab /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto rw,user,noauto,exec,gid=floppy,umask=007 0 0 I don't have floppy anymore, but last time I checked it was working just fine (also in TDE) BR

On 2024/11/19 12:49 AM, Roman Savochenko via tde-users wrote: Hi Roman, I suggest you take an Operating System class before you write some comments, it may save you some embarrassment :-) Cheers Michele

Absolutely correct! We could have a system without any DE at all, just command line, and still be able to access (or not) a floppy disk. It is the whole system setup that needs to be correct, not an issue with the DE installed in the system. That was my whole point. So blaming a DE (TDE or any other DE) for not being able to access a device is wrong information. It's like those comments on the internet saying that Qt3 and TDE have an unsafe network stack. That is also wrong information because the network stack does not come from the DE itself. At most, we can say that Qt3 network *API* are limited and that is indeed a true fact when compared with Qt4 or more recent versions. If I have misinterpreted the original post, I have no problems to put my hands up and apologize if someone feels offended. Cheers Michele

Anno domini 2024 Tue, 19 Nov 11:13:36 +0300 Andrew Randrianasulu via tde-users scripsit: No theory survives reality :) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

Please end the name-calling here and now. There is negative value in discussing elementary mount mechanics in a thread on a problem Thierry encountered while trying to install TDE on an old version of Debian. As a professional systems programmer since 1977, and as a user of TDE since it forked from KDE, I am very grateful to Michele and the other TDE devs for the desktop environment I value above all others. --Mike

Roman Savochenko via tde-users wrote: Hi Roman, I respect your work, but this is definitely not a TDE bug and to comment out part of the code is not a solution. May be there is indeed a bug somewhere, but not exactly where you point to. IMO you should remove the entry in /etc/fstab and use udisks2 configuration, so that TDE can take advantage of udisks2. It all boils down to what has precedence - /etc/fstab or udsisk2. May be this should be discussed here (in separate thread) or in an issue on TGW. We are asking politely to not do a bad publicity and finger pointing. I allow myself to write this as I had same experience 20+y ago with same results, before I studied game theory. May be you read about cooperative games too. It does not guarantee 100% success, but in most cases > 0%. BR

said Michele Calgaro via tde-users: | I don't have your hw details, but I have debian trixie + TDE testing | installed on an old 2011 laptop and it works without any issue. Maybe | you should give a recent debian another try before aiming for older | versions? I understand your computer won't be connected to the internet, | but Debian is a rock solid distro and I am surprise you would not be | able to install it on an old computer, as long as the architecture of | your computer is still supported (I assume it is 386?) I have Trixie and TDE testing running just fine as well on a 2008 ThinkPad X200. And it isn't even slow. I do wish that the Express Card were good for something -- apparently there is a USB 3.0 adapter that will work with external devices, but I've never seen one. (Alas, I have a world of PCMCIA stuff that work with some older portable machines I have, but backward compatability is now more a joke than a desired attribute. Would be great to be able to use a PCMCIA floppy drive, for instance.) -- dep Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://ofb.biz/author/dep/