Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly, the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and, infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please feel free to ask).
Next...
As I said I'm rebuilding me 20 year old machine.
Here's a basics parts list.
Asus Prime x299-a 2 (great bloody board) 32G Corsair RAM (32K I think) Intel Core i9-10980XE Cascade Lake 3.0 GHz LGA 2066
The computer has 7 hard drives, 1 BR optical drive (the board has 8 sata ports). 1 Seagate (sg) 500g ssd root / boot drive (sda) 1 sg 2tb ssd home (sdb) 5 (ssd & spin drives) are work drives and archives for redudant backups. Then there are 2 hotswap bays with can hold 2 drives a piece on an addon pci-e sata controller.
The board uses uefi. So, I'd like some advice on the sda drive setup.
Here's what I was going for essentially.
Swap = 32G (I know it seems like overkill but lots of 4k video work so it helps plus need to hibernate).
ESP partition of vfat32 / XX mbs. There's the first question, how big should it be? Test install is using 32mb. No other OSes will be installed.
The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g sda2 = esp - xx size sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
sb1 /home (in case anyone needs to know).
All input is welcomed.
As always, thank you again collective,
Kate
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 11:40:32 -0500 BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
[...] The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g sda2 = esp - xx size sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's out of the way.
Nik
sb1 /home (in case anyone needs to know).
All input is welcomed.
As always, thank you again collective,
Kate
On Monday 23 November 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 11:40:32 -0500
BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
[...] The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g sda2 = esp - xx size sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's out of the way.
Nik
sb1 /home (in case anyone needs to know).
All input is welcomed.
As always, thank you again collective,
Kate
Hi Nik
I was wondering the merits of doing the same thing. Thanks for your input. It's greatly appreciated.
Kate
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 17:50:03 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" office@klepp.biz wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 11:40:32 -0500 BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
[...] The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g sda2 = esp - xx size sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's out of the way.
Most guides do seem to recommend putting it first, and given just how horrible and specification-noncompliant EFI firmware often is, there's a nonzero chance that the system will fail to boot or otherwise be confused if you put it elsewhere.
E. Liddell
On Monday 23 November 2020, E. Liddell wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 17:50:03 +0100
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" office@klepp.biz wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 11:40:32 -0500
BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
[...] The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g sda2 = esp - xx size sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's out of the way.
Most guides do seem to recommend putting it first, and given just how horrible and specification-noncompliant EFI firmware often is, there's a nonzero chance that the system will fail to boot or otherwise be confused if you put it elsewhere.
E. Liddell ____________________________________________________
"and given just how horrible and specification-noncompliant EFI firmware often is"
Liddell you can be a poet of understatement at times lol. I will be putting the esp part first.
The test drive booted with no problems using sda1 swap 32g sda2 esp 32MBs sda3 / about 400GBs
Changes sda1 esp 105MBs sda2 swap 32 ZBs (just kidding) sda3 / about 400GBs
Kate
So basically I want to rebuild your whole system :( Based on current day technology (e.g. bottle necks) my opinion is you start building by picking out the fastest boot/root drive, then build from there:
The usual suspects for new system building: https://pcpartpicker.com/ https://www.cpubenchmark.net/ https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/
1 Seagate (sg) 500g ssd root / boot drive (sda)
If you have to change out the motherboard, you want an NVMe root / boot drive. Go with:
Drives: https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/high_end_drives.html
$230 Samsung SSD 980 PRO 1TB Average Drive Rating: 32629 https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=Samsung%20SSD%20980%20PRO%201...
Literally build the rest of the system around that. There is literally no better drive than this at the moment.
CPU: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
$1,000 Intel Core i9-10980XE @ 3.00GHz Average CPU Mark: 34274 Single Thread Rating: 2643 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i9-10980XE+%40+3.00GHz&a...
That’s a POS! Okay, not really, but here are better bangs for the buck:
$1,350 AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X Average CPU Mark: 55373 Single Thread Rating: 2703 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+3960X&id...
$550 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Average CPU Mark: 39700 Single Thread Rating: 3537 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+9+5900X&id=3870
If your stuff is mostly single threaded (one CPU core) then the 5900X is possibly your best buy. You’ll have to dig to find the absolute best single thread rating.
RAM:
General options: Max it out for your motherboard now, or throw away what you buy now and max it out later.
RAM isn’t a bottle neck, so I personally max the system out for the cheapest money now, then never look at it again.
32G Corsair RAM (32K I think) Swap = 32G (I know it seems like overkill but lots of 4k video work so it helps plus need to hibernate).
- Many, many opinions on this, my rule of thumb for hibernate is: RAM + 4G = swap. - In a high RAM system swap is almost never used, so, counter intuitively, stick swap on your slowest drive.
The board uses uefi. So, I'd like some advice on the sda drive setup.
Easiest way is to do a completely clean OS install, that way the install makes all those decisions and is about guaranteed to ‘just work.’ E.g. remove all drives but the install drive (and /home drive if your OS gives you a ‘preserve home’ option during the install, and a slow drive for swap as desired), do the install, and then add back all the other drives.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's out of the way. Nik
What Nik said. Uefi (and such) seem to work better on the first drive/partition.
Maybe related, “the key advice is GRUB should be installed to the Disk, not to a partition.” https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=60377
HTH, probably more than you wanted ;)!
Best, Michael
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 17:57, Michael via tde-usersusers@trinitydesktop.org wrote: So basically I want to rebuild your whole system :( Based on current day technology (e.g. bottle necks) my opinion is you start building by picking out the fastest boot/root drive, then build from there:
The usual suspects for new system building: https://pcpartpicker.com/ https://www.cpubenchmark.net/ https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/
1 Seagate (sg) 500g ssd root / boot drive (sda)
If you have to change out the motherboard, you want an NVMe root / boot drive. Go with:
Drives: https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/high_end_drives.html
$230 Samsung SSD 980 PRO 1TB Average Drive Rating: 32629 https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=Samsung%20SSD%20980%20PRO%201...
Literally build the rest of the system around that. There is literally no better drive than this at the moment.
CPU: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
$1,000 Intel Core i9-10980XE @ 3.00GHz Average CPU Mark: 34274 Single Thread Rating: 2643 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i9-10980XE+%40+3.00GHz&a...
That’s a POS! Okay, not really, but here are better bangs for the buck:
$1,350 AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X Average CPU Mark: 55373 Single Thread Rating: 2703 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+3960X&id...
$550 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Average CPU Mark: 39700 Single Thread Rating: 3537 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+9+5900X&id=3870
If your stuff is mostly single threaded (one CPU core) then the 5900X is possibly your best buy. You’ll have to dig to find the absolute best single thread rating.
RAM:
General options: Max it out for your motherboard now, or throw away what you buy now and max it out later.
RAM isn’t a bottle neck, so I personally max the system out for the cheapest money now, then never look at it again.
32G Corsair RAM (32K I think) Swap = 32G (I know it seems like overkill but lots of 4k video work so it helps plus need to hibernate).
- Many, many opinions on this, my rule of thumb for hibernate is: RAM + 4G = swap. - In a high RAM system swap is almost never used, so, counter intuitively, stick swap on your slowest drive.
The board uses uefi. So, I'd like some advice on the sda drive setup.
Easiest way is to do a completely clean OS install, that way the install makes all those decisions and is about guaranteed to ‘just work.’ E.g. remove all drives but the install drive (and /home drive if your OS gives you a ‘preserve home’ option during the install, and a slow drive for swap as desired), do the install, and then add back all the other drives.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's out of the way. Nik
What Nik said. Uefi (and such) seem to work better on the first drive/partition.
Maybe related, “the key advice is GRUB should be installed to the Disk, not to a partition.” https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=60377
HTH, probably more than you wanted ;)!
Best, Michael ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users@trinitydesktop.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@trinitydesktop.org Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskto... Being as you are installing the OS itself to a SSD it doesn't matter what partitions are where :)
On Monday 23 of November 2020 17:40:32 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly, the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and, infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please feel free to ask).
Next...
As I said I'm rebuilding me 20 year old machine.
Here's a basics parts list.
Asus Prime x299-a 2 (great bloody board) 32G Corsair RAM (32K I think) Intel Core i9-10980XE Cascade Lake 3.0 GHz LGA 2066
The computer has 7 hard drives, 1 BR optical drive (the board has 8 sata ports). 1 Seagate (sg) 500g ssd root / boot drive (sda) 1 sg 2tb ssd home (sdb) 5 (ssd & spin drives) are work drives and archives for redudant backups. Then there are 2 hotswap bays with can hold 2 drives a piece on an addon pci-e sata controller.
The board uses uefi. So, I'd like some advice on the sda drive setup.
Here's what I was going for essentially.
Swap = 32G (I know it seems like overkill but lots of 4k video work so it helps plus need to hibernate).
ESP partition of vfat32 / XX mbs. There's the first question, how big should it be? Test install is using 32mb. No other OSes will be installed.
The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g sda2 = esp - xx size sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
sb1 /home (in case anyone needs to know).
All input is welcomed.
As always, thank you again collective,
Kate
I'm used to using a concept that gives me a lot of variability:
Now I usually use GPT.
The first partition is either ESP or BIOS boot (depending on the capabilities of the machine) - I give 100MiB, even though it is an oversized size for both cases.
The second partition for RAID1 intended for the system as such - depending on the purpose, either 10 GIB (servers) or 20 GiB (for a desktop machine), or how much you need for your system.
And the rest of the disk as the third partition for LVM. Subsequently, I create all other partitions as LV in LVM - swap, var, tmp, home, backups, videos, disks for virtual machines... as needed.
Thanks to LVM there is a huge amount of freedom. There is no need to deal with the sequence and continuity of partitions on a disks. It is possible to select different types of raid for each LV. It is possible to increase the LV capacity completely without outages. It is possible to migrate LV between physical disks without outages... Very comfortable.
Cheers
Ok, let's simplify this.
Current order and partition sizes:
sda1 = swap - 32g (there are reasons for a large swap file but if a logical argument can be made, I'm listening.
sda2 = esp - xx size? Slavek suggested 100MB, sounds good.
sda3 = / - remaining space
Suggested by Nik/Slavek:
sda1 = esp - xx size? Slavek suggested 100MB, sounds good (Slavek what's the reasoning behind this btw).
sda2 = swap - 32g (there are reasons for a large swap file but if a logical argument can be made, I'm listening.)
sda3 = / - remaining space
Thoughts on this?
Thanks again,
Kate
On Monday 23 of November 2020 21:54:33 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
sda1 = esp - xx size? Slavek suggested 100MB, sounds good (Slavek what's the reasoning behind this btw).
As I mentioned, this size is definitely bigger than the real need. If I remember correctly, I chose 100MiB due to a problem with some older bios. At the same time, it seemed to me to be a reasonable size in case it would be useful to place some data on this partitions - for example, some complex efi bootloader.
Interesting fact: In the case of a disk with 4k sectors, the minimum size for a FAT32 partition is 256 MiB.
Cheers
On Wednesday 25 November 2020, Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 23 of November 2020 21:54:33 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
sda1 = esp - xx size? Slavek suggested 100MB, sounds good (Slavek what's the reasoning behind this btw).
As I mentioned, this size is definitely bigger than the real need. If I remember correctly, I chose 100MiB due to a problem with some older bios. At the same time, it seemed to me to be a reasonable size in case it would be useful to place some data on this partitions - for example, some complex efi bootloader.
Interesting fact: In the case of a disk with 4k sectors, the minimum size for a FAT32 partition is 256 MiB.
Cheers
Useful info. Add it to me dbase.
I've formatted the boot drive as you and Nik and someone else (can't remember) suggested. So far so good. Insanely fast. Enjoying my new "toy" at the moment. Sadly, it will soon be a work tool. Oh well.
Thanks to all for everyone's help in helping me decide what direction to go in.
Kate
On Monday 23 November 2020, Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 23 of November 2020 17:40:32 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly, the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and, infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please feel free to ask).
Next...
As I said I'm rebuilding me 20 year old machine.
Here's a basics parts list.
Asus Prime x299-a 2 (great bloody board) 32G Corsair RAM (32K I think) Intel Core i9-10980XE Cascade Lake 3.0 GHz LGA 2066
The computer has 7 hard drives, 1 BR optical drive (the board has 8 sata ports). 1 Seagate (sg) 500g ssd root / boot drive (sda) 1 sg 2tb ssd home (sdb) 5 (ssd & spin drives) are work drives and archives for redudant backups. Then there are 2 hotswap bays with can hold 2 drives a piece on an addon pci-e sata controller.
The board uses uefi. So, I'd like some advice on the sda drive setup.
Here's what I was going for essentially.
Swap = 32G (I know it seems like overkill but lots of 4k video work so it helps plus need to hibernate).
ESP partition of vfat32 / XX mbs. There's the first question, how big should it be? Test install is using 32mb. No other OSes will be installed.
The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g sda2 = esp - xx size sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
sb1 /home (in case anyone needs to know).
All input is welcomed.
As always, thank you again collective,
Kate
I'm used to using a concept that gives me a lot of variability:
Now I usually use GPT.
The first partition is either ESP or BIOS boot (depending on the capabilities of the machine) - I give 100MiB, even though it is an oversized size for both cases.
The second partition for RAID1 intended for the system as such - depending on the purpose, either 10 GIB (servers) or 20 GiB (for a desktop machine), or how much you need for your system.
And the rest of the disk as the third partition for LVM. Subsequently, I create all other partitions as LV in LVM - swap, var, tmp, home, backups, videos, disks for virtual machines... as needed.
Thanks to LVM there is a huge amount of freedom. There is no need to deal with the sequence and continuity of partitions on a disks. It is possible to select different types of raid for each LV. It is possible to increase the LV capacity completely without outages. It is possible to migrate LV between physical disks without outages... Very comfortable.
Cheers
I forgot to say thank you Slavek & Nik and all for sharing.
As for the gear however, I had me reasons for choosing what I did. I know my needs. All I wanted was thoughts on partition arrangement and sizes for the boot drive.
For now I'll use Nik and Slaveks suggestions but I can always reinstall if something comes up. It litterally only takes 3 mins. I keep all the rpms locally so no need to redownload anything (expect for newer packages if there are any).
Kate
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 16:10:29 -0500 BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
[...]
For now I'll use Nik and Slaveks suggestions but I can always reinstall if something comes up. It litterally only takes 3 mins. I keep all the rpms locally so no need to redownload anything (expect for newer packages if there are any).
Installing the base system takes minute, getting the "rest" right takes years :)
Nik
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On Monday 23 November 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 16:10:29 -0500
BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
[...]
For now I'll use Nik and Slaveks suggestions but I can always reinstall if something comes up. It litterally only takes 3 mins. I keep all the rpms locally so no need to redownload anything (expect for newer packages if there are any).
Installing the base system takes minute, getting the "rest" right takes years :)
Nik
Kate ____________________________________________________
Don't jinx me!
Kate
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On Monday 23 November 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp was heard to say:
Installing the base system takes minute, getting the "rest" right takes years :)
My ".kde" directory was imported into ".trinity", so I can honestly say if I had to do it all over again I wouldn't even know where to start.
The "look and feel" is much the same since KDE2, so I know where everyting is. No surprises.
When did I get so stodgy?
Curt-
- -- You may my glories and my state dispose, But not my griefs; still am I king of those. --- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
On Monday 23 November 2020, Curt Howland via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp was heard to say:
Installing the base system takes minute, getting the "rest" right takes years :)
My ".kde" directory was imported into ".trinity", so I can honestly say if I had to do it all over again I wouldn't even know where to start.
The "look and feel" is much the same since KDE2, so I know where everyting is. No surprises.
When did I get so stodgy?
Curt-
LOL. Well old Mr Curt,
I move certain things like Konqueror ksidebar, kooldock, and other important things and related config files, to a "system" dir, in "/foo/system/trinity" then symlink them to where they are meant to be. I moved kmail to my user files dir (a new dir I created to contain the commonly found documents, pictures, video etc within the root of the user. I then symlink kmail and all it's configs. I use the path settings in kcontrol for everything else. Firefox and gkrellm go into /foo/system/gapps.
Dirty, controversial, immoral, perhaps, but I never lose anything. Even if starting from a clean user.
Kate the scandalous.
PS sorry to throw you under the bus there... ok not really.
On Monday 23 November 2020 03:10:29 pm BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
I forgot to say thank you Slavek & Nik and all for sharing.
As for the gear however, I had me reasons for choosing what I did. I know my needs. All I wanted was thoughts on partition arrangement and sizes for the boot drive.
For now I'll use Nik and Slaveks suggestions but I can always reinstall if something comes up. It litterally only takes 3 mins. I keep all the rpms locally so no need to redownload anything (expect for newer packages if there are any).
Here’s the partition scheme MX Linux installer makes:
/boot/efi /dev/nvme0n1p1 256M EFI System /boot /dev/nvme0n1p2 512M Linux root (x86) / /dev/nvme0n1p3 50G Linux root (x86) swap /dev/nvme0n1p4 2G Linux root (x86) /home /dev/nvme0n1p5 878.8G Linux root (x86)
On Monday 23 November 2020, Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2020 03:10:29 pm BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
I forgot to say thank you Slavek & Nik and all for sharing.
As for the gear however, I had me reasons for choosing what I did. I know my needs. All I wanted was thoughts on partition arrangement and sizes for the boot drive.
For now I'll use Nik and Slaveks suggestions but I can always reinstall if something comes up. It litterally only takes 3 mins. I keep all the rpms locally so no need to redownload anything (expect for newer packages if there are any).
Here’s the partition scheme MX Linux installer makes:
/boot/efi /dev/nvme0n1p1 256M EFI System /boot /dev/nvme0n1p2 512M Linux root (x86) / /dev/nvme0n1p3 50G Linux root (x86) swap /dev/nvme0n1p4 2G Linux root (x86) /home /dev/nvme0n1p5 878.8G Linux root (x86) ____________________________________________________
Thanks Michael this is helpful. Going to hang on this.
Kate
On 11/23/20 11:40 AM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly, the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and, infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please feel free to ask).
This is good to know. I had been looking at my Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 (legacy PCI) sound card, which I believe has a year in the early 2000's shown on its printed circuit board and have been contemplating installing it in the other desktop, just to see if it still works and if the audio is better than what's provided from the on-board (NVIDIA).
On Monday 23 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/23/20 11:40 AM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly, the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and, infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please feel free to ask).
This is good to know. I had been looking at my Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 (legacy PCI) sound card, which I believe has a year in the early 2000's shown on its printed circuit board and have been contemplating installing it in the other desktop, just to see if it still works and if the audio is better than what's provided from the on-board (NVIDIA).
I have tons of those and they all work perfectly. In fact, this machine has one Live! 5.1 and it's working grand.
Go for it.
Kate
On 11/23/20 3:41 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/23/20 11:40 AM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly, the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and, infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please feel free to ask).
This is good to know. I had been looking at my Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 (legacy PCI) sound card, which I believe has a year in the early 2000's shown on its printed circuit board and have been contemplating installing it in the other desktop, just to see if it still works and if the audio is better than what's provided from the on-board (NVIDIA).
I have tons of those and they all work perfectly. In fact, this machine has one Live! 5.1 and it's working grand.
Go for it.
Kate
I have not yet put the card in, but had a thought... The sound cards from that era, have a jack where an audio cable connected it to the CD/DVD drive. Where the card would override the on-board audio once installed, would that audio cable still be necessary today, or would today's motherboards know to route the audio from the CD/DVD through the motherboard, directly to the sound card? I haven't actually looked at the back of the DVD drive to see if it even has that connection on it. That system is from 2009.
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/23/20 3:41 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/23/20 11:40 AM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly, the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and, infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please feel free to ask).
This is good to know. I had been looking at my Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 (legacy PCI) sound card, which I believe has a year in the early 2000's shown on its printed circuit board and have been contemplating installing it in the other desktop, just to see if it still works and if the audio is better than what's provided from the on-board (NVIDIA).
I have tons of those and they all work perfectly. In fact, this machine has one Live! 5.1 and it's working grand.
Go for it.
Kate
I have not yet put the card in, but had a thought... The sound cards from that era, have a jack where an audio cable connected it to the CD/DVD drive. Where the card would override the on-board audio once installed, would that audio cable still be necessary today, or would today's motherboards know to route the audio from the CD/DVD through the motherboard, directly to the sound card? I haven't actually looked at the back of the DVD drive to see if it even has that connection on it. That system is from 2009.
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't. I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
On 11/24/20 2:44 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/23/20 3:41 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/23/20 11:40 AM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly, the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and, infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please feel free to ask).
This is good to know. I had been looking at my Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 (legacy PCI) sound card, which I believe has a year in the early 2000's shown on its printed circuit board and have been contemplating installing it in the other desktop, just to see if it still works and if the audio is better than what's provided from the on-board (NVIDIA).
I have tons of those and they all work perfectly. In fact, this machine has one Live! 5.1 and it's working grand.
Go for it.
Kate
I have not yet put the card in, but had a thought... The sound cards from that era, have a jack where an audio cable connected it to the CD/DVD drive. Where the card would override the on-board audio once installed, would that audio cable still be necessary today, or would today's motherboards know to route the audio from the CD/DVD through the motherboard, directly to the sound card? I haven't actually looked at the back of the DVD drive to see if it even has that connection on it. That system is from 2009.
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't. I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
OK. Thank you for checking. I have Audacious installed on both and it will play CD's.
On 11/24/20 2:44 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't. I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
Model # SB0100 (C) Creative Technology Ltd 2001
It still works! :)
For added measure, I also installed the codecs for Audacious, which included a CD codec. And it is playing a music CD, without the cable attached to the CD/DVD drive. What a difference!
The other desktop has a free PCI-E x1 slot, so I have ordered the same Creative SB Audigy FX card (Amazon, USD $36.99). Will have it tomorrow.
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/24/20 2:44 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't. I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
Model # SB0100 (C) Creative Technology Ltd 2001
It still works! :)
For added measure, I also installed the codecs for Audacious, which included a CD codec. And it is playing a music CD, without the cable attached to the CD/DVD drive. What a difference!
The other desktop has a free PCI-E x1 slot, so I have ordered the same Creative SB Audigy FX card (Amazon, USD $36.99). Will have it tomorrow.
Ok word of warning.
If you suddenly lose a sata port, move the card. It's ok to put a x1 into a x4, 8 and 16 slot. Also, if you don't get any sound out of it, but it's completely detected, make sure the optical port option is OFF. You'll find that in the switches section of kmix.
let us know how it goes,
Kate
On 11/24/20 5:37 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/24/20 2:44 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't. I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
Model # SB0100 (C) Creative Technology Ltd 2001
It still works! :)
For added measure, I also installed the codecs for Audacious, which included a CD codec. And it is playing a music CD, without the cable attached to the CD/DVD drive. What a difference!
The other desktop has a free PCI-E x1 slot, so I have ordered the same Creative SB Audigy FX card (Amazon, USD $36.99). Will have it tomorrow.
Ok word of warning.
If you suddenly lose a sata port, move the card. It's ok to put a x1 into a x4, 8 and 16 slot. Also, if you don't get any sound out of it, but it's completely detected, make sure the optical port option is OFF. You'll find that in the switches section of kmix.
let us know how it goes,
Kate
Thanks for this info. The PC (strangely) only came with two PCI-E x1 (non-open-ended) slots, despite that system being two years *newer* than this one (which has two PCI-E x1, one x16 and one legacy PCI).
One of the x1 slots in the other PC is being used by the network card.
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/24/20 5:37 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/24/20 2:44 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't. I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
Model # SB0100 (C) Creative Technology Ltd 2001
It still works! :)
For added measure, I also installed the codecs for Audacious, which included a CD codec. And it is playing a music CD, without the cable attached to the CD/DVD drive. What a difference!
The other desktop has a free PCI-E x1 slot, so I have ordered the same Creative SB Audigy FX card (Amazon, USD $36.99). Will have it tomorrow.
Ok word of warning.
If you suddenly lose a sata port, move the card. It's ok to put a x1 into a x4, 8 and 16 slot. Also, if you don't get any sound out of it, but it's completely detected, make sure the optical port option is OFF. You'll find that in the switches section of kmix.
let us know how it goes,
Kate
Thanks for this info. The PC (strangely) only came with two PCI-E x1 (non-open-ended) slots, despite that system being two years *newer* than this one (which has two PCI-E x1, one x16 and one legacy PCI).
One of the x1 slots in the other PC is being used by the network card. ____________________________________________________
Wait you don't have any x16 slots?
As for kscd, I needed to delete the old configs and reinstall the associated packages and now I can play an audio cd. Thank you Slavek.
Kate
On 11/24/20 5:56 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Ok word of warning.
If you suddenly lose a sata port, move the card. It's ok to put a x1 into a x4, 8 and 16 slot. Also, if you don't get any sound out of it, but it's completely detected, make sure the optical port option is OFF. You'll find that in the switches section of kmix.
let us know how it goes,
Kate
Thanks for this info. The PC (strangely) only came with two PCI-E x1 (non-open-ended) slots, despite that system being two years *newer* than this one (which has two PCI-E x1, one x16 and one legacy PCI).
One of the x1 slots in the other PC is being used by the network card. ____________________________________________________
Wait you don't have any x16 slots?
As for kscd, I needed to delete the old configs and reinstall the associated packages and now I can play an audio cd. Thank you Slavek.
Kate
Two x1 slots:
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03054469
FWIW, when I inquired on the local Linux group's listserv about a Radeon-based video card for an x1 slot, one of the respondents said it was the first time he had heard of a PC shipping with *only* x1 slots.
On Tuesday 24 of November 2020 20:44:54 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't. I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
In the kscd setting, there is the option Use direct digital playback, which can be used to control whether the device will be used as a player => requires either a audio cable connection or the use of audio output directly on the device, or whether it will be "played digitally" => grabbed and played like other sounds on a sound card.
Cheers
Edward via tde-users wrote:
I have not yet put the card in, but had a thought... The sound cards from that era, have a jack where an audio cable connected it to the CD/DVD drive. Where the card would override the on-board audio once installed, would that audio cable still be necessary today, or would today's motherboards know to route the audio from the CD/DVD through the motherboard, directly to the sound card? I haven't actually looked at the back of the DVD drive to see if it even has that connection on it. That system is from 2009.
I do not think modern drives have it - you can easily diagnose it by observing the front panel of the drive - if it has an audio jack, it can independently play audio.
Applications such as kscd would work with the data being read from the drive. I do not know why Kate would say kscd needs an audio cable. I guess kscd is able to control the drive (play/pause etc.), so that if you have a CD player you could just tell it play and listen on the audio jack of the player. However it should be working as a player too - playing the cdrom. Last time I tried few months ago it worked nicely.
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On 11/24/20 3:29 PM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Edward via tde-users wrote:
I have not yet put the card in, but had a thought... The sound cards from that era, have a jack where an audio cable connected it to the CD/DVD drive. Where the card would override the on-board audio once installed, would that audio cable still be necessary today, or would today's motherboards know to route the audio from the CD/DVD through the motherboard, directly to the sound card? I haven't actually looked at the back of the DVD drive to see if it even has that connection on it. That system is from 2009.
I do not think modern drives have it - you can easily diagnose it by observing the front panel of the drive - if it has an audio jack, it can independently play audio.
Applications such as kscd would work with the data being read from the drive. I do not know why Kate would say kscd needs an audio cable. I guess kscd is able to control the drive (play/pause etc.), so that if you have a CD player you could just tell it play and listen on the audio jack of the player. However it should be working as a player too - playing the cdrom. Last time I tried few months ago it worked nicely.
The drive does not have an audio jack on the front.
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