greets, everybody . . .
i've been away, working on a book project, but now i need to turn to this list. i've used ubuntu for well over a decade, happily. canonical has gone kind of flaky -- first, update messages got salted with announcements that they're holding back some security updates unless i register with them (and we all know where that leads). now i updates my second machine, running 2004LTS, and got a pop-up saying support will end in 43 days unless i upgrade to 2204.
until now, upgrading was simply a matter of changing the version name in the sources list, then doing the usual update/upgrade thing. usually i had to do it a couple of times to get everything, but it worked.
my desktop is pretty elaborately configured. a clean install would take a week i don't have, followed by a year of every so often finding something that no longer works. so . . .
i'm hoping to find what amounts to a ubuntu clone but free of whatever it is that canonical is up to. by this, i mean a distro that will let me change the version name (and probably the server) in the sources list (actually, in synaptic), and let 'er rip, with package names and so on being the same to the extent that it won't break everything. there used to be a lot of -buntus -- for a while i was using kubuntu until kde went its goofy way and ubuntu dropped support for it. i see now that there is something called "trisquel," and that seems a likely choice, if package naming conventions are the same -- i know that version names aren't. anybody tried it? i's do debian, but that would take me a week or two to fix the stuff broken by their politics, even as i'm trying to fix what canonical is breaking for business reasons. i do not want snap or appimage, just plain old deb.
what's the right answer? is there a solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that without too much crowbar use runs TDE?
thanks in advance. -- dep
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dep via tde-users wrote:
what's the right answer? is there a solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that without too much crowbar use runs TDE?
why don't you try some of the live cds (usb images)?
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/LiveCDs
or here
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Category:Documentation
Also keep in mind there is a major version update coming soon, allegedly in a month or two
regarding " solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that without ..." Things have changed in the past years for good. I installed last summer from scratch on USB stick (used Debian) then put on top TDE ... I didn't have to do anything to make it work - it worked out of the box. I booted from the USB to see if a newly bought notebook would work, before repartitioning and resizing. Actually this is why I wanted to have a more modern USB resque disk. I then copied the USB to the newly allocated partition and it worked again without an issue (dual boot and EFI). Of course there are customizations and procedures to be applied applied, but I consider them as standard - I mean like configure desktop etc. The cool thing is, you could reuse your home directory and all the tde configuration if you wish - and it looks and works the same as on the original PC.
said deloptes via tde-users: | dep via tde-users wrote: | > what's the right answer? is there a solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that | > without too much crowbar use runs TDE? | | why don't you try some of the live cds (usb images)? | | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/LiveCDs | | or here | | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Category:Documentation | | Also keep in mind there is a major version update coming soon, allegedly | in a month or two
that's a little bit what i was looking for; i was hoping to hone it down to what amounts to a non-canonical mirror or near-mirror of ubuntu -- package names maintained and so on. it would be easy enough for me to do a straight upgrade, just by changing the version name from focal to jammy. so that's not an issue. what *is* an issue is the direction ubuntu is heading, by doing such things as throwing up warnings that say "we have these security fixes, too, but you can't have them unless you join our little club." i'm not happy with the ubuntu distro, but i'm extremely unhappy with canonical. so i was hoping to find a repo/distro that lets me simply change the server addresses in /etc/apt/sources.list and upgrade like always. i very much *do not* want to do a clean install. i guess i should have mentioned that. -- dep
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dep via tde-users wrote:
so i was hoping to find a repo/distro that lets me simply change the server addresses in /etc/apt/sources.list and upgrade like always. i very much *do not* want to do a clean install. i guess i should have mentioned that.
doesn't matter if you upgrade or install, make a backup or use USB disk or another partition or similar. Usually Debian (must apply to Ubuntu as well) recommends to upgrade to next version only - skipping version can have unpredicted results.
said deloptes via tde-users:
| Usually Debian (must apply to Ubuntu as well) recommends to upgrade to | next version only - skipping version can have unpredicted results.
Except when going from one LTS to the next LTS, as in 20.04LTS to 22.04LTS. And the reason I'm doing it now is that Ubuntu LTS releases generally need about a year to shake out the most egregious bugs and vulnerabilities. So I upgrade to LTS distros in odd-number years. -- dep
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On Thursday 09 March 2023 04:34:42 pm dep via tde-users wrote:
my desktop is pretty elaborately configured. a clean install would take a week i don't have, followed by a year of every so often finding something that no longer works. so . . .
what's the right answer? is there a solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that without too much crowbar use runs TDE?
On Thursday 09 March 2023 06:48:36 pm deloptes via tde-users wrote:
why don't you try some of the live cds (usb images)?
The cool thing is, you could reuse your home directory and all the tde configuration if you wish - and it looks and works the same as on the original PC.
On Thursday 09 March 2023 07:14:00 pm Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
Debian :-)
On Thursday 09 March 2023 08:12:40 pm Dan Youngquist via tde-users wrote:
I've been using MX Linux for several years now, and it works very well. It's pretty much straight Debian, but with multimedia and some other stuff. Install is pretty painless, especially if you keep your home directory, which is a lot easier if you use a separate /home partition.
Hi dep,
My requirements are basically yours. No spending weeks/years re-configuring an elaborately tweaked system.
“Preserving Home” is an installation option with MX Linux and antiX Linux (and probably others). As said by others it is easier to do this if you pre-partition a separate /home and copy your existing /home to it.
My current upgrade methodology is to:
- Install the base, with no desktops, of either MX Linux (systemd-shim or systemd) or antiX Linux (systemd-free) - Preserve /home during the install - Manually install TDE from the command line * - Install the MX/antiX “Package Installer” - Use the “Package Installer” to install all the ‘stuff’ I had installed prior.
Total re-installation time is about 4 hours. Total re-configuration time is about an hour.
You can do the same with straight Debian, but the package installer will save you hours or tens of hours depending on how much software you install. I’ve attached its file list for perusal.
HTH, Michael
* I create shell files to do this and copy them to the installation USB so I can then copy them to /root to execute. There’s copies of them on this mailing list (and probably somewhere on the TDE wiki as well).
dep via tde-users composed on 2023-03-09 22:34 (UTC):
is there a solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that without too much crowbar use runs TDE?
I don't understand the fixation with .deb, or the problem upgrading *buntu by simple /etc/apt/ edits. That's all I did to get from 20.04 to 22.04, on 8 or so installations with no DE other than TDE.
There are other options: http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/rpm/ http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/
said Felix Miata via tde-users:
| I don't understand the fixation with .deb, or the problem upgrading | *buntu by simple /etc/apt/ edits. That's all I did to get from 20.04 to | 22.04, on 8 or so installations with no DE other than TDE.
I don't understand how I failed to get across what I was trying to say, which included how for many upgrades I've just edited /etc/apt/sources.list to upgrade, but that Canonical is behaving objectionably in other ways and therefore I want to find a *free* distro that will let me get away with just editing /etc/apt/sources.list the way, I guess I failed to mention, I have for more than a decade. -- dep
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dep via tde-users composed on 2023-03-10 02:41 (UTC):
said Felix Miata via tde-users:
| I don't understand ... the problem upgrading | *buntu by simple /etc/apt/ edits. That's all I did to get from 20.04 to | 22.04, on 8 or so installations with no DE other than TDE.
...let me get away with just editing /etc/apt/sources.list the way, I guess I failed to mention, I have for more than a decade.
I still don't understand how I was able to do a bunch of times with no issues in memory, while you can't do it once. What's in your sources that you are unable to change from focal to jammy and do apt[-get,itude] full-upgrade?
said Felix Miata via tde-users:
| I still don't understand how I was able to do a bunch of times with no | issues in memory, while you can't do it once. What's in your sources | that you are unable to change from focal to jammy and do apt[-get,itude] | full-upgrade?
That's not the issue. The issue is that Canonical is getting bad and planning, I think, to get worse -- anybody remember Caldera? -- and I want to use a different distro. I, too, have upgraded Ubuntu uneventfully since, I think, 8.04. I would like to continue to upgrade uneventfully. I just don't want to get it from Ubuntu, which is Canonical, and which has taken to things such as adding little messages saying that there are other security upgrades that it's holding back unless I register with them. To use a delicate term, screw that. -- dep
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dep composed on 2023-03-10 03:11 (UTC):
I would like to continue to upgrade uneventfully. I just don't want to get it from Ubuntu
Now I get it. Are you limited by having only one PC, which must be up 24/7, and no time at all for experimentation? If not, and unless it has been reported impossible, I'd clone the current *buntu to another disk and/or PC, and try upgrading from Ubuntu to Debian (without which *buntu would not exist). I might even try one just for fun if no one here knows of reports suggesting it too difficult or impossible. *buntu has some things that differ, and plenty of embellishments, but they are probably unnecessary to your working system, or any Debian system, which apt* probably would report no longer needed and removable.
said Felix Miata via tde-users: | dep composed on 2023-03-10 03:11 (UTC): | > I would like to continue to upgrade uneventfully. I | > just don't want to get it from Ubuntu | | Now I get it. Are you limited by having only one PC, which must be up | 24/7, and no time at all for experimentation? If not, and unless it has | been reported impossible, I'd clone the current *buntu to another disk | and/or PC, and try upgrading from Ubuntu to Debian (without which *buntu | would not exist). I might even try one just for fun if no one here knows | of reports suggesting it too difficult or impossible. *buntu has some | things that differ, and plenty of embellishments, but they are probably | unnecessary to your working system, or any Debian system, which apt* | probably would report no longer needed and removable.
I'm not limited as to computers, but I am limited as to time and my current configuration works -- no more taking two days to get the frigging vid driver to work, for instance (which is a non-free driver, which makes trouble with Debian; in any case, last time I did a Ubuntu-Debian the result was not pretty).
I'm thinking that Ubuntu to the "free" Ubuntu -- Trisquel (https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/migrate-ubuntu-trisquel-without-reinstalling ) -- might work. There's a script, last updated a decade ago, that if edited might work, and it apparently incorporates /etc/apt/sources.list. But it is also free-as-in-Debian, so who knows what it will do to non-free stuff. I've inquired as to whether it has a non-free repository. I'm hoping that the names remain the same -- security, updates, backports -- and all I need to do is change the servers (in which case I could probably even keep the genuine Ubuntu non-free repo). I've made inquiry as to the servers; with luck I can simply edit the sources.list, a little more elaborately than Ubuntu-Ubuntu but still, and then proceed as normal. Ubuntu has just been sneaking too much stuff onto my machine -- "Ubuntu Advantage," now the warning messages during security updates -- for me to be at all comfortable with them anymore.
I guess I was hoping either someone here had done this or else knew of a magic way of switching over to full Debian without much pain. -- dep
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dep composed on 2023-03-10 03:52 (UTC):
Ubuntu has just been sneaking too much stuff onto my machine -- "Ubuntu Advantage," now the warning messages during security updates
IME, UA only needs to be purged once to stay out of the way.
read the whole register piece. currently, purging it brings down the system -- it's meta packaged to essential stuff. canonical is being opportunistic about all this. i want nothing further to do with it or them.
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On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:05 AM, Felix Miata via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
dep composed on 2023-03-10 03:52 (UTC):
Ubuntu has just been sneaking too much stuff onto my machine -- "Ubuntu Advantage," now the warning messages during security updates
IME, UA only needs to be purged once to stay out of the way.
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dep composed on 2023-03-10 05:10 (UTC):
read the whole register piece. currently, purging it brings down the system -- it's meta packaged to essential stuff. canonical is being opportunistic about all this. i want nothing further to do with it or them.
I read it before your reply showed up. I have yet to discover anything not working in 22.04 because of having purged ubuntu-adv*. It may have something to do with having no DE installed that is provided by *buntu, but only TDE onto a minimal *buntu NET/base installation that's an upgrade from focal, from bionic[, from xenial....on PCs old enough, back to around Dapper]. Bionic IIRC was my last new *buntu installation.
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On Thursday 09 March 2023, Felix Miata via tde-users was heard to say:
I still don't understand how I was able to do a bunch of times with no issues in memory, while you can't do it once.
I've noticed entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ are getting added in the background on some systems, those would not be changed by editing sources.list
Something to look for.
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said Michele Calgaro via tde-users:
| On 2023/03/10 07:34 AM, dep via tde-users wrote: | > what's the right answer? is there a solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that | > without too much crowbar use runs TDE? | | Debian :-)
Assuming that you didn't think I was asking "what's your favorite distro," can I in fact point my /etc/apt/sources.list at a Debian server and have it update/upgrade without breaking things? There's the additional concern that I have hardware, particularly video, that pretty much demands binary drivers, and if memory serves Debian is highly allergic to those. -- dep
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On 2023/03/10 11:45 AM, dep via tde-users wrote:
said Michele Calgaro via tde-users:
| On 2023/03/10 07:34 AM, dep via tde-users wrote: | > what's the right answer? is there a solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that | > without too much crowbar use runs TDE? | | Debian :-)
Assuming that you didn't think I was asking "what's your favorite distro," can I in fact point my /etc/apt/sources.list at a Debian server and have it update/upgrade without breaking things? There's the additional concern that I have hardware, particularly video, that pretty much demands binary drivers, and if memory serves Debian is highly allergic to those. --
Ubuntu is one of the many Debian-derived distros, lot of packages in the Ubuntu repository comes from Debian repository. For many things, I would expect things to just work once have a Debian + TDE setup and you copy over your config.
If you are looking at converting an existing Ubuntu system to something else, things may get broken. I usually create a new system and copy over my config. But Debian is definitely a good choice if you want to try it, given Ubuntu comes out of that.
Cheers Michele
On Thu March 9 2023 18:45:52 dep via tde-users wrote:
said Michele Calgaro via tde-users: | On 2023/03/10 07:34 AM, dep via tde-users wrote: | > what's the right answer? is there a solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that | > without too much crowbar use runs TDE? | | Debian :-)
Assuming that you didn't think I was asking "what's your favorite distro," can I in fact point my /etc/apt/sources.list at a Debian server and have it update/upgrade without breaking things? There's the additional concern that I have hardware, particularly video, that pretty much demands binary drivers, and if memory serves Debian is highly allergic to those.
Debian has many binary drivers in non-free. I'd be stuck without them.
I have in the past successfully migrated approx two dozen systems from Ubuntu to Debian without reinstalling from scratch. However this was after extensive testing on virtual machines to figure out reliable migrations.
This is of course totally unsupported and not recommended.
Too much has changed for my experiences from those tests to be of much value today but in general I found it easiest to uninstall desktop stuff, migrate the base system, and then reinstall the desktop stuff.
Whether you choose to try Debian or something closer to Ubuntu it doesn't hurt to backup your apt configuration then point it at a new distro and:
apt update apt --dry-run dist-upgrade
- to get an idea what kind of problems you might be facing.
--Mike
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I have in the past successfully migrated approx two dozen systems from Ubuntu to Debian without reinstalling from scratch.
[VaderVoice] Impressive. [/VaderVoice]
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I don't know about drop-in Ubuntu replacements because I don't think I've ever installed Ubuntu without regretting it. But I've been using MX Linux for several years now, and it works very well. It's pretty much straight Debian, but with multimedia and some other stuff. I install the XFCE version, then install TDE. Install is pretty painless, especially if you keep your home directory, which is a lot easier if you use a separate /home partition. The one thing I don't like is usually having to reinstall when it changes to a new Debian version, but I haven't yet found a rolling release that can use TDE.
Dan Youngquist composed on 2023-03-09 18:12 (UTC-0800):
I haven't yet found a rolling release that can use TDE.
Were you really looking? http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/archlinux/ http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/rpm/osstw/ (openSUSE Tumbleweed)
On 3/9/23 7:10 PM, Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Dan Youngquist composed on 2023-03-09 18:12 (UTC-0800):
I haven't yet found a rolling release that can use TDE.
Were you really looking? http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/archlinux/ http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/rpm/osstw/ (openSUSE Tumbleweed)
Well, I should've said I really want to stay with Debian for compatibility, if at all possible. If some program, driver, etc., is available for only one distro, it's almost always Debian.
Dan Youngquist via tde-users composed on 2023-03-09 19:27 (UTC-0800):
Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Dan Youngquist composed on 2023-03-09 18:12 (UTC-0800):
I haven't yet found a rolling release that can use TDE.
Were you really looking? http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/archlinux/ http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/rpm/osstw/ (openSUSE Tumbleweed)
Well, I should've said I really want to stay with Debian for compatibility, if at all possible. If some program, driver, etc., is available for only one distro, it's almost always Debian.
How often do you change your hardware that you need another driver that every distro doesn't have? Drivers come from upstreams, as do most apps, and the kernel.
I find it difficult to imagine a rolling derivative distro built upon a non-rolling foundation, so no wonder you didn't find.
Regardless of distro, if you need something your distro does not provide, odds are pretty good you can make openSUSE's build service create it for yours if you can't or don't want to build it yourself. Someone else may have already done it and you need only to discover and install it.
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On Thursday 09 March 2023, Dan Youngquist via tde-users was heard to say:
Well, I should've said I really want to stay with Debian for compatibility, if at all possible. If some program, driver, etc., is available for only one distro, it's almost always Debian.
Ok. If I may jump in with a thing or two.
Yes, perpetual upgrades from version to version works on Debian. Although a clean install has its benefits I've only _had_ to do so when going to a new primary HD.
You're not going to be able to jump from Ubuntu to Debian without a fresh install.
What you can do is zip you home directory, including the .directories, and then restore the needed ones to the new install. So .trinity, .ssh, and so on. Here's my list from my annual backup scripts:
zip -r -9 curt-dotfiles-20211231.zip .bash* .confi* .csh* .cla* .fon* .gnu* .mozi* .report* .ss* .Sky* .trin*
Restoring your entire ~/.trinity directory tree will restore your TDE settings and application data.
Save a list of currently installed packages: dpkg --get-selections >selections.list
Ubuntu doesn't use all the same package names, but having this list will save you lots of guessing in the future.
When you do your Debian install, you can choose to do a full desktop install with xfce, for example, and then use that to jump to TDE, or you can do the install with no GUI and TDE will pull in all the needed GUI packages. I've done both, Doing GUI up front is easier. Having an unused xfce doesn't take up much space.
So now you have your fresh Debian.
Restore your .trinity, .ssh, and any other files and ~/.directories that look useful. I use custom .bash* files for a cute cursor.
Unzip your home directory entries when logged in as you, not root, so file attributes and ownership aren't messed up.
I believe the latest Debian installers automagically add "main contrib non-free" to the primary repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list, but if they're not all there, add them to every line: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
Add deb-multimedia.org and TDE to your sources.list: # Debian Multimedia deb http://deb-multimedia.org bullseye main non-free # Trinity Desktop deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x bullseye main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x bullseye main
(sorry for the arbitrary wrapping)
Deb-multimedia.org has instructions on importing their signing keys on their front page. TDE on the Debian install page.
Now install TDE. If you went the GUI route, Debian will ask you if you want to use TDM for login when TDM is installed. That's up to you, lightdm will also show Trinity as a login option once TDE is installed, so you can use whatever you want.
This will give you Debian, and the TDE look/and/feel that you're accustomed to.
Remember selections.list from earlier? You can now open that and see what, if anything, you want which wasn't installed already.
You can use the bulldozer method: apt-get update dpkg --set-selections <selections.list apt-get dselect-upgrade
...but that tends to have lots of "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that" messages. Also Debian tends to maintain the same package names between versions once established, I don't know what the Ubuntu list might have that could cause problems. So the bulldozer can be ignored.
When you want to upgrade versions, just change to the new version name in your /etc/apt/sources.list, and...
apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade
Just upgrade will not overwrite existing things, dist-upgrade will.
Personally, I've been using the dselect package manager since I first installed Debian in early 1995. I've found it works very well resolving version upgrades in one step rather than two. Most people I've told about it call me a dinosaur. Since Ubuntu includes dselect it made Ubuntu system management at my last employer so very much easier for me, I just treated Ubuntu like an obsolete version of Debian and we got along fine.
I hope this is useful. Being able to keep the look/and/feel even in catastrophic restors and across multiple systems by saving/restoring the .trinity directory (and before that .kde) has been one of the great benefits and pleasures of using Trinity.
Curt-
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Dear Curt Howland via tde-users,
On 10.Mar.2023 um 07:22 you wrote:
I believe the latest Debian installers automagically add "main contrib non-free" to the primary repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list, but if they're not all there, add them to every line: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
Also add "non-free-firmware"!
Regards, Peter.
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Also add "non-free-firmware"!
firmware-linux firmware-linux-free firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree
After the non-free repositories are specified, of course.
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Dear Curt Howland via tde-users,
10.Mar.2023 um 10:46 you wrote:
firmware-linux firmware-linux-free firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree
The Debian wiki, last modified 2023-02-15, says: [ Example to Bookworm (next release and current in testing):
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main non-free-firmware deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ bookworm-security main non-free-firmware deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ bookworm-security main non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main non-free-firmware deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main non-free-firmware]
No need therefore to specify other firmware-repos IMHO.
Regards, Peter.
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On Friday 10 March 2023, phiebie--- via tde-users was heard to say:
The Debian wiki, last modified 2023-02-15, says:
...
No need therefore to specify other firmware-repos IMHO.
This is a change I had not heard about.
Thank you.
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Thanks, everybody. Much to think about. My second thought is that the cleanest way, probably, is the de-scummed Ubuntu, Trisquel. They do have, or at least did have, a recipe for relatively pain-free migration. I would soon upgrade to 22.04 from 20.04 anyway, but no, I'm not idiot enough to do both the migration and the upgrade at the same time, thereby not knowing what broke what gets broken, it comes down now to whether I want to upgrade Ubuntu before crossing the street to the decent part of town, or migrating to Trisquel and then upgrade. I'm thinking the former.
My first thought is that I don't want to do either until the publisher has signed off on the book and I'm well and truly done with it. So my panicked "oh my God, I broke everything" post is still probably weeks or months away.
Thanks again. -- dep
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On Friday 10 March 2023, Curt Howland via tde-users was heard to say:
On Friday 10 March 2023, phiebie--- via tde-users was heard to say:
Also add "non-free-firmware"!
firmware-linux firmware-linux-free firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree
After the non-free repositories are specified, of course.
Since this was not obvious, these are packages not repositories, in Debian 11 and prior.
That firmware is to be specified in Debian 12 in the sources.list file is a major departure from prior behavior.
So much for upgrading by changing the pointers and running update.
Bummer.
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Hi dep!
Anno domini 2023 Thu, 09 Mar 22:34:42 +0000 dep via tde-users scripsit:
what's the right answer? is there a solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that without too much crowbar use runs TDE?
You might want devuan - but it's not exactly a drop-in replacement. Anyway, this is what I usually do:
1) install "apt-mark" and save the list of manually installed packages: apt-mark showmanual > manual.txt 2) make a backup of your data and/or get a new/clan ssd for the OS - or at least make a copy of /etc for config files you might want to reuse, e.g. "rsync -av /etc /home/dep/etc-saved" 3) make a copy of /root - you'll want to keep it for later, too - "rsync -av /root /home/dep/root-saved" 4) make a copy of you $HOME e.g. "rsync -av /home/dep /home/dep-save" 5) make a minimal clean installation of devuan daedalus http://vagrant.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/ and create your user account 6) change /etc/apt/sources.list to include TDE + install the TDE keyring 7) apt update 8) install al manually installed packages from before: # apt install $(cat manual.txt) 9) move the new $HOME out of the way and replace it with your old $HOME, e.g.: # mv /home/dep /home/dep-new # mv /home/dep-save /home/dep 10) reboot + log in
You'd be up and running in ~ 2 hours. Keep in mind, that some of TDEs configs are in /root/.trinity - that's why you need to keep it. Also note that it might be a good idea to change from "sudo" to "doas"-
Nik
thanks in advance.
dep
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