13 Jan
2011
13 Jan
'11
10:13 p.m.
All,
The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out
which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used
on, so that we may focus our efforts on improving compatibility with those
distributions.
We politely ask that you add your distribution to the informal poll on the
Wiki here:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Community/UsageSurvey2011
If your distribution is already listed, please increment the number of
users for that distribution by one (1). If more than one individual in
your household is using that distribution, please increment the number of
users by the number of users in your household. Also, if you use more
than one distribution, please increment the number of users appropriately
for each distribution in use.
The results of this poll will also help the Trinity development team
decide which distributions are too old or little-used to be supported in
future Trinity release, so please cast your vote if you want to see your
distribution supported in the future.
Thank you,
Timothy Pearson
Trinity Desktop Environment Development Team
13 Jan
13 Jan
10:24 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
Timothy Pearson wrote:
All,
The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out
which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used
on, so that we may focus our efforts on improving compatibility with those
distributions.
We politely ask that you add your distribution to the informal poll on the
Wiki here:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Community/UsageSurvey2011
If your distribution is already listed, please increment the number of
users for that distribution by one (1). If more than one individual in
your household is using that distribution, please increment the number of
users by the number of users in your household. Also, if you use more
than one distribution, please increment the number of users appropriately
for each distribution in use.
The results of this poll will also help the Trinity development team
decide which distributions are too old or little-used to be supported in
future Trinity release, so please cast your vote if you want to see your
distribution supported in the future.
Thank you,
Timothy Pearson
Trinity Desktop Environment Development Team
I'm not going to register to vote, so if you want you can put me down
for "one Squeeze" and "one Lucid".
--
Jimmy Johnson
Ubuntu Lucid and Trinity KDE 3.5.11 - EXT4 at sda10
Registered Linux User #380263
11:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
John A. Sullivan III wrote:
<snip>
Thanks John ! :-)
--
Jimmy Johnson
Ubuntu Lucid and Trinity KDE 3.5.11 - EXT4 at sda10
Registered Linux User #380263
I'm not going to register to vote, so if you
want you can put me down
for "one Squeeze" and "one Lucid".
I'll add them for you - John
10:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
Just an FYI:
I know at least 2 people have been hoping to get this to run on Arch
Linux, but no one's successfully gotten it ported there yet.
DR
On 01/13/2011 05:13 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
All,
The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out
which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used
on, so that we may focus our efforts on improving compatibility with those
distributions.
We politely ask that you add your distribution to the informal poll on the
Wiki here:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Community/UsageSurvey2011
If your distribution is already listed, please increment the number of
users for that distribution by one (1). If more than one individual in
your household is using that distribution, please increment the number of
users by the number of users in your household. Also, if you use more
than one distribution, please increment the number of users appropriately
for each distribution in use.
The results of this poll will also help the Trinity development team
decide which distributions are too old or little-used to be supported in
future Trinity release, so please cast your vote if you want to see your
distribution supported in the future.
Thank you,
Timothy Pearson
Trinity Desktop Environment Development Team
14 Jan
14 Jan
3:01 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
4 Squeeze/Trinity users here to add to the poll.
Squeeze will very soon be released as new Debian stable. Many Lenny KDE
users will dist-upgrade and won't like the result. I ran only Sid for
some years and have experienced that already.
Expect many more!
Thanks Timothy for all your work.
4:21 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On Thu January 13 2011 19:01:09 David Hare wrote:
Squeeze will very soon be released as new Debian
stable. Many Lenny KDE
users will dist-upgrade and won't like the result. I ran only Sid for
some years and have experienced that already.
With the Squeeze release probably a few weeks away, and thousands of
Debian users likely to be looking for a way out of KDE4, is there any
chance of removing the conflicts that prevent a smooth Trinity install?
The main problems seem to be desktop-base-trinity (which conflicts with
desktop-base and therefore with gnome-core and kdm and much more) and
sudo-trinity (which conflicts at the file level with sudo and scares
people - why does a desktop want to replace a key piece of my security
infrastructure?)
I haven't yet been able to figure out the reason for requiring trinitized
versions of these packages.
--Mike Bird
8:17 a.m.
New subject: [Bulk] Re: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 14/01/2011 05:21, Mike Bird wrote:
On Thu January 13 2011 19:01:09 David Hare wrote:
+1
(Your english is far better than mine to complain about this! ;-) )
Maybe sudo-trinity was trinitized as a first way to ensure portability
regardless distro's one (that may be too fresh or too old...?)
I hope this will be fixed soon.
To be honest, when I discovered Trinity I was very happy to be able to
get back to KDE3 under Debian/Squeeze. And then, I asked aptitude to
install Trinity and was close to give up when I read that original sudo
package would be replaced be this "stranger's" sudo-trinity package. I
even ask the debian-user-list about that.
But still, I have no regrets for the moment!
Nicolas
Squeeze will very soon be released as new Debian
stable. Many Lenny KDE
users will dist-upgrade and won't like the result. I ran only Sid for
some years and have experienced that already.
With the Squeeze release probably a few weeks away, and thousands of
Debian users likely to be looking for a way out of KDE4, is there any
chance of removing the conflicts that prevent a smooth Trinity install?
The main problems seem to be desktop-base-trinity (which conflicts with
desktop-base and therefore with gnome-core and kdm and much more) and
sudo-trinity (which conflicts at the file level with sudo and scares
people - why does a desktop want to replace a key piece of my security
infrastructure?)
I haven't yet been able to figure out the reason for requiring trinitized
versions of these packages.
6:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [Bulk] Re: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 14/01/2011 05:21, Mike Bird wrote:
The reason for the third-party sudo is simply to add /opt/kde3/bin and
friends to the built-in RPATH variable, thus allowing Trinity applications
to be launched via "sudo <appname>", instead of "sudo
/opt/trinity/bin/<appname>". That's the only change; if you don't
trust
me grab the source of the official sudo package and the modified one and
run a diff between them. ;-)
As such, installation is optional but highly recommended if you use sudo
often.
A far better method would be to allow a configuration file to add new
paths to an arbitrary location within the RPATH variable (thus not
requiring a recompiled version of sudo), but I don't think that will
happen for a long time, if ever.
Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion!
Tim
On Thu January 13 2011 19:01:09 David Hare
wrote:
+1
(Your english is far better than mine to complain about this! ;-) )
Maybe sudo-trinity was trinitized as a first way to ensure portability
regardless distro's one (that may be too fresh or too old...?)
I hope this will be fixed soon.
To be honest, when I discovered Trinity I was very happy to be able to
get back to KDE3 under Debian/Squeeze. And then, I asked aptitude to
install Trinity and was close to give up when I read that original sudo
package would be replaced be this "stranger's" sudo-trinity package. I
even ask the debian-user-list about that.
But still, I have no regrets for the moment!
Nicolas
Squeeze will very soon be released as new Debian
stable. Many Lenny KDE
users will dist-upgrade and won't like the result. I ran only Sid for
some years and have experienced that already.
With the Squeeze release probably a few weeks away, and thousands of
Debian users likely to be looking for a way out of KDE4, is there any
chance of removing the conflicts that prevent a smooth Trinity install?
The main problems seem to be desktop-base-trinity (which conflicts with
desktop-base and therefore with gnome-core and kdm and much more) and
sudo-trinity (which conflicts at the file level with sudo and scares
people - why does a desktop want to replace a key piece of my security
infrastructure?)
I haven't yet been able to figure out the reason for requiring
trinitized
versions of these packages.
15 Jan
15 Jan
11:47 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [Bulk] Re: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 14/01/2011 19:42, Timothy Pearson wrote:
The reason for the third-party sudo is simply to add
/opt/kde3/bin and
friends to the built-in RPATH variable, thus allowing Trinity applications
to be launched via "sudo<appname>", instead of "sudo
/opt/trinity/bin/<appname>". That's the only change; if you don't
trust
me grab the source of the official sudo package and the modified one and
run a diff between them. ;-)
It's been a while know that I trust you and I'm confident in your
project!
But at first, Trinity was a "non-identified project", that's normal! ;-)
As such, installation is optional but highly
recommended if you use sudo
often.
I do, so I need it.
A far better method would be to allow a configuration
file to add new
paths to an arbitrary location within the RPATH variable (thus not
requiring a recompiled version of sudo), but I don't think that will
happen for a long time, if ever.
Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion!
Yes, thank you for the very clear explanations.
Maybe another to do the job would be to use an alias such as
alias sudo='RPATH=$RPATH:/opt/trinity/bin /usr/bin/sudo'
or something like that...?
Nicolas
7:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [Bulk] Re: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 14/01/2011 19:42, Timothy Pearson wrote:
I wish I could. The problem is that sudo, at least under Ubuntu and if I
remember correctly Debian as well, does not allow any environment variable
or configuration file to change its compiled-in RPATH (probably for
security reasons).
Tim
The reason for the third-party sudo is simply to
add /opt/kde3/bin and
friends to the built-in RPATH variable, thus allowing Trinity
applications
to be launched via "sudo<appname>", instead of "sudo
/opt/trinity/bin/<appname>". That's the only change; if you don't
trust
me grab the source of the official sudo package and the modified one and
run a diff between them. ;-)
It's been a while know that I trust you and I'm confident in your
project!
But at first, Trinity was a "non-identified project", that's normal! ;-)
As such, installation is optional but highly
recommended if you use sudo
often.
I do, so I need it.
A far better method would be to allow a
configuration file to add new
paths to an arbitrary location within the RPATH variable (thus not
requiring a recompiled version of sudo), but I don't think that will
happen for a long time, if ever.
Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion!
Yes, thank you for the very clear explanations.
Maybe another to do the job would be to use an alias such as
alias sudo='RPATH=$RPATH:/opt/trinity/bin /usr/bin/sudo'
or something like that...?
8:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [Bulk] Re: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 01/15/2011 02:51 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
I wish I could. The problem is that sudo, at least
under Ubuntu and if I
remember correctly Debian as well, does not allow any environment variable
or configuration file to change its compiled-in RPATH (probably for
security reasons).
maybe that's why I rarely use sudo ( unless i HAVE to) and always use:
$ su -
the"-" brings in the root variables.. without it, things get screwy..
--
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459
10:06 p.m.
New subject: Is sudo-trinity needed?
On Sat January 15 2011 11:51:01 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I wish I could. The problem is that sudo, at least
under Ubuntu and if I
remember correctly Debian as well, does not allow any environment variable
or configuration file to change its compiled-in RPATH (probably for
security reasons).
Hi Tim,
Did you mean PATH rather than RPATH? This is Debian Squeeze ...
# apt-get install sudo-trinity
<snip>
Setting up sudo-trinity (1.7.2p7-1) ...
# sudo bash
# echo $RPATH
# echo $PATH
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/opt/trinity/bin:/usr/bin:/opt/trinity/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
#
All that seems to have happened is that the default secure_path has been
overriden. This can be overriden in /etc/sudoers without sudo-trinity.
This would allow people to both keep their sudo and keep it up to date.
# apt-get install sudo
<snip>
Setting up sudo (1.7.4p4-2) ...
# man sudo
# sudo bash -c 'echo $PATH'
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
# visudo
# grep secure_path /etc/sudoers
Defaults secure_path
=
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/opt/trinity/bin:/usr/bin:/opt/trinity/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
# sudo bash -c 'echo $PATH'
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/opt/trinity/bin:/usr/bin:/opt/trinity/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
#
--Mike Bird
10:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is sudo-trinity needed?
<snip>
All that seems to have happened is that the default
secure_path has been
overriden. This can be overriden in /etc/sudoers without sudo-trinity.
This would allow people to both keep their sudo and keep it up to date.
</snip>
This is very useful information. Thanks!
Tim
10:52 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is sudo-trinity needed?
Really this su/sudo subject needs it's own thread, it's important but
off-topic of the poll.
Sudo is OK for those who want/need/choose it. However a default to sudo
is one issue that will surely alienate many Debian users considering
Trinity, especially if it's a problem to change. This needs to be sorted
in a way that users can easily choose.
Some here may not remember or not have been around when I raised this
before. It's in the October archives.
My problem was, no Trinity stuff worked without sudo. Klauncher crashed
with "normal" kdesu. I couldn't get a root text editor, konq,
kcontrol......
Anyway I found my own fix and posted it there. I had to purge kdesudo
and change the menus. It might not be a clean fix or I might have missed
something. I actually don't remember what happened about sudo-trinity,
I thought it was replaced by Debian's but I now see an rc config is
still there.
Maybe it was something in sudo-trinity, I never discovered for sure. I
seemed the only one with that issue.
14 Jan
14 Jan
5:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 14/01/11 04:21, Mike Bird wrote:
> The main problems seem to be desktop-base-trinity
(which conflicts with
> desktop-base and therefore with gnome-core and kdm and much more) and
> sudo-trinity (which conflicts at the file level with sudo and scares
> people - why does a desktop want to replace a key piece of my security
> infrastructure?)
>
> I haven't yet been able to figure out the reason for requiring
trinitized
> versions of these packages.
>
> --Mike Bird
>
Sudo-trinity cannot be essential to Trinity as I have neither installed.
Does it get installed as a dep or recommends of a Trinity meta-package?
Debian users traditionally prefer sudo for selective commands only or
not at all, unlike Ubuntu. Sudo from Debian is installed here but I use
only su in the terminal and kdesu (not kdesudo) for a few root X apps,
as described in an earlier post.
I don't know much about desktop-base|desktop-base-trinity. Neither are
installed here. I use a selective Trinity installation on Squeeze with
LXDE also installed. Everything runs fine.
But yes, any core system component from non-Debian sources will worry
Debian traditionalists.
6:16 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On Fri January 14 2011 09:34:19 David Hare wrote:
Sudo-trinity cannot be essential to Trinity as I have
neither installed.
Maybe you have a different version, David. Here's 1.7.2p7-1 in Squeeze ...
# apt-cache show kde-core-trinity
Package: kde-core-trinity
Source: meta-kde-trinity
Priority: optional
Section: kde
Installed-Size: 12
Maintainer: Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
Architecture: all
Version: 5:54
Suggests: kde-i18n-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5)
Depends: arts-trinity (>= 1.5.5), kdebase-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5),
kdelibs-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5), sudo-trinity
Filename: pool/main/m/meta-kde-trinity/kde-core-trinity_54_all.deb
Size: 7552
MD5sum: 7e6aa595ed62fb17f5513f8b4f8b47e8
SHA1: 4d723208305ae020c72c4c51cc94de42d888c5bc
Description: the K Desktop Environment core modules [Trinity]
KDE (the K Desktop Environment) is a powerful Open Source graphical
desktop environment for Unix workstations. It combines ease of use,
contemporary functionality, and outstanding graphical design with the
technological superiority of the Unix operating system.
.
This metapackage includes the core official modules released with KDE. This
includes just the basic desktop (browser, file manager, text editor, control
center, panel, etc.) and important libraries and data, in addition to the
aRts soundserver.
6:29 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 10:16 -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri January 14 2011 09:34:19 David Hare wrote:
I think this is a very important discussion but we have hijacked the
topic. Would someone kindly reopen this discussion under a new thread.
Thanks - John
Sudo-trinity cannot be essential to Trinity as I
have neither installed.
Maybe you have a different version, David. Here's 1.7.2p7-1 in Squeeze ...
# apt-cache show kde-core-trinity
Package: kde-core-trinity
Source: meta-kde-trinity
Priority: optional
Section: kde
Installed-Size: 12
Maintainer: Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
Architecture: all
Version: 5:54
Suggests: kde-i18n-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5)
Depends: arts-trinity (>= 1.5.5), kdebase-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5),
kdelibs-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5), sudo-trinity
Filename: pool/main/m/meta-kde-trinity/kde-core-trinity_54_all.deb
Size: 7552
MD5sum: 7e6aa595ed62fb17f5513f8b4f8b47e8
SHA1: 4d723208305ae020c72c4c51cc94de42d888c5bc
Description: the K Desktop Environment core modules [Trinity]
KDE (the K Desktop Environment) is a powerful Open Source graphical
desktop environment for Unix workstations. It combines ease of use,
contemporary functionality, and outstanding graphical design with the
technological superiority of the Unix operating system.
.
This metapackage includes the core official modules released with KDE. This
includes just the basic desktop (browser, file manager, text editor, control
center, panel, etc.) and important libraries and data, in addition to the
aRts soundserver.
15 Jan
15 Jan
11:52 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 14/01/2011 19:29, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
I think this is a very important discussion but we
have hijacked the
topic. Would someone kindly reopen this discussion under a new thread.
Thanks - John
Toldly right. And... I didn't mentionned it! Oups.
I'm really sorry!
N.
14 Jan
14 Jan
7:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 14/01/11 18:16, Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri January 14 2011 09:34:19 David Hare wrote:
I use my own package "kicklist" to install Trinity.
If I recognise a meta (eg kde-core-trinity) it's off the list.
I originally put the list together from what was in my Lenny install,
before Trinity was done for Debian (I used the Ubuntu packages back
then) That list I still use to keep the bloat down.
dpkg -l | grep kde-core
Definitely not on my system. Everything seems fine without it.
Neither is sudo-trinity, although it was, something else must have
pulled it in. Debian sudo is there now but I don't use sudo.
Sudo-trinity cannot be essential to Trinity as I
have neither installed.
Maybe you have a different version, David. Here's 1.7.2p7-1 in Squeeze ...
# apt-cache show kde-core-trinity
Package: kde-core-trinity
Source: meta-kde-trinity
Priority: optional
Section: kde
Installed-Size: 12
Maintainer: Timothy Pearson<kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
Architecture: all
Version: 5:54
Suggests: kde-i18n-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5)
Depends: arts-trinity (>= 1.5.5), kdebase-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5),
kdelibs-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5), sudo-trinity
Filename: pool/main/m/meta-kde-trinity/kde-core-trinity_54_all.deb
Size: 7552
MD5sum: 7e6aa595ed62fb17f5513f8b4f8b47e8
SHA1: 4d723208305ae020c72c4c51cc94de42d888c5bc
Description: the K Desktop Environment core modules [Trinity]
KDE (the K Desktop Environment) is a powerful Open Source graphical
desktop environment for Unix workstations. It combines ease of use,
contemporary functionality, and outstanding graphical design with the
technological superiority of the Unix operating system.
.
This metapackage includes the core official modules released with KDE. This
includes just the basic desktop (browser, file manager, text editor, control
center, panel, etc.) and important libraries and data, in addition to the
aRts soundserver.
8:33 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On Fri January 14 2011 11:59:43 David Hare wrote:
I use my own package "kicklist" to install
Trinity.
If I recognise a meta (eg kde-core-trinity) it's off the list.
Thanks David!
We too use our own kicklist/seedlist to work around
such conflicts but somehow I had failed to notice
that kde-core-trinity was meta. This helps a lot.
In any event, it would be great if the desktop-base and
sudo issues could be resolved so that people can migrate
smoothly from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity.
--Mike Bird
8:53 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 01/14/2011 03:33 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
In any event, it would be great if the desktop-base
and
sudo issues could be resolved so that people can migrate
smoothly from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity.
--Mike Bird
+1
yes! I installed (fresh) Debian Squeeze on my laptop to run trinity. My
desktop is Lenny, and I can't really upgrade to squeeze because my wife
uses kde3..
--
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459
9:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
In any event, it would be great if the desktop-base
and
sudo issues could be resolved so that people can migrate
smoothly from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity.
--Mike Bird
A smooth upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity is probably not
possible. If you don't purge all kde stuff first kaboom will strike.
10:35 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 01/14/2011 04:04 PM, David Hare wrote:
A smooth upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity is probably not
possible. If you don't purge all kde stuff first kaboom will strike.
ouch.. so it would go something like:
#apt-get purge kde-desktop kdm
#apt-get update
#apt-get dist-upgrade
#apt-get install a bunch of trinity packages I can't name right now...
where does that leave my old kmail/iceweasel personal configurations?
--
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459
10:48 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On Fri January 14 2011 14:35:53 paul wrote:
ouch.. so it would go something like:
#apt-get purge kde-desktop kdm
#apt-get update
#apt-get dist-upgrade
#apt-get install a bunch of trinity packages I can't name right now...
where does that leave my old kmail/iceweasel personal configurations?
Your iceweasel config is safe and happy in ~/.mozilla.
Your kmail etc configs can be migrated with just:
cp -a ~/.kde ~/.trinity
Some people rename .kde to .trinity but a copy is better although
it wastes a little disk space. A symlink might work but I haven't
tried it.
There are a couple of problems with the "install a bunch of trinity
packages" step which we're currently discussing on this list.
--Mike Bird
11:06 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 01/14/2011 05:48 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
Your iceweasel config is safe and happy in ~/.mozilla.
good! probably same with thunderbird.. ( MY email)
Your kmail etc configs can be migrated with just:
cp -a ~/.kde ~/.trinity
yeah, that is the step.. I made the mistake of
installing trinity on my
desktop lenny box, logged my wife in, and her kmail was EMPTY. I
panicked & removed trinity. So I installed squeeze on my laptop &
installed trinity there to try it out.
Some people rename .kde to .trinity but a copy is
better although
it wastes a little disk space. A symlink might work but I haven't
tried it.
There are a couple of problems with the "install a bunch of trinity
packages" step which we're currently discussing on this list.
yes, and I've been reading!
--
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459
11:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 14/01/11 22:35, paul wrote:
On 01/14/2011 04:04 PM, David Hare wrote:
A smooth upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity is probably not
possible. If you don't purge all kde stuff first kaboom will strike.
ouch.. so it would go something like:
#apt-get purge kde-desktop kdm
#apt-get update
#apt-get dist-upgrade
#apt-get install a bunch of trinity packages I can't name right now...
where does that leave my old kmail/iceweasel personal configurations?
--
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459
You can reuse a compete iceweasel profile from your backup of
/home/user(s) I share one profile with my "old lenny", it just gripes
about extensions sometimes.
I don't know kmail, maybe similar.
dpkg -l | grep kde > kde.list
writes a list of installed kde3 stuff. Most Trinity packages have the
same name with a -trinity suffix, compare with what's in Trinity repos.
You can edit the list and pass it to apt.
There are a few other steps before upgrading Lenny e.g. a later kernel
A clean base install might be easier.
15 Jan
15 Jan
3:12 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 01/14/2011 06:13 PM, David Hare wrote:
dpkg -l | grep kde > kde.list
nice, good
idea!!
writes a list of installed kde3 stuff. Most Trinity packages have the
same name with a -trinity suffix, compare with what's in Trinity
repos. You can edit the list and pass it to apt.
There are a few other steps before upgrading Lenny e.g. a later kernel
A clean base install might be easier.
well, I do have a separate /home, but
I'd hate to have to reinstall all
the apps that I have intalled. Lots of them are custom installed
PAINFULLY... ( ./configure, make....) and some I'd have to go find the
original app again..
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Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459
12:01 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 15/01/2011 00:13, David Hare wrote:
There are a few other steps before upgrading Lenny
e.g. a later kernel
Don't forget to upgrade aptitude and dpkg before upgrading
lenny to squeeze.
As far as I understand this is because some squeeze packages needs new
features of squeeze's aptitude that lenny's one don't have. Quite
logical, but still important!
N.
12:17 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 01/15/2011 07:01 AM, Nicolas BERCHER wrote:
not sure I understand what you mean. I always keep my system updated(
lenny) using aptitude update/aptitude upgrade.
how do yo upgrade aptitude & dpkg before upgrading to squeeze?
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Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459
There are a
few other steps before upgrading Lenny e.g. a later kernel
Don't forget to
upgrade aptitude and dpkg before upgrading lenny to
squeeze.
As far as I understand this is because some squeeze packages needs new
features of squeeze's aptitude that lenny's one don't have. Quite
logical, but still important!
14 Jan
14 Jan
11:05 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On Fri January 14 2011 13:04:12 David Hare wrote:
A smooth upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity
is probably not
possible. If you don't purge all kde stuff first kaboom will strike.
We've had successful upgrades by first upgrading to Squeeze, then
adding Trinity, and then removing KDE4. There are the same few
conflict hiccups as any other route, but the configs seems to come
over just fine. In Debian at least "kaboom" seems to migrate from
~/.kde to ~/.kde4 without damaging the originals.
--Mike Bird
15 Jan
15 Jan
11:57 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On 14/01/2011 22:04, David Hare wrote:
A smooth upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity is probably not
possible. If you don't purge all kde stuff first kaboom will strike.
I hope I'm understanding well...
I dist-upgraded my lenny/testing/sid distro to squeeze: as I had KDE3, I
got KDE4, then I tried to use it a couple of days... I failed. So, I
googled for "KDE3 fork" and luckily found Trinity. I installed it and
now, I have both KDE4 and Trinity installed together, no matter with
that, except that I have to take care about my PATH to launch Trinity
apps and not KDE4 ones (the opposite is also true since I use Amarok2...)
Nicolas.
1:29 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll - Changed to: Debian Install
Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri January 14 2011 11:59:43 David Hare wrote:
I agree, as a Ubuntu user sudo is fine, but, get the sudo out of Debian!
Debian Users use 'su' or 'kdesu' or 'gksu', they don't use
sudo and
Trinity is not going over well with the Debian User, if you guys want to
have sudo in Debian then have fun playing with yourselves, it just not
the Debian way.
--
Jimmy Johnson
SimplyMEPIS 8.5.03 EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263
I use my own package "kicklist" to
install Trinity.
If I recognise a meta (eg kde-core-trinity) it's off the list.
Thanks David!
We too use our own kicklist/seedlist to work around
such conflicts but somehow I had failed to notice
that kde-core-trinity was meta. This helps a lot.
In any event, it would be great if the desktop-base and
sudo issues could be resolved so that people can migrate
smoothly from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity.
--Mike Bird
14 Jan
14 Jan
7:12 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
14 Ocak 2011 Cuma günü (saat 00:13:16) Timothy Pearson şunları yazmıştı:
All,
The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out
which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used
on ...
According to the above sentence, I added Pardus Corporate 2 to the list. We
have finished compiling all packages a few days ago and now we are testing it.
For now, Trinity is not in Corporate 2's repositories but we hope it will be
soon.
8:10 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
Hi Timothy,
I'm using Trinity 3.5.11 with Kubuntu 10.04
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11:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Timothy Pearson <
kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
All,
The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out
which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used
on, so that we may focus our efforts on improving compatibility with those
distributions.
We politely ask that you add your distribution to the informal poll on the
Wiki here:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Community/UsageSurvey2011
I'm not going to register either, got 9 million logins/passwords to keep
track of as it is :-(.
You can add two machines using: Ubuntu Maverick 10.10
Thanks!
17 Jan
17 Jan
6:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Usage Poll
I choose my distribution based upon what well supports Trinity.
That is why I do not use the Exherbos distribution.
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