greets!
I have a new notebook I want to install Debian/Trinity on.
'Secure Boot' is turned on. maybe this doesn't account for the problems I'm having but my question is about it.
in the BIOS I can turn it off but it says doing so "requires platform reset." turning it off within Windows simply reboots to the BIOS.
I can't figure out if this is just another word for 'reboot' or does it have other consequences? googling yields no clear (or trustworthy) answer.
it's an Asus Zenbook with Windows 10 Home; BIOS is American Megatrends version 300.
f.
On Wednesday 15 July 2020 17:17:54 Felmon Davis wrote:
greets!
I have a new notebook I want to install Debian/Trinity on.
'Secure Boot' is turned on. maybe this doesn't account for the problems I'm having but my question is about it.
in the BIOS I can turn it off but it says doing so "requires platform reset." turning it off within Windows simply reboots to the BIOS.
I can't figure out if this is just another word for 'reboot' or does it have other consequences? googling yields no clear (or trustworthy) answer.
it's an Asus Zenbook with Windows 10 Home; BIOS is American Megatrends version 300.
f.
Hail, Felmon!
I believe that the "platform" refers to Windoze, Linux or the rotten Apple, etc. Some software is called cross-platform, meaning that it works on different systems, so "platform reset" would seem to mean that you must install a different OS.
Be careful, though. I have a friend who bricked a brand-new laptop trying to install Linux on a system with UEFI.
This question is to myself, as well, as I am looking for a good deal on a laptop, and want to do the same. I feel sure that somebody on the Trinity mailing list will have more experience in this matter.
Fortunately I know "a guy" who knows his way around these traps. And I remember that he had a flash drive specially designed for resetting the platform, or getting past the UEFI or whatever. When I see him again -- probably in the next few days -- I will try to find out more, and maybe get myself a clone of his flash drive. (If possible, I will share the contents of that flash drive, or provide references so others can get their own.)
Don't proceed until you are sure here. It's better to wait than to end up with a paperweight.
Bill
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Anno domini 2020 Wed, 15 Jul 21:35:31 -0700 William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
On Wednesday 15 July 2020 17:17:54 Felmon Davis wrote:
greets!
I have a new notebook I want to install Debian/Trinity on.
'Secure Boot' is turned on. maybe this doesn't account for the problems I'm having but my question is about it.
in the BIOS I can turn it off but it says doing so "requires platform reset." turning it off within Windows simply reboots to the BIOS.
I can't figure out if this is just another word for 'reboot' or does it have other consequences? googling yields no clear (or trustworthy) answer.
it's an Asus Zenbook with Windows 10 Home; BIOS is American Megatrends version 300.
f.
Hail, Felmon!
I believe that the "platform" refers to Windoze, Linux or the rotten Apple, etc. Some software is called cross-platform, meaning that it works on different systems, so "platform reset" would seem to mean that you must install a different OS.
Be careful, though. I have a friend who bricked a brand-new laptop trying to install Linux on a system with UEFI.
This question is to myself, as well, as I am looking for a good deal on a laptop, and want to do the same. I feel sure that somebody on the Trinity mailing list will have more experience in this matter.
Fortunately I know "a guy" who knows his way around these traps. And I remember that he had a flash drive specially designed for resetting the platform, or getting past the UEFI or whatever. When I see him again -- probably in the next few days -- I will try to find out more, and maybe get myself a clone of his flash drive. (If possible, I will share the contents of that flash drive, or provide references so others can get their own.)
Don't proceed until you are sure here. It's better to wait than to end up with a paperweight.
Bill
You should be able to boot the installer with secureboot enabled. If not, you'll have to disable it and m aybe "repair" windows. Might be that it'll delete the contents of the efi boot partition, might be it does not. Anyway, who needs windows?
Nik
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On Wednesday 15 July 2020 23:43:05 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 15 Jul 21:35:31 -0700
William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
On Wednesday 15 July 2020 17:17:54 Felmon Davis wrote:
greets!
I have a new notebook I want to install Debian/Trinity on.
'Secure Boot' is turned on. maybe this doesn't account for the problems I'm having but my question is about it.
in the BIOS I can turn it off but it says doing so "requires platform reset." turning it off within Windows simply reboots to the BIOS.
I can't figure out if this is just another word for 'reboot' or does it have other consequences? googling yields no clear (or trustworthy) answer.
it's an Asus Zenbook with Windows 10 Home; BIOS is American Megatrends version 300.
f.
Hail, Felmon!
I believe that the "platform" refers to Windoze, Linux or the rotten Apple, etc. Some software is called cross-platform, meaning that it works on different systems, so "platform reset" would seem to mean that you must install a different OS.
Be careful, though. I have a friend who bricked a brand-new laptop trying to install Linux on a system with UEFI.
This question is to myself, as well, as I am looking for a good deal on a laptop, and want to do the same. I feel sure that somebody on the Trinity mailing list will have more experience in this matter.
Fortunately I know "a guy" who knows his way around these traps. And I remember that he had a flash drive specially designed for resetting the platform, or getting past the UEFI or whatever. When I see him again -- probably in the next few days -- I will try to find out more, and maybe get myself a clone of his flash drive. (If possible, I will share the contents of that flash drive, or provide references so others can get their own.)
Don't proceed until you are sure here. It's better to wait than to end up with a paperweight.
Bill
You should be able to boot the installer with secureboot enabled. If not, you'll have to disable it and m aybe "repair" windows. Might be that it'll delete the contents of the efi boot partition, might be it does not. Anyway, who needs windows?
Nik
Windoze is spyware that also happens to function (sometimes) as an operating system.
Bill
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Hi Felmon,
On 16/07/2020 02:17, Felmon Davis wrote:
I have a new notebook I want to install Debian/Trinity on.
'Secure Boot' is turned on. maybe this doesn't account for the problems I'm having but my question is about it.
in the BIOS I can turn it off but it says doing so "requires platform reset." turning it off within Windows simply reboots to the BIOS.
I can't figure out if this is just another word for 'reboot' or does it have other consequences? googling yields no clear (or trustworthy) answer.
it's an Asus Zenbook with Windows 10 Home; BIOS is American Megatrends version 300.
No answer about "platform reset" maybe I simply do not remember but - I have installed Linux Mint / Mate (including Trinity) on two Asus Zenbooks without a problem. The last was a Zenbook Flip of a friend.
My Bios tells me: Platform Mode User Secure Boot Disabled Secure Boot Control [Disabled]
On my Laptop I can reboot into original Windows 10. sudo fdisk -l gives me Device Start End Sectors Size Type /dev/sda1 2048 534527 532480 260M EFI System /dev/sda2 534528 567295 32768 16M Microsoft reserved /dev/sda3 567296 117864447 117297152 56G Microsoft basic data /dev/sda4 117864448 485423041 367558594 175.3G Linux filesystem /dev/sda5 499095552 500117503 1021952 499M Windows recovery env. /dev/sda6 485423104 499095551 13672448 6.5G Linux swap
Partition table entries are not in disk order.
On her Laptop I moved the original installed Windows into a VirtualBox image according to https://www.gaulnet.de/physical-to-virtual-p2v-windows-pc-in-virtualbox-kopi...
and https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2206-hyper-v-create-use-vhd-windows-10-d...
formatteded the disk, installed Linux and installed Windows inside VB. All works well. No access to her Laptop at the moment.
Hope that helps Gerhard
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On Wednesday 15 July 2020 07:17:54 pm Felmon Davis wrote:
greets!
I have a new notebook I want to install Debian/Trinity on.
it's an Asus Zenbook with Windows 10 Home; BIOS is American Megatrends version 300.
Hey Felmon,
Since you just bought one, is this company reasonable for notebook prices? *
"Built for Linux. Star Labs offer a range of laptops designed and built specifically for Linux. All of our laptops come with a choice of Ubuntu, elementary OS, Linux Mint, Manjaro, MX Linux or Zorin OS pre-installed ..."
I went desktop several years back, but it'd be nice to have a 'beater' to take to a coffee shop..
Best, Michael
* I have no finacial or other interest in them.
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On Thursday 16 July 2020 13:45:52 Michael wrote:
On Wednesday 15 July 2020 07:17:54 pm Felmon Davis wrote:
greets!
I have a new notebook I want to install Debian/Trinity on.
it's an Asus Zenbook with Windows 10 Home; BIOS is American Megatrends version 300.
Hey Felmon,
Since you just bought one, is this company reasonable for notebook prices?
"Built for Linux. Star Labs offer a range of laptops designed and built specifically for Linux. All of our laptops come with a choice of Ubuntu, elementary OS, Linux Mint, Manjaro, MX Linux or Zorin OS pre-installed ..."
I went desktop several years back, but it'd be nice to have a 'beater' to take to a coffee shop..
Best, Michael
- I have no finacial or other interest in them.
Do they still sell no-OS laptops or desktops? About ten years ago, I bought a no-OS desktop which (if memory serves) was American Megatrends. That sounds really familiar. Anyway, it ran pretty well, was lots cheaper, had what I needed at the time; but it did seem rather less than bleeding-edge.
A friend of mine buys up whole bins of old or discontinued laptops, refurbishes, etc., then resells (so I can get one at cost). He is recommending a Lenovo T530, which is the last of some series or other. He was showing off a few of its features; e.g., you can take out the DVD-drive and replace it with an SSD, etc. And there were lots of other goodies, look up the specs. In his estimation, which I trust over some years of experience, he says this is an especially good machine to trick out for Linux, multi-boot, all the stuff we talk about here.
Also I looked into the Pine-stuff. They have laptops, tablets, smartphones, etc., but don't know much more. (Pinebook, Pinephone, etc.)
It might be that you can find such a deal wherever you live.
Bill
*Note that, like Michael, I have no financial interest here; just passing along what I've heard.
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Michael wrote:
On Wednesday 15 July 2020 07:17:54 pm Felmon Davis wrote:
greets!
I have a new notebook I want to install Debian/Trinity on.
it's an Asus Zenbook with Windows 10 Home; BIOS is American Megatrends version 300.
Hey Felmon,
Since you just bought one, is this company reasonable for notebook prices? *
I bought an Asus Zenbook. not familiar with Starlabs.
I like what I see at their site but I wanted a machine fast which wouldn't be possible where I am.
I'm trying to get into MX but am having troubles with the install. should be good once I overcome them and also get TDE onto it.
I don't know what MX's magic is but I suspect it's the kernel.
f.
"Built for Linux. Star Labs offer a range of laptops designed and built specifically for Linux. All of our laptops come with a choice of Ubuntu, elementary OS, Linux Mint, Manjaro, MX Linux or Zorin OS pre-installed ..."
I went desktop several years back, but it'd be nice to have a 'beater' to take to a coffee shop..
Best, Michael
- I have no finacial or other interest in them.
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On Thursday 16 July 2020 08:01:39 pm Felmon Davis wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Michael wrote:
On Wednesday 15 July 2020 07:17:54 pm Felmon Davis wrote:
greets!
I have a new notebook I want to install Debian/Trinity on.
it's an Asus Zenbook with Windows 10 Home; BIOS is American Megatrends version 300.
Hey Felmon,
Since you just bought one, is this company reasonable for notebook prices? *
I bought an Asus Zenbook. not familiar with Starlabs.
I like what I see at their site but I wanted a machine fast which wouldn't be possible where I am.
I'm trying to get into MX but am having troubles with the install. should be good once I overcome them and also get TDE onto it.
I don't know what MX's magic is but I suspect it's the kernel.
Ask!
https://forum.mxlinux.org/index.php
Also, MX (once it's installed) has a really good Live USB Maker in its 'MX Tools' menu group. It'll do either persistant or non-persistant and suppose to work for any Nix version (but I've only used it for MX).
Michael ::Spelling optional, lack of coffee....
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Anno domini 2020 Fri, 17 Jul 09:44:30 -0500 Michael scripsit:
On Thursday 16 July 2020 08:01:39 pm Felmon Davis wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Michael wrote:
On Wednesday 15 July 2020 07:17:54 pm Felmon Davis wrote:
greets!
I have a new notebook I want to install Debian/Trinity on.
it's an Asus Zenbook with Windows 10 Home; BIOS is American Megatrends version 300.
Hey Felmon,
Since you just bought one, is this company reasonable for notebook prices? *
I bought an Asus Zenbook. not familiar with Starlabs.
I like what I see at their site but I wanted a machine fast which wouldn't be possible where I am.
I'm trying to get into MX but am having troubles with the install. should be good once I overcome them and also get TDE onto it.
I don't know what MX's magic is but I suspect it's the kernel.
Ask!
https://forum.mxlinux.org/index.php
Also, MX (once it's installed) has a really good Live USB Maker in its 'MX Tools' menu group. It'll do either persistant or non-persistant and suppose to work for any Nix version (but I've only used it for MX).
Hm ... just thinking: Can I use it to create MX+linuxcnc+TDE? Maybe for RPi (which I did not find on MX site), too?
Michael ::Spelling optional, lack of coffee....
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On Friday 17 July 2020 12:08:32 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 17 Jul 09:44:30 -0500 Michael scripsit:
https://forum.mxlinux.org/index.php
Also, MX (once it's installed) has a really good Live USB Maker in its 'MX Tools' menu group. It'll do either persistant or non-persistant and suppose to work for any Nix version (but I've only used it for MX).
Hm ... just thinking: Can I use it to create MX+linuxcnc+TDE? Maybe for RPi (which I did not find on MX site), too?
Hi Nik,
Ask that on their forums, they have ~20+ dev's (all but one seems really friendly), as cnc isn't something I have any knowledge of. My guess is there is a way (I’ve seen an MX+TDE install iso somewhere, so *snort* how hard would it be to add linuxcnc? Rofl, I amuse myself with my ignorance ;)
Best, Michael
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On Friday 17 July 2020 12:10:57 Michael wrote:
On Friday 17 July 2020 12:08:32 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 17 Jul 09:44:30 -0500
Michael scripsit:
https://forum.mxlinux.org/index.php
Also, MX (once it's installed) has a really good Live USB Maker in its 'MX Tools' menu group. It'll do either persistant or non-persistant and suppose to work for any Nix version (but I've only used it for MX).
Hm ... just thinking: Can I use it to create MX+linuxcnc+TDE? Maybe for RPi (which I did not find on MX site), too?
Hi Nik,
Ask that on their forums, they have ~20+ dev's (all but one seems really friendly), as cnc isn't something I have any knowledge of. My guess is there is a way (I’ve seen an MX+TDE install iso somewhere, so *snort* how hard would it be to add linuxcnc? Rofl, I amuse myself with my ignorance ;)
Best, Michael
I stumbled on AntiX about a year or so ago. If I remember aright, it is a kind of MX, no systemd, with TDE already installed by default. My memory could be a little faulty, but I do remember I mostly was impressed by it.
Bill
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Friday 17 July 2020 12:10:57 Michael wrote:
On Friday 17 July 2020 12:08:32 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 17 Jul 09:44:30 -0500
Michael scripsit:
https://forum.mxlinux.org/index.php
Also, MX (once it's installed) has a really good Live USB Maker in its 'MX Tools' menu group. It'll do either persistant or non-persistant and suppose to work for any Nix version (but I've only used it for MX).
Hm ... just thinking: Can I use it to create MX+linuxcnc+TDE? Maybe for RPi (which I did not find on MX site), too?
Hi Nik,
Ask that on their forums, they have ~20+ dev's (all but one seems really friendly), as cnc isn't something I have any knowledge of. My guess is there is a way (I’ve seen an MX+TDE install iso somewhere, so *snort* how hard would it be to add linuxcnc? Rofl, I amuse myself with my ignorance ;)
Best, Michael
I stumbled on AntiX about a year or so ago. If I remember aright, it is a kind of MX, no systemd, with TDE already installed by default. My memory could be a little faulty, but I do remember I mostly was impressed by it.
Bill
I also vaguely recall AntiX but no longer recall why I didn't keep it.
meanwhile I got MX up and running and there seems to be absolutely no problem. it has some kind of ugly but efficient xfce gui; I'm looking into installing TDE.
dealing with Windows 10 Home was more of an unpleasant surprise than anticipated. I wondered why I couldn't see it when I booted from MX live - the disk and its partitions were not visible.
it turns out it was in Bitlocker but more pertinent, it was configured as RAID. a little bare-knuckled wrestling got it into a saner configuration.
my intention, should I keep the laptop, is to install Windows 10 Pro in place of Home.
f.
On Friday 17 July 2020 23:37:52 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Friday 17 July 2020 12:10:57 Michael wrote:
On Friday 17 July 2020 12:08:32 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 17 Jul 09:44:30 -0500
Michael scripsit:
https://forum.mxlinux.org/index.php
Also, MX (once it's installed) has a really good Live USB Maker in its 'MX Tools' menu group. It'll do either persistant or non-persistant and suppose to work for any Nix version (but I've only used it for MX).
Hm ... just thinking: Can I use it to create MX+linuxcnc+TDE? Maybe for RPi (which I did not find on MX site), too?
Hi Nik,
Ask that on their forums, they have ~20+ dev's (all but one seems really friendly), as cnc isn't something I have any knowledge of. My guess is there is a way (I’ve seen an MX+TDE install iso somewhere, so *snort* how hard would it be to add linuxcnc? Rofl, I amuse myself with my ignorance ;)
Best, Michael
I stumbled on AntiX about a year or so ago. If I remember aright, it is a kind of MX, no systemd, with TDE already installed by default. My memory could be a little faulty, but I do remember I mostly was impressed by it.
Bill
I also vaguely recall AntiX but no longer recall why I didn't keep it.
I remember why *I* didn't like it: AntiX changed permissions in my home directory without asking; possibly better, but still too big a surprise.
Also it would seem to be aimed at laptop users; and as I mainly work from a Frankenstein desktop, with several internal hard drives, I was unpleasantly surprised that I could not specify custom mount points for my other drives; only the main drive (for home) was recognized. It may be that I could do change this later, but their installation process as I recall depended on a slick GUI, etc., and was more automatic; whereas I have got comfortable with a Debian-style old-school installation process.
It did seem to be lightweight and very fast, compared to other distros. What I couldn't quite recall is whether TDE was installed by default, but it seems to me that it was, at least on the one I tried.
meanwhile I got MX up and running and there seems to be absolutely no problem. it has some kind of ugly but efficient xfce gui; I'm looking into installing TDE.
dealing with Windows 10 Home was more of an unpleasant surprise than anticipated. I wondered why I couldn't see it when I booted from MX live - the disk and its partitions were not visible.
it turns out it was in Bitlocker but more pertinent, it was configured as RAID. a little bare-knuckled wrestling got it into a saner configuration.
my intention, should I keep the laptop, is to install Windows 10 Pro in place of Home.
f.
I hope never to be forced to say those words, ever again: install Windoze. I also made vows to get more exercise, and to eat less junk food.
Bill
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Anno domini 2020 Sat, 18 Jul 01:24:09 -0700 William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
[...]
my intention, should I keep the laptop, is to install Windows 10 Pro in place of Home.
f.
I hope never to be forced to say those words, ever again: install Windoze. I also made vows to get more exercise, and to eat less junk food.
If you do not run any games, why stay with windoof? There was just a quite emotional thread on the freebsd mailinglist about win10 killing all OS on the disk - happened with the latest update to 2004 (?) IMO. That thing changed the partitioning scheme and introduced a 500MB partition for the m$ bootloader, killing everything in its way.
Anyway, my prefered way is to do a 1:1 copy of the origila hd - or rip the disk and put is on the shelf. Then go Linux/BSD only and run M$ from qemu/virtualbox.
Nik
Bill
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On Saturday 18 July 2020 01:38:36 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sat, 18 Jul 01:24:09 -0700
William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
[...]
my intention, should I keep the laptop, is to install Windows 10 Pro in place of Home.
f.
I hope never to be forced to say those words, ever again: install Windoze. I also made vows to get more exercise, and to eat less junk food.
If you do not run any games, why stay with windoof? There was just a quite emotional thread on the freebsd mailinglist about win10 killing all OS on the disk - happened with the latest update to 2004 (?) IMO. That thing changed the partitioning scheme and introduced a 500MB partition for the m$ bootloader, killing everything in its way.
Anyway, my prefered way is to do a 1:1 copy of the origila hd - or rip the disk and put is on the shelf. Then go Linux/BSD only and run M$ from qemu/virtualbox.
Nik
I also hope never to say the words "run Windoze" ever again.
;-)
However, I can see where it is sometimes useful to be able to run it for some limited purposes, and confining its evils to a virtual box would probably be my choice, as well, if somebody is pointing a gun at my head, or I find myself caught in some such predicament.
Note that I never started out to be a Linux crusader, nor did I think much about the implications of "proprietary" software. It was only when I couldn't get my machines to do what I wanted (things that they used to do without complaint); then I started doing some research, which eventually led me to Linux, then GNU/Linux free/libre, Richard Stallman, et al. The same with systemd versus init: systemd messed up my system, that's why I didn't like it. Later came the philosophy and politics of computers and software, and all that other stuff.
Bill
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
I also hope never to say the words "run Windoze" ever again.
;-)
However, I can see where it is sometimes useful to be able to run it for some limited purposes, and confining its evils to a virtual box would probably be my choice, as well, if somebody is pointing a gun at my head, or I find myself caught in some such predicament.
I have a set-up here where I play internet tv on the laptop and feed it to a tv for us to watch.
I have trouble getting RandR to behave and if I'm not careful, I end up with a discolored and wrong-sized screen on the laptop. Windows does a satisfactory job without hassle.
in the past the university was sure to work with Windows but less so with Linux though I noticed in the last yrs I was there sometimes Linux was better on their presentation machines and such.
Note that I never started out to be a Linux crusader, nor did I think much about the implications of "proprietary" software. It was only when I couldn't get my machines to do what I wanted (things that they used to do without complaint); then I started doing some research, which eventually led me to Linux, then GNU/Linux free/libre, Richard Stallman, et al. The same with systemd versus init: systemd messed up my system, that's why I didn't like it. Later came the philosophy and politics of computers and software, and all that other stuff.
my history is a bit a mix of yours and other motives. I started out with MSDOS, then a non-MS variant of DOS (4DOS?), then Desqview, then OS/2, then RedHat. I wanted to avoid MS entanglement. (never even contemplated Apple.) MS felt too intrusive and the aesthetics was distasteful. not that IBM is so great but OS/2 had a bit more a sense you are not wards of the corporation, you had a somewhat freer hand or so it felt to me then.
but yes, I liked the 'free/libre' motif also and privacy concerns. I shifted from OS/2 because of some installation issues and out of curiosity about Linux.
fjd
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:32:26 +0200 (CEST) Felmon Davis moelmoel2714@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
Note that I never started out to be a Linux crusader, nor did I think much about the implications of "proprietary" software. It was only when I couldn't get my machines to do what I wanted (things that they used to do without complaint); then I started doing some research, which eventually led me to Linux, then GNU/Linux free/libre, Richard Stallman, et al. The same with systemd versus init: systemd messed up my system, that's why I didn't like it. Later came the philosophy and politics of computers and software, and all that other stuff.
my history is a bit a mix of yours and other motives. I started out with MSDOS, then a non-MS variant of DOS (4DOS?), then Desqview, then OS/2, then RedHat. I wanted to avoid MS entanglement. (never even contemplated Apple.) MS felt too intrusive and the aesthetics was distasteful. not that IBM is so great but OS/2 had a bit more a sense you are not wards of the corporation, you had a somewhat freer hand or so it felt to me then.
The punchline there is that OS/2 was written by Microsoft (under contract from IBM).
Personally, I would be just as happy never to have to deal with Windows again, but I'm forced to use a Windows 10 machine at work because one of my occasional duties there is fixing old Excel macros (and washing my hands thoroughly afterwards, because Visual Basic for Applications is a disgusting excuse for a programming language).
E. Liddell
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On Saturday 18 July 2020 18.09:28 E. Liddell wrote:
The punchline there is that OS/2 was written by Microsoft (under contract from IBM).
But Warp and the Workplace shell were not from Microsoft. KDE 1-2-3 looked to me like they had taken many ideas from OS/2 (and so did I find many features of kicker that reminded of the Warp (ex-smart) center.
WPS did have some features (like the "shadows") that no one has recreated anywhere.
I did try eComStation but it did not evolve with time.
Thierry
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Thierry de Coulon composed on 2020-07-18 18:21 (UTC+0200):
E. Liddell wrote:
The punchline there is that OS/2 was written by Microsoft (under contract from IBM).
But Warp and the Workplace shell were not from Microsoft. KDE 1-2-3 looked to me like they had taken many ideas from OS/2 (and so did I find many features of kicker that reminded of the Warp (ex-smart) center.
WPS did have some features (like the "shadows") that no one has recreated anywhere.
I did try eComStation but it did not evolve with time.
That's a matter of opinion: https://www.arcanoae.com/
eCS I still have running 24/7 for my DOS apps. Unless something has changed that I don't know about, DOS on Linux is incompetent for my needs.
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
Thierry de Coulon composed on 2020-07-18 18:21 (UTC+0200):
E. Liddell wrote:
I did try eComStation but it did not evolve with time.
That's a matter of opinion: https://www.arcanoae.com/
that's quite interesting! I had lost contact; very nice to see what's happening!
f.
eCS I still have running 24/7 for my DOS apps. Unless something has changed that I don't know about, DOS on Linux is incompetent for my needs.
On Saturday 18 July 2020 18.30:17 Felix Miata wrote:
That's a matter of opinion: https://www.arcanoae.com/
Hmm, interresting. I had given up on eComStation (too much trouble setting up), but ArcaOS could tempt me. I don't have so much DOS running around but I agree that OS/2 was "a better DOS than DOS".
Thanks for the link.
Thierry
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sat, 18 Jul 01:24:09 -0700 William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
[...]
my intention, should I keep the laptop, is to install Windows 10 Pro in place of Home.
f.
I hope never to be forced to say those words, ever again: install Windoze. I also made vows to get more exercise, and to eat less junk food.
If you do not run any games, why stay with windoof? There was just a quite emotional thread on the freebsd mailinglist about win10 killing all OS on the disk - happened with the latest update to 2004 (?) IMO. That thing changed the partitioning scheme and introduced a 500MB partition for the m$ bootloader, killing everything in its way.
Anyway, my prefered way is to do a 1:1 copy of the origila hd - or rip the disk and put is on the shelf. Then go Linux/BSD only and run M$ from qemu/virtualbox.
I wanted to 'rip' the disk or even take it out and replace it with one of mine (my usual style) but I had trouble getting the software to work and it's a pain in the ass screwing (literally) around. if I return it I'll depend on the Windows re-set utility.
a little uneasy since I don't know how strict the seller is about returns (Saturn). done it before, was ok....
f.
Anno domini 11:08:26 Sat, 18 Jul 2020 +0200 (CEST) Felmon Davis scripsit:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sat, 18 Jul 01:24:09 -0700 William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
[...]
my intention, should I keep the laptop, is to install Windows 10 Pro in place of Home.
f.
I hope never to be forced to say those words, ever again: install Windoze. I also made vows to get more exercise, and to eat less junk food.
If you do not run any games, why stay with windoof? There was just a quite emotional thread on the freebsd mailinglist about win10 killing all OS on the disk - happened with the latest update to 2004 (?) IMO. That thing changed the partitioning scheme and introduced a 500MB partition for the m$ bootloader, killing everything in its way.
Anyway, my prefered way is to do a 1:1 copy of the origila hd - or rip the disk and put is on the shelf. Then go Linux/BSD only and run M$ from qemu/virtualbox.
I wanted to 'rip' the disk or even take it out and replace it with one of mine (my usual style) but I had trouble getting the software to work and it's a pain in the ass screwing (literally) around. if I return it I'll depend on the Windows re-set utility.
a little uneasy since I don't know how strict the seller is about returns (Saturn). done it before, was ok....
If you bought it online: just return within the 14 day span from delivery, software does not matter at all, but the don't screw around :)
f.
On Saturday 18 July 2020 04:08:26 am Felmon Davis wrote:
I wanted to 'rip' the disk or even take it out and replace it with one of mine (my usual style) but I had trouble getting the software to work and it's a pain in the ass screwing (literally) around. if I return it I'll depend on the Windows re-set utility.
a little uneasy since I don't know how strict the seller is about returns (Saturn). done it before, was ok....
Use dd to create an entire copy of the disk first. Then you can just paste it back over any changes and turn it back in.
Search foo for a better example, but in general (don’t copy/paste!):
- Boot off a USB stick - Mount external HD with enough space for copy - root command prompt
root@local [~]# fdisk -l Disk /dev/nvme0n1: {snip} Device Start End Sectors Size Type /dev/nvme0n1p1 34 524287 524254 256M EFI System /dev/nvme0n1p2 524288 1572863 1048576 512M Linux filesystem {snip} Disk /dev/sda: {snip}
dd if=/dev/nvme0n1 of=/SAVEDIR/win-orig-disk.iso -or- dd if=/dev/sda of=/SAVEDIR/win-orig-disk.iso
You want the whole drive not an individual partition.
Not sure if this'll help or not: http://inet-design.com/blogs/michael/howto-checkpoint-backup-kvm-vps-solusvm...
Anyway, search fu will get you full working examples.
Best, Michael
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2020, Michael wrote:
On Saturday 18 July 2020 04:08:26 am Felmon Davis wrote:
I wanted to 'rip' the disk or even take it out and replace it with one of mine (my usual style) but I had trouble getting the software to work and it's a pain in the ass screwing (literally) around. if I return it I'll depend on the Windows re-set utility.
a little uneasy since I don't know how strict the seller is about returns (Saturn). done it before, was ok....
Use dd to create an entire copy of the disk first. Then you can just paste it back over any changes and turn it back in.
Search foo for a better example, but in general (don’t copy/paste!):
- Boot off a USB stick
- Mount external HD with enough space for copy
- root command prompt
root@local [~]# fdisk -l Disk /dev/nvme0n1: {snip} Device Start End Sectors Size Type /dev/nvme0n1p1 34 524287 524254 256M EFI System /dev/nvme0n1p2 524288 1572863 1048576 512M Linux filesystem {snip} Disk /dev/sda: {snip}
dd if=/dev/nvme0n1 of=/SAVEDIR/win-orig-disk.iso -or- dd if=/dev/sda of=/SAVEDIR/win-orig-disk.iso
You want the whole drive not an individual partition.
Not sure if this'll help or not: http://inet-design.com/blogs/michael/howto-checkpoint-backup-kvm-vps-solusvm...
Anyway, search fu will get you full working examples.
didn't occur to me to do the 'dd' thing. well, at first that was because I didn't see the drive at all. this is a neat solution.
f.
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