Hi,
I decided to port KDE Plasma 5 ''Breeze'' window borders to TDE.
It uses TDE's IceWM-compatible theme engine.
It is not 100% done, because for now the active and inactive windows are the same color, and for an unknown reasons, TDE does not follow the option to center the text, but it already gives a good preview of it!
If you want to use it on your system, just extract the archive to /opt/trinity/share/apps/twin/(icewmtheme)
Have a great 2016!
-Alexandre
Am Sonntag, 3. Januar 2016 schrieb Alexandre:
Hi,
I decided to port KDE Plasma 5 ''Breeze'' window borders to TDE.
It uses TDE's IceWM-compatible theme engine.
It is not 100% done, because for now the active and inactive windows are the same color, and for an unknown reasons, TDE does not follow the option to center the text, but it already gives a good preview of it!
If you want to use it on your system, just extract the archive to /opt/trinity/share/apps/twin/(icewmtheme)
Have a great 2016!
-Alexandre
Hi Alexandre!
This looks really nice :-)
OT: as you are testing KDE5 now, does it still need that semantic stuff to work propperly?
Nik
Hi Alexandre!
This looks really nice :-)
OT: as you are testing KDE5 now, does it still need that semantic stuff to work propperly?
Nik
Hi,
Of course, it has to look nice! Plasma 5 has removed much of the KDE4 nonsense. Most of the framework has been reworked to be much better than the KDE4 equivalent. It is also more responsive, and starts faster. TDE will really have to do something to stay in the race.
-Alexandre
Alexandre composed on 2016-01-03 23:58 (UTC):
Plasma 5 has removed much of the KDE4 nonsense.
What "nonsense"?
Most of the framework has been reworked to be much better than the KDE4 equivalent. It is also more responsive, and starts faster.
What, on a 5 month old 8 core machine with 32G RAM?
TDE will really have to do something to stay in the race.
K5 is a slug on machines that TDE is happy on, one core, 1G RAM or 2 cores and 2-4G RAM.
And BTW, Breeze is the worst KDE theme in my recollection going back over a decade. The current default TDE theme is as close to perfect as I could hope for.
On Monday 04 January 2016 01:25:29 Felix Miata wrote:
Alexandre composed on 2016-01-03 23:58 (UTC):
Plasma 5 has removed much of the KDE4 nonsense.
What "nonsense"?
Most of the framework has been reworked to be much better than the KDE4 equivalent. It is also more responsive, and starts faster.
What, on a 5 month old 8 core machine with 32G RAM?
TDE will really have to do something to stay in the race.
K5 is a slug on machines that TDE is happy on, one core, 1G RAM or 2 cores and 2-4G RAM.
And BTW, Breeze is the worst KDE theme in my recollection going back over a decade. The current default TDE theme is as close to perfect as I could hope for.
Thank you, Felix. I don't want TDE to compete with KDE. I like TDE _because_ it is not like KDE and its ilk. If you don't like what TDE looks like, Alexandre, as you see you can easily change it. That is its greatest strength. It lets you choose.
As for start-up speed, that would not be _my_ choice for the focus of our developers' time with so few of them there. It isn't all that fast, but nor is it slow.
Lisi
Thank you, Felix. I don't want TDE to compete with KDE. I like TDE _because_ it is not like KDE and its ilk. If you don't like what TDE looks like, Alexandre, as you see you can easily change it. That is its greatest strength. It lets you choose.
As for start-up speed, that would not be _my_ choice for the focus of our developers' time with so few of them there. It isn't all that fast, but nor is it slow.
Lisi
Hi,
First of all, 2016 would be so much greater here if everyone could stay respectful of what other's are saying, and of other's work. Choose your words.
I use it on Kubuntu 15.10. After all the updates installed, it works very well on my Core 2 Duo with 2gb of ram, from the 2008 or so era.
-Alexandre
On Monday 04 January 2016 14:11:19 Alexandre wrote:
Thank you, Felix. I don't want TDE to compete with KDE. I like TDE _because_ it is not like KDE and its ilk. If you don't like what TDE looks like, Alexandre, as you see you can easily change it. That is its greatest strength. It lets you choose.
As for start-up speed, that would not be _my_ choice for the focus of our developers' time with so few of them there. It isn't all that fast, but nor is it slow.
Lisi
Hi,
First of all, 2016 would be so much greater here if everyone could stay respectful of what other's are saying, and of other's work. Choose your words.
What do you object to in my words?
I use it
Which one? KDE5?
on Kubuntu 15.10. After all the updates installed, it works very well on my Core 2 Duo with 2gb of ram, from the 2008 or so era.
I haven't tested. Perhaps Felix hasn't either. But why does it matter? Why must TDE constantly compete? Why is it a competition? Each person uses what her or she likes. If you prefer KDE5, I see no reason why you shouldn't use KDE5. Why does TDE have to become like it?? If KDE5 is now faster than TDE on similar hardware, good for it.
Difference and individuality are part of what Open Source and Free Software are all about.
Lisi
Hi,
First of all, 2016 would be so much greater here if everyone could stay respectful of what other's are saying, and of other's work. Choose your words.
What do you object to in my words?
It was not YOUR words. I know you did great efforts in 2015 on this. It is good
I use it
Which one? KDE5? KDE Plasma 5 is now default on Kubuntu 15.10
on Kubuntu 15.10. After all the updates installed, it works very well on my Core 2 Duo with 2gb of ram, from the 2008 or so era.
I haven't tested. Perhaps Felix hasn't either. But why does it matter? Why must TDE constantly compete? Why is it a competition? Each person uses what her or she likes. If you prefer KDE5, I see no reason why you shouldn't use KDE5. Why does TDE have to become like it?? If KDE5 is now faster than TDE on similar hardware, good for it.
Yes, everyone uses what he-she likes. I think you didn't understanded what I wrote in the way I meant it. Plasma 5 is overall much faster and responsive than KDE4 on the same hardware. TDE is more responsive (when it doesn't lockup) than KDE4 and Plasma 5, but TDE does take more time to boot than Plasma 5.
MS-DOS isn't much used anymore (as in not competitive), because it does not fill the needs of most computer's users out there. This is just an example.
Difference and individuality are part of what Open Source and Free Software are all about.
Lisi
Yes, differences and individuality is part of open source world, but we should all (all) be respectful for other's work and other individuals.
-Alexandre
On Monday 04 January 2016 14:49:00 Alexandre wrote:
Which one? KDE5? KDE Plasma 5 is now default on Kubuntu 15.10
on Kubuntu 15.10. After all the updates installed, it works very well on my Core 2 Duo with 2gb of ram, from the 2008 or so era.
I haven't tested. Perhaps Felix hasn't either. But why does it matter? Why must TDE constantly compete? Why is it a competition? Each person uses what her or she likes. If you prefer KDE5, I see no reason why you shouldn't use KDE5. Why does TDE have to become like it?? If KDE5 is now faster than TDE on similar hardware, good for it.
Yes, everyone uses what he-she likes. I think you didn't understanded what I wrote in the way I meant it. Plasma 5 is overall much faster and responsive than KDE4 on the same hardware.
Ah! From what I heard that wouldn't be difficult. But as neither an Ubuntu fan nor a KDE4+ fan I haven't used it. If I want/need an Ubuntu I use Lubuntu.
TDE is more responsive (when it doesn't lockup) than KDE4 and Plasma 5, but TDE does take more time to boot than Plasma 5.
Interesting. Fast boot-up seems to be th order of the day. But does it now make a difference what is underneath?
MS-DOS isn't much used anymore (as in not competitive), because it does not fill the needs of most computer's users out there. This is just an example.
I would analyse its demise as being hardware related. Many of us liked it, but it is not up coping with to modern hardware.
Difference and individuality are part of what Open Source and Free Software are all about.
Lisi
Yes, differences and individuality is part of open source world, but we should all (all) be respectful for other's work and other individuals.
Of course. That goes without saying. It is par for the course.
Lisi
On Monday 04 January 2016 15:02:43 Lisi Reisz wrote:
Interesting. Fast boot-up seems to be thE order of the day. But does it noT make a difference what is underneath?
I am trying right clicking as I go for the spell checker. It produces some bizarre results if I don't check more carefully than I usually do. :-(
Lisi
On 16-01-04 10:02 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 04 January 2016 14:49:00 Alexandre wrote:
Which one? KDE5? KDE Plasma 5 is now default on Kubuntu 15.10
on Kubuntu 15.10. After all the updates installed, it works very well on my Core 2 Duo with 2gb of ram, from the 2008 or so era.
I haven't tested. Perhaps Felix hasn't either. But why does it matter? Why must TDE constantly compete? Why is it a competition? Each person uses what her or she likes. If you prefer KDE5, I see no reason why you shouldn't use KDE5. Why does TDE have to become like it?? If KDE5 is now faster than TDE on similar hardware, good for it.
Yes, everyone uses what he-she likes. I think you didn't understanded what I wrote in the way I meant it. Plasma 5 is overall much faster and responsive than KDE4 on the same hardware.
Ah! From what I heard that wouldn't be difficult. But as neither an Ubuntu fan nor a KDE4+ fan I haven't used it. If I want/need an Ubuntu I use Lubuntu.
TDE is more responsive (when it doesn't lockup) than KDE4 and Plasma 5, but TDE does take more time to boot than Plasma 5.
Interesting. Fast boot-up seems to be th order of the day. But does it now make a difference what is underneath?
MS-DOS isn't much used anymore (as in not competitive), because it does not fill the needs of most computer's users out there. This is just an example.
I would analyse its demise as being hardware related. Many of us liked it, but it is not up coping with to modern hardware.
Difference and individuality are part of what Open Source and Free Software are all about.
Lisi
Yes, differences and individuality is part of open source world, but we should all (all) be respectful for other's work and other individuals.
Of course. That goes without saying. It is par for the course.
Lisi
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Boot time has come up on various lists for years. I must say I never understood the point, especially for Linux. Does anyone boots and reboot her Linus ten times a day - or even more - ? I think the boot time is of little interest for Linux since updates do not require a reboot - not like an other popular OS ;-) A power failure or a major version upgrade are the only occasions for a reboot on my Linux boxes.
My 2 cents, Pascal
On Monday 04 January 2016 16.40:20 midi-pascal wrote:
Boot time has come up on various lists for years. I must say I never understood the point, especially for Linux.
(...)
A power failure or a major version upgrade are the only occasions for a reboot on my Linux boxes.
I use Linux on Desktops. I don't let the computer run when I'm not at home / not working (that would mean using energy for nothing 80% of the time). Another situation is Linux on a laptop (I don't use laptops so often, so I shut them down when not).
This being said, boot time was almost never a big deal - it's so little compared to use time.
I loose more time when the system hangs, or some process uses all the power, or when I need five minutes to figure out how some "genius" managed to redesign a command that worked perfectly in the old way.
Everyone should keep an old machine at home. I've spent some time with an Amstrad PC 1512 recently and I can tell you my Linux machine is _very_ fast compared to this :)
It was fun to run these old programs however!
Thierry
On Monday 04 January 2016 00.58:56 Alexandre wrote:
Plasma 5 has removed much of the KDE4 nonsense. Most of the framework has been reworked to be much better than the KDE4 equivalent. It is also more responsive, and starts faster. TDE will really have to do something to stay in the race.
On what distribution did you use it? I ask this because I tried a (beta) openSuSE Leap 42.1 (or was it Tumbleweed?) and the Plasma 5 experience was so bad that since I skipped KDE install alltogether...
So I'd be happy to give a try to something that works (even if it's clear that what one find's "nice" may not be someone else's taste - and until now I've steadily disagreed with what KDE found nice...).
Thierry
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On 2016/01/03 07:39 PM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi,
I decided to port KDE Plasma 5 ''Breeze'' window borders to TDE.
It uses TDE's IceWM-compatible theme engine.
It is not 100% done, because for now the active and inactive windows are the same color, and for an unknown reasons, TDE does not follow the option to center the text, but it already gives a good preview of it!
If you want to use it on your system, just extract the archive to /opt/trinity/share/apps/twin/(icewmtheme)
Have a great 2016!
-Alexandre
Hi Alex, it looks good. When you have a proper working version, please upload it to bugszilla as an enhancement bug. It could be a nice addition for R14.1.x (we just need to have some time to work on that properly, we have so many pending things to do :-) )
Cheers Michele
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