21 Sep
2012
21 Sep
'12
10:08 a.m.
Trinity on my new box sometimes starts shutting down and then hangs. I have
tried giving it time, but once it has hung, I can leave it for several hours
without movement. The file system does not appreciate it whne I use the
on/off button or the reset button.
My system is:
Debian Squeeze
Trinity 3.5.13 with Slavek's patches
GA-Z77-DS3H motherboard
/ on 64 GB SATA SSD
/home on SATA 2TB drive
Where do I go from here?
Thanks,
Lisi
21 Sep
21 Sep
10:14 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
On Friday 21 September 2012 13:08:27 Lisi wrote:
Trinity on my new box sometimes starts shutting down
and then hangs. I
have tried giving it time, but once it has hung, I can leave it for several
hours without movement. The file system does not appreciate it whne I use
the on/off button or the reset button.
My system is:
Debian Squeeze
Trinity 3.5.13 with Slavek's patches
GA-Z77-DS3H motherboard
/ on 64 GB SATA SSD
/home on SATA 2TB drive
Where do I go from here?
Thanks,
Lisi
Check if your computer shutthing down if you run "halt" manually. If not,
try "halt -p". If is working the second case, check in kdmrc how the shutting
down is performed, with "halt" or "halt -p".
I have no idea if Debian use systemd, but take a look there:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd#How_to_power_off_the_machine_.3F
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Serghei
10:28 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
Trinity on my new box sometimes starts shutting down
and then hangs. I
have tried giving it time, but once it has hung, I can leave it for
several hours without movement. The file system does not appreciate it
whne I use the on/off button or the reset button.
My system is:
Debian Squeeze
Trinity 3.5.13 with Slavek's patches
GA-Z77-DS3H motherboard
/ on 64 GB SATA SSD
/home on SATA 2TB drive
Where do I go from here?
Thanks,
Lisi
Please it behaves like is in bug 1068 or the like bug 1233 / 1209?
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1068
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1233
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1209
Slavek
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10:50 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
On Friday 21 September 2012 11:28:52 Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
I would say like 1233, except that it doesn't do it every time.
Lisi
Trinity on my new box sometimes starts shutting
down and then hangs. I
have tried giving it time, but once it has hung, I can leave it for
several hours without movement. The file system does not appreciate it
whne I use the on/off button or the reset button.
My system is:
Debian Squeeze
Trinity 3.5.13 with Slavek's patches
GA-Z77-DS3H motherboard
/ on 64 GB SATA SSD
/home on SATA 2TB drive
Where do I go from here?
Thanks,
Lisi
Please it behaves like is in bug 1068 or the like bug 1233 / 1209?
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1068
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1233
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1209
12:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
On Friday 21 September 2012 11:28:52 Slávek Banko
wrote:
Including a prompt for password for the maintenance? Please, you have
kernel from distribution, or backports? Platform - amd64 × i386?
Slávek
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Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
I would say like 1233, except that it doesn't do it every time.
Lisi
Trinity on my new box sometimes starts shutting
down and then
hangs. I have tried giving it time, but once it has hung, I can
leave it for several hours without movement. The file system does
not appreciate it whne I use the on/off button or the reset button.
My system is:
Debian Squeeze
Trinity 3.5.13 with Slavek's patches
GA-Z77-DS3H motherboard
/ on 64 GB SATA SSD
/home on SATA 2TB drive
Where do I go from here?
Thanks,
Lisi
Please it behaves like is in bug 1068 or the like bug 1233 / 1209?
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1068
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1233
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1209
1:05 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
On Friday 21 September 2012 13:45:52 Slávek Banko wrote:
Including a prompt for password for the maintenance?
No
Please, you have
kernel from distribution, or backports? Platform - amd64 × i386?
3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64
Lisi
1:21 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
On Friday 21 September 2012 13:45:52 Slávek Banko wrote:
Including a prompt for password for the maintenance?
It usually gets stuck at a very early stage. I repeat, that it doesn't do
this every time, and if I could find a way of getting out of the hang without
messing up my file system I could probably live with it. Tho' it would be
nice not to have to do so.
Thanks, Slavek. You are stalwart as well as a genius!
Lisi
1:40 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
It usually gets stuck at a very early stage. I
repeat, that it doesn't
do this every time, and if I could find a way of getting out of the
hang without messing up my file system I could probably live with it.
Tho' it would be nice not to have to do so.
Thanks, Slavek. You are stalwart as well as a genius!
When it hangs, works even login on text console?
If so, kdm_greet is still running?
And if so, try to kill it: killall -9 kdm_greet.
Slávek
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2:39 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
On Friday 21 September 2012 14:40:21 Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
Hi, Slávek!
I haven't tried. I haven't had a chance to try! The machine is too busy not
shutting down.
I'll watch out for a chance to try it. Which is probably the best way
possible of ensuring that it doesn't fail for days!
Come to think of it I could/should have tried ssh-ing in.
Lisi
It usually gets stuck at a very early stage. I
repeat, that it doesn't
do this every time, and if I could find a way of getting out of the
hang without messing up my file system I could probably live with it.
Tho' it would be nice not to have to do so.
Thanks, Slavek. You are stalwart as well as a genius!
When it hangs, works even login on text console?
If so, kdm_greet is still running?
And if so, try to kill it: killall -9 kdm_greet. 
5:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
On Friday 21 September 2012 15:39:37 Lisi wrote:
On Friday 21 September 2012 14:40:21 Slávek Banko
wrote:
What do you see on the screen once it has stopped doing anything? Is it a
blank X screen or has X closed down and dropped you back to the console? If
you've been dropped back to the console, are there any relevant messages on
the it? If you're left with a blank X display when it hangs can you do a
Ctrl&Alt&F1 to get to the console?
LeeE
Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
Hi, Slávek!
I haven't tried. I haven't had a chance to try! The machine is too busy
not shutting down.
I'll watch out for a chance to try it. Which is probably the best way
possible of ensuring that it doesn't fail for days!
Come to think of it I could/should have tried ssh-ing in.
Lisi It usually gets stuck at a very early stage. I
repeat, that it doesn't
do this every time, and if I could find a way of getting out of the
hang without messing up my file system I could probably live with it.
Tho' it would be nice not to have to do so.
Thanks, Slavek. You are stalwart as well as a genius!
When it hangs, works even login on text console?
If so, kdm_greet is still running?
And if so, try to kill it: killall -9 kdm_greet. 
22 Sep
22 Sep
1:55 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
On Friday 21 September 2012, leee wrote:
On Friday 21 September 2012 15:39:37 Lisi wrote:
Or can you press Ctrl&Alt&Del when it hangs. Mine hang from time to time on
shutting down timidity-daemon. I than was able to press Ctrl&Alt&Del and shut
down proceeded. I de-installed the deamon, now the problem is gone.
Gerhard
On Friday 21 September 2012 14:40:21 Slávek Banko
wrote:
What do you see on the screen once it has stopped doing anything? Is it a
blank X screen or has X closed down and dropped you back to the console?
If you've been dropped back to the console, are there any relevant messages
on the it? If you're left with a blank X display when it hangs can you do
a Ctrl&Alt&F1 to get to the console?
Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
Hi, Slávek!
I haven't tried. I haven't had a chance to try! The machine is too busy
not shutting down.
I'll watch out for a chance to try it. Which is probably the best way
possible of ensuring that it doesn't fail for days!
Come to think of it I could/should have tried ssh-ing in.
Lisi It usually gets stuck at a very early stage. I
repeat, that it
doesn't do this every time, and if I could find a way of getting out
of the hang without messing up my file system I could probably live
with it. Tho' it would be nice not to have to do so.
Thanks, Slavek. You are stalwart as well as a genius!
When it hangs, works even login on text console?
If so, kdm_greet is still running?
And if so, try to kill it: killall -9 kdm_greet.
2:35 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
On Saturday 22 September 2012 14:55:48 Gerhard Zintel wrote:
On Friday 21 September 2012, leee wrote:
> On Friday 21 September 2012 15:39:37 Lisi wrote:
> > On Friday 21 September 2012 14:40:21 Slávek Banko wrote:
> > > Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
> > > > It usually gets stuck at a very early stage. I repeat, that it
> > > > doesn't do this every time, and if I could find a way of getting
> > > > out of the hang without messing up my file system I could probably
> > > > live with it.
> > > When it hangs, works even login on text
console?
> > > If so, kdm_greet is still running?
> > > And if so, try to kill it: killall -9 kdm_greet.
> > I haven't tried.
> > I'll watch out for a chance to try it. Which is probably the best way
> > possible of ensuring that it doesn't fail for days!
> >
> > Come to think of it I could/should have tried ssh-ing in.
>
> What do you see on the screen once it has stopped doing anything? Is it
> a blank X screen or has X closed down and dropped you back to the
> console? If you've been dropped back to the console, are there any
> relevant messages on the it? If you're left with a blank X display when
> it hangs can you do a Ctrl&Alt&F1 to get to the console?
Whatever would be on teh screen at that point in the shut-down. The desktop
backgroind with nothiong on it, the desktop background with a message saying
that Trinity is shutting down, a blank screen...
I didn't try that first time (which is teh only time I have had a blank
screen), I don't think, just as I didn't ssh in. But I tried quite a few
things.
Or can you press Ctrl&Alt&Del when it hangs.
Mine hang from time to time on
shutting down timidity-daemon. I than was able to press Ctrl&Alt&Del and
shut down proceeded. I de-installed the deamon, now the problem is gone.
At least once, I couldn't. But I'll try again, when it happens again.
However, since I posted here it has behaved impeccably, as I predicted it
would. ;-)
Thanks,
Lisi
3:19 p.m.
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On Saturday 22 of September 2012 16:35:41 Lisi wrote:
Whatever would be on teh screen at that point in the
shut-down. The
desktop backgroind with nothiong on it, the desktop background with a
message saying that Trinity is shutting down, a blank screen...
I didn't try that first time (which is teh only time I have had a blank
screen), I don't think, just as I didn't ssh in. But I tried quite a few
things.
At least once, I couldn't. But I'll try again, when it happens again.
However, since I posted here it has behaved impeccably, as I predicted it
would. ;-)
Thanks,
Lisi
I know of two problems with shutting down:
1. Shutdown from KDM: KDM disappear, appear text console, but nothing happens.
It is possible to login to a text console. When kdm_greed killed, shutdown
continues. This case is easily reproducible.
2. Logout from the desktop TDE: Appears logout status dialog, but after a
while, there seems no other activity. After switching to a text console and
loging in, htop shows Xorg running at 100%. This case happens rarely -
difficult to reproduce.
I believe that both of these cases related to bugs in locking in libX11 - see
XInitThreads. In case 1) I found that waiting for the lock because QCursor
(no idea why). In case 2) Xorg hangs in the "perfectly" named function
WaitingForSomething. For this is not much to say - I do not know where to
look.
As the easiest solution for this time seems to me add to Trinity sources
updated package libX11. However it is not very convenient solution. But to
find a solution to these problems - to avoid problems with locking, can be
challenging and time consuming. Now what?
And then there's another problem, but for this I do not know other details:
3. Shutdown is performed, but not complete
+ http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1209
+ http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1233
This I could never reproduce.
Slavek
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24 Sep
24 Sep
3:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
Trinity on my new box sometimes starts shutting down
and then hangs. I
have tried giving it time, but once it has hung, I can leave it for
several hours without movement. The file system does not appreciate it
whne I use the on/off button or the reset button.
My system is:
Debian Squeeze
Trinity 3.5.13 with Slavek's patches
GA-Z77-DS3H motherboard
/ on 64 GB SATA SSD
/home on SATA 2TB drive
Where do I go from here?
Thanks,
Lisi
Lisi, Alexis, others,
If you want, I can send you updated packages libX11, that you can try if
it helps in resolving your fault shutdown. For now, I do not want to
include these packages into PPA. If you verify that this update will
help, we will start the debate about inclusion.
Note: This is currently related only to Debian Squeeze. For Ubuntu Lucid
and Maverick I would prepare an update libX11 later.
Slávek
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25 Sep
25 Sep
4:09 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity not shutting down properly
On Monday 24 September 2012 16:46:11 Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
Thanks, Slávek.
I have temporarily abandoned my new computer in disgust and come back to the
old one. So the emails that I had tried to transfer across will now be out
of date.
If I can unstick myself and get back to the new computer I'll try your patch
and report back.
Thanks,
Lisi
Trinity on my new box sometimes starts shutting
down and then hangs. I
have tried giving it time, but once it has hung, I can leave it for
several hours without movement. The file system does not appreciate it
whne I use the on/off button or the reset button.
My system is:
Debian Squeeze
Trinity 3.5.13 with Slavek's patches
GA-Z77-DS3H motherboard
/ on 64 GB SATA SSD
/home on SATA 2TB drive
Where do I go from here?
Thanks,
Lisi
Lisi, Alexis, others,
If you want, I can send you updated packages libX11, that you can try if
it helps in resolving your fault shutdown. For now, I do not want to
include these packages into PPA. If you verify that this update will
help, we will start the debate about inclusion.
Note: This is currently related only to Debian Squeeze. For Ubuntu Lucid
and Maverick I would prepare an update libX11 later.
Slávek 
4:32 p.m.
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Any one know how to subscribe to this email? ive email the subscribe
thing four times.
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday 24 September 2012 16:46:11 Slávek Banko
wrote:
Dne pá 21. září 2012 Lisi napsal(a):
Thanks, Slávek.
I have temporarily abandoned my new computer in disgust and come back to the
old one. So the emails that I had tried to transfer across will now be out
of date.
If I can unstick myself and get back to the new computer I'll try your patch
and report back.
Thanks,
Lisi
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Trinity on my new box sometimes starts shutting
down and then hangs. I
have tried giving it time, but once it has hung, I can leave it for
several hours without movement. The file system does not appreciate it
whne I use the on/off button or the reset button.
My system is:
Debian Squeeze
Trinity 3.5.13 with Slavek's patches
GA-Z77-DS3H motherboard
/ on 64 GB SATA SSD
/home on SATA 2TB drive
Where do I go from here?
Thanks,
Lisi
Lisi, Alexis, others,
If you want, I can send you updated packages libX11, that you can try if
it helps in resolving your fault shutdown. For now, I do not want to
include these packages into PPA. If you verify that this update will
help, we will start the debate about inclusion.
Note: This is currently related only to Debian Squeeze. For Ubuntu Lucid
and Maverick I would prepare an update libX11 later.
Slávek 
4:37 p.m.
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Sorry i meant unsubscribe
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Timothy Pearson
<kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
Any one know
how to subscribe to this email? ive email the subscribe
thing four times.
You are definitely subscribed as evidenced by the fact that your message
made it to this mailing list. ;-)
Tim
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