13 Apr
2014
13 Apr
'14
9:33 p.m.
Hello,
My Thinkpad laptop has a Lubuntu partition that has wired and wireless
access: the modules are iwlwifi and e1000e.
Another partition runs exeGnu Trinity 14 but no internet connection.
I used modprobe to install the above modules and put their names in
/etc/modules, but wlan0 and eth0 are still not seen.
What to do?
Robert
13 Apr
13 Apr
9:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
The OS may want to call them another name like wlan1 and eth1.
On 4/13/14, Robert Peters <robertpeters9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
My Thinkpad laptop has a Lubuntu partition that has wired and wireless
access: the modules are iwlwifi and e1000e.
Another partition runs exeGnu Trinity 14 but no internet connection.
I used modprobe to install the above modules and put their names in
/etc/modules, but wlan0 and eth0 are still not seen.
What to do?
Robert
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9:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On 13 April 2014 23:36, Chris Graham <chrisdgraham22(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The OS may want to call them another name like wlan1
and eth1.
On 4/13/14, Robert Peters <robertpeters9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> My Thinkpad laptop has a Lubuntu partition that has wired and wireless
> access: the modules are iwlwifi and e1000e.
> Another partition runs exeGnu Trinity 14 but no internet connection.
> I used modprobe to install the above modules and put their names in
> /etc/modules, but wlan0 and eth0 are still not seen.
> What to do?
> Robert
Thanks; I tried using those names and got this:
# ifconfig wlan1 up
# wlan1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
# ifconfig eth1 up
# eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
lspci -k shows the modules e1000e and iwlwifi in its list.
lsmod | sort shows an associated module name for each devices, except these two:
Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 08b2 (rev 83)
Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device c270
Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Device 155a (rev 04)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 2214
Maybe I haven't resewarched far enough...
Robert
9:55 p.m.
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Hi, Robert!
On Sunday 13 April 2014 22:33:16 Robert Peters wrote:
My Thinkpad laptop has a Lubuntu partition that has
wired and
wireless access: the modules are iwlwifi and e1000e.
Another partition runs exeGnu Trinity 14 but no internet
connection. I used modprobe to install the above modules and put
their names in /etc/modules, but wlan0 and eth0 are still not seen.
What to do?
Find out whether they are there and what Trinity is calling them if
they are by running:
# ifconfig -a
which will list all the cards it can see.
(That is out of date. The current preference is for
# ip
but it is difficult for me to read, so I don't use it. ifconfig still
works!)
Lisi
10:05 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On Monday 14 April 2014 00:33:16 Robert Peters wrote:
Hello,
My Thinkpad laptop has a Lubuntu partition that has wired and wireless
access: the modules are iwlwifi and e1000e.
Another partition runs exeGnu Trinity 14 but no internet connection.
I used modprobe to install the above modules and put their names in
/etc/modules, but wlan0 and eth0 are still not seen.
What to do?
Robert
Check dmesg. Most probably you did not installed the firmwares required by
your network cards.
--
Serghei
14 Apr
14 Apr
7:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On 14 April 2014 00:05, Serghei Amelian <serghei(a)thel.ro> wrote:
On Monday 14 April 2014 00:33:16 Robert Peters wrote:
True, the network devices don't get loaded. I have copied iwlwifi
ucode files to /lib/firmware and am trying to find how to get the
kernel to use them on startup.
Robert
Hello,
My Thinkpad laptop has a Lubuntu partition that has wired and wireless
access: the modules are iwlwifi and e1000e.
Another partition runs exeGnu Trinity 14 but no internet connection.
I used modprobe to install the above modules and put their names in
/etc/modules, but wlan0 and eth0 are still not seen.
What to do?
Robert
Check dmesg. Most probably you did not installed the firmwares required by
your network cards.
--
Serghei 
10:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On Monday 14 April 2014 11:45:06 you wrote:
On 14 April 2014 00:05, Serghei Amelian
<serghei(a)thel.ro> wrote:
You sould not have to manually add firmware, afaik.
Somethng like the following link might help, Ubuntu is similar, try
their site.
https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
My thinkpad is a 520 series and works with Wheezy and TDE 14.
--
Peace,
Greg
On Monday 14 April 2014 00:33:16 Robert Peters
wrote:
True, the network devices don't get loaded. I have copied iwlwifi
ucode files to /lib/firmware and am trying to find how to get the
kernel to use them on startup.
Robert Hello,
My Thinkpad laptop has a Lubuntu partition that has wired and
wireless access: the modules are iwlwifi and e1000e.
Another partition runs exeGnu Trinity 14 but no internet
connection. I used modprobe to install the above modules and put
their names in /etc/modules, but wlan0 and eth0 are still not
seen.
What to do?
Robert
Check dmesg. Most probably you did not installed the firmwares
required by your network cards.
--
Serghei 
15 Apr
15 Apr
5:47 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014, Robert Peters wrote:
On 14 April 2014 00:05, Serghei Amelian
<serghei(a)thel.ro> wrote:
I'm not clear how you determined that the network devices are not
loaded. what did you do?
Lisi said you should run
/sbin/ifconfig -a
but I wasn't sure if you actually ran this command. what did it say?
in particular is 'wlan1' or 'wlan0' there?
have a look at
/etc/network/interfaces
what does it say? in particular, is the following line in there?
iface wlan1 inet dhcp
that may be 'wlan0' instead.
and does
lsmod
show your iwifi stuff is loaded?
there are a couple more things worth doing but this is enough for now
since I've asked a lot of questions.
I find the debian stuff requires a lot of foolin' to get going but the
worst of it is, once it gets going you don't have to bother with it
again for an eternity so you forget the tricks and then have to
re-learn on the rare occasion when it does fail or you do a new
install or something.
I use the exegnu stuff exclusively.
F.
--
Felmon Davis
The confusion of a staff member is measured by the length of his memos.
-- New York Times, Jan. 20, 1981
On Monday 14 April 2014 00:33:16 Robert Peters
wrote:
True, the network devices don't get loaded. I have copied iwlwifi
ucode files to /lib/firmware and am trying to find how to get the
kernel to use them on startup.
Robert Hello,
My Thinkpad laptop has a Lubuntu partition that has wired and wireless
access: the modules are iwlwifi and e1000e.
Another partition runs exeGnu Trinity 14 but no internet connection.
I used modprobe to install the above modules and put their names in
/etc/modules, but wlan0 and eth0 are still not seen.
What to do?
Robert
Check dmesg. Most probably you did not installed the firmwares required by
your network cards.
--
Serghei
9:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On 15 April 2014 07:47, Felmon Davis <davisf(a)union.edu> wrote:
<snip>
I'm not clear how you determined that the network devices are not loaded.
what did you do?
Lisi said you should run
/sbin/ifconfig -a
but I wasn't sure if you actually ran this command. what did it say? in
particular is 'wlan1' or 'wlan0' there?
have a look at
/etc/network/interfaces
what does it say? in particular, is the following line in there?
iface wlan1 inet dhcp
that may be 'wlan0' instead.
and does lsmod show your iwifi stuff is loaded?
there are a couple more things worth doing but this is enough for now since
I've asked a lot of questions.
I find the debian stuff requires a lot of foolin' to get going but the worst
of it is, once it gets going you don't have to bother with it again for an
eternity so you forget the tricks and then have to re-learn on the rare
occasion when it does fail or you do a new install or something.
I use the exegnu stuff exclusively.
F.
Hello,
/sbin/ifconfig -a showed only the loopback device lo, and
/etc/network/interfaces lists only lo.
I did go to https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi, fetched the firmware deb,
copied it into my Trinity partition (it has no internet) and followed
the installation instructions. But after reboot, iwconfig still
showed no wlan device.
In reference to the asides on pclinuxos, etc, I found and tried Linux
Mint Debian with MATE on a live USB - liked it and installed it in
place of my Lubuntu setup. I find its interface much nicer than
Lubuntu or XFCE and like its ability to make a wireless connection on
my newer hardware. I am able to easily install and use some of my
Trinity favorites like Krusader and Gwenview. So for the time being I
will stick with it and avoid further frustration.
Thanks to everyone for all the help and ideas!
Robert
16 Apr
16 Apr
5:20 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014, Robert Peters wrote:
On 15 April 2014 07:47, Felmon Davis
<davisf(a)union.edu> wrote:
too bad.
from below I know you have moved on but I'm curious, do you know the
kernel you were using?
uname -a
I've found I've had to update the kernel to get wifi going. (I just
remembered this.)
I think I mentioned I've got it running on a Thinkpad X103e (with
Broadcom drivers).
<snip>
I'm not clear how you determined that the network devices are not loaded.
what did you do?
Lisi said you should run
/sbin/ifconfig -a
but I wasn't sure if you actually ran this command. what did it say? in
particular is 'wlan1' or 'wlan0' there?
have a look at
/etc/network/interfaces
what does it say? in particular, is the following line in there?
iface wlan1 inet dhcp
that may be 'wlan0' instead.
and does lsmod show your iwifi stuff is loaded?
there are a couple more things worth doing but this is enough for now since
I've asked a lot of questions.
I find the debian stuff requires a lot of foolin' to get going but the worst
of it is, once it gets going you don't have to bother with it again for an
eternity so you forget the tricks and then have to re-learn on the rare
occasion when it does fail or you do a new install or something.
I use the exegnu stuff exclusively.
F.
Hello,
/sbin/ifconfig -a showed only the loopback device lo, and
/etc/network/interfaces lists only lo.
I did go to https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi, fetched the firmware deb,
copied it into my Trinity partition (it has no internet) and followed
the installation instructions. But after reboot, iwconfig still
showed no wlan device. In reference to the asides on pclinuxos, etc, I found
and tried Linux
Mint Debian with MATE on a live USB - liked it and installed it in
place of my Lubuntu setup. I find its interface much nicer than
Lubuntu or XFCE and like its ability to make a wireless connection on
my newer hardware. I am able to easily install and use some of my
Trinity favorites like Krusader and Gwenview. So for the time being I
will stick with it and avoid further frustration.
Mint is pretty nice. I'm sticking with Debian though. once it's set up
it's out of my face.
Thanks to everyone for all the help and ideas!
it's always an 'education' foolin' with this stuff, so there's at
least that. glad you are good to go!
F.
--
Felmon Davis
filibuster, n.:
Throwing your wait around.
15 Apr
15 Apr
11:34 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
sorry top-posting: actually, an easy way using the exegnu distro is to
use 'ceni' to set up your network. try it.
F.
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014, Robert Peters wrote:
On 14 April 2014 00:05, Serghei Amelian
<serghei(a)thel.ro> wrote:
--
Felmon Davis
On Monday 14 April 2014 00:33:16 Robert Peters
wrote:
True, the network devices don't get loaded. I have copied iwlwifi
ucode files to /lib/firmware and am trying to find how to get the
kernel to use them on startup.
Robert
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Hello,
My Thinkpad laptop has a Lubuntu partition that has wired and wireless
access: the modules are iwlwifi and e1000e.
Another partition runs exeGnu Trinity 14 but no internet connection.
I used modprobe to install the above modules and put their names in
/etc/modules, but wlan0 and eth0 are still not seen.
What to do?
Robert
Check dmesg. Most probably you did not installed the firmwares required by
your network cards.
--
Serghei 
11:56 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014, Robert Peters wrote:
> On 14 April 2014 00:05, Serghei Amelian <serghei(a)thel.ro> wrote:
>> On Monday 14 April 2014 00:33:16 Robert Peters wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> My Thinkpad laptop has a Lubuntu partition that has wired and wireless
>>> access: the modules are iwlwifi and e1000e.
>>> Another partition runs exeGnu Trinity 14 but no internet connection.
>>> I used modprobe to install the above modules and put their names in
>>> /etc/modules, but wlan0 and eth0 are still not seen.
>>> What to do?
>>> Robert
>>>
>> Check dmesg. Most probably you did not installed the firmwares required by
>> your network cards.
>> --
>> Serghei
>
>
> True, the network devices don't get loaded. I have copied iwlwifi
> ucode files to /lib/firmware and am trying to find how to get the
> kernel to use them on startup.
> Robert
>
Hi,
Have a good look at the first parts of the dmesg content. It will probably show you what
is missing. These cards needs 2 things, which is easy to misunderstand how it works:
1. A driver: The driver is needed to let the OS use the hardware.
2. The microcode (sometimes named firmware): The hardware needs the microcode to work, and
it has no link to the operating system. The only thing that the OS do is to download the
microcode in the hardware. Then, the hardware of the card will work.
Wonder why Debian is so appreciated still in 2014. On PCLinuxOS, 98% of the time all of
your hardware is auto-configured. All of the required drivers and microcodes are provided
as a default, and if Linux doesn't support at all your card, in the PCLinuxOS Control
Center, you can graphically load your Windows driver to let it be used by ndiswrapper. In
the Network Center, you can see the state of all your connections very easily. Using the
Konsole in not even necessary. All of these also applies to Mageia too.While Debian is
known to be reliable, it does next to nothing to simplify the life of their users. So,
all I can recommend you is to try my PCLinuxOS non-official TDE remaster:
http://trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/LiveCDs
The next release of my LiveCD is also coming in a few weeks, still based on stable
3.5.13.2.
Have a nice day!
-Alexandre
2:11 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On Tuesday 15 April 2014 12:56:04 Alexandre wrote:
Wonder why Debian is so appreciated still in 2014. On
PCLinuxOS,
98% of the time all of your hardware is auto-configured.
Horses for courses, Alexandre. I administered PCLOS for a couple of
years for my husband and granddaughter. There were good points, but
I didn't particularly like it long term. Of course, I haven't
actually run it for a while, so I may be out of date, but the same, I
suspect, applies to your experience of Debian.
As I get older, the attraction of a quiet life grows greater. I now
administer four boxen: 3 desktops and one laptop. All four run
Debian 7 and TDE 3.5.13.2. All 4 users/owners are happy.
Lisi
2:32 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
From: Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014
I administered PCLOS for a couple of years for my husband and granddaughter. There were
good points, but I didn't particularly
like it long term.
Of course, I haven't actually run it for a while, so I may be out of
date, but the same, I suspect, applies to your experience of Debian.
Lisi
---------------------------------------------------------------------
PCLos hasn't gotten any better over the years. If you visit the
forum you'll see endless complaints about the apps no longer
working. The problem with PCLos is the *rolling updates* that
tend to muck things up.
Rather than updating/configuring everything at once, they update
the libraries one-at-a-time and this leads to the conflicts.
16 Apr
16 Apr
4:08 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On 04/15/2014 09:32 PM, Tini wrote:
From: Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014
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PCLos hasn't gotten any better over the years. If you visit the
forum you'll see endless complaints about the apps no longer
working. The problem with PCLos is the *rolling updates* that
tend to muck things up.
Rather than updating/configuring everything at once, they update
the libraries one-at-a-time and this leads to the conflicts.
Lisi
Tell me you are joking :-)
Tell me you wrote this because you had a bad day :-)
If you read the forums carefully, you will find out that half the
complaints are exactly the same complaints as you find in "any other
forum", even in 'non'-rolling distros.
The other half I could agree with you , but then, if you update every
day or not, is your decision, not the dev's decision.
Many of the apps which < do > break your system, are fixed the next day
( or so ).
So, applying logic to this,...don't update every day. Rather update
every 2 weeks or once a month.
But...........there seems to be an urge to have the latest .......every
day , 365 days a year !
Have a good day
Tony
Note: My wife's Lenovo ( her specific/private partition) hasn't had a
breakage for over a year, as it hasn't been updated for said period of
time. (
How more stable can you get :-)
Have a nice day
5:08 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
I wrote that UNDER Lisi's post. Since I don't hit the other
forums I don't know what their problems are. But I do know
that PCLOS has many problems with the updates.
--- Original Message ---
From: Tony Wolfs <tony.wolfs(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014
On 04/15/2014 09:32 PM, Tini wrote:
From: Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014
---------------------------------------------------------------------
PCLos hasn't gotten any better over the years. If you visit the
forum you'll see endless complaints about the apps no longer
working. The problem with PCLos is the *rolling updates* that
tend to muck things up.
Rather than updating/configuring everything at once, they update
the libraries one-at-a-time and this leads to the conflicts.
Lisi
Tell me you are joking :-)
Tell me you wrote this because you had a bad day :-)
If you read the forums carefully, you will find out that half the
complaints are exactly the same complaints as you find in "any other
forum", even in 'non'-rolling distros.
The other half I could agree with you, but then, if you update every
day or not, is your decision, not the dev's decision.
Many of the apps which < do > break your system, are fixed the next day
( or so ).
So, applying logic to this,...don't update every day. Rather update
every 2 weeks or once a month.
But...........there seems to be an urge to have the latest .......every
day, 365 days a year!
Have a good day
Tony
Note: My wife's Lenovo (her specific/private partition) hasn't had a
breakage for over a year, as it hasn't been updated for said period of
time. (How more stable can you get :-)
Have a nice day
7:37 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On Wednesday 16 April 2014 05:08:39 Tony Wolfs wrote:
On 04/15/2014 09:32 PM, Tini wrote:
No - I didn't say this. It was Tini who said it.
I have looked at Tini's post. I simply don't see how you could
possibly have thought that I said it. :-?
I do however agree with Tini about the problems caused in it by the
fact that it is a rolling distro. Ever since PCLOS I won't even look
at another rolling distro.
From: Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014
-----------------------------------------------------------------
----
PCLos hasn't gotten any better over the years. If you visit the
forum you'll see endless complaints about the apps no longer
working. The problem with PCLos is the *rolling updates* that
tend to muck things up.
Rather than updating/configuring everything at once, they update
the libraries one-at-a-time and this leads to the conflicts.
Lisi
Tell me you are joking :-) Tell me you wrote this because you had a bad day :-)
If you read the forums carefully, you will find out that half the
complaints are exactly the same complaints as you find in "any
other forum", even in 'non'-rolling distros.
The other half I could agree with you , but then, if you update
every day or not, is your decision, not the dev's decision.
Many of the apps which < do > break your system, are fixed the next
day ( or so ).
So, applying logic to this,...don't update every day. Rather update
every 2 weeks or once a month.
But...........there seems to be an urge to have the latest
.......every day , 365 days a year !
Have a good day
Tony
Note: My wife's Lenovo ( her specific/private partition) hasn't had
a breakage for over a year, as it hasn't been updated for said
period of time. (
How more stable can you get :-)
You can however get more secure. Heartbleed???
Have a nice day
Ditto,
Lisi
5:25 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 15 April 2014 12:56:04 Alexandre wrote:
you got into trouble disparaging pclinux, will be interested to see
how that debate plays out but I'm wholly with you about the 'quiet
life', an operating system should be like a graceful host, after the
introductions they get out of the way so the show can go on. Debian
does that for me.
F.
--
Felmon Davis
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo. -- Dykstra
Wonder why Debian is so appreciated still in
2014. On PCLinuxOS,
98% of the time all of your hardware is auto-configured.
Horses for courses, Alexandre. I administered PCLOS for a couple of
years for my husband and granddaughter. There were good points, but
I didn't particularly like it long term. Of course, I haven't
actually run it for a while, so I may be out of date, but the same, I
suspect, applies to your experience of Debian.
As I get older, the attraction of a quiet life grows greater. I now
administer four boxen: 3 desktops and one laptop. All four run
Debian 7 and TDE 3.5.13.2. All 4 users/owners are happy.
5:43 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
On 04/16/2014 12:25 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
I do not consider this a debate ! Someone has an opinion based on
her/his personal experiences.
I have a different opinion , based on my personal experiences.
The definition of the word << problem >> is worth a debate, not my
difference of opinion with L or T.
Many times the word < problem > stands for : Lack of experience of
.......something.
Many times the word problem gets used by people who want to be spoon-fed
( this is not distro related )
Regardless, I personal look at most problems as a challenge !
But I also agree with " wanting a comfortable computer experience " etc etc.
That's why I update PCLinuxOS for my wife's daily use no more than once
a year.
Have a nice day
On Tuesday 15 April 2014 12:56:04 Alexandre
wrote:
you got into trouble disparaging pclinux, will be interested to see
how that debate plays out but I'm wholly with you about the 'quiet
life', an operating system should be like a graceful host, after the
introductions they get out of the way so the show can go on. Debian
does that for me.
F.
Wonder why Debian is so appreciated still in
2014. On PCLinuxOS,
98% of the time all of your hardware is auto-configured.
Horses for courses, Alexandre. I administered PCLOS for a couple of
years for my husband and granddaughter. There were good points, but
I didn't particularly like it long term. Of course, I haven't
actually run it for a while, so I may be out of date, but the same, I
suspect, applies to your experience of Debian.
As I get older, the attraction of a quiet life grows greater. I now
administer four boxen: 3 desktops and one laptop. All four run
Debian 7 and TDE 3.5.13.2. All 4 users/owners are happy.
2:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
From: Tony Wolfs <tony.wolfs(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:43:43 +0700
On 04/16/2014 12:25 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
I do not consider this a debate ! Someone has an opinion based on
her/his personal experiences. I have a different opinion , based on my personal
experiences.
The definition of the word << problem >> is worth a debate, not my
difference of opinion with L or T.
Many times the word < problem > stands for : Lack of experience of
.......something.
Many times the word problem gets used by people who want to be spoon-fed ( this is not
distro related )
Regardless, I personal look at most problems as a challenge !
But I also agree with " wanting a comfortable computer experience " etc etc.
That's why I update PCLinuxOS for my wife's daily use no more than once a year.
Have a nice day
-------------------------------------------------
That's true, this is not a debate. It's people describing their experiences
with operating systems. I've tried several builds and found some were easier to use
than others.
Right now I'm having both minor and major issues with my current OS,
so rather than spending hours trying to make it work I'm trying a different one that
so far has some features I want. Like older versions of apps and KDE3.
On Tuesday 15 April 2014 12:56:04 Alexandre
wrote:
you got into trouble disparaging pclinux, will be interested to see
how that debate plays out but I'm wholly with you about the 'quiet
life', an operating system should be like a graceful host, after the
introductions they get out of the way so the show can go on. Debian
does that for me.
F. Wonder why Debian is so appreciated still in
2014. On PCLinuxOS,
98% of the time all of your hardware is auto-configured.
Horses for courses, Alexandre. I administered PCLOS for a couple of
years for my husband and granddaughter. There were good points, but
I didn't particularly like it long term. Of course, I haven't
actually run it for a while, so I may be out of date, but the same, I
suspect, applies to your experience of Debian.
As I get older, the attraction of a quiet life grows greater. I now
administer four boxen: 3 desktops and one laptop. All four run
Debian 7 and TDE 3.5.13.2. All 4 users/owners are happy.
7:38 a.m.
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On Wednesday 16 April 2014 06:25:19 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
???
Lisi
On Tuesday 15 April 2014 12:56:04 Alexandre
wrote:
you got into trouble disparaging pclinux, Wonder why Debian is so appreciated still in
2014. On PCLinuxOS,
98% of the time all of your hardware is auto-configured.
Horses for courses, Alexandre. I administered PCLOS for a couple
of years for my husband and granddaughter. There were good
points, but I didn't particularly like it long term. Of course,
I haven't actually run it for a while, so I may be out of date,
but the same, I suspect, applies to your experience of Debian.
As I get older, the attraction of a quiet life grows greater. I
now administer four boxen: 3 desktops and one laptop. All four
run Debian 7 and TDE 3.5.13.2. All 4 users/owners are happy. will be interested to see
how that debate plays out but I'm wholly with you about the 'quiet
life', an operating system should be like a graceful host, after
the introductions they get out of the way so the show can go on.
Debian does that for me.
F.
8 a.m.
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On Wed, 16 Apr 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 16 April 2014 06:25:19 Felmon Davis
wrote:
did I confuse you with someone else? my apologies.
F.
--
Felmon Davis
A pencil with no point needs no eraser.
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
??? On Tuesday 15 April 2014 12:56:04 Alexandre
wrote:
you got into trouble disparaging pclinux, Wonder why Debian is so appreciated still in
2014. On PCLinuxOS,
98% of the time all of your hardware is auto-configured.
Horses for courses, Alexandre. I administered PCLOS for a couple
of years for my husband and granddaughter. There were good
points, but I didn't particularly like it long term. Of course,
I haven't actually run it for a while, so I may be out of date,
but the same, I suspect, applies to your experience of Debian.
As I get older, the attraction of a quiet life grows greater. I
now administer four boxen: 3 desktops and one laptop. All four
run Debian 7 and TDE 3.5.13.2. All 4 users/owners are happy.
12:50 p.m.
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Hi all!
Please stay calm and use whatever you want. Linux is all about choice and there is
absolutely no reason on earth to battle against each others.
-Alexandre
1:06 p.m.
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Hi, Alexandre,
On Wednesday 16 April 2014 13:50:21 Alexandre wrote:
Please stay calm and use whatever you want. Linux is
all about
choice and there is absolutely no reason on earth to battle against
each others.
Well said. As I said to you, to each his own. Horses for courses. I
admire tremendously the work that you do. I could not do it. I just
don't always agree with you!!
And I have never said anything worse about PCLOS than that I
personally don't particularly like it. Now if you think I have poor
taste, that could even be a compliment. ;-)
Lisi
15 Apr
15 Apr
7:27 p.m.
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On 04/15/2014 06:56 PM, Alexandre wrote:
I am 100% with you here, regarding Debian.
I have tried it a few times. It worked well, but....I like my comfort zone.
So, pee-see-el-oo-es it is
And your remaster has been wonderfull, ...or better, still is.
A hundred time thanks
Tony
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014, Robert Peters wrote:
> On 14 April 2014 00:05, Serghei Amelian <serghei(a)thel.ro> wrote:
>> On Monday 14 April 2014 00:33:16 Robert Peters wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> My Thinkpad laptop has a Lubuntu partition that has wired and
wireless
>>> access: the modules are iwlwifi and
e1000e.
>>> Another partition runs exeGnu Trinity 14 but no internet connection.
>>> I used modprobe to install the above modules and put their names in
>>> /etc/modules, but wlan0 and eth0 are still not seen.
>>> What to do?
>>> Robert
>>>
>> Check dmesg. Most probably you did not installed the firmwares
required
by
>> your network cards.
>> --
>> Serghei
>
>
> True, the network devices don't get loaded. I have copied iwlwifi
> ucode files to /lib/firmware and am trying to find how to get the
> kernel to use them on startup.
> Robert
>
Hi,
Have a good look at the first parts of the dmesg content. It will
probably show you what is missing. These cards needs 2 things, which
is easy to misunderstand how it works:
1. A driver: The driver is needed to let the OS use the hardware.
2. The microcode (sometimes named firmware): The hardware needs the
microcode to work, and it has no link to the operating system. The
only thing that the OS do is to download the microcode in the
hardware. Then, the hardware of the card will work.
Wonder why Debian is so appreciated still in 2014. On PCLinuxOS, 98%
of the time all of your hardware is auto-configured. All of the
required drivers and microcodes are provided as a default, and if
Linux doesn't support at all your card, in the PCLinuxOS Control
Center, you can graphically load your Windows driver to let it be used
by ndiswrapper. In the Network Center, you can see the state of all
your connections very easily. Using the Konsole in not even necessary.
All of these also applies to Mageia too.While Debian is known to be
reliable, it does next to nothing to simplify the life of their users.
So, all I can recommend you is to try my PCLinuxOS non-official TDE
remaster:
http://trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/LiveCDs
The next release of my LiveCD is also coming in a few weeks, still
based on stable 3.5.13.2.
Have a nice day!
-Alexandre
12:36 p.m.
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Is there a list somewhere of the apps that come with TDE-PCLinuxOS?
12:58 p.m.
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From: trin(a)telekon.org
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:36:29 -0300
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
Is there a list somewhere of the apps that come with TDE-PCLinuxOS?
Hi,
All the major Linux apps are pre-installed:
TDE
Firefox
Gimp
Synaptic
Multimedia codecs
VLC media player
LibreOffice
VirtualBox
Q7Z
QCad
For the rest, all the apps you may need are available through Synapic.
Have a nice day!
-Alexandre
8:13 p.m.
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On 04/15/2014 07:58 PM, Alexandre wrote:
Just a word of warning !
As I have << no idea what you may want to install >>, it is possible
that you get a message to update pclinuxos ( Not update trinity )
If you do so, you are in for a 750 package update, because this remaster
is nearing one year !
Do you agree, Alexandre ? ?
Tony
From: trin(a)telekon.org
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:36:29 -0300
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
Is there a list somewhere of the apps that come with TDE-PCLinuxOS?
Hi,
All the major Linux apps are pre-installed:
TDE
Firefox
Gimp
Synaptic
Multimedia codecs
VLC media player
LibreOffice
VirtualBox
Q7Z
QCad
For the rest, all the apps you may need are available through Synapic.
Have a nice day!
-Alexandre
1:50 p.m.
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Just a word of warning !
As I have << no idea what you may want to install >>, it
is possible that you get a message to update pclinuxos ( Not update
trinity )If you do so, you are in for a 750 package update, because this
remaster is nearing one year !
Do you agree, Alexandre ? ?
Tony
Hi,
You can go ahead and install all the updates without much problems, but yes, it can mean a
lot of packages to update.The new release, which is coming soon, will be all pre-updated.
-Alexandre
2:01 p.m.
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Thanx, guys!
--- Original Message ---
From: Alexandre <ac586133(a)hotmail.com>
To: Trinity <trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net>
Subject: RE: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014
Just a word of warning !
As I have << no idea what you may want to install >>,
it is possible that you get a message to update pclinuxos (not update
trinity) If you do so, you are in for a 750 package update, because this
remaster is nearing one year!
Do you agree, Alexandre??
You can go ahead and install all the updates without much problems, but yes, it can mean a
lot of packages to update. The new release, which is coming soon, will be all
pre-updated.
-Alexandre
9:15 p.m.
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On 04/15/2014 09:01 PM, Tini wrote:
Thanx, guys!
--- Original Message ---
From: Alexandre <ac586133(a)hotmail.com>
To: Trinity <trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net>
Subject: RE: [trinity-users] Trying to activate wlan0 and eth0
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014
Just a word of warning !
As I have << no idea what you may want to install >>,
it is possible that you get a message to update pclinuxos (not update
trinity) If you do so, you are in for a 750 package update, because this
remaster is nearing one year!
Do you agree, Alexandre??
You can go ahead and install all the updates without much problems, but yes, it can mean
a lot of packages to update. The new release, which is coming soon, will be all
pre-updated.
-Alexandre
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4:19 p.m.
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If your machine needs iwlwifi (as does my older Lenovo), for Debian:
Make sure "nonfree" is in your sources.list
apt-get update
apt-get install iwlwifi
Simple as that. Ceni or wicd can help identify and set up your
interface(s) but any required non-free firmware must first be installed.
Some newer devices might need a newer kernel.
Debian does not ship non-free by default (iwlwifi). That does not
necessarily mean it is difficult to install, if needed.
https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
David
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