Anno domini 2020 Wed, 15 Jul 21:35:31 -0700 William Morder via trinity-users scripsit: You should be able to boot the installer with secureboot enabled. If not, you'll have to disable it and m aybe "repair" windows. Might be that it'll delete the contents of the efi boot partition, might be it does not. Anyway, who needs windows? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Thursday 16 July 2020 13:45:52 Michael wrote: Do they still sell no-OS laptops or desktops? About ten years ago, I bought a no-OS desktop which (if memory serves) was American Megatrends. That sounds really familiar. Anyway, it ran pretty well, was lots cheaper, had what I needed at the time; but it did seem rather less than bleeding-edge. A friend of mine buys up whole bins of old or discontinued laptops, refurbishes, etc., then resells (so I can get one at cost). He is recommending a Lenovo T530, which is the last of some series or other. He was showing off a few of its features; e.g., you can take out the DVD-drive and replace it with an SSD, etc. And there were lots of other goodies, look up the specs. In his estimation, which I trust over some years of experience, he says this is an especially good machine to trick out for Linux, multi-boot, all the stuff we talk about here. Also I looked into the Pine-stuff. They have laptops, tablets, smartphones, etc., but don't know much more. (Pinebook, Pinephone, etc.) It might be that you can find such a deal wherever you live. Bill *Note that, like Michael, I have no financial interest here; just passing along what I've heard. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Thursday 16 July 2020 08:01:39 pm Felmon Davis wrote: Ask! https://forum.mxlinux.org/index.php Also, MX (once it's installed) has a really good Live USB Maker in its 'MX Tools' menu group. It'll do either persistant or non-persistant and suppose to work for any Nix version (but I've only used it for MX). Michael ::Spelling optional, lack of coffee.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Friday 17 July 2020 12:08:32 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: Hi Nik, Ask that on their forums, they have ~20+ dev's (all but one seems really friendly), as cnc isn't something I have any knowledge of. My guess is there is a way (I’ve seen an MX+TDE install iso somewhere, so *snort* how hard would it be to add linuxcnc? Rofl, I amuse myself with my ignorance ;) Best, Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote: I also vaguely recall AntiX but no longer recall why I didn't keep it. meanwhile I got MX up and running and there seems to be absolutely no problem. it has some kind of ugly but efficient xfce gui; I'm looking into installing TDE. dealing with Windows 10 Home was more of an unpleasant surprise than anticipated. I wondered why I couldn't see it when I booted from MX live - the disk and its partitions were not visible. it turns out it was in Bitlocker but more pertinent, it was configured as RAID. a little bare-knuckled wrestling got it into a saner configuration. my intention, should I keep the laptop, is to install Windows 10 Pro in place of Home. f. -- Felmon Davis Verbum sat sapienti. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Anno domini 2020 Sat, 18 Jul 01:24:09 -0700 William Morder via trinity-users scripsit: If you do not run any games, why stay with windoof? There was just a quite emotional thread on the freebsd mailinglist about win10 killing all OS on the disk - happened with the latest update to 2004 (?) IMO. That thing changed the partitioning scheme and introduced a 500MB partition for the m$ bootloader, killing everything in its way. Anyway, my prefered way is to do a 1:1 copy of the origila hd - or rip the disk and put is on the shelf. Then go Linux/BSD only and run M$ from qemu/virtualbox. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote: I have a set-up here where I play internet tv on the laptop and feed it to a tv for us to watch. I have trouble getting RandR to behave and if I'm not careful, I end up with a discolored and wrong-sized screen on the laptop. Windows does a satisfactory job without hassle. in the past the university was sure to work with Windows but less so with Linux though I noticed in the last yrs I was there sometimes Linux was better on their presentation machines and such. my history is a bit a mix of yours and other motives. I started out with MSDOS, then a non-MS variant of DOS (4DOS?), then Desqview, then OS/2, then RedHat. I wanted to avoid MS entanglement. (never even contemplated Apple.) MS felt too intrusive and the aesthetics was distasteful. not that IBM is so great but OS/2 had a bit more a sense you are not wards of the corporation, you had a somewhat freer hand or so it felt to me then. but yes, I liked the 'free/libre' motif also and privacy concerns. I shifted from OS/2 because of some installation issues and out of curiosity about Linux. fjd -- Felmon Davis Verbum sat sapienti. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Saturday 18 July 2020 18.09:28 E. Liddell wrote: But Warp and the Workplace shell were not from Microsoft. KDE 1-2-3 looked to me like they had taken many ideas from OS/2 (and so did I find many features of kicker that reminded of the Warp (ex-smart) center. WPS did have some features (like the "shadows") that no one has recreated anywhere. I did try eComStation but it did not evolve with time. Thierry --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020, Felix Miata wrote: that's quite interesting! I had lost contact; very nice to see what's happening! f. -- Felmon Davis Verbum sat sapienti. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: I wanted to 'rip' the disk or even take it out and replace it with one of mine (my usual style) but I had trouble getting the software to work and it's a pain in the ass screwing (literally) around. if I return it I'll depend on the Windows re-set utility. a little uneasy since I don't know how strict the seller is about returns (Saturn). done it before, was ok.... f. -- Felmon Davis Verbum sat sapienti. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Saturday 18 July 2020 04:08:26 am Felmon Davis wrote: Use dd to create an entire copy of the disk first. Then you can just paste it back over any changes and turn it back in. Search foo for a better example, but in general (don’t copy/paste!): - Boot off a USB stick - Mount external HD with enough space for copy - root command prompt root@local [~]# fdisk -l Disk /dev/nvme0n1: {snip} Device Start End Sectors Size Type /dev/nvme0n1p1 34 524287 524254 256M EFI System /dev/nvme0n1p2 524288 1572863 1048576 512M Linux filesystem {snip} Disk /dev/sda: {snip} dd if=/dev/nvme0n1 of=/SAVEDIR/win-orig-disk.iso -or- dd if=/dev/sda of=/SAVEDIR/win-orig-disk.iso You want the whole drive not an individual partition. Not sure if this'll help or not: http://inet-design.com/blogs/michael/howto-checkpoint-backup-kvm-vps-solusv… Anyway, search fu will get you full working examples. Best, Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting