All,
The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used on, so that we may focus our efforts on improving compatibility with those distributions.
We politely ask that you add your distribution to the informal poll on the Wiki here: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Community/UsageSurvey2011
If your distribution is already listed, please increment the number of users for that distribution by one (1). If more than one individual in your household is using that distribution, please increment the number of users by the number of users in your household. Also, if you use more than one distribution, please increment the number of users appropriately for each distribution in use.
The results of this poll will also help the Trinity development team decide which distributions are too old or little-used to be supported in future Trinity release, so please cast your vote if you want to see your distribution supported in the future.
Thank you,
Timothy Pearson Trinity Desktop Environment Development Team
Timothy Pearson wrote:
All,
The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used on, so that we may focus our efforts on improving compatibility with those distributions.
We politely ask that you add your distribution to the informal poll on the Wiki here: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Community/UsageSurvey2011
If your distribution is already listed, please increment the number of users for that distribution by one (1). If more than one individual in your household is using that distribution, please increment the number of users by the number of users in your household. Also, if you use more than one distribution, please increment the number of users appropriately for each distribution in use.
The results of this poll will also help the Trinity development team decide which distributions are too old or little-used to be supported in future Trinity release, so please cast your vote if you want to see your distribution supported in the future.
Thank you,
Timothy Pearson Trinity Desktop Environment Development Team
I'm not going to register to vote, so if you want you can put me down for "one Squeeze" and "one Lucid".
John A. Sullivan III wrote:
<snip>
I'm not going to register to vote, so if you want you can put me down for "one Squeeze" and "one Lucid".
I'll add them for you - John
Thanks John ! :-)
Just an FYI:
I know at least 2 people have been hoping to get this to run on Arch Linux, but no one's successfully gotten it ported there yet.
DR
On 01/13/2011 05:13 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
All,
The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used on, so that we may focus our efforts on improving compatibility with those distributions.
We politely ask that you add your distribution to the informal poll on the Wiki here: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Community/UsageSurvey2011
If your distribution is already listed, please increment the number of users for that distribution by one (1). If more than one individual in your household is using that distribution, please increment the number of users by the number of users in your household. Also, if you use more than one distribution, please increment the number of users appropriately for each distribution in use.
The results of this poll will also help the Trinity development team decide which distributions are too old or little-used to be supported in future Trinity release, so please cast your vote if you want to see your distribution supported in the future.
Thank you,
Timothy Pearson Trinity Desktop Environment Development Team
4 Squeeze/Trinity users here to add to the poll.
Squeeze will very soon be released as new Debian stable. Many Lenny KDE users will dist-upgrade and won't like the result. I ran only Sid for some years and have experienced that already.
Expect many more!
Thanks Timothy for all your work.
On Thu January 13 2011 19:01:09 David Hare wrote:
Squeeze will very soon be released as new Debian stable. Many Lenny KDE users will dist-upgrade and won't like the result. I ran only Sid for some years and have experienced that already.
With the Squeeze release probably a few weeks away, and thousands of Debian users likely to be looking for a way out of KDE4, is there any chance of removing the conflicts that prevent a smooth Trinity install?
The main problems seem to be desktop-base-trinity (which conflicts with desktop-base and therefore with gnome-core and kdm and much more) and sudo-trinity (which conflicts at the file level with sudo and scares people - why does a desktop want to replace a key piece of my security infrastructure?)
I haven't yet been able to figure out the reason for requiring trinitized versions of these packages.
--Mike Bird
On 14/01/2011 05:21, Mike Bird wrote:
On Thu January 13 2011 19:01:09 David Hare wrote:
Squeeze will very soon be released as new Debian stable. Many Lenny KDE users will dist-upgrade and won't like the result. I ran only Sid for some years and have experienced that already.
With the Squeeze release probably a few weeks away, and thousands of Debian users likely to be looking for a way out of KDE4, is there any chance of removing the conflicts that prevent a smooth Trinity install?
The main problems seem to be desktop-base-trinity (which conflicts with desktop-base and therefore with gnome-core and kdm and much more) and sudo-trinity (which conflicts at the file level with sudo and scares people - why does a desktop want to replace a key piece of my security infrastructure?)
I haven't yet been able to figure out the reason for requiring trinitized versions of these packages.
+1 (Your english is far better than mine to complain about this! ;-) ) Maybe sudo-trinity was trinitized as a first way to ensure portability regardless distro's one (that may be too fresh or too old...?)
I hope this will be fixed soon. To be honest, when I discovered Trinity I was very happy to be able to get back to KDE3 under Debian/Squeeze. And then, I asked aptitude to install Trinity and was close to give up when I read that original sudo package would be replaced be this "stranger's" sudo-trinity package. I even ask the debian-user-list about that.
But still, I have no regrets for the moment!
Nicolas
On 14/01/2011 05:21, Mike Bird wrote:
On Thu January 13 2011 19:01:09 David Hare wrote:
Squeeze will very soon be released as new Debian stable. Many Lenny KDE users will dist-upgrade and won't like the result. I ran only Sid for some years and have experienced that already.
With the Squeeze release probably a few weeks away, and thousands of Debian users likely to be looking for a way out of KDE4, is there any chance of removing the conflicts that prevent a smooth Trinity install?
The main problems seem to be desktop-base-trinity (which conflicts with desktop-base and therefore with gnome-core and kdm and much more) and sudo-trinity (which conflicts at the file level with sudo and scares people - why does a desktop want to replace a key piece of my security infrastructure?)
I haven't yet been able to figure out the reason for requiring trinitized versions of these packages.
+1 (Your english is far better than mine to complain about this! ;-) ) Maybe sudo-trinity was trinitized as a first way to ensure portability regardless distro's one (that may be too fresh or too old...?)
I hope this will be fixed soon. To be honest, when I discovered Trinity I was very happy to be able to get back to KDE3 under Debian/Squeeze. And then, I asked aptitude to install Trinity and was close to give up when I read that original sudo package would be replaced be this "stranger's" sudo-trinity package. I even ask the debian-user-list about that.
But still, I have no regrets for the moment!
Nicolas
The reason for the third-party sudo is simply to add /opt/kde3/bin and friends to the built-in RPATH variable, thus allowing Trinity applications to be launched via "sudo <appname>", instead of "sudo /opt/trinity/bin/<appname>". That's the only change; if you don't trust me grab the source of the official sudo package and the modified one and run a diff between them. ;-)
As such, installation is optional but highly recommended if you use sudo often.
A far better method would be to allow a configuration file to add new paths to an arbitrary location within the RPATH variable (thus not requiring a recompiled version of sudo), but I don't think that will happen for a long time, if ever.
Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion!
Tim
On 14/01/2011 19:42, Timothy Pearson wrote:
The reason for the third-party sudo is simply to add /opt/kde3/bin and friends to the built-in RPATH variable, thus allowing Trinity applications to be launched via "sudo<appname>", instead of "sudo /opt/trinity/bin/<appname>". That's the only change; if you don't trust me grab the source of the official sudo package and the modified one and run a diff between them. ;-)
It's been a while know that I trust you and I'm confident in your project! But at first, Trinity was a "non-identified project", that's normal! ;-)
As such, installation is optional but highly recommended if you use sudo often.
I do, so I need it.
A far better method would be to allow a configuration file to add new paths to an arbitrary location within the RPATH variable (thus not requiring a recompiled version of sudo), but I don't think that will happen for a long time, if ever.
Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion!
Yes, thank you for the very clear explanations. Maybe another to do the job would be to use an alias such as alias sudo='RPATH=$RPATH:/opt/trinity/bin /usr/bin/sudo' or something like that...?
Nicolas
On 14/01/2011 19:42, Timothy Pearson wrote:
The reason for the third-party sudo is simply to add /opt/kde3/bin and friends to the built-in RPATH variable, thus allowing Trinity applications to be launched via "sudo<appname>", instead of "sudo /opt/trinity/bin/<appname>". That's the only change; if you don't trust me grab the source of the official sudo package and the modified one and run a diff between them. ;-)
It's been a while know that I trust you and I'm confident in your project! But at first, Trinity was a "non-identified project", that's normal! ;-)
As such, installation is optional but highly recommended if you use sudo often.
I do, so I need it.
A far better method would be to allow a configuration file to add new paths to an arbitrary location within the RPATH variable (thus not requiring a recompiled version of sudo), but I don't think that will happen for a long time, if ever.
Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion!
Yes, thank you for the very clear explanations. Maybe another to do the job would be to use an alias such as alias sudo='RPATH=$RPATH:/opt/trinity/bin /usr/bin/sudo' or something like that...?
I wish I could. The problem is that sudo, at least under Ubuntu and if I remember correctly Debian as well, does not allow any environment variable or configuration file to change its compiled-in RPATH (probably for security reasons).
Tim
On 01/15/2011 02:51 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
I wish I could. The problem is that sudo, at least under Ubuntu and if I remember correctly Debian as well, does not allow any environment variable or configuration file to change its compiled-in RPATH (probably for security reasons).
maybe that's why I rarely use sudo ( unless i HAVE to) and always use: $ su -
the"-" brings in the root variables.. without it, things get screwy..
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459
On Sat January 15 2011 11:51:01 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I wish I could. The problem is that sudo, at least under Ubuntu and if I remember correctly Debian as well, does not allow any environment variable or configuration file to change its compiled-in RPATH (probably for security reasons).
Hi Tim,
Did you mean PATH rather than RPATH? This is Debian Squeeze ...
# apt-get install sudo-trinity <snip> Setting up sudo-trinity (1.7.2p7-1) ... # sudo bash # echo $RPATH
# echo $PATH /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/opt/trinity/bin:/usr/bin:/opt/trinity/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin #
All that seems to have happened is that the default secure_path has been overriden. This can be overriden in /etc/sudoers without sudo-trinity. This would allow people to both keep their sudo and keep it up to date.
# apt-get install sudo <snip> Setting up sudo (1.7.4p4-2) ... # man sudo # sudo bash -c 'echo $PATH' /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin # visudo # grep secure_path /etc/sudoers Defaults secure_path = /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/opt/trinity/bin:/usr/bin:/opt/trinity/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin # sudo bash -c 'echo $PATH' /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/opt/trinity/bin:/usr/bin:/opt/trinity/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin #
--Mike Bird
<snip>
All that seems to have happened is that the default secure_path has been overriden. This can be overriden in /etc/sudoers without sudo-trinity. This would allow people to both keep their sudo and keep it up to date.
</snip>
This is very useful information. Thanks!
Tim
Really this su/sudo subject needs it's own thread, it's important but off-topic of the poll.
Sudo is OK for those who want/need/choose it. However a default to sudo is one issue that will surely alienate many Debian users considering Trinity, especially if it's a problem to change. This needs to be sorted in a way that users can easily choose.
Some here may not remember or not have been around when I raised this before. It's in the October archives.
My problem was, no Trinity stuff worked without sudo. Klauncher crashed with "normal" kdesu. I couldn't get a root text editor, konq, kcontrol......
Anyway I found my own fix and posted it there. I had to purge kdesudo and change the menus. It might not be a clean fix or I might have missed something. I actually don't remember what happened about sudo-trinity, I thought it was replaced by Debian's but I now see an rc config is still there.
Maybe it was something in sudo-trinity, I never discovered for sure. I seemed the only one with that issue.
On 14/01/11 04:21, Mike Bird wrote:
The main problems seem to be desktop-base-trinity (which conflicts with desktop-base and therefore with gnome-core and kdm and much more) and sudo-trinity (which conflicts at the file level with sudo and scares people - why does a desktop want to replace a key piece of my security infrastructure?)
I haven't yet been able to figure out the reason for requiring
trinitized
versions of these packages.
--Mike Bird
Sudo-trinity cannot be essential to Trinity as I have neither installed.
Does it get installed as a dep or recommends of a Trinity meta-package?
Debian users traditionally prefer sudo for selective commands only or not at all, unlike Ubuntu. Sudo from Debian is installed here but I use only su in the terminal and kdesu (not kdesudo) for a few root X apps, as described in an earlier post.
I don't know much about desktop-base|desktop-base-trinity. Neither are installed here. I use a selective Trinity installation on Squeeze with LXDE also installed. Everything runs fine.
But yes, any core system component from non-Debian sources will worry Debian traditionalists.
On Fri January 14 2011 09:34:19 David Hare wrote:
Sudo-trinity cannot be essential to Trinity as I have neither installed.
Maybe you have a different version, David. Here's 1.7.2p7-1 in Squeeze ...
# apt-cache show kde-core-trinity Package: kde-core-trinity Source: meta-kde-trinity Priority: optional Section: kde Installed-Size: 12 Maintainer: Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net Architecture: all Version: 5:54 Suggests: kde-i18n-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5) Depends: arts-trinity (>= 1.5.5), kdebase-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5), kdelibs-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5), sudo-trinity Filename: pool/main/m/meta-kde-trinity/kde-core-trinity_54_all.deb Size: 7552 MD5sum: 7e6aa595ed62fb17f5513f8b4f8b47e8 SHA1: 4d723208305ae020c72c4c51cc94de42d888c5bc Description: the K Desktop Environment core modules [Trinity] KDE (the K Desktop Environment) is a powerful Open Source graphical desktop environment for Unix workstations. It combines ease of use, contemporary functionality, and outstanding graphical design with the technological superiority of the Unix operating system. . This metapackage includes the core official modules released with KDE. This includes just the basic desktop (browser, file manager, text editor, control center, panel, etc.) and important libraries and data, in addition to the aRts soundserver.
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 10:16 -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri January 14 2011 09:34:19 David Hare wrote:
Sudo-trinity cannot be essential to Trinity as I have neither installed.
Maybe you have a different version, David. Here's 1.7.2p7-1 in Squeeze ...
# apt-cache show kde-core-trinity Package: kde-core-trinity Source: meta-kde-trinity Priority: optional Section: kde Installed-Size: 12 Maintainer: Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net Architecture: all Version: 5:54 Suggests: kde-i18n-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5) Depends: arts-trinity (>= 1.5.5), kdebase-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5), kdelibs-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5), sudo-trinity Filename: pool/main/m/meta-kde-trinity/kde-core-trinity_54_all.deb Size: 7552 MD5sum: 7e6aa595ed62fb17f5513f8b4f8b47e8 SHA1: 4d723208305ae020c72c4c51cc94de42d888c5bc Description: the K Desktop Environment core modules [Trinity] KDE (the K Desktop Environment) is a powerful Open Source graphical desktop environment for Unix workstations. It combines ease of use, contemporary functionality, and outstanding graphical design with the technological superiority of the Unix operating system. . This metapackage includes the core official modules released with KDE. This includes just the basic desktop (browser, file manager, text editor, control center, panel, etc.) and important libraries and data, in addition to the aRts soundserver.
I think this is a very important discussion but we have hijacked the topic. Would someone kindly reopen this discussion under a new thread. Thanks - John
On 14/01/2011 19:29, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
I think this is a very important discussion but we have hijacked the topic. Would someone kindly reopen this discussion under a new thread. Thanks - John
Toldly right. And... I didn't mentionned it! Oups. I'm really sorry! N.
On 14/01/11 18:16, Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri January 14 2011 09:34:19 David Hare wrote:
Sudo-trinity cannot be essential to Trinity as I have neither installed.
Maybe you have a different version, David. Here's 1.7.2p7-1 in Squeeze ...
# apt-cache show kde-core-trinity Package: kde-core-trinity Source: meta-kde-trinity Priority: optional Section: kde Installed-Size: 12 Maintainer: Timothy Pearsonkb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net Architecture: all Version: 5:54 Suggests: kde-i18n-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5) Depends: arts-trinity (>= 1.5.5), kdebase-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5), kdelibs-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5), sudo-trinity Filename: pool/main/m/meta-kde-trinity/kde-core-trinity_54_all.deb Size: 7552 MD5sum: 7e6aa595ed62fb17f5513f8b4f8b47e8 SHA1: 4d723208305ae020c72c4c51cc94de42d888c5bc Description: the K Desktop Environment core modules [Trinity] KDE (the K Desktop Environment) is a powerful Open Source graphical desktop environment for Unix workstations. It combines ease of use, contemporary functionality, and outstanding graphical design with the technological superiority of the Unix operating system. . This metapackage includes the core official modules released with KDE. This includes just the basic desktop (browser, file manager, text editor, control center, panel, etc.) and important libraries and data, in addition to the aRts soundserver.
I use my own package "kicklist" to install Trinity.
If I recognise a meta (eg kde-core-trinity) it's off the list.
I originally put the list together from what was in my Lenny install, before Trinity was done for Debian (I used the Ubuntu packages back then) That list I still use to keep the bloat down.
dpkg -l | grep kde-core
Definitely not on my system. Everything seems fine without it.
Neither is sudo-trinity, although it was, something else must have pulled it in. Debian sudo is there now but I don't use sudo.
On Fri January 14 2011 11:59:43 David Hare wrote:
I use my own package "kicklist" to install Trinity.
If I recognise a meta (eg kde-core-trinity) it's off the list.
Thanks David!
We too use our own kicklist/seedlist to work around such conflicts but somehow I had failed to notice that kde-core-trinity was meta. This helps a lot.
In any event, it would be great if the desktop-base and sudo issues could be resolved so that people can migrate smoothly from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity.
--Mike Bird
On 01/14/2011 03:33 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
In any event, it would be great if the desktop-base and sudo issues could be resolved so that people can migrate smoothly from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity.
--Mike Bird
+1 yes! I installed (fresh) Debian Squeeze on my laptop to run trinity. My desktop is Lenny, and I can't really upgrade to squeeze because my wife uses kde3..
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459
In any event, it would be great if the desktop-base and sudo issues could be resolved so that people can migrate smoothly from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity.
--Mike Bird
A smooth upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity is probably not possible. If you don't purge all kde stuff first kaboom will strike.
On 01/14/2011 04:04 PM, David Hare wrote:
A smooth upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity is probably not possible. If you don't purge all kde stuff first kaboom will strike.
ouch.. so it would go something like: #apt-get purge kde-desktop kdm #apt-get update #apt-get dist-upgrade #apt-get install a bunch of trinity packages I can't name right now... where does that leave my old kmail/iceweasel personal configurations?
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459
On Fri January 14 2011 14:35:53 paul wrote:
ouch.. so it would go something like: #apt-get purge kde-desktop kdm #apt-get update #apt-get dist-upgrade #apt-get install a bunch of trinity packages I can't name right now... where does that leave my old kmail/iceweasel personal configurations?
Your iceweasel config is safe and happy in ~/.mozilla.
Your kmail etc configs can be migrated with just:
cp -a ~/.kde ~/.trinity
Some people rename .kde to .trinity but a copy is better although it wastes a little disk space. A symlink might work but I haven't tried it.
There are a couple of problems with the "install a bunch of trinity packages" step which we're currently discussing on this list.
--Mike Bird
On 01/14/2011 05:48 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
Your iceweasel config is safe and happy in ~/.mozilla.
good! probably same with thunderbird.. ( MY email)
Your kmail etc configs can be migrated with just:
cp -a ~/.kde ~/.trinity
yeah, that is the step.. I made the mistake of installing trinity on my desktop lenny box, logged my wife in, and her kmail was EMPTY. I panicked & removed trinity. So I installed squeeze on my laptop & installed trinity there to try it out.
Some people rename .kde to .trinity but a copy is better although it wastes a little disk space. A symlink might work but I haven't tried it.
There are a couple of problems with the "install a bunch of trinity packages" step which we're currently discussing on this list.
yes, and I've been reading!
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459
On 14/01/11 22:35, paul wrote:
On 01/14/2011 04:04 PM, David Hare wrote:
A smooth upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity is probably not possible. If you don't purge all kde stuff first kaboom will strike.
ouch.. so it would go something like: #apt-get purge kde-desktop kdm #apt-get update #apt-get dist-upgrade #apt-get install a bunch of trinity packages I can't name right now... where does that leave my old kmail/iceweasel personal configurations?
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459
You can reuse a compete iceweasel profile from your backup of /home/user(s) I share one profile with my "old lenny", it just gripes about extensions sometimes. I don't know kmail, maybe similar.
dpkg -l | grep kde > kde.list
writes a list of installed kde3 stuff. Most Trinity packages have the same name with a -trinity suffix, compare with what's in Trinity repos. You can edit the list and pass it to apt.
There are a few other steps before upgrading Lenny e.g. a later kernel
A clean base install might be easier.
On 01/14/2011 06:13 PM, David Hare wrote:
dpkg -l | grep kde > kde.list
nice, good idea!!
writes a list of installed kde3 stuff. Most Trinity packages have the same name with a -trinity suffix, compare with what's in Trinity repos. You can edit the list and pass it to apt.
There are a few other steps before upgrading Lenny e.g. a later kernel
A clean base install might be easier.
well, I do have a separate /home, but I'd hate to have to reinstall all the apps that I have intalled. Lots of them are custom installed PAINFULLY... ( ./configure, make....) and some I'd have to go find the original app again..
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459
On 15/01/2011 00:13, David Hare wrote:
There are a few other steps before upgrading Lenny e.g. a later kernel
Don't forget to upgrade aptitude and dpkg before upgrading lenny to squeeze. As far as I understand this is because some squeeze packages needs new features of squeeze's aptitude that lenny's one don't have. Quite logical, but still important! N.
On 01/15/2011 07:01 AM, Nicolas BERCHER wrote:
There are a few other steps before upgrading Lenny e.g. a later kernel
Don't forget to upgrade aptitude and dpkg before upgrading lenny to squeeze. As far as I understand this is because some squeeze packages needs new features of squeeze's aptitude that lenny's one don't have. Quite logical, but still important!
not sure I understand what you mean. I always keep my system updated( lenny) using aptitude update/aptitude upgrade. how do yo upgrade aptitude & dpkg before upgrading to squeeze?
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459
On Fri January 14 2011 13:04:12 David Hare wrote:
A smooth upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity is probably not possible. If you don't purge all kde stuff first kaboom will strike.
We've had successful upgrades by first upgrading to Squeeze, then adding Trinity, and then removing KDE4. There are the same few conflict hiccups as any other route, but the configs seems to come over just fine. In Debian at least "kaboom" seems to migrate from ~/.kde to ~/.kde4 without damaging the originals.
--Mike Bird
On 14/01/2011 22:04, David Hare wrote:
A smooth upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity is probably not possible. If you don't purge all kde stuff first kaboom will strike.
I hope I'm understanding well... I dist-upgraded my lenny/testing/sid distro to squeeze: as I had KDE3, I got KDE4, then I tried to use it a couple of days... I failed. So, I googled for "KDE3 fork" and luckily found Trinity. I installed it and now, I have both KDE4 and Trinity installed together, no matter with that, except that I have to take care about my PATH to launch Trinity apps and not KDE4 ones (the opposite is also true since I use Amarok2...)
Nicolas.
Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri January 14 2011 11:59:43 David Hare wrote:
I use my own package "kicklist" to install Trinity.
If I recognise a meta (eg kde-core-trinity) it's off the list.
Thanks David!
We too use our own kicklist/seedlist to work around such conflicts but somehow I had failed to notice that kde-core-trinity was meta. This helps a lot.
In any event, it would be great if the desktop-base and sudo issues could be resolved so that people can migrate smoothly from Debian Lenny to Squeeze+Trinity.
--Mike Bird
I agree, as a Ubuntu user sudo is fine, but, get the sudo out of Debian!
Debian Users use 'su' or 'kdesu' or 'gksu', they don't use sudo and Trinity is not going over well with the Debian User, if you guys want to have sudo in Debian then have fun playing with yourselves, it just not the Debian way.
14 Ocak 2011 Cuma günü (saat 00:13:16) Timothy Pearson şunları yazmıştı:
All,
The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used on ...
According to the above sentence, I added Pardus Corporate 2 to the list. We have finished compiling all packages a few days ago and now we are testing it. For now, Trinity is not in Corporate 2's repositories but we hope it will be soon.
Hi Timothy, I'm using Trinity 3.5.11 with Kubuntu 10.04
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Timothy Pearson < kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
All,
The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used on, so that we may focus our efforts on improving compatibility with those distributions.
We politely ask that you add your distribution to the informal poll on the Wiki here: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Community/UsageSurvey2011
I'm not going to register either, got 9 million logins/passwords to keep track of as it is :-(.
You can add two machines using: Ubuntu Maverick 10.10
Thanks!
I choose my distribution based upon what well supports Trinity. That is why I do not use the Exherbos distribution.
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