Hello All,
I didn't mean to start a debate. I don't think this is the place to discuss politics or religion in any depth. That being said, I have this last thing to say.
My clan is old, we have made an effort to be existentialists. I think we did a grand job of it. During our time we've come to some simple conclusions.
With very few exceptions, war rarely achieves any positive goals. War services only the few. Violence is rarely an answer.
The differences between a soldier and a terrorist are simple. A terrorist will take a life for his beliefs, a soldier will save a life.
A soldier believes in the preservation of innocence and freedom a terrorist doesn't believe they exists.
A terrorist will celebrate and bask in the death of his enemies, a soldier will morn them and see their deaths as his failure to do his duty.
All children, everywhere, are innocent.
Regardless of who pulled the trigger, a crime was committed. Regardless of what uniform one wears.
We must defend ourselves, we must prevent our extinction, the extinction of our freedoms, our way of life, of our innocent and innocence, but not at the extinction of another.
Let's spare this forum political debates. Politics has never served anyone of any value and was created by the near worthless, to serve their goals. Walk away from it and learn to live in peace.
I'm sorry for the disruption I've caused, it was not my intent. I had hoped it would be clear that any life lost, is something to morn for. I still think of the girls that were kidnapped from some middle eastern school to serve as "wives". I think of the children killed in that callous drone attack.
If you need to hate, hate the chess players, both of them. Not the chess pieces.
Kate
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, Kate Draven wrote:
we have made an effort to be existentialists.
now that's a whole other debate! <g>
f.
On 2015.11.15 23:12, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, Kate Draven wrote:
we have made an effort to be existentialists.
now that's a whole other debate! <g>
f.
What France suffered from savage terror is what the Syrian people have been enduring for over five years.France is supporting the opposition and rebel groups against Syria government. France had been a particularly vocal opponent of Assad during the Syrian civil war.The first question i asked by every French citizen today is, ‘Have the French policies over the past five years brought any good to the French people?’ The answer is no, so what I ask him to do is to act in the interest of the French people—which means changing his policies. France has been in the forefront of Western countries in backing the Syrian opposition politically, financially and logistically since the conflict began in 2011. Along with other countries in the West, it has provided military and financial support to the so-called Free Syrian Army, an umbrella rebel group made up mostly of defected Syrian army officers and soldiers.
I notice your email address is yandex.ru so I can assume you are either in Russia, or one if its puppet states, or Russian. What is the west supposed to do when someone like Assad uses banned chemical weapons against his own people? Are we supposed to pat him on the back and say good job? Sorry we are not like Putin we wont invite him to have a quiet chat while his people are dying because of him. I could go further but lets be honest here and understand if we were like Russia we would have flattened Syria years ago just like Russia flattened Chechnya and its capital Grozny when the people of Chechnya wanted to become an independent sovereign state.
Now let me ask you what have Putin's policies done for Russia? It has taken away freedom for people who are gay? It has had opposition to Putin murdered or jailed, it has had any voice of opposition to Putin silenced, it has sent boys into war zones they don't want to go to, it has invaded 2 countries Russia supposedly called friends. It has supported 2 leaders (the former Ukrainian President and Assad) who murder their own people). It has practically crushed the Russian economy. Now he is bombing political opposition to Assad while telling his own people he is bombing IS. Putin is doing a good job isn't he?
On 17 November 2015 at 03:03, m.celiesius m.celiesius@yandex.ru wrote:
On 2015.11.15 23:12, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, Kate Draven wrote:
we have made an effort to be existentialists.
now that's a whole other debate! <g>
f.
What France suffered from savage terror is what the Syrian people have
been enduring for over five years.France is supporting the opposition and rebel groups against Syria government. France had been a particularly vocal opponent of Assad during the Syrian civil war.The first question i asked by every French citizen today is, ‘Have the French policies over the past five years brought any good to the French people?’ The answer is no, so what I ask him to do is to act in the interest of the French people—which means changing his policies. France has been in the forefront of Western countries in backing the Syrian opposition politically, financially and logistically since the conflict began in 2011. Along with other countries in the West, it has provided military and financial support to the so-called Free Syrian Army, an umbrella rebel group made up mostly of defected Syrian army officers and soldiers.
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On 2015.11.16 22:58, Michael . wrote:
I notice your email address is yandex.ru http://yandex.ru so I can assume you are either in Russia, or one if its puppet states, or Russian. What is the west supposed to do when someone like Assad uses banned chemical weapons against his own people? Are we supposed to pat him on the back and say good job? Sorry we are not like Putin we wont invite him to have a quiet chat while his people are dying because of him. I could go further but lets be honest here and understand if we were like Russia we would have flattened Syria years ago just like Russia flattened Chechnya and its capital Grozny when the people of Chechnya wanted to become an independent sovereign state.
Now let me ask you what have Putin's policies done for Russia? It has taken away freedom for people who are gay? It has had opposition to Putin murdered or jailed, it has had any voice of opposition to Putin silenced, it has sent boys into war zones they don't want to go to, it has invaded 2 countries Russia supposedly called friends. It has supported 2 leaders (the former Ukrainian President and Assad) who murder their own people). It has practically crushed the Russian economy. Now he is bombing political opposition to Assad while telling his own people he is bombing IS. Putin is doing a good job isn't he?
On 17 November 2015 at 03:03, m.celiesius <m.celiesius@yandex.ru mailto:m.celiesius@yandex.ru> wrote:
On 2015.11.15 23:12, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, Kate Draven wrote: we have made an effort to be existentialists. now that's a whole other debate! <g> f. What France suffered from savage terror is what the Syrian people have been enduring for over five years.France is supporting the opposition and rebel groups against Syria government. France had been a particularly vocal opponent of Assad during the Syrian civil war.The first question i asked by every French citizen today is, ‘Have the French policies over the past five years brought any good to the French people?’ The answer is no, so what I ask him to do is to act in the interest of the French people—which means changing his policies. France has been in the forefront of Western countries in backing the Syrian opposition politically, financially and logistically since the conflict began in 2011. Along with other countries in the West, it has provided military and financial support to the so-called Free Syrian Army, an umbrella rebel group made up mostly of defected Syrian army officers and soldiers. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@lists.pearsoncomputing.net <mailto:trinity-users-unsubscribe@lists.pearsoncomputing.net> For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@lists.pearsoncomputing.net <mailto:trinity-users-help@lists.pearsoncomputing.net> Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-postingSorry dude. I am not from Russia. Try again :) Ok. Anyone who has followed the evolution of the imperialist aggression against Syria has undoubtedly noted the insidious role that France has played. From a diplomatic perspective,Paris has led the charge in demonizing the Assad regime, saying that it “stands against the will of the Syrian people” and is “killing its own people.” However, the reality is that France, along with its collaborators in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Lebanon and elsewhere, have done more to fan the flames of violence and instability than the Assad regime ever could. What the France government has called “support for the Syrian people” has, in fact, become support for international terror networks. Incidentally, Nazis were hanged at Nuremberg not only for /waging /aggressive war, but for /conspiring /to. The *François Gérard Georges Nicolas Hollande* is already a war criminal, such as for his illegal bombing of Libya (and, no, the UNSC emphatically did /not /authorize the use of force to implement a policy of regime change by supporting the armed rebels whose ranks included al-Qaeda affiliated Islamic extremists); but he could be prosecuted under international law just for his efforts to gain support for bombing Syria, even if this doesn’t come to pass, since this is the crime of conspiracy to commit aggression. Up until November 13, that war, led by NATO and allies, has been raging in Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Bahrain, Mali, Syria, Yemen... And France has been very much one of the main fomenters of the war -- in Syria and Mali mainly, where Paris has a proprietary interest as the former colonial master....So, stop NATO and stop French Fascism!**//
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On 2015.11.17 20:07, Slávek Banko wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, enough was enough. If anyone have a need to respond to spoken, swallow it and let it be! This mailing list does not deal with politics. Any further discussion about politics here will not solve anything - it is useless to continue here.
Let us return to discuss about what unites us - Trinity desktop.
Okay :-)
On Monday 16 November 2015 17:03:08 m.celiesius wrote:
What France suffered from savage terror is what the Syrian people have been enduring for over five years.France is supporting the opposition and rebel groups against Syria government. France had been a particularly vocal opponent of Assad during the Syrian civil war.The first question i asked by every French citizen today is, ‘Have the French policies over the past five years brought any good to the French people?’ The answer is no, so what I ask him to do is to act in the interest of the French people—which means changing his policies. France has been in the forefront of Western countries in backing the Syrian opposition politically, financially and logistically since the conflict began in 2011. Along with other countries in the West, it has provided military and financial support to the so-called Free Syrian Army, an umbrella rebel group made up mostly of defected Syrian army officers and soldiers.
<m.celiesius@yandex."ru"> :
It's not the reality, the factual, rather a russian information...,
and it's not the right place for this political subject.
On Monday 16 November 2015, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
On Monday 16 November 2015 17:03:08 m.celiesius wrote:
What France suffered from savage terror is what the Syrian people have been enduring for over five years.France is supporting the opposition and rebel groups against Syria government. France had been a particularly vocal opponent of Assad during the Syrian civil war.The first question i asked by every French citizen today is, ‘Have the French policies over the past five years brought any good to the French people?’ The answer is no, so what I ask him to do is to act in the interest of the French people—which means changing his policies. France has been in the forefront of Western countries in backing the Syrian opposition politically, financially and logistically since the conflict began in 2011. Along with other countries in the West, it has provided military and financial support to the so-called Free Syrian Army, an umbrella rebel group made up mostly of defected Syrian army officers and soldiers.
<m.celiesius@yandex."ru"> :
It's not the reality, the factual, rather a russian information...,
and it's not the right place for this political subject.
Agreed.
Kate
Am Dienstag, 17. November 2015 schrieb Kate Draven:
On Monday 16 November 2015, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
On Monday 16 November 2015 17:03:08 m.celiesius wrote:
What France suffered from savage terror is what the Syrian people have been enduring for over five years.France is supporting the opposition and rebel groups against Syria government. France had been a particularly vocal opponent of Assad during the Syrian civil war.The first question i asked by every French citizen today is, ‘Have the French policies over the past five years brought any good to the French people?’ The answer is no, so what I ask him to do is to act in the interest of the French people—which means changing his policies. France has been in the forefront of Western countries in backing the Syrian opposition politically, financially and logistically since the conflict began in 2011. Along with other countries in the West, it has provided military and financial support to the so-called Free Syrian Army, an umbrella rebel group made up mostly of defected Syrian army officers and soldiers.
<m.celiesius@yandex."ru"> :
It's not the reality, the factual, rather a russian information...,
and it's not the right place for this political subject.
Agreed.
Kate
I think it is at the time to throw Godwin's Law in the ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%E2%80%99s_law ... Let's see if I earn any Godwin points: My history teacher always said "we learn from history that we do not learn from history", so here is my favorit quotation on "War on terror":
Göring: "Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship." Gilbert: "There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars." Göring: "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Nürnberger Kriegsverbrechertribunal 18. April 1946
Now, how many Godwin points do I get?
Nik
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, office@klepp.biz wrote:
My history teacher always said "we learn from history that we do not learn from history"
wow! your teacher was Hegel?! I'm kind of envious, maybe.
f.
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