I finally created a Devuan VM. I installed KDE, Xfce, MATE, Cinnamon. Everything is updated and seems to be working fine.
I populated apt sources.list per the wiki and downloaded the TDE signing key.
When I run the following command:
apt install tde-trinity
I receive the message:
The following packages will be REMOVED: desktop-base gnome-control-center
I did not install the GNOME desktop and don't care about gnome-control-center (probably a Cinnamon requirement). I do not know what removing desktop-base will do. Running "apt show desktop-base" reveals a description of "common files for the Devuan Desktop."
Is auto removing desktop-base safe? I want to retain all of the other desktop environments to see how TDE interacts in a mixed environment.
Second, I want to install every doggone TDE package possible. I never have experienced a full TDE and I want to see how everything functions. Running "apt search trinity" finds many packages. I don't know if "apt install tde-trinity" installs everything. My Debian Fu is horribly rusty and could use help proceeding.
Thanks.
On Tue April 22 2025 12:46:13 Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
When I run the following command:
apt install tde-trinity
I receive the message:
The following packages will be REMOVED: desktop-base gnome-control-center
I did not install the GNOME desktop and don't care about gnome-control-center (probably a Cinnamon requirement). I do not know what removing desktop-base will do. Running "apt show desktop-base" reveals a description of "common files for the Devuan Desktop."
Is auto removing desktop-base safe? I want to retain all of the other desktop environments to see how TDE interacts in a mixed environment.
"apt-cache show tde-trinity" reveals that tde-trinity depends on desktop-base-trinity.
"apt-cache show desktop-base-trinity" reveals that desktop-base-trinity both conflicts with and provides desktop-base. IOW it is a TDE-specific replacement for desktop-base.
Second, I want to install every doggone TDE package possible. I never have experienced a full TDE and I want to see how everything functions. Running "apt search trinity" finds many packages. I don't know if "apt install tde-trinity" installs everything. My Debian Fu is horribly rusty and could use help proceeding.
From "apt-cache show tde-trinity": This metapackage includes all the official modules released with TDE that are not specific to development. In addition to the core TDE modules, this includes multimedia, networking, personal information manager (PIM), graphics, education, games, web development, system administration tools, and other artwork and utilities.
On 4/22/25 3:11 PM, Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
"apt-cache show tde-trinity" reveals that tde-trinity depends on desktop-base-trinity.
"apt-cache show desktop-base-trinity" reveals that desktop-base-trinity both conflicts with and provides desktop-base. IOW it is a TDE-specific replacement for desktop-base.
Second, I want to install every doggone TDE package possible. I never have experienced a full TDE and I want to see how everything functions. Running "apt search trinity" finds many packages. I don't know if "apt install tde-trinity" installs everything. My Debian Fu is horribly rusty and could use help proceeding.
From "apt-cache show tde-trinity":
This metapackage includes all the official modules released with TDE that are not specific to development. In addition to the core TDE modules, this includes multimedia, networking, personal information manager (PIM), graphics, education, games, web development, system administration tools, and other artwork and utilities.
I installed the tde-trinity mega package. That affected the Cinnamon desktop icons although the remainder of the DE seems okay. I was able to reinstall several related packages that were removed but the Cinnamon desktop icons remain messed up. The other DEs seem unaffected.
Bottom line is there is a minor conflict with TDE and Cinnamon if somebody wants both installed. I seem to recall with Debian that installing individual packages often avoids conflicts caused by installing mega packages. I am not a Debian guru and not really important right now.
Except for KDE menu options there is notable TDE menu clutter caused by installing multiple DEs. Would be interesting if there was a compilation option like tdelibs DWITH_KDE4_MENU_SUFFIX for other DEs. Just thinking out loud, nothing more.
On Tuesday 22 April 2025 21:46:13 Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
apt install tde-trinity
I receive the message:
The following packages will be REMOVED: desktop-base gnome-control-center
Is auto removing desktop-base safe? I want to retain all of the other desktop environments to see how TDE interacts in a mixed environment.
Hi Darrell,
AFAIK there are some "things" in the Gnome Desktop that
a) seem to be installed anyway b) don't work well with TDE (I guess Gnome wants to remain in control)
Anyway, from my experience, if it's TDE you want to run, removing it is safe, but I'd expect that you can't run Gnome Desktop after that.
Actually, if you want complete TDE "experience", you should use TDM-Trinity (while many other DM use lightdm). TDE will run on lightdm, but some things will be different (log out / shutdown for one).
Thierry
On 4/22/25 3:11 PM, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
AFAIK there are some "things" in the Gnome Desktop that
As I mentioned I did not install GNOME but installed Cinnamon, which originally was derived from GNOME. Likely I am wrong, but I am guessing GNOME can't be installed in Devuan because GNOME has systemd dependencies. I recall some distro maintainers created various "shims" to help, but not important to me.
My main goal was to see how TDE interacts with multiple desktops installed.
a) seem to be installed anyway b) don't work well with TDE (I guess Gnome wants to remain in control)
I won't get into GNOME developers ideology and philosophy. I gave up on them a very long time ago.
Actually, if you want complete TDE "experience", you should use TDM-Trinity (while many other DM use lightdm). TDE will run on lightdm, but some things will be different (log out / shutdown for one).
By installing multiple desktops, lightdm, sddm, and tdm all were installed. During the initial install I selected sddm as the default because the ISO did not include TDE as an option. After later installing the tde-trinity mega package I changed to TDM. I haven't tinkered with seeing how TDE changes with each of the login managers.
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