William Morder composed on 2024-09-07 08:53 (UTC-0700): It's something most of us should have in our tools boxes anyway: https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-rcuc-16001/p/N82E16812119874

Hello all, On Saturday 07 September 2024 17:53:54 William Morder via tde-users wrote: Oh dear :-) how could hot plugging help? It can make only thing worse if anything.

You mean: dir /dev/disk/by-id/ Does not show this drive at all?

If you want to use it as USB, yes.

Well, if it is not recognized at all (because it is damaged), than no. And if it is, and it is not damaged, all you would need is attaching it -- formatting is possible if it is connected directly, or via USB.

Anno domini 2024 Sat, 7 Sep 08:53:54 -0700 William Morder via tde-users scripsit: Just to clearify: is this a lenovo laptop? If yes, there are some models where the internal sata connector took a leave from his place on the mainboard, creating creative error messages on the way. Nik

On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 08:53:54 -0700 William Morder via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote: Is this a Samsung SSD? The reason I ask is that they've had issues recently: some 970/980/990 SSDs were shipped with bad firmware that causes them to age and die prematurely. A firmware update was published, but it only prevents further premature aging and doesn't fix drives that have already died, from what I understand. (There are also rumours of some batches of 870 EVOs being flaky, but I don't think that was ever confirmed by the manufacturer.)

If your drive is one of the affected Samsung models, you may be out of luck, although your description of the failure doesn't match the most common manifestation of this issue, which has the drive dropping to read-only. E. Liddell

On Saturday 07 September 2024 10:26:55 E. Liddell via tde-users wrote: I am replying here, as this was the last response that I got; not ignoring Felix, Nik, et al. Well, so I went across town and dug out my SATA/SSD connector tools out of storage. It turns out that I have not just one, but two of them, and they are both USB 3.0, so I assume that they are pretty up-to-date, even though I haven't used them at all in a couple years. They have just been sitting tight in a sealed plastic bag. Neither of these SSDs are recognized by my machine, using either connector. (Don't know what they are properly called, but there is a picture in that links that Felix sent: https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-rcuc-16001/p/N82E16812119874 https://web.archive.org/web/20240907172904/https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-… Mine look pretty much the same, except my brands are, respectively, StarTech and Sabrent. The internal SSDs are, respectively, a Samsung 2 tb, 970 EVO Plus, and the factory-installed 128 gb SSD, don't know a brand name, other than that it shipped installed with a Lenovo Ideapad 3.15 laptop, and was never used. Only when this Samsung 2 tb SSD started misbehaving, then I tried out the factory-installed SSD, and that only seemed to make things worse, as now I cannot use either one, nor even get my machine to recognize them. When the Samsung is installed as the internal drive in my system, it is locked, and I cannot get into my system at all; When the factory SSD is installed as the internal drive, I get the startup menu trying to get me to register my "new" machine, which is now of course at least 2 years old. It may be that I can take these drives to somebody who knows better, and get them wiped clean, reformatted, breathe some new life into them. Otherwise, this 2 tb Samsung is a waste of money and time, as I just barely managed to back up all my data (and not as organized and neatly as I would like) before everything went to hell. At present I have install my entire system on a 256 gb flash drive, complete with root, swap and home partitions, with no internal hard drive at all. I boot from grub, and superstitiously avoiding UEFI and everything from Mc$haft, the rotten Apple, or other similar places of origin. Any ideas about how to proceed are welcome. I can look around for a new laptop, but I think that it will just be more of the same. I hesitate to put another SSD in my machine, as I fear that I will get caught in that same endless loop again. Well, at least I didn't lose any data, and all my work is still intact. I am once again considering how feasible it would be to move into a cave up in the mountains, buying a solar panel setup, using stone tools, and living as a hermit. Bill ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list --users(a)trinitydesktop.org To unsubscribe send an email tousers-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org Web mail archive available athttps://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydes…

On Saturday 07 September 2024 23:37:10 Mike Howard via tde-users wrote: > Hi Bill, > > It does sound like a faulty laptop motherboard, i.e. the sata connection.

> Hi Mike, > > Is it possible to replace the SATA connection without replacing the whole > motherboard?

> As I mentioned in another response, first I will find another machine or way > of testing these SSDs, and if it seems that they can be used, then I might > think about buying replacement parts for the laptop.

On Sunday 08 September 2024 05:46:39 Mike Howard via tde-users wrote: correction: I *can't* afford to keep buying new machines every couple years. But you probably figured out what I meant. For some reason, when writing on a computer keyboard nowadays, I tend to drop the negative; don't know why. It is a sloppy habit that has only slipped into my emails and posts in the past ten years or so. And due to my eyesight getting worse for near vision, I don't catch the mistakes. Yeah, kinda figured that would be so, which is again why I can build my own desktops, but don't bother with laptops.

I was wondering about power. On SATAs, inside a desktop, there are special power cords just for that, and I have a whole box of them ... in storage ... the other place, far, far away. I have a big, powered USB hub, and it may be better to plug into that. I have been plugging the adapter straight into the laptop's 3.0 ports, but I was wondering about power. At present my machine sees nothing, and the adapters' lights show that they are working. I don't have anything else here to test. (I mean, SATAs, etc.; as my desktop is in that storage place far, far away from here.) If I can test these drives somehow, before buying an enclosure, that would be a good thing. I don't want to keep buying more stuff that I may never use. Bill ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt…

At present I have install my entire system on a 256 gb flash drive,

Any ideas about how to proceed are welcome.

said William Morder via tde-users:

> Neither of these SSDs are recognized by my machine, using either > connector. (Don't know what they are properly called, but there is a > picture in that links that Felix sent:

My experience has been that SSDs ain't soup yet. I have a WD 500gb SA500 that worked for about two weeks before dying. This spring, I got a 1-tb NVMe M.2 SSDs for a Raspberry Pi 5 machine. The first one was in the process of a write when there was a power glitch so slight that it didn't even make the clocks blink. But it killed the drive stone dead. Crucial replaced it, and I have UPSed the Raspberry to a farethewell. If you poke around you'll find that such stories are common.