sorry to be jumping from project to project, but i am back working on the geminipda device now. got debian stretch onto it this morning. (the reason i was asking about the ubuntu upgrade last night was that the flashing tools i was using weren't working; oddly, this morning using exactly the same commands -- i scrolled up to them in an xterm -- functioned perfectly, and now i have a tiny computer running debian, with lxqt running atop kwin. clearly none of it has been optimized for touch screen, which makes for some excitement (for those who find screaming and throwing things exciting).
i have no knowledge of lxqt and unless tde uses a lot more resources than lxqt, seems to me tde would be better. so, some questions:
will tdm run acceptably atop kwin, or does it need tdm? also, the hacks the guys have done have established some key bindings that are kind of important, so i'm hoping to disable kde's key bindings at first.
if memory serves, tde responds correctly to DPI settings, which if true is good, because the screen is 2160x1080, which makes for very small -- everything. but the default is something like 450 dpi. half that would be about right. i would install the kde classic icon set in the largest size (i wish that mosfet's theme were still around, but oh, well).
anybody see why this wouldn't work? i know tde is not optimized for a touch screen, but i don't think any linux desktop is.
KDE Plasma Mobile is optimized for touch screens, but is still a work in progress. It would not surprise me to see KDE Plasma Mobile adapted to work on the Gemini PDA. In my experience, TDE is faster than both lxde & lxqt. Your project sounds pretty cool, & in the unlikely event I'm able to afford a Gemini, I would enjoy using TDE or KDE Plasma Mobile on it.
On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:42 AM, dep dep@drippingwithirony.com wrote:
sorry to be jumping from project to project, but i am back working on the geminipda device now. got debian stretch onto it this morning. (the reason i was asking about the ubuntu upgrade last night was that the flashing tools i was using weren't working; oddly, this morning using exactly the same commands -- i scrolled up to them in an xterm -- functioned perfectly, and now i have a tiny computer running debian, with lxqt running atop kwin. clearly none of it has been optimized for touch screen, which makes for some excitement (for those who find screaming and throwing things exciting).
i have no knowledge of lxqt and unless tde uses a lot more resources than lxqt, seems to me tde would be better. so, some questions:
will tdm run acceptably atop kwin, or does it need tdm? also, the hacks the guys have done have established some key bindings that are kind of important, so i'm hoping to disable kde's key bindings at first.
if memory serves, tde responds correctly to DPI settings, which if true is good, because the screen is 2160x1080, which makes for very small -- everything. but the default is something like 450 dpi. half that would be about right. i would install the kde classic icon set in the largest size (i wish that mosfet's theme were still around, but oh, well).
anybody see why this wouldn't work? i know tde is not optimized for a touch screen, but i don't think any linux desktop is.
On May 9, 2018 3:43 PM, deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
elcaseti wrote:
KDE Plasma Mobile is optimized for touch screens
Or the Mer project
mer is all wayland, is it not? sailfish is.
dep
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On May 9, 2018 5:30 PM, deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
dep wrote:
mer is all wayland, is it not? sailfish is.
yes and is working without issues. I don't see the point.
You want a handheld with linux - wayland is the future and qt5 is very good
for that. very good project is mer.
i have no doubt. but i live and work in the present, and mer currently has nothing to offer me. sailfish 3 is supposed to come along this fall, but as far as i can see it is basically a linux distribution capable of running android applications, and if i wanted that i'd just use android.
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dep wrote:
i have no doubt. but i live and work in the present, and mer currently has nothing to offer me. sailfish 3 is supposed to come along this fall, but as far as i can see it is basically a linux distribution capable of running android applications, and if i wanted that i'd just use android.
No, you've got it wrong. Mer is open source project. The android engine is not part of Mer. I think you write/do too much, but think too little. Opposite is better. As an example if you live in the present, why would you use KDE :). IMO Mer is better than KDE.
regards
In the past, KDE could be used with Mer. I'm not sure that has changed.
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 12:08 AM, deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
dep wrote:
i have no doubt. but i live and work in the present, and mer currently
has
nothing to offer me. sailfish 3 is supposed to come along this fall, but as far as i can see it is basically a linux distribution capable of running android applications, and if i wanted that i'd just use android.
No, you've got it wrong. Mer is open source project. The android engine is not part of Mer. I think you write/do too much, but think too little. Opposite is better. As an example if you live in the present, why would you use KDE :). IMO Mer is better than KDE.
regards
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elcaseti wrote:
In the past, KDE could be used with Mer. I'm not sure that has changed.
Might be, the point is, both are qt5 based and so have very good touch screen support. But when you compare the Mer desktop with KDE it is stable. So for me personally KDE failed to deliver again something reliable. It looks almost that they are doing prove of concept or beta testing with KDE. I personally can not imagine waking up in the morning and need to debug something to read mail or so...
regards
On May 9, 2018 3:11 PM, elcaseti elcaseti@gmail.com wrote:
KDE Plasma Mobile is optimized for touch screens, but is still a work in progress. It would not surprise me to see KDE Plasma Mobile adapted to work on the Gemini PDA. In my experience, TDE is faster than both lxde & lxqt. Your project sounds pretty cool, & in the unlikely event I'm able to afford a Gemini, I would enjoy using TDE or KDE Plasma Mobile on it.
The guys developing the Linux for Gemini have done some fine hacks, and it turns out that among the things they've altered fairly extensively is LXQT, so I guess I'm stuck with it for the moment. I did see plasma zoom past this morning when I did an upgrade, so it's here someplace. The default WM is KWin, which is why I asked about it.
It's seriously a work in progress. But it is surprisingly usable, but for the lack of a pointing device. Ah, what I'd give for it to have a little ThinkPad-style nubbins . . .
Now I need to figure out what mail client to use. I haven't a clue -- last one I used before KMail was XFmail, and that was 20 years ago.
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Am Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2018 schrieb dep:
will tdm run acceptably atop kwin, or does it need tdm? also, the hacks the guys have done have established some key bindings that are kind of important, so i'm hoping to disable kde's key bindings at first.
Why should you want to run tdm run ontop of kwin? What I usually do in cases like this: start with clean X and get "some" windowmanager working, in my case fvwm. Then look what is missing - most likely hardware keys linked to acpi and not keyboard, so watch "acpi_listen" and "dmesg -w" for funny things when pressing keys, also "xev". In most cases you do definitly do not want to rely on somebody elses hacks :-)
if memory serves, tde responds correctly to DPI settings, which if true is good, because the screen is 2160x1080, which makes for very small -- everything. but the default is something like 450 dpi. half that would be about right. i would install the kde classic icon set in the largest size (i wish that mosfet's theme were still around, but oh, well).
anybody see why this wouldn't work? i know tde is not optimized for a touch screen, but i don't think any linux desktop is.
Oh, I would not say that. LinuxCNC comes with optimized touch GUIs ... but probably that's not what you are looking for. FVWM has bult in gestures that you could use (but I've never played with that feature).
Nik
dep composed on 2018-05-09 14:42 (UTC-0400):
if memory serves, tde responds correctly to DPI settings, which if true is good, because the screen is 2160x1080, which makes for very small -- everything. but the default is something like 450 dpi. half that would be about right.
I have no complaints from TDE on 2560x1080 anywhere between 96 and 144 DPI. It obeys Xorg DPI.
Mozilla products (as most if not all GTK3 apps) are another matter, unless GTK3 is <3.17 or openSUSE Leap's patched GTK3. When not, Xft.dpi must be forced to the DPI you wish used. If not set at all, upstream 3.17+ forces 96.
DPI in TDE desktop settings uses Xft.dpi as implementation method, but allows no granularity via its UI. Via Xresources there is no such limitation.
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