23 Nov
2020
23 Nov
'20
4:40 p.m.
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this card has an optical
io port that is ON by default when first installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks.
Otherwise there will be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in Gary's (brother
from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly, the RX, doesn't have a
break out box like the Platinum does, so I have to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a
project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a variety of other
source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and, infact, has better support than mac and
windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please feel free to ask).
Next...
As I said I'm rebuilding me 20 year old machine.
Here's a basics parts list.
Asus Prime x299-a 2 (great bloody board)
32G Corsair RAM (32K I think)
Intel Core i9-10980XE Cascade Lake 3.0 GHz LGA 2066
The computer has 7 hard drives, 1 BR optical drive (the board has 8 sata ports).
1 Seagate (sg) 500g ssd root / boot drive (sda)
1 sg 2tb ssd home (sdb)
5 (ssd & spin drives) are work drives and archives for redudant backups.
Then there are 2 hotswap bays with can hold 2 drives a piece on an addon pci-e sata
controller.
The board uses uefi. So, I'd like some advice on the sda drive setup.
Here's what I was going for essentially.
Swap = 32G (I know it seems like overkill but lots of 4k video work so it helps plus need
to hibernate).
ESP partition of vfat32 / XX mbs. There's the first question, how big should it be?
Test install is using 32mb. No other OSes will be installed.
The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g
sda2 = esp - xx size
sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
sb1 /home (in case anyone needs to know).
All input is welcomed.
As always, thank you again collective,
Kate
23 Nov
23 Nov
4:50 p.m.
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 11:40:32 -0500
BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
[...]
The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g
sda2 = esp - xx size
sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's out of the way.
Nik
sb1 /home (in case anyone needs to know).
All input is welcomed.
As always, thank you again collective,
Kate
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5:37 p.m.
On Monday 23 November 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 11:40:32 -0500
BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
Hi Nik
I was wondering the merits of doing the same thing.
Thanks for your input. It's greatly appreciated.
Kate
[...]
The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g
sda2 = esp - xx size
sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's out of the way.
Nik
> sb1 /home (in case anyone needs to know).
>
> All input is welcomed.
>
> As always, thank you again collective,
>
> Kate 
9:07 p.m.
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 17:50:03 +0100
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 11:40:32 -0500
BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
Most guides do seem to recommend putting it first, and given just how horrible
and specification-noncompliant EFI firmware often is, there's a nonzero chance
that the system will fail to boot or otherwise be confused if you put it elsewhere.
E. Liddell
[...]
The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g
sda2 = esp - xx size
sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's out of the way.
9:46 p.m.
On Monday 23 November 2020, E. Liddell wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 17:50:03 +0100
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
"and given just how
horrible and specification-noncompliant EFI firmware often
is"
Liddell you can be a poet of understatement at times lol.
I will be putting the esp part first.
The test drive booted with no problems using
sda1 swap 32g
sda2 esp 32MBs
sda3 / about 400GBs
Changes
sda1 esp 105MBs
sda2 swap 32 ZBs (just kidding)
sda3 / about 400GBs
Kate
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 11:40:32 -0500
BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
Most guides do seem to recommend putting it first, and given just how
horrible and specification-noncompliant EFI firmware often is, there's a
nonzero chance that the system will fail to boot or otherwise be confused
if you put it elsewhere.
E. Liddell
____________________________________________________ [...]
The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g
sda2 = esp - xx size
sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better
arrangements.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's out of the way. 
5:52 p.m.
So basically I want to rebuild your whole system :( Based on current day
technology (e.g. bottle necks) my opinion is you start building by picking
out the fastest boot/root drive, then build from there:
The usual suspects for new system building:
https://pcpartpicker.com/
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/
https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/
1 Seagate (sg) 500g ssd root / boot drive (sda)
If you have to change out the motherboard, you want an NVMe root / boot drive.
Go with:
Drives: https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/high_end_drives.html
$230
Samsung SSD 980 PRO 1TB
Average Drive Rating: 32629
https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=Samsung%20SSD%20980%20PRO%20…
Literally build the rest of the system around that. There is literally no
better drive than this at the moment.
CPU: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
$1,000
Intel Core i9-10980XE @ 3.00GHz
Average CPU Mark: 34274
Single Thread Rating: 2643
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i9-10980XE+%40+3.00GHz&…
That’s a POS! Okay, not really, but here are better bangs for the buck:
$1,350
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X
Average CPU Mark: 55373
Single Thread Rating: 2703
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+3960X&i…
$550
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
Average CPU Mark: 39700
Single Thread Rating: 3537
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+9+5900X&id=3870
If your stuff is mostly single threaded (one CPU core) then the 5900X is
possibly your best buy. You’ll have to dig to find the absolute best single
thread rating.
RAM:
General options: Max it out for your motherboard now, or throw away what you
buy now and max it out later.
RAM isn’t a bottle neck, so I personally max the system out for the cheapest
money now, then never look at it again.
32G Corsair RAM (32K I think)
Swap = 32G (I know it seems like overkill but lots of 4k video work so it
helps plus need to hibernate).
- Many, many opinions on this, my rule of thumb for hibernate is: RAM + 4G =
swap.
- In a high RAM system swap is almost never used, so, counter intuitively,
stick swap on your slowest drive.
The board uses uefi. So, I'd like some advice on
the sda drive setup.
Easiest way is to do a completely clean OS install, that way the install makes
all those decisions and is about guaranteed to ‘just work.’ E.g. remove all
drives but the install drive (and /home drive if your OS gives you
a ‘preserve home’ option during the install, and a slow drive for swap as
desired), do the install, and then add back all the other drives.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's
out of the way.
Nik
What Nik said. Uefi (and such) seem to work better on the first
drive/partition.
Maybe related, “the key advice is GRUB should be installed to the Disk, not to
a partition.”
https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=60377
HTH, probably more than you wanted ;)!
Best,
Michael
6:01 p.m.
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 17:57, Michael via tde-users<users(a)trinitydesktop.org>
wrote: So basically I want to rebuild your whole system :( Based on current day
technology (e.g. bottle necks) my opinion is you start building by picking
out the fastest boot/root drive, then build from there:
The usual suspects for new system building:
https://pcpartpicker.com/
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/
https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/
1 Seagate (sg) 500g ssd root / boot drive (sda)
If you have to change out the motherboard, you want an NVMe root / boot drive.
Go with:
Drives: https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/high_end_drives.html
$230
Samsung SSD 980 PRO 1TB
Average Drive Rating: 32629
https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=Samsung%20SSD%20980%20PRO%20…
Literally build the rest of the system around that. There is literally no
better drive than this at the moment.
CPU: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
$1,000
Intel Core i9-10980XE @ 3.00GHz
Average CPU Mark: 34274
Single Thread Rating: 2643
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i9-10980XE+%40+3.00GHz&…
That’s a POS! Okay, not really, but here are better bangs for the buck:
$1,350
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X
Average CPU Mark: 55373
Single Thread Rating: 2703
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+3960X&i…
$550
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
Average CPU Mark: 39700
Single Thread Rating: 3537
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+9+5900X&id=3870
If your stuff is mostly single threaded (one CPU core) then the 5900X is
possibly your best buy. You’ll have to dig to find the absolute best single
thread rating.
RAM:
General options: Max it out for your motherboard now, or throw away what you
buy now and max it out later.
RAM isn’t a bottle neck, so I personally max the system out for the cheapest
money now, then never look at it again.
32G Corsair RAM (32K I think)
Swap = 32G (I know it seems like overkill but lots of 4k video work so it
helps plus need to hibernate).
- Many, many opinions on this, my rule of thumb for hibernate is: RAM + 4G =
swap.
- In a high RAM system swap is almost never used, so, counter intuitively,
stick swap on your slowest drive.
The board uses uefi. So, I'd like some advice on
the sda drive setup.
Easiest way is to do a completely clean OS install, that way the install makes
all those decisions and is about guaranteed to ‘just work.’ E.g. remove all
drives but the install drive (and /home drive if your OS gives you
a ‘preserve home’ option during the install, and a slow drive for swap as
desired), do the install, and then add back all the other drives.
I'd put ESP in the first partition, so it's
out of the way.
Nik
What Nik said. Uefi (and such) seem to work better on the first
drive/partition.
Maybe related, “the key advice is GRUB should be installed to the Disk, not to
a partition.”
https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=60377
HTH, probably more than you wanted ;)!
Best,
Michael
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Being as you are installing the OS itself to a SSD it doesn't matter what partitions
are where :)
6:14 p.m.
On Monday 23 of November 2020 17:40:32 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this
card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first installed.
Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will be no signal
out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in
Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly,
the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have
to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a
variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and,
infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please
feel free to ask).
Next...
As I said I'm rebuilding me 20 year old machine.
Here's a basics parts list.
Asus Prime x299-a 2 (great bloody board)
32G Corsair RAM (32K I think)
Intel Core i9-10980XE Cascade Lake 3.0 GHz LGA 2066
The computer has 7 hard drives, 1 BR optical drive (the board has 8 sata
ports). 1 Seagate (sg) 500g ssd root / boot drive (sda)
1 sg 2tb ssd home (sdb)
5 (ssd & spin drives) are work drives and archives for redudant backups.
Then there are 2 hotswap bays with can hold 2 drives a piece on an addon
pci-e sata controller.
The board uses uefi. So, I'd like some advice on the sda drive setup.
Here's what I was going for essentially.
Swap = 32G (I know it seems like overkill but lots of 4k video work so
it helps plus need to hibernate).
ESP partition of vfat32 / XX mbs. There's the first question, how big
should it be? Test install is using 32mb. No other OSes will be
installed.
The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g
sda2 = esp - xx size
sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
sb1 /home (in case anyone needs to know).
All input is welcomed.
As always, thank you again collective,
Kate
I'm used to using a concept that gives me a lot of variability:
Now I usually use GPT.
The first partition is either ESP or BIOS boot (depending on the
capabilities of the machine) - I give 100MiB, even though it is an
oversized size for both cases.
The second partition for RAID1 intended for the system as such - depending
on the purpose, either 10 GIB (servers) or 20 GiB (for a desktop machine),
or how much you need for your system.
And the rest of the disk as the third partition for LVM. Subsequently, I
create all other partitions as LV in LVM - swap, var, tmp, home, backups,
videos, disks for virtual machines... as needed.
Thanks to LVM there is a huge amount of freedom. There is no need to deal
with the sequence and continuity of partitions on a disks. It is possible
to select different types of raid for each LV. It is possible to increase
the LV capacity completely without outages. It is possible to migrate LV
between physical disks without outages... Very comfortable.
Cheers
--
Slávek
8:54 p.m.
New subject: New Build Updates & Questions Simplified.
Ok, let's simplify this.
Current order and partition sizes:
sda1 = swap - 32g
(there are reasons for a large swap file but if a logical argument can be
made, I'm listening.
sda2 = esp - xx size? Slavek suggested 100MB, sounds good.
sda3 = / - remaining space
Suggested by Nik/Slavek:
sda1 = esp - xx size? Slavek suggested 100MB, sounds good (Slavek what's the
reasoning behind this btw).
sda2 = swap - 32g
(there are reasons for a large swap file but if a logical argument can be
made, I'm listening.)
sda3 = / - remaining space
Thoughts on this?
Thanks again,
Kate
26 Nov
26 Nov
midnight
New subject: New Build Updates & Questions Simplified.
On Monday 23 of November 2020 21:54:33 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
sda1 = esp - xx size? Slavek suggested 100MB, sounds
good (Slavek what's
the reasoning behind this btw).
As I mentioned, this size is definitely bigger than the real need. If I
remember correctly, I chose 100MiB due to a problem with some older bios.
At the same time, it seemed to me to be a reasonable size in case it would
be useful to place some data on this partitions - for example, some
complex efi bootloader.
Interesting fact: In the case of a disk with 4k sectors, the minimum size
for a FAT32 partition is 256 MiB.
Cheers
--
Slávek
12:28 a.m.
New subject: New Build Updates & Questions Simplified.
On Wednesday 25 November 2020, Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 23 of November 2020 21:54:33 BorgLabs - Kate
Draven wrote:
Useful info. Add it to me dbase.
I've formatted the boot drive as you and Nik and someone else (can't remember)
suggested. So far so good. Insanely fast. Enjoying my new "toy" at the
moment. Sadly, it will soon be a work tool. Oh well.
Thanks to all for everyone's help in helping me decide what direction to go
in.
Kate
sda1 = esp - xx size? Slavek suggested 100MB,
sounds good (Slavek what's
the reasoning behind this btw).
As I mentioned, this size is definitely bigger than the real need. If I
remember correctly, I chose 100MiB due to a problem with some older bios.
At the same time, it seemed to me to be a reasonable size in case it would
be useful to place some data on this partitions - for example, some
complex efi bootloader.
Interesting fact: In the case of a disk with 4k sectors, the minimum size
for a FAT32 partition is 256 MiB.
Cheers
23 Nov
23 Nov
9:10 p.m.
New subject: New Build Updates & Questions w/ Thanks
On Monday 23 November 2020, Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 23 of November 2020 17:40:32 BorgLabs - Kate
Draven wrote:
I forgot to say thank you Slavek & Nik and all for sharing.
As for the gear however, I had me reasons for choosing what I did.
I know my needs. All I wanted was thoughts on partition arrangement and sizes
for the boot drive.
For now I'll use Nik and Slaveks suggestions but I can always reinstall if
something comes up. It litterally only takes 3 mins. I keep all the rpms
locally so no need to redownload anything (expect for newer packages if there
are any).
Kate
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this
card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first installed.
Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will be no signal
out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in
Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly,
the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have
to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a
variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and,
infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please
feel free to ask).
Next...
As I said I'm rebuilding me 20 year old machine.
Here's a basics parts list.
Asus Prime x299-a 2 (great bloody board)
32G Corsair RAM (32K I think)
Intel Core i9-10980XE Cascade Lake 3.0 GHz LGA 2066
The computer has 7 hard drives, 1 BR optical drive (the board has 8 sata
ports). 1 Seagate (sg) 500g ssd root / boot drive (sda)
1 sg 2tb ssd home (sdb)
5 (ssd & spin drives) are work drives and archives for redudant backups.
Then there are 2 hotswap bays with can hold 2 drives a piece on an addon
pci-e sata controller.
The board uses uefi. So, I'd like some advice on the sda drive setup.
Here's what I was going for essentially.
Swap = 32G (I know it seems like overkill but lots of 4k video work so
it helps plus need to hibernate).
ESP partition of vfat32 / XX mbs. There's the first question, how big
should it be? Test install is using 32mb. No other OSes will be
installed.
The remaining space will be used for / and all the software.
sda1 = swap - 32g
sda2 = esp - xx size
sda3 = / - remaining space
Second question, partition order. Good or are there better arrangements.
sb1 /home (in case anyone needs to know).
All input is welcomed.
As always, thank you again collective,
Kate
I'm used to using a concept that gives me a lot of variability:
Now I usually use GPT.
The first partition is either ESP or BIOS boot (depending on the
capabilities of the machine) - I give 100MiB, even though it is an
oversized size for both cases.
The second partition for RAID1 intended for the system as such - depending
on the purpose, either 10 GIB (servers) or 20 GiB (for a desktop machine),
or how much you need for your system.
And the rest of the disk as the third partition for LVM. Subsequently, I
create all other partitions as LV in LVM - swap, var, tmp, home, backups,
videos, disks for virtual machines... as needed.
Thanks to LVM there is a huge amount of freedom. There is no need to deal
with the sequence and continuity of partitions on a disks. It is possible
to select different types of raid for each LV. It is possible to increase
the LV capacity completely without outages. It is possible to migrate LV
between physical disks without outages... Very comfortable.
Cheers
9:47 p.m.
New subject: New Build Updates & Questions w/ Thanks
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 16:10:29 -0500
BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
[...]
For now I'll use Nik and Slaveks suggestions but I can always reinstall if
something comes up. It litterally only takes 3 mins. I keep all the rpms
locally so no need to redownload anything (expect for newer packages if there
are any).
Installing the base system takes minute, getting the "rest" right takes years
:)
Nik
Kate
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10:53 p.m.
New subject: New Build Updates & Questions w/ Thanks
On Monday 23 November 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Nov 16:10:29 -0500
BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
Don't jinx me!
Kate
[...]
For now I'll use Nik and Slaveks suggestions but I can always reinstall
if something comes up. It litterally only takes 3 mins. I keep all the
rpms locally so no need to redownload anything (expect for newer packages
if there are any).
Installing the base system takes minute, getting the "rest" right takes
years :)
Nik
> Kate
> ____________________________________________________ 
10:54 p.m.
New subject: New Build Updates & Questions w/ Thanks
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say if I had to do it all over again I wouldn't even know where to
start.
The "look and feel" is much the same since KDE2, so I know where
everyting is. No surprises.
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24 Nov
12:12 a.m.
New subject: Slightly off topic (oldman Curt's fault): New Build Updates & Questions w/ Thanks
On Monday 23 November 2020, Curt Howland via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp was
heard to say:
LOL. Well old Mr Curt,
I move certain things like Konqueror ksidebar, kooldock, and other important
things and related config files, to a "system" dir, in
"/foo/system/trinity"
then symlink them to where they are meant to be. I moved kmail to my user
files dir (a new dir I created to contain the commonly found documents,
pictures, video etc within the root of the user. I then symlink kmail and all
it's configs. I use the path settings in kcontrol for everything else.
Firefox and gkrellm go into /foo/system/gapps.
Dirty, controversial, immoral, perhaps, but I never lose anything. Even if
starting from a clean user.
Kate
the scandalous.
PS sorry to throw you under the bus there...
ok not really.
Installing the base system takes minute, getting
the "rest" right
takes years :)
My ".kde" directory was imported into ".trinity", so I can honestly
say if I had to do it all over again I wouldn't even know where to
start.
The "look and feel" is much the same since KDE2, so I know where
everyting is. No surprises.
When did I get so stodgy?
Curt-
23 Nov
23 Nov
9:59 p.m.
New subject: New Build Updates & Questions w/ Thanks
On Monday 23 November 2020 03:10:29 pm BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
I forgot to say thank you Slavek & Nik and all for
sharing.
As for the gear however, I had me reasons for choosing what I did.
I know my needs. All I wanted was thoughts on partition arrangement and
sizes for the boot drive.
For now I'll use Nik and Slaveks suggestions but I can always reinstall if
something comes up. It litterally only takes 3 mins. I keep all the rpms
locally so no need to redownload anything (expect for newer packages if
there are any).
Here’s the partition scheme MX Linux installer makes:
/boot/efi /dev/nvme0n1p1 256M EFI System
/boot /dev/nvme0n1p2 512M Linux root (x86)
/ /dev/nvme0n1p3 50G Linux root (x86)
swap /dev/nvme0n1p4 2G Linux root (x86)
/home /dev/nvme0n1p5 878.8G Linux root (x86)
10:52 p.m.
New subject: New Build Updates & Questions w/ Thanks
On Monday 23 November 2020, Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2020 03:10:29 pm BorgLabs - Kate
Draven wrote:
Thanks Michael this is
helpful. Going to hang on this.
Kate
I forgot to say thank you Slavek & Nik and
all for sharing.
As for the gear however, I had me reasons for choosing what I did.
I know my needs. All I wanted was thoughts on partition arrangement and
sizes for the boot drive.
For now I'll use Nik and Slaveks suggestions but I can always reinstall
if something comes up. It litterally only takes 3 mins. I keep all the
rpms locally so no need to redownload anything (expect for newer packages
if there are any).
Here’s the partition scheme MX Linux installer makes:
/boot/efi /dev/nvme0n1p1 256M EFI System
/boot /dev/nvme0n1p2 512M Linux root (x86)
/ /dev/nvme0n1p3 50G Linux root (x86)
swap /dev/nvme0n1p4 2G Linux root (x86)
/home /dev/nvme0n1p5 878.8G Linux root (x86)
____________________________________________________ 
6:24 p.m.
On 11/23/20 11:40 AM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this
card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first
installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will
be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in
Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly,
the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have
to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a
variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and,
infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please
feel free to ask).
This is good to know. I had been looking at my Creative Sound Blaster
Live! 5.1 (legacy PCI) sound card, which I believe has a year in the
early 2000's shown on its printed circuit board and have been
contemplating installing it in the other desktop, just to see if it
still works and if the audio is better than what's provided from the
on-board (NVIDIA).
8:41 p.m.
On Monday 23 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/23/20 11:40 AM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
I have tons of those and they
all work perfectly. In fact, this machine has
one Live! 5.1 and it's working grand.
Go for it.
Kate
Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this
card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first
installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will
be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in
Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly,
the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have
to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a
variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and,
infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please
feel free to ask).
This is good to know. I had been looking at my Creative Sound Blaster
Live! 5.1 (legacy PCI) sound card, which I believe has a year in the
early 2000's shown on its printed circuit board and have been
contemplating installing it in the other desktop, just to see if it
still works and if the audio is better than what's provided from the
on-board (NVIDIA).
____________________________________________________
24 Nov
24 Nov
5:54 p.m.
On 11/23/20 3:41 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2020, Edward via tde-users
wrote:
I have not yet put the card in, but had a thought... The sound cards
from that era, have a jack where an audio cable connected it to the
CD/DVD drive. Where the card would override the on-board audio once
installed, would that audio cable still be necessary today, or would
today's motherboards know to route the audio from the CD/DVD through the
motherboard, directly to the sound card? I haven't actually looked at
the back of the DVD drive to see if it even has that connection on it.
That system is from 2009.
On 11/23/20 11:40 AM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven
wrote:
I have tons of those and they
all work perfectly. In fact, this machine has
one Live! 5.1 and it's working grand.
Go for it.
Kate Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this
card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first
installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will
be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in
Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly,
the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have
to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a
variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and,
infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please
feel free to ask).
This is good to know. I had been looking at my Creative Sound
Blaster
Live! 5.1 (legacy PCI) sound card, which I believe has a year in the
early 2000's shown on its printed circuit board and have been
contemplating installing it in the other desktop, just to see if it
still works and if the audio is better than what's provided from the
on-board (NVIDIA).
____________________________________________________
7:44 p.m.
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/23/20 3:41 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't.
I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like
pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
On Monday 23 November 2020, Edward via tde-users
wrote:
I have not yet put the card in, but had a thought... The sound cards
from that era, have a jack where an audio cable connected it to the
CD/DVD drive. Where the card would override the on-board audio once
installed, would that audio cable still be necessary today, or would
today's motherboards know to route the audio from the CD/DVD through the
motherboard, directly to the sound card? I haven't actually looked at
the back of the DVD drive to see if it even has that connection on it.
That system is from 2009.
____________________________________________________ On 11/23/20 11:40 AM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven
wrote:
I have tons of those and they all work perfectly. In fact, this machine
has one Live! 5.1 and it's working grand.
Go for it.
Kate Ok update on the audio card question.
Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this
card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first
installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will
be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in
Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly,
the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have
to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a
variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and,
infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please
feel free to ask).
This is good to know. I had been looking at my Creative Sound Blaster
Live! 5.1 (legacy PCI) sound card, which I believe has a year in the
early 2000's shown on its printed circuit board and have been
contemplating installing it in the other desktop, just to see if it
still works and if the audio is better than what's provided from the
on-board (NVIDIA).
____________________________________________________
7:49 p.m.
On 11/24/20 2:44 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users
wrote:
OK. Thank you for checking. I have Audacious installed on both and it
will play CD's.
On 11/23/20 3:41 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven
wrote:
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't.
I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like
pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate On Monday 23 November 2020, Edward via tde-users
wrote:
I have not yet put the card in, but had a thought... The sound cards
from that era, have a jack where an audio cable connected it to the
CD/DVD drive. Where the card would override the on-board audio once
installed, would that audio cable still be necessary today, or would
today's motherboards know to route the audio from the CD/DVD through the
motherboard, directly to the sound card? I haven't actually looked at
the back of the DVD drive to see if it even has that connection on it.
That system is from 2009.
____________________________________________________ On 11/23/20 11:40 AM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven
wrote:
> Ok update on the audio card question.
>
> Card chosen = SB Audigy RX - 100% natively supported. Please note this
> card has an optical io port that is ON by default when first
> installed. Turn it off to activate the 1/8 jacks. Otherwise there will
> be no signal out or in (no audio/mic/ or linein).
>
> The sound quality is as good as the card it replaced which is now in
> Gary's (brother from another mother) computer. He's having fun. Sadly,
> the RX, doesn't have a break out box like the Platinum does, so I have
> to make one. No biggy, 3 wires in a project box.
>
> According to the headaches I gave out freely at Creative Labs and a
> variety of other source. Any emu10kx chip is native on linux and,
> infact, has better support than mac and windows. Yeeeah for us.
>
> So.. solved, concluded, moving on (if anyone has any question please
> feel free to ask).
This is good to know. I had been looking at my Creative Sound Blaster
Live! 5.1 (legacy PCI) sound card, which I believe has a year in the
early 2000's shown on its printed circuit board and have been
contemplating installing it in the other desktop, just to see if it
still works and if the audio is better than what's provided from the
on-board (NVIDIA).
____________________________________________________
I have tons of those and they
all work perfectly. In fact, this machine
has one Live! 5.1 and it's working grand.
Go for it.
Kate
10:28 p.m.
On 11/24/20 2:44 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't.
I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like
pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
Model # SB0100
(C) Creative Technology Ltd 2001
It still works! :)
For added measure, I also installed the codecs for Audacious, which
included a CD codec. And it is playing a music CD, without the cable
attached to the CD/DVD drive. What a difference!
The other desktop has a free PCI-E x1 slot, so I have ordered the same
Creative SB Audigy FX card (Amazon, USD $36.99). Will have it tomorrow.
10:37 p.m.
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/24/20 2:44 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Ok word of warning.
If you suddenly lose a sata port, move the card.
It's ok to put a x1 into a x4, 8 and 16 slot.
Also, if you don't get any sound out of it, but it's completely detected, make
sure the optical port option is OFF. You'll find that in the switches section
of kmix.
let us know how it goes,
Kate
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't.
I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like
pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
Model # SB0100
(C) Creative Technology Ltd 2001
It still works! :)
For added measure, I also installed the codecs for Audacious, which
included a CD codec. And it is playing a music CD, without the cable
attached to the CD/DVD drive. What a difference!
The other desktop has a free PCI-E x1 slot, so I have ordered the same
Creative SB Audigy FX card (Amazon, USD $36.99). Will have it tomorrow.
____________________________________________________
10:48 p.m.
On 11/24/20 5:37 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users
wrote:
Thanks for this info. The PC (strangely) only came with two PCI-E x1
(non-open-ended) slots, despite that system being two years *newer* than
this one (which has two PCI-E x1, one x16 and one legacy PCI).
One of the x1 slots in the other PC is being used by the network card.
On 11/24/20 2:44 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven
wrote:
Ok word of warning.
If you suddenly lose a sata port, move the card.
It's ok to put a x1 into a x4, 8 and 16 slot.
Also, if you don't get any sound out of it, but it's completely detected, make
sure the optical port option is OFF. You'll find that in the switches section
of kmix.
let us know how it goes,
Kate Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't.
I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like
pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
Model # SB0100
(C) Creative Technology Ltd 2001
It still works! :)
For added measure, I also installed the codecs for Audacious, which
included a CD codec. And it is playing a music CD, without the cable
attached to the CD/DVD drive. What a difference!
The other desktop has a free PCI-E x1 slot, so I have ordered the same
Creative SB Audigy FX card (Amazon, USD $36.99). Will have it tomorrow.
____________________________________________________
10:56 p.m.
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/24/20 5:37 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Wait you don't have any
x16 slots?
As for kscd, I needed to delete the old configs and reinstall the associated
packages and now I can play an audio cd. Thank you Slavek.
Kate
On Tuesday 24 November 2020, Edward via tde-users
wrote:
Thanks for this info. The PC (strangely) only came with two PCI-E x1
(non-open-ended) slots, despite that system being two years *newer* than
this one (which has two PCI-E x1, one x16 and one legacy PCI).
One of the x1 slots in the other PC is being used by the network card.
____________________________________________________ On 11/24/20 2:44 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven
wrote:
Ok word of warning.
If you suddenly lose a sata port, move the card.
It's ok to put a x1 into a x4, 8 and 16 slot.
Also, if you don't get any sound out of it, but it's completely detected,
make sure the optical port option is OFF. You'll find that in the
switches section of kmix.
let us know how it goes,
Kate Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't.
I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like
pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
Model # SB0100
(C) Creative Technology Ltd 2001
It still works! :)
For added measure, I also installed the codecs for Audacious, which
included a CD codec. And it is playing a music CD, without the cable
attached to the CD/DVD drive. What a difference!
The other desktop has a free PCI-E x1 slot, so I have ordered the same
Creative SB Audigy FX card (Amazon, USD $36.99). Will have it tomorrow.
____________________________________________________
11:06 p.m.
On 11/24/20 5:56 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Wait you don't have any
x16 slots?
As for kscd, I needed to delete the old configs and reinstall the associated
packages and now I can play an audio cd. Thank you Slavek.
Kate
Two x1 slots:
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03054469
FWIW, when I inquired on the local Linux group's listserv about a
Radeon-based video card for an x1 slot, one of the respondents said it
was the first time he had heard of a PC shipping with *only* x1 slots.
Ok word
of warning.
If you suddenly lose a sata port, move the card.
It's ok to put a x1 into a x4, 8 and 16 slot.
Also, if you don't get any sound out of it, but it's completely detected,
make sure the optical port option is OFF. You'll find that in the
switches section of kmix.
let us know how it goes,
Kate
Thanks for this info. The PC (strangely) only came with two PCI-E x1
(non-open-ended) slots, despite that system being two years *newer* than
this one (which has two PCI-E x1, one x16 and one legacy PCI).
One of the x1 slots in the other PC is being used by the network card.
____________________________________________________
10:36 p.m.
On Tuesday 24 of November 2020 20:44:54 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Hi Ed,
OK kscd does need the cable however, Amarok, smplayer, vlc don't.
I think anything that can use advanced audio setting or software like
pulseaudio will play without the cable.
I hope this helps,
Kate
In the kscd setting, there is the option Use direct digital playback, which
can be used to control whether the device will be used as a player =>
requires either a audio cable connection or the use of audio output
directly on the device, or whether it will be "played digitally" =>
grabbed and played like other sounds on a sound card.
Cheers
--
Slávek
8:29 p.m.
Edward via tde-users wrote:
I have not yet put the card in, but had a thought...
The sound cards
from that era, have a jack where an audio cable connected it to the
CD/DVD drive. Where the card would override the on-board audio once
installed, would that audio cable still be necessary today, or would
today's motherboards know to route the audio from the CD/DVD through the
motherboard, directly to the sound card? I haven't actually looked at
the back of the DVD drive to see if it even has that connection on it.
That system is from 2009.
I do not think modern drives have it - you can easily diagnose it by
observing the front panel of the drive - if it has an audio jack, it can
independently play audio.
Applications such as kscd would work with the data being read from the
drive. I do not know why Kate would say kscd needs an audio cable.
I guess kscd is able to control the drive (play/pause etc.), so that if you
have a CD player you could just tell it play and listen on the audio jack
of the player. However it should be working as a player too - playing the
cdrom. Last time I tried few months ago it worked nicely.
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On 11/24/20 3:29 PM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Edward via tde-users wrote:
The drive does not have an audio jack on the front.
I have not yet put the card in, but had a
thought... The sound cards
from that era, have a jack where an audio cable connected it to the
CD/DVD drive. Where the card would override the on-board audio once
installed, would that audio cable still be necessary today, or would
today's motherboards know to route the audio from the CD/DVD through the
motherboard, directly to the sound card? I haven't actually looked at
the back of the DVD drive to see if it even has that connection on it.
That system is from 2009.
I do not think modern drives have it - you can easily
diagnose it by
observing the front panel of the drive - if it has an audio jack, it can
independently play audio.
Applications such as kscd would work with the data being read from the
drive. I do not know why Kate would say kscd needs an audio cable.
I guess kscd is able to control the drive (play/pause etc.), so that if you
have a CD player you could just tell it play and listen on the audio jack
of the player. However it should be working as a player too - playing the
cdrom. Last time I tried few months ago it worked nicely.
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