1 Mar
2019
1 Mar
'19
2:55 p.m.
Greetings;
After this mornings update, which refreshed about 25% of tde, I ran
okular to check on the docs for something synaptic showed me in a
changelog from linuxcnc, and got this spew in the terminal I ran okular
from after I had rebooted:
gene@GO704:~$ okular
Connecting to deprecated signal
QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before
QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before
QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
kbuildsycoca4 running...
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: checking file
timestamps
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: timestamps check ok
kbuildsycoca4(3570) kdemain: Emitting notifyDatabaseChanged ()
okular(3551)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig:
okular(3551)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig:
okular(3551)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig:
okular(3551)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig:
okular(3551)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig:
okular(3551)/kdeui (kdelibs) KXMLGUIClient::~KXMLGUIClient: 0x935b9e0
deleted without having been removed from the factory first. This will
leak standalone popupmenus and could lead to crashes.
=======
I reran it, got the same spew, but it appeared to work ok for what I
wanted to check.
evince, fwiw, has no such spew.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
11:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Friday 01 March 2019 17:35:10 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
This is also true, but evince has some printing code thats broken. Views
nice, but printing fails in wierd ways. Does tde have its own version
of a universal pdf viewer/printer driver? An okular workalike?
I reran it, got the same spew, but it appeared to
work ok for what I
wanted to check.
evince, fwiw, has no such spew.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
But Gene, I do not think okular is TDE application. What does it have
to do with TDE?
regards
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2 Mar
2 Mar
1 a.m.
Gene Heskett wrote:
This is also true, but evince has some printing code
thats broken. Views
nice, but printing fails in wierd ways. Does tde have its own version
of a universal pdf viewer/printer driver? An okular workalike?
I have never used anything else but kpdf (package kpdf-trinity) for the past
15+ years. it prints also just fine.
I have seen okular once or twice, but no idea what you mean by workalike.
The printing is done by the cups server. It took some time to configure 10y
ago. I replaced printer last year HP 5L -> HP M402dn - no issues. The 5L
was not maintainable anymore (or at least it was not worth). I hope the new
one will serve another 10y.
regards
12:43 p.m.
Gene Heskett wrote:
This is also true, but evince has some printing code
thats broken. Views
nice, but printing fails in wierd ways. Does tde have its own version
of a universal pdf viewer/printer driver? An okular workalike?
I think I now understand what you mean - you want to be able to create PDF
documents from universal viewer ... there is nothing universal, but better
or worse integrated apps.
Honestly I do not know what can be used in equivalence in TDE. I use
OpenOffice and produce PDF, which open by default in KPDF. Sometimes I
print web pages to PDF. It works also great.
regards
1:41 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: okular spew
On Saturday 02 March 2019 07:43:27 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Actually, I am reading the documentation for LinuxCNC, which is ATM 799
pages but will gain 30 or before too long because a new qt5 based
interface is being written. okular/evince are about equal in reading,
but evince can muck things up while printing if you check the fit to
page option. Last time I tried kpdf, it bombed out. But that was before
this wheezy install, and its not installed now. xpdf is there but has no
file open dialog so what good is that. and I tried libreoffice a few
weeks back and it chocked and died on a much smaller pdf. I don't have
openoffice. I just ran libreoffice6.1 which failed on that pdf, and I'll
have to use a root session of htop to get rid of it, won't quit. I'll
install kpdf and see what sort of a mop I need. :-)
This is also true, but evince has some printing
code thats broken.
Views nice, but printing fails in wierd ways. Does tde have its own
version of a universal pdf viewer/printer driver? An okular
workalike?
I think I now understand what you mean - you want to be able to create
PDF documents from universal viewer ... there is nothing universal,
but better or worse integrated apps.
Honestly I do not know what can be used in equivalence in TDE. I use
OpenOffice and produce PDF, which open by default in KPDF. Sometimes I
print web pages to PDF. It works also great.
regards
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2:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: okular spew
On Saturday 02 March 2019 08:52:12 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
But it can't open anything in /usr/share/doc/linuxcnc. You can type it
into the path, and it reverts to /home/gene when you hit return to get a
file listing in that directory. So AFAIAC it still does not have a file
open dialog. Useless to me.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
xpdf is there but has no file open dialog so what
good is that.
it does. open it and do a right click for the dialog.
fjd 
2:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: okular spew
On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Saturday 02 March 2019 08:52:12 Felmon Davis
wrote:
that is strange. I am now looking at /usr/....
at the top of the dialog there is a field called 'filter'; have you
tried your hand at that?
what is 'AFAIAC'?
f.
--
Felmon Davis
On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
But it can't open anything in /usr/share/doc/linuxcnc. You can type it
into the path, and it reverts to /home/gene when you hit return to get a
file listing in that directory. So AFAIAC it still does not have a file
open dialog. Useless to me. xpdf is there but has no file open dialog so what
good is that.
it does. open it and do a right click for the dialog.
fjd
2:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: okular spew
On Saturday 02 March 2019 09:19:38 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
I wiped it out. Hitting return in the lower path entry line restores it
in the filter field too.
On Saturday 02 March 2019 08:52:12 Felmon Davis
wrote:
that is strange. I am now looking at /usr/....
at the top of the dialog there is a field called 'filter'; have you
tried your hand at that? On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
But it can't open anything in /usr/share/doc/linuxcnc. You can type
it into the path, and it reverts to /home/gene when you hit return
to get a file listing in that directory. So AFAIAC it still does
not have a file open dialog. Useless to me. xpdf is there but has no file open dialog so what
good is that.
it does. open it and do a right click for the dialog.
fjd
what is 'AFAIAC'?
As Far As I Am Concerned.
Same rules to get that as are used to get TANSTAAFL from "theres no such
thing as a free lunch". :)
Standard internet jargon in other words.
f.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
3:11 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: okular spew
Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> it does. open it and do a right click for
the dialog.
KPDF is also in start menu : Office
> > it into the path, and it reverts to
/home/gene when you hit return
Then try navigating up (up button at the top left of the dialog) to /,
then down to /usr/...
5:06 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: okular spew
On Saturday 02 March 2019 10:11:30 Dave Lers wrote:
Which would not back up past /home/gene the first time, but has everytime
since. 3 times now. Viewing reproduction seems excellent, and calling
print brings up the equally good TDEPrint menu. So I assume it will
work but I have 2 copies now, so I'm not going to waste another ream of
paper, and all that ink until there is a real update that includes the
QT5 gui rewrite currently in progress.
By then I hope to have the stretch install respin in hand. Hopefully with
a working network, every install I've tried so far has not had a working
network due to a lack of a route as it ignores that which you put in
e/n/i, and it takes a complex route statement that is not shown in the
man page for route to make it work, applied after the first boot. Pain
in the arse.
Trying to shove this ip stuff down our throats with even poorer man pages
is NOT working well as someone has apparently decreed there are to be no
syntax examples in the new man pages. What were they smoking? I sure as
hell don't want any of /that/ stuff.
Anyway, kpdf looks like it might work ok. Thanks for making me aware of
it as I'd assumed it was deprecated when it was no longer in the menu's
under office.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Gene Heskett wrote:
Yours maybe, not mine as I'm still on wheezy. I have to open a Konsole
and start it from the cli. No biggie.
> >> it does. open it and do a right
click for the dialog.
KPDF is also in start menu : Office
> > it
into the path, and it reverts to /home/gene when you hit
> > return
Then try navigating up (up button at the top left of the dialog) to /,
then down to /usr/...
4:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: okular spew
On Saturday 02 March 2019 09:19:38 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Saturday 02 March 2019 08:52:12 Felmon Davis
wrote:
that is strange. I am now looking at /usr/....
at the top of the dialog there is a field called 'filter'; have you
tried your hand at that? On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
But it can't open anything in > > /usr/share/doc/linuxcnc. You can type
it into the path, and it reverts to > > /home/gene when you hit return
to get a file listing in that directory. So > > AFAIAC it still does
not have a file open dialog. Useless to > > me. xpdf is there but has no file open dialog so what
good is that.
it does. open it and do a right click for the dialog.
fjd I wiped it out. Hitting return in the lower> path
entry line restores it in the filter field > too.
so did you enter your
destination into the field dialog?
what is 'AFAIAC'?
As Far As I Am Concerned.
Same rules to get that as are used to get >
TANSTAAFL from "theres no such thing as > a free lunch". :)
the.rules
are clear but the meaning is not always obvious AFAICT.
Standard internet jargon in other words.
f.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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5:12 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: okular spew
On Saturday 02 March 2019 11:15:14 moelmoel2714 wrote:
Yup, got it. :)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On Saturday 02 March 2019 09:19:38 Felmon Davis
wrote:
The upper one, no, the lower one. yes. xpdf has always been the black
sheep, been around without any great tlc since the later '90's when I
first installed red hat 5.0, so nothing its does surprises me. Why its
even in the tde menu's is a small puzzle to me. A slightly larger puzzle
is why kpdf is not.
On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
so did you enter your destination into the field dialog? On Saturday 02 March 2019 08:52:12 Felmon Davis
wrote:
that is strange. I am now looking at /usr/....
at the top of the dialog there is a field called 'filter'; have you
tried your hand at that?
I wiped it out. Hitting return in the lower> path entry line
restores it in the filter field > too. On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
> xpdf is there but has no file open dialog so what good is that.
it does. open it and do a right click for the dialog.
fjd
But it can't open anything in > > /usr/share/doc/linuxcnc. You can
type it into the path, and it reverts to > > /home/gene when you
hit return to get a file listing in that directory. So > > AFAIAC
it still does not have a file open dialog. Useless to > > me. what is 'AFAIAC'?
As Far As I Am Concerned.
Same rules to get that as are used to get > TANSTAAFL from "theres
no such thing as > a free lunch". :)
the.rules are clear but the meaning is not always obvious AFAICT.
3 Mar
3 Mar
2:32 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: okular spew
On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Saturday 02 March 2019 11:15:14 moelmoel2714
wrote:
ok, if you do so, you will find you can navigate to all directions
the user is allowed to go.
fjd
--
Felmon Davis
[...]
so did you enter your destination into the field dialog?
The upper one, no, the lower one. yes.
2 Mar
2 Mar
2 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: okular spew
On Saturday 02 March 2019 07:43:27 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
And thats a bummer. My installed copy of kpdf-trinity won't open anything
not in my home directory. What the heck good is that when the majority
of what I might want to read with it is in /usr/share/doc. That ought
to generate a bug report. But okular works...
And on running it a second time, I was able to back out of my home dir
and get to the file. Weirdsville. But the file it opened is about 10
months out of date and it was downloaded and refreshed this morning
because it was new in the lcnc repo. So I'm still puzzled.
But I've been there before too...
This is also true, but evince has some printing
code thats broken.
Views nice, but printing fails in wierd ways. Does tde have its own
version of a universal pdf viewer/printer driver? An okular
workalike?
I think I now understand what you mean - you want to be able to create
PDF documents from universal viewer ... there is nothing universal,
but better or worse integrated apps.
Honestly I do not know what can be used in equivalence in TDE. I use
OpenOffice and produce PDF, which open by default in KPDF. Sometimes I
print web pages to PDF. It works also great.
regards
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
8 Mar
8 Mar
5:18 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] okular spew
On 03/01/2019 08:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
After this mornings update, which refreshed about 25% of tde, I ran
okular to check on the docs for something synaptic showed me in a
changelog from linuxcnc, and got this spew in the terminal I ran okular
from after I had rebooted:
gene@GO704:~$ okular
Gene,
Okular was the KDE4 replacement to kpdf that had a number of bugs. It is the
pdf viewer in KDE5 (Plasma) -- it has gotten better there, but....
none of that explains how its failure is related to TDE? I suspect you have
installed okular and it has pulled in its KDE4/Plasma dependencies and -- how
now fallen flat on it face (a routine problem with KDE4/Plasma).
Additionally, it is based on Qt4/Frameworks in the various versions, so
there shouldn't be a Qt conflict.
Changes in TDE should not affect okular and vice-versa (it would be very
strange if there was still a common library name being used between the two --
and then your package manager should have flagged it).
Also note:
kbuildsycoca4 running...
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: checking file
timestamps
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: timestamps check ok
kbuildsycoca4(3570) kdemain: Emitting notifyDatabaseChanged ()
kbuildsycoca4 is the KDE4 (KDE Build System Config Cache)
I think you have a KDE4/Qt4 problem -- who would have thought... Nuke it!
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
9:54 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 00:18:11 David C. Rankin wrote:
On 03/01/2019 08:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
And just one of the reasons I baled to TDE. :)
Greetings;
After this mornings update, which refreshed about 25% of tde, I ran
okular to check on the docs for something synaptic showed me in a
changelog from linuxcnc, and got this spew in the terminal I ran
okular from after I had rebooted:
gene@GO704:~$ okular
Gene,
Okular was the KDE4 replacement to kpdf that had a number of bugs.
It is the pdf viewer in KDE5 (Plasma) -- it has gotten better there,
but....
none of that explains how its failure is related to TDE? I suspect you
have installed okular and it has pulled in its KDE4/Plasma
dependencies and -- how now fallen flat on it face (a routine problem
with KDE4/Plasma). Additionally, it is based on Qt4/Frameworks in the
various versions,
so there shouldn't be a Qt conflict.
Changes in TDE should not affect okular and vice-versa (it would be
very strange if there was still a common library name being used
between the two -- and then your package manager should have flagged
it).
Also note:
kbuildsycoca4 running...
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: checking file
timestamps
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: timestamps check ok
kbuildsycoca4(3570) kdemain: Emitting notifyDatabaseChanged ()
kbuildsycoca4 is the KDE4 (KDE Build System Config Cache)
And what do you call your equivalent to kbuildsycoca4?
I think you have a KDE4/Qt4 problem -- who would have
thought... Nuke
it!
But if you want a clean printout, okular is king. Telling evince to fit
to page runs stuff off the top and bottom of the page, on a printer that
claims to be borderless, but is perfect as a viewer. I haven't used kpdf
enough to reach a conclusion on that point, but clicking on links within
a document that point to another section of that same document does not
work, so I wind up using okular or evince again, where IIRC it does, I
think, thinker needs more caffeine this time of the morning as it just
short of 5 am here.
So to get this straight in my ancient head, which of the 3 is the TDE
preferred pdf utility?
In the list of pdf viewer/printers possible
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
2:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 01:54:00 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 08 March 2019 00:18:11 David C. Rankin
wrote:
KPDF is King!
!!!!!!!
Bill
On 03/01/2019 08:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
And just one of the reasons I baled to TDE. :)
Greetings;
After this mornings update, which refreshed about 25% of tde, I ran
okular to check on the docs for something synaptic showed me in a
changelog from linuxcnc, and got this spew in the terminal I ran
okular from after I had rebooted:
gene@GO704:~$ okular
Gene,
Okular was the KDE4 replacement to kpdf that had a number of bugs.
It is the pdf viewer in KDE5 (Plasma) -- it has gotten better there,
but....
none of that explains how its failure is related to TDE? I suspect you
have installed okular and it has pulled in its KDE4/Plasma
dependencies and -- how now fallen flat on it face (a routine problem
with KDE4/Plasma). Additionally, it is based on Qt4/Frameworks in
the various versions,
so there shouldn't be a Qt conflict.
Changes in TDE should not affect okular and vice-versa (it would be
very strange if there was still a common library name being used
between the two -- and then your package manager should have flagged
it).
Also note:
kbuildsycoca4 running...
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: checking file
timestamps
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: timestamps check ok
kbuildsycoca4(3570) kdemain: Emitting notifyDatabaseChanged ()
kbuildsycoca4 is the KDE4 (KDE Build System Config Cache)
And what do you call your equivalent to kbuildsycoca4?
I think you have a KDE4/Qt4 problem -- who would
have thought... Nuke
it!
But if you want a clean printout, okular is king. Telling evince to fit
to page runs stuff off the top and bottom of the page, on a printer that
claims to be borderless, but is perfect as a viewer. I haven't used kpdf
enough to reach a conclusion on that point, but clicking on links within
a document that point to another section of that same document does not
work, so I wind up using okular or evince again, where IIRC it does, I
think, thinker needs more caffeine this time of the morning as it just
short of 5 am here.
So to get this straight in my ancient head, which of the 3 is the TDE
preferred pdf utility?
In the list of pdf viewer/printers possible
Cheers, Gene Heskett
3:23 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 09:15:16 William Morder wrote:
On Friday 08 March 2019 01:54:00 Gene Heskett wrote:
Well now, if kpdf is king, why isn't it in my menus under office? Or
anyplace else.
I'm updating a whole bunch now, including a re-install of kpdf-trinity,
but its fussing that its not authenticated. ?????
And I see I'll have to reboot as twm-trinity is in the list. For some
reason, logging out has done a hot reboot here for the last 2 years.
And thats 15 minutes just getting everything restarted correctly once I
log back in.
On Friday 08 March 2019 00:18:11 David C. Rankin
wrote:
KPDF is King!
!!!!!!!
On 03/01/2019 08:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
And just one of the reasons I baled to TDE. :)
Greetings;
After this mornings update, which refreshed about 25% of tde, I
ran okular to check on the docs for something synaptic showed me
in a changelog from linuxcnc, and got this spew in the terminal
I ran okular from after I had rebooted:
gene@GO704:~$ okular
Gene,
Okular was the KDE4 replacement to kpdf that had a number of
bugs. It is the pdf viewer in KDE5 (Plasma) -- it has gotten
better there, but....
none of that explains how its failure is related to TDE? I suspect
you have installed okular and it has pulled in its KDE4/Plasma
dependencies and -- how now fallen flat on it face (a routine
problem with KDE4/Plasma). Additionally, it is based on Qt4/Frameworks in
the various
versions, so there shouldn't be a Qt conflict.
Changes in TDE should not affect okular and vice-versa (it would
be very strange if there was still a common library name being
used between the two -- and then your package manager should have
flagged it).
Also note:
kbuildsycoca4 running...
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: checking file
timestamps
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: timestamps
check ok kbuildsycoca4(3570) kdemain: Emitting
notifyDatabaseChanged ()
kbuildsycoca4 is the KDE4 (KDE Build System Config Cache)
And what do you call your equivalent to kbuildsycoca4?
I think you have a KDE4/Qt4 problem -- who would
have thought...
Nuke it!
But if you want a clean printout, okular is king. Telling evince to
fit to page runs stuff off the top and bottom of the page, on a
printer that claims to be borderless, but is perfect as a viewer. I
haven't used kpdf enough to reach a conclusion on that point, but
clicking on links within a document that point to another section of
that same document does not work, so I wind up using okular or
evince again, where IIRC it does, I think, thinker needs more
caffeine this time of the morning as it just short of 5 am here.
So to get this straight in my ancient head, which of the 3 is the
TDE preferred pdf utility?
In the list of pdf viewer/printers possible
Cheers, Gene Heskett Bill
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New subject: [trinity-users] okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 07:23:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 08 March 2019 09:15:16 William Morder
wrote:
On Friday 08 March 2019 01:54:00 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Well now, if kpdf is king, why isn't it in my menus under office? Or
anyplace else.
I'm updating a whole bunch now, including a re-install of kpdf-trinity,
but its fussing that its not authenticated. ?????
And I see I'll have to reboot as twm-trinity is in the list. For some
reason, logging out has done a hot reboot here for the last 2 years.
And thats 15 minutes just getting everything restarted correctly once I
log back in.
> Bill
> On Friday 08 March 2019 00:18:11 David C. Rankin
wrote:
KPDF is King!
!!!!!!! On 03/01/2019 08:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings;
>
> After this mornings update, which refreshed about 25% of tde, I
> ran okular to check on the docs for something synaptic showed me
> in a changelog from linuxcnc, and got this spew in the terminal
> I ran okular from after I had rebooted:
>
> gene@GO704:~$ okular
Gene,
Okular was the KDE4 replacement to kpdf that had a number of
bugs. It is the pdf viewer in KDE5 (Plasma) -- it has gotten
better there, but....
none of that explains how its failure is related to TDE? I suspect
you have installed okular and it has pulled in its KDE4/Plasma
dependencies and -- how now fallen flat on it face (a routine
problem with KDE4/Plasma).
And just one of the reasons I baled to TDE. :)
Additionally, it is based on Qt4/Frameworks in
the various
versions, so there shouldn't be a Qt conflict.
Changes in TDE should not affect okular and vice-versa (it would
be very strange if there was still a common library name being
used between the two -- and then your package manager should have
flagged it).
Also note:
kbuildsycoca4 running...
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: checking file
timestamps
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: timestamps
check ok kbuildsycoca4(3570) kdemain: Emitting
notifyDatabaseChanged ()
kbuildsycoca4 is the KDE4 (KDE Build System Config Cache)
And what do you call your equivalent to kbuildsycoca4?
I think you have a KDE4/Qt4 problem -- who would
have thought...
Nuke it!
But if you want a clean printout, okular is king. Telling evince to
fit to page runs stuff off the top and bottom of the page, on a
printer that claims to be borderless, but is perfect as a viewer. I
haven't used kpdf enough to reach a conclusion on that point, but
clicking on links within a document that point to another section of
that same document does not work, so I wind up using okular or
evince again, where IIRC it does, I think, thinker needs more
caffeine this time of the morning as it just short of 5 am here.
So to get this straight in my ancient head, which of the 3 is the
TDE preferred pdf utility?
In the list of pdf viewer/printers possible
Cheers, Gene Heskett Cheers, Gene Heskett
You may be having problems with the servers due to an issue that was discussed
by Slavek, et al., in an earlier thread.
Something was said about using Trinity's servers rather than another; and I
quote:
> For now, you can use mirror on
> http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb instead of
> http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb
>
> Cheers
> --
> Slávek
Bill
4:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 11:05:54 William Morder wrote:
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On Friday 08 March 2019 07:23:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
I'll switch to that if this ever gets done. But for now I'm going to the
garage and see if I can coax an r-pi into running a 75 yo Sheldon lathe
to make about 3/8" of 10-24 threads on the end of a probing finger for a
cnc tool. Clearly Bill, I have too many hobbies at 84 yo myself. ;-)
Take care now.
On Friday 08 March 2019 09:15:16 William Morder
wrote:
You may be having problems with the servers due to an issue that was
discussed by Slavek, et al., in an earlier thread.
Something was said about using Trinity's servers rather than another;
and I
quote:
>> For now, you can use mirror on
>>
> > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb instead of
> > http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb
> > On Friday 08 March 2019 01:54:00 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Well now, if kpdf is king, why isn't it in my menus under office? Or
anyplace else.
I'm updating a whole bunch now, including a re-install of
kpdf-trinity, but its fussing that its not authenticated. ?????
And I see I'll have to reboot as twm-trinity is in the list. For
some reason, logging out has done a hot reboot here for the last 2
years.
And thats 15 minutes just getting everything restarted correctly
once I log back in.
On Friday 08 March 2019 00:18:11 David C. Rankin
wrote:
> On 03/01/2019 08:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings;
> >
> > After this mornings update, which refreshed about 25% of
> > tde, I ran okular to check on the docs for something
> > synaptic showed me in a changelog from linuxcnc, and got
> > this spew in the terminal I ran okular from after I had
> > rebooted:
> >
> > gene@GO704:~$ okular
>
> Gene,
>
> Okular was the KDE4 replacement to kpdf that had a number of
> bugs. It is the pdf viewer in KDE5 (Plasma) -- it has gotten
> better there, but....
>
> none of that explains how its failure is related to TDE? I
> suspect you have installed okular and it has pulled in its
> KDE4/Plasma dependencies and -- how now fallen flat on it face
> (a routine problem with KDE4/Plasma).
And just one of the reasons I baled to TDE. :)
> Additionally, it is based on Qt4/Frameworks in the various
> versions, so there shouldn't be a Qt conflict.
>
> Changes in TDE should not affect okular and vice-versa (it
> would be very strange if there was still a common library name
> being used between the two -- and then your package manager
> should have flagged it).
>
> Also note:
>
> kbuildsycoca4 running...
> kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: checking
> file timestamps
> kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: timestamps
> check ok kbuildsycoca4(3570) kdemain: Emitting
> notifyDatabaseChanged ()
>
>
> kbuildsycoca4 is the KDE4 (KDE Build System Config Cache)
And what do you call your equivalent to kbuildsycoca4?
> I think you have a KDE4/Qt4 problem -- who would have
> thought... Nuke it!
But if you want a clean printout, okular is king. Telling evince
to fit to page runs stuff off the top and bottom of the page, on
a printer that claims to be borderless, but is perfect as a
viewer. I haven't used kpdf enough to reach a conclusion on that
point, but clicking on links within a document that point to
another section of that same document does not work, so I wind
up using okular or evince again, where IIRC it does, I think,
thinker needs more caffeine this time of the morning as it just
short of 5 am here.
So to get this straight in my ancient head, which of the 3 is
the TDE preferred pdf utility?
In the list of pdf viewer/printers possible
Cheers, Gene Heskett
KPDF is King!
!!!!!!! Bill
Cheers, Gene Heskett > Cheers
> --
> Slávek
Bill
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New subject: [trinity-users] okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 08:15:47 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 08 March 2019 11:05:54 William Morder
wrote:
Cheers, Gene Heskett
These computers and stuff are a big waste of time sometimes. I keep telling
everybody, it's just a passing fad, a bad dream, and pretty soon we will all
awaken again.
Until then, there is at least TDE.
Bill
On Friday 08 March 2019 07:23:59 Gene Heskett
wrote:
I'll switch to that if this ever gets done. But for now I'm going to the
garage and see if I can coax an r-pi into running a 75 yo Sheldon lathe
to make about 3/8" of 10-24 threads on the end of a probing finger for a
cnc tool. Clearly Bill, I have too many hobbies at 84 yo myself. ;-)
Take care now.
On Friday 08 March 2019 09:15:16 William Morder
wrote:
You may be having problems with the servers due to an issue that was
discussed by Slavek, et al., in an earlier thread.
Something was said about using Trinity's servers rather than another;
and I
quote:
>> For now, you can use mirror on
>>
> > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb instead of
> > http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb On Friday 08 March 2019 01:54:00 Gene Heskett
wrote:
> On Friday 08 March 2019 00:18:11 David C. Rankin wrote:
> > On 03/01/2019 08:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Greetings;
> > >
> > > After this mornings update, which refreshed about 25% of
> > > tde, I ran okular to check on the docs for something
> > > synaptic showed me in a changelog from linuxcnc, and got
> > > this spew in the terminal I ran okular from after I had
> > > rebooted:
> > >
> > > gene@GO704:~$ okular
> >
> > Gene,
> >
> > Okular was the KDE4 replacement to kpdf that had a number of
> > bugs. It is the pdf viewer in KDE5 (Plasma) -- it has gotten
> > better there, but....
> >
> > none of that explains how its failure is related to TDE? I
> > suspect you have installed okular and it has pulled in its
> > KDE4/Plasma dependencies and -- how now fallen flat on it face
> > (a routine problem with KDE4/Plasma).
>
> And just one of the reasons I baled to TDE. :)
>
> > Additionally, it is based on Qt4/Frameworks in the various
> > versions, so there shouldn't be a Qt conflict.
> >
> > Changes in TDE should not affect okular and vice-versa (it
> > would be very strange if there was still a common library name
> > being used between the two -- and then your package manager
> > should have flagged it).
> >
> > Also note:
> >
> > kbuildsycoca4 running...
> > kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: checking
> > file timestamps
> > kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: timestamps
> > check ok kbuildsycoca4(3570) kdemain: Emitting
> > notifyDatabaseChanged ()
> >
> >
> > kbuildsycoca4 is the KDE4 (KDE Build System Config Cache)
>
> And what do you call your equivalent to kbuildsycoca4?
>
> > I think you have a KDE4/Qt4 problem -- who would have
> > thought... Nuke it!
>
> But if you want a clean printout, okular is king. Telling evince
> to fit to page runs stuff off the top and bottom of the page, on
> a printer that claims to be borderless, but is perfect as a
> viewer. I haven't used kpdf enough to reach a conclusion on that
> point, but clicking on links within a document that point to
> another section of that same document does not work, so I wind
> up using okular or evince again, where IIRC it does, I think,
> thinker needs more caffeine this time of the morning as it just
> short of 5 am here.
>
> So to get this straight in my ancient head, which of the 3 is
> the TDE preferred pdf utility?
>
>
> In the list of pdf viewer/printers possible
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
KPDF is King!
!!!!!!!
Well now, if kpdf is king, why isn't it in my menus under office? Or
anyplace else.
I'm updating a whole bunch now, including a re-install of
kpdf-trinity, but its fussing that its not authenticated. ?????
And I see I'll have to reboot as twm-trinity is in the list. For
some reason, logging out has done a hot reboot here for the last 2
years.
And thats 15 minutes just getting everything restarted correctly
once I log back in.
Bill
Cheers, Gene Heskett >
Cheers
> --
> Slávek
Bill
8:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 13:49:10 deloptes wrote:
William Morder wrote:
Somehow I don't think my pacemaker qualifies. Darn.
These computers and stuff are a big waste of time
sometimes. I keep
telling everybody, it's just a passing fad, a bad dream, and pretty
soon we will all awaken again.
... with a silicon chip implanted in our brain :D
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7:40 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 13:00:59 William Morder wrote:
These computers and stuff are a big waste of time sometimes. I keep
telling everybody, it's just a passing fad, a bad dream, and pretty
soon we will all awaken again.
Until then, there is at least TDE.
;-)
Bill
I got the finger/styli made, not proud of it, but functional I think.
But the left knee has stood in front of a lathe about long enough for
now, trade hats for a chefs hat and see if I can please the missus. I
can occasionally. :) Snowing yet here. No great accumulation, but its
been at it a while. Just enough to let the idiots behind the wheel prove
they still are. They need a couple winters in the Dakota's or Montana
with nothing but a 125cc dirt bike for a chair car. Teach em how to
drive in this stuff...
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6:48 p.m.
Gene Heskett wrote:
I'll switch to that if this ever gets done. But
for now I'm going to the
garage and see if I can coax an r-pi into running a 75 yo Sheldon lathe
to make about 3/8" of 10-24 threads on the end of a probing finger for a
cnc tool. Clearly Bill, I have too many hobbies at 84 yo myself. ;-)
Sorry to jump in, but how was it when you were 40-50? Still had many
hobbies?
8:14 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 13:48:20 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Some, but I was busy too, usually keeping some tv station on the air.
Thats what I did from '62 till I retired. Got interesting at times, like
opening the door to walk back to the Bronco parked 3 miles back down
North Mtn CO, and discovering that while I could hear the wind blowing
while I was replacing a VA-723 klystron in a microwave radio, that it
had buried the shack in fresh powder. Thank $Diety someone had planted
30 foot poplar poles alongside the road for markers, I could see those,
along with 60 kajillian stars overhead, but your hand a foot below
eyelevel. Nope. But I slogged thru 4 to 6 feet of moving powder and got
back to the Bronco, lugging a big red tube caddy, a smaller toolbox and
a 35 mhz Phillips scope, in about 2 hours. Got it turned around and by
the time I got back to the country store about 30 miles west of
Telleride, I was just in time to get the first sample of the first
coffee of the day, gas up the bronco and head for Slick Rock & turn left
and eventually New Mexico. That job showed me a lot of high, 10,000 foot
or more back country that wasn't inhabited, not even by game, so you
were for sure on your own if trouble developed.
In those days, spare time usually found me at the rifle range, looking
for the magic load that could make 10 bullets fit thru one ragged hole.
100 meters away. And when the weather warms up, I'll be back at that
again.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
I'll switch to that if this ever gets done.
But for now I'm going to
the garage and see if I can coax an r-pi into running a 75 yo
Sheldon lathe to make about 3/8" of 10-24 threads on the end of a
probing finger for a cnc tool. Clearly Bill, I have too many hobbies
at 84 yo myself. ;-)
Sorry to jump in, but how was it when you were 40-50? Still had many
hobbies?
4:07 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 10:23:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On Friday 08 March 2019 09:15:16 William Morder
wrote:
I see in one of the mime menu's that kpdf isn't called kpdf-trinity, but
kpdf-part?
On Friday 08 March 2019 01:54:00 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Well now, if kpdf is king, why isn't it in my menus under office? Or
anyplace else.
I'm updating a whole bunch now, including a re-install of
kpdf-trinity, but its fussing that its not authenticated. ????? On Friday 08 March 2019 00:18:11 David C. Rankin
wrote:
KPDF is King!
!!!!!!! On 03/01/2019 08:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings;
>
> After this mornings update, which refreshed about 25% of tde,
> I ran okular to check on the docs for something synaptic
> showed me in a changelog from linuxcnc, and got this spew in
> the terminal I ran okular from after I had rebooted:
>
> gene@GO704:~$ okular
Gene,
Okular was the KDE4 replacement to kpdf that had a number of
bugs. It is the pdf viewer in KDE5 (Plasma) -- it has gotten
better there, but....
none of that explains how its failure is related to TDE? I
suspect you have installed okular and it has pulled in its
KDE4/Plasma dependencies and -- how now fallen flat on it face
(a routine problem with KDE4/Plasma).
And just one of the reasons I baled to TDE. :)
Additionally, it is based on Qt4/Frameworks in
the various
versions, so there shouldn't be a Qt conflict.
Changes in TDE should not affect okular and vice-versa (it
would be very strange if there was still a common library name
being used between the two -- and then your package manager
should have flagged it).
Also note:
kbuildsycoca4 running...
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: checking file
timestamps
kbuildsycoca4(3570) KBuildSycoca::checkTimestamps: timestamps
check ok kbuildsycoca4(3570) kdemain: Emitting
notifyDatabaseChanged ()
kbuildsycoca4 is the KDE4 (KDE Build System Config Cache)
And what do you call your equivalent to kbuildsycoca4?
I think you have a KDE4/Qt4 problem -- who would
have thought...
Nuke it!
But if you want a clean printout, okular is king. Telling evince
to fit to page runs stuff off the top and bottom of the page, on a
printer that claims to be borderless, but is perfect as a viewer.
I haven't used kpdf enough to reach a conclusion on that point,
but clicking on links within a document that point to another
section of that same document does not work, so I wind up using
okular or evince again, where IIRC it does, I think, thinker needs
more caffeine this time of the morning as it just short of 5 am
here.
So to get this straight in my ancient head, which of the 3 is the
TDE preferred pdf utility?
In the list of pdf viewer/printers possible
Cheers, Gene Heskett And I see I'll have to reboot as twm-trinity is in
the list. For some
reason, logging out has done a hot reboot here for the last 2 years.
I also did one full pass of memtest86-5.01. 1:10:30 in wall time before I
rebooted to the new stuffs. No problems other than it ran the cpu as a
single, and 10C hotter than normal, at around 47C.
And thats 15 minutes just getting everything restarted
correctly once
I log back in.
> Bill
And I might add, nearly 2 hours updateing as I just did it yesterday
including the reboot, but today as mirror.xcer.cz is running at about 20
kb/sec and theres 151 files to update, just the download will be over an
hour. This is Friday, and I just did this yesterday morning.
You cannot convince me that 2 or 3 programmers have patched 151 files in
1 day. I should only have to update that which has been modified, but it
looks as if I'm being fed nearly the whole thing even if its just a
rebuild with no changes. So what causes this?
Since I'm near the right coast of the US, in WV, is there a closer
mirror?
And why is kpdf un-authenticated? Am I missing a key? Thats 4 questions.
Now its (xcer.cz) down to 18kb/sec, 45 minutes to go. Sigh. Later
obviously, much later.
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6:54 p.m.
Gene Heskett wrote:
I see in one of the mime menu's that kpdf
isn't called kpdf-trinity, but
kpdf-part?
kpdf-part is for opening files in konqueror directly, if you want to.
kpdf-trinity is the right one - the standalone app.
[...]
And I might add, nearly 2 hours updateing as I just did it yesterday
including the reboot, but today as mirror.xcer.cz is running at about 20
kb/sec and theres 151 files to update, just the download will be over an
hour. This is Friday, and I just did this yesterday morning.
You cannot convince me that 2 or 3 programmers have patched 151 files in
1 day. I should only have to update that which has been modified, but it
looks as if I'm being fed nearly the whole thing even if its just a
rebuild with no changes. So what causes this?
First of all there are more than 2-3 and secondly why do you think it was
only in one day?
Since I'm near the right coast of the US, in WV,
is there a closer
mirror?
And why is kpdf un-authenticated? Am I missing a key? Thats 4 questions.
Now its (xcer.cz) down to 18kb/sec, 45 minutes to go. Sigh. Later
obviously, much later.
Perhaps it is time to go for a walk and wait until the mirrors are synced or
whatever is on the way is settled down. I learned this when I was 35 - it
does not make sense to go against fate.
regards
8:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 13:54:32 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Ahh, but it took locate a while to find it:
gene@coyote:/etc$ locate kpdf-trinity
/usr/lib/mime/packages/kpdf-trinity
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity/AUTHORS
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity/README
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity/changelog.gz
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity/copyright
/usr/share/menu/kpdf-trinity
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.4-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.4~pre3-0debian7.0.0+2_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.4~pre5-0debian7.0.0+3_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.4~pre6-0debian7.0.0+3_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.5-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre11-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre5-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre7-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre9-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre19-0debian7.0.0+4_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre26-0debian7.0.0+4_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre5-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre7-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre8-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre9-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.md5sums
/var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.postinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.postrm
Does that look like a good install? I don't see anything in a *bin at
all.
I see in one of the mime menu's that kpdf
isn't called kpdf-trinity,
but kpdf-part?
kpdf-part is for opening files in konqueror directly, if you want to.
kpdf-trinity is the right one - the standalone app.
[...]
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
And I might add, nearly 2 hours updateing as I
just did it yesterday
including the reboot, but today as mirror.xcer.cz is running at
about 20 kb/sec and theres 151 files to update, just the download
will be over an hour. This is Friday, and I just did this yesterday
morning.
You cannot convince me that 2 or 3 programmers have patched 151
files in 1 day. I should only have to update that which has been
modified, but it looks as if I'm being fed nearly the whole thing
even if its just a rebuild with no changes. So what causes this?
First of all there are more than 2-3 and secondly why do you think it
was only in one day?
Since I'm near the right coast of the US, in
WV, is there a closer
mirror?
And why is kpdf un-authenticated? Am I missing a key? Thats 4
questions.
Now its (xcer.cz) down to 18kb/sec, 45 minutes to go. Sigh. Later
obviously, much later.
Perhaps it is time to go for a walk and wait until the mirrors are
synced or whatever is on the way is settled down. I learned this when
I was 35 - it does not make sense to go against fate.
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New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
Hi Gene,
Am Freitag, 8. März 2019 schrieb Gene Heskett:
On Friday 08 March 2019 13:54:32 deloptes wrote:
[…]
Gene Heskett wrote:
Ahh, but it took locate a while to find it:
gene@coyote:/etc$ locate kpdf-trinity
/usr/lib/mime/packages/kpdf-trinity
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity/AUTHORS I see in one of the mime menu's that kpdf
isn't called
kpdf-trinity, but kpdf-part?
kpdf-part is for opening files in konqueror directly, if you want
to. kpdf-trinity is the right one - the standalone app. /var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.postrm
Does that look like a good install? I don't see anything in a *bin at
all.
On my system (preliminary stable builds for Debian, TDE R14.0.6) the
binaries are in:
/opt/trinity/bin/
Also, the binary for kpdf is called just "kpdf", that is:
/opt/trinity/bin/kpdf
HTH
Kind regards,
Stefan
9:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 15:54:45 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Hi Gene,
Am Freitag, 8. März 2019 schrieb Gene Heskett:
And by golly, thar it tis!
But its still not in the "office" menu's? ? ?
On Friday 08 March 2019 13:54:32 deloptes wrote:
[…]
Gene Heskett wrote:
Ahh, but it took locate a while to find it:
gene@coyote:/etc$ locate kpdf-trinity
/usr/lib/mime/packages/kpdf-trinity
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity/AUTHORS I see in one of the mime menu's that kpdf
isn't called
kpdf-trinity, but kpdf-part?
kpdf-part is for opening files in konqueror directly, if you want
to. kpdf-trinity is the right one - the standalone app. /var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.postrm
Does that look like a good install? I don't see anything in a *bin
at all.
On my system (preliminary stable builds for Debian, TDE R14.0.6) the
binaries are in:
/opt/trinity/bin/
Also, the binary for kpdf is called just "kpdf", that is:
/opt/trinity/bin/kpdf HTH
Kind regards,
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11:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 13:42:00 Gene Heskett wrote:
[…]
And by golly, thar it tis!
But its still not in the "office" menu's? ? ?
{snip}
> I see in
one of the mime menu's that kpdf isn't called
> kpdf-trinity, but kpdf-part?
kpdf-part is for opening files in konqueror directly, if you want
to. kpdf-trinity is the right one - the standalone app.
Ahh, but it took locate a while to find it:
gene@coyote:/etc$ locate kpdf-trinity
/usr/lib/mime/packages/kpdf-trinity
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity/AUTHORS /var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.postrm
Does that look like a good install? I don't see anything in a *bin
at all.
On my system (preliminary stable builds for Debian, TDE R14.0.6) the
binaries are in:
/opt/trinity/bin/
Also, the binary for kpdf is called just "kpdf", that is:
/opt/trinity/bin/kpdf
Cheers, Gene Heskett
It is in my office menus, FWIW, even though I almost never run programs except
my alt-F2 or command-line. (Actually, I find that KPDF occurs in my menus no
less than 3 times, maybe more that I haven't found.) In any case, I believe
that you can insert any item, including kpdf, into your menu manually, using
TDE Menu Editor: alt-F1, then right-click on office and edit menu.
Bill
9 Mar
9 Mar
1:51 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 18:38:34 William Morder wrote:
On Friday 08 March 2019 13:42:00 Gene Heskett wrote:
And by golly, thar it tis!
But its still not in the "office" menu's? ? ?
{snip}
I looked at kmenuedit this afternoon, and got the impression i didn't
have perms to do anything to it. RunnIng Kfindapps didn't find it
either, yet /opt/trinity/bin is in my $PATH. so I gave up, figure
smarter folks could tell me what to do next, and went to carve some
steel. Made a touch stylus from a 1/4x2" grade 12 cap screw. Works
well but my cabling is acting as an antenna, picking up noise which
equals false trips. Tomorrow. This new machine is painted with epoxy
paint, and NOTHING is grounded like it should be. Mutter mutter.
> > I see in one of the mime menu's that
kpdf isn't called
> > kpdf-trinity, but kpdf-part?
>
> kpdf-part is for opening files in konqueror directly, if you
> want to. kpdf-trinity is the right one - the standalone app.
Ahh, but it took locate a while to find it:
gene@coyote:/etc$ locate kpdf-trinity
/usr/lib/mime/packages/kpdf-trinity
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity
/usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity/AUTHORS
[…]
/var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.postrm
Does that look like a good install? I don't see anything in a
*bin at all.
On my system (preliminary stable builds for Debian, TDE R14.0.6)
the binaries are in:
/opt/trinity/bin/
Also, the binary for kpdf is called just "kpdf", that is:
/opt/trinity/bin/kpdf Cheers, Gene Heskett
It is in my office menus, FWIW, even though I almost never run
programs except my alt-F2 or command-line. (Actually, I find that KPDF
occurs in my menus no less than 3 times, maybe more that I haven't
found.) In any case, I believe that you can insert any item, including
kpdf, into your menu manually, using TDE Menu Editor: alt-F1, then
right-click on office and edit menu.
Bill
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2:27 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 17:51:03 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 08 March 2019 18:38:34 William Morder
wrote:
You might want to look into that permissions problem. Are you generally able
to run programs as root? Somebody else may want to jump in here, as I've
never had issues about changing my KDE3 or TDE menus.
Is your system is set up for multiple users? That would be a reason to
restrict permissions on such items.
Bill
On Friday 08 March 2019 13:42:00 Gene Heskett
wrote:
{snip}
I looked at kmenuedit this afternoon, and got the impression i didn't
have perms to do anything to it. RunnIng Kfindapps didn't find it
either, yet /opt/trinity/bin is in my $PATH. so I gave up, figure
smarter folks could tell me what to do next, and went to carve some
steel. Made a touch stylus from a 1/4x2" grade 12 cap screw. Works
well but my cabling is acting as an antenna, picking up noise which
equals false trips. Tomorrow. This new machine is painted with epoxy
paint, and NOTHING is grounded like it should be. Mutter mutter.
Cheers, Gene Heskett > >
> I see in one of the mime menu's that kpdf isn't called
> > > kpdf-trinity, but kpdf-part?
> >
> > kpdf-part is for opening files in konqueror directly, if you
> > want to. kpdf-trinity is the right one - the standalone app.
>
> Ahh, but it took locate a while to find it:
> gene@coyote:/etc$ locate kpdf-trinity
> /usr/lib/mime/packages/kpdf-trinity
> /usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity
> /usr/share/doc/kpdf-trinity/AUTHORS
[…]
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.postrm
>
>
> Does that look like a good install? I don't see anything in a
> *bin at all.
On my system (preliminary stable builds for Debian, TDE R14.0.6)
the binaries are in:
/opt/trinity/bin/
Also, the binary for kpdf is called just "kpdf", that is:
/opt/trinity/bin/kpdf
And by golly, thar it tis!
But its still not in the "office" menu's? ? ? Cheers, Gene Heskett
It is in my office menus, FWIW, even though I almost never run
programs except my alt-F2 or command-line. (Actually, I find that KPDF
occurs in my menus no less than 3 times, maybe more that I haven't
found.) In any case, I believe that you can insert any item, including
kpdf, into your menu manually, using TDE Menu Editor: alt-F1, then
right-click on office and edit menu.
Bill 
2:43 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On 03/08/2019 06:27 PM, William Morder wrote:
On Friday 08 March 2019 17:51:03 Gene Heskett wrote:
No, each user should be able to edit his own menu; if he can't, there's a
permission problem.
I looked at kmenuedit this afternoon, and got the
impression i didn't
have perms to do anything to it.
You might want to look into that permissions problem. Are you generally able
to run programs as root? Somebody else may want to jump in here, as I've
never had issues about changing my KDE3 or TDE menus.
Is your system is set up for multiple users? That would be a reason to
restrict permissions on such items.
2:46 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 21:27:11 William Morder wrote:
[...]
gene@coyote:~$ ls -lR |grep root -|wc -l
7927
And while I know it only takes 1 to screw it up, 7927 files here in
my /home/gene directory does sound excessive.
Thanks Bill
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene
You might want to look into that permissions problem.
Are you
generally able to run programs as root?
Generally, what need root, works as root, so I don't THINK theres an
ownership problem.
Somebody else may want to jump
in here, as I've never had issues about changing my KDE3 or TDE menus.
Is your system is set up for multiple users? That would be a reason to
restrict permissions on such items.
Bill
No, not real users although I do run some things as their own user just
for sandboxing.
Interestingly looooooong list of root owned stuff, all dated Juner 17
2016, which is the date I installed wheezy IIRC.
10:34 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Friday 08 March 2019 18:46:47 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 08 March 2019 21:27:11 William Morder
wrote:
[...]
You might want to look into that permissions
problem. Are you
generally able to run programs as root?
Generally, what need root, works as root, so I don't THINK theres an
ownership problem.
> Somebody else may want to jump
> in here, as I've never had issues about changing my KDE3 or TDE menus.
>
> Is your system is set up for multiple users? That would be a reason to
> restrict permissions on such items.
>
> Bill > [quoting:]
> No, each user should be able to edit his own menu; if he can't, there's a
> permission problem.
> Dan Youngquist
I rather thought so, but I don't deal with multiple users; except on rare
occasions, that is, when I use other people's computers, or public computers.
No, not real users although I do run some things as their own user just
for sandboxing.
Interestingly looooooong list of root owned stuff, all dated Juner 17
2016, which is the date I installed wheezy IIRC.
gene@coyote:~$ ls -lR |grep root -|wc -l
7927
And while I know it only takes 1 to screw it up, 7927 files here in
my /home/gene directory does sound excessive.
Thanks Bill
Cheers, Gene Heskett
We have yet to resolve the issue, although that does sound like a long list.
Don't thank me too soon.
Bill
11:31 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
Dear Gene,
Am Samstag, 9. März 2019 schrieb Gene Heskett:
No, not real users although I do run some things as
their own user
just for sandboxing.
Interestingly looooooong list of root owned stuff, all dated Juner 17
2016, which is the date I installed wheezy IIRC.
Weird. You would have put them there as root, I think.
gene@coyote:~$ ls -lR |grep root -|wc -l
7927
In my $HOME/.trinity directory:
stekru[0]~/.trinity:$ ll -R | grep root
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2019.03.04 20:22.31 root.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2018.06.19 11:20.05 root.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2018.09.13 14:30.04 root.desktop
Meaning there are *no* files owned by root and I think that's the way it
should be.
You can try (in $HOME and if your TDE config directory is
actually ".trinity" and not ".kde3" or something else; and if your
actual user name is "gene", of course):
sudo chown --recursive gene:gene .trinity/*
Maybe for testing it'd be a little easier to just create a new user, log
into TDE as this new user and check…
HTH
Kind regards,
Stefan
12:48 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Saturday 09 March 2019 06:31:08 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Dear Gene,
Am Samstag, 9. März 2019 schrieb Gene Heskett:
I've been gene for 84 years. The only place I'm not is at the bank, who
insists on by birth certificate name. A right pain in the ass.
This is an old tde install. And it looks as if everyting in /opt/trinity
is owned by root:root.
No, not real users although I do run some things
as their own user
just for sandboxing.
Interestingly looooooong list of root owned stuff, all dated Juner
17 2016, which is the date I installed wheezy IIRC.
Weird. You would have put them there as root, I think.
gene@coyote:~$ ls -lR |grep root -|wc -l
7927
In my $HOME/.trinity directory:
stekru[0]~/.trinity:$ ll -R | grep root
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2019.03.04 20:22.31 root.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2018.06.19 11:20.05 root.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2018.09.13 14:30.04 root.desktop
Meaning there are *no* files owned by root and I think that's the way
it should be.
You can try (in $HOME and if your TDE config directory is
actually ".trinity" and not ".kde3" or something else; and if your
actual user name is "gene", of course):
sudo chown --recursive gene:gene .trinity/*
Done.
Maybe for testing it'd be a little easier to just create a new user,
log into TDE as this new user and check…
HTH
Kind regards,
Stefan
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1:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
Dear Gene,
Am Samstag, 9. März 2019 schrieb Gene Heskett:
How did that work?
Kind regards,
Stefan
On Saturday 09 March 2019 06:31:08 Stefan Krusche
wrote:
Hopefully you did not change that. I was saying (or trying to say) to
change back everything in $HOME/.trinity to gene:gene ...
Dear Gene,
Am Samstag, 9. März 2019 schrieb Gene Heskett:
This is an old tde install. And it looks as if everyting in
/opt/trinity is owned by root:root. No, not real users although I do run some things
as their own
user just for sandboxing.
Interestingly looooooong list of root owned stuff, all dated
Juner 17 2016, which is the date I installed wheezy IIRC.
Weird. You would have put them there as root, I think.
gene@coyote:~$ ls -lR |grep root -|wc -l
7927
In my $HOME/.trinity directory:
stekru[0]~/.trinity:$ ll -R | grep root
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2019.03.04 20:22.31 root.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2018.06.19 11:20.05 root.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2018.09.13 14:30.04 root.desktop
Meaning there are *no* files owned by root and I think that's the
way it should be.
You can try (in $HOME and if your TDE config directory is
actually ".trinity" and not ".kde3" or something else; and if your
actual user name is "gene", of course): sudo chown
--recursive gene:gene .trinity/*
Done.
6:06 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Saturday 09 March 2019 08:45:00 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Dear Gene,
Am Samstag, 9. März 2019 schrieb Gene Heskett:
How did that work?
No reported errors, no change in behaviour. Its as if kfindapps never
looks in /opt/trinity.
Or something like that.
On Saturday 09 March 2019 06:31:08 Stefan Krusche
wrote:
Hopefully you did not change that. I was saying (or trying to say) to
change back everything in $HOME/.trinity to gene:gene ...
Dear Gene,
Am Samstag, 9. März 2019 schrieb Gene Heskett:
This is an old tde install. And it looks as if everyting in
/opt/trinity is owned by root:root. No, not real users although I do run some things
as their own
user just for sandboxing.
Interestingly looooooong list of root owned stuff, all dated
Juner 17 2016, which is the date I installed wheezy IIRC.
Weird. You would have put them there as root, I think.
gene@coyote:~$ ls -lR |grep root -|wc -l
7927
In my $HOME/.trinity directory:
stekru[0]~/.trinity:$ ll -R | grep root
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2019.03.04 20:22.31 root.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2018.06.19 11:20.05 root.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 stekru stekru 6634 2018.09.13 14:30.04 root.desktop
Meaning there are *no* files owned by root and I think that's the
way it should be.
You can try (in $HOME and if your TDE config directory is
actually ".trinity" and not ".kde3" or something else; and if your
actual user name is "gene", of course): sudo
chown --recursive gene:gene .trinity/*
Done. Kind regards,
Stefan
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6:18 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On 03/08/2019 06:46 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
Interestingly looooooong list of root owned stuff, all
dated Juner 17
2016, which is the date I installed wheezy IIRC.
gene@coyote:~$ ls -lR |grep root -|wc -l
7927
And while I know it only takes 1 to screw it up, 7927 files here in
my /home/gene directory does sound excessive.
Did you get these permissions straightened out? If any of those root-owned
files are still in use, it could be causing all sorts of problems.
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6:27 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: okular spew
On Saturday 09 March 2019 13:18:32 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 03/08/2019 06:46 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
I changed them all in gene/.trinity back to gene:gene. No change in
behaviour. The rest appear to be from the original wheezy install in
2016.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Interestingly looooooong list of root owned
stuff, all dated Juner
17 2016, which is the date I installed wheezy IIRC.
gene@coyote:~$ ls -lR |grep root -|wc -l
7927
And while I know it only takes 1 to screw it up, 7927 files here in
my /home/gene directory does sound excessive.
Did you get these permissions straightened out? If any of those
root-owned files are still in use, it could be causing all sorts of
problems.
8:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: okular spew
On Saturday 09 March 2019 14:10:55 deloptes wrote:
find ~/ -user root
hummmm,
gene@coyote:~$ find ~/ -user root|wc -l
find: `/home/gene/.lightscribe': Permission denied
8018
And I haven't tried to use lightscribe in yonks. I think its hard on the
lasers
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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8 Mar
8 Mar
9:39 p.m.
Gene Heskett wrote:
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.4-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.4~pre3-0debian7.0.0+2_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.4~pre5-0debian7.0.0+3_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.4~pre6-0debian7.0.0+3_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.5-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre11-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre5-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre7-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre9-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre19-0debian7.0.0+4_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre26-0debian7.0.0+4_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre5-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre7-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre8-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/kpdf-trinity_4%3a14.0.6~pre9-0debian7.0.0+0_i386.deb
/var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.md5sums
/var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.postinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/kpdf-trinity.postrm
Does that look like a good install? I don't see anything in a *bin at
all.
Yes it does, but you could do "apt-get clean " from time to time.
now time to run
$ kpdf
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