Marvin Jones wrote: I agree in some extent it might be true, but in reality Linux hit the Windows and other servers market heavily. They can not forgive. I also heard there are Linux hater groups inside Microsoft and other corporation. I am unsatisfied with the development of Linux in the past 10yeayrs - looks like the new generation has a different point of view on how things should go ... but this is also ok. One gets older anyway regards

On Saturday 22 September 2018 18:30:20 deloptes wrote: Linux represents more than 60% on the professionnal market servers. Now, all the super calculators are on Linux. Microsoft has lost the professionnal market and the mobile market, for Android at 95%. It's why, it hates Linux and the openssource, tries, to come back on the cloud, to have now friendly relations with the opensource environment, and declares that it is "the champion of the Opensource" (sic), (opensummit exhibition in Paris since more than 5 years, it says and writes that). In the general public market (the people), Linux has a weak part, about 3% (Apple 10%, Windows 85%) and I'm asking why ? Maybe Linux is a little bit too complex, the tying practice, computers sold with Windows pre-installed, that is a shame, and in most of schools, the computers are on Windows (a shame again). Microsoft has given a lot of money to the french national education ministry, to keep Windows in the french schools (shame number 3), (a child always keeps all his life in memory what he learned young, and microsoft knows that very well. A practice of microsoft also in european countries and in many ministries... They invest money to keep the market (shame number 4). Android is a Linux system and nobody has difficulties on it, said Linus Torvalds. My daughter has learned computing on Linux, now she is 18 years old and continues on Linux Debian with Trinity Desktop. Anyway, I prefer Linux and will never come back to windows ! André

On 2018-09-22 14:00:07 andre_debian(a)numericable.fr wrote: I think that, at first, the desktop environments on Linux were sort of an afterthought, and for quite a long time there were a lot of components that could only be managed from the command line, even after KDE and Gnome were available; this turned off many of the Windows and Mac users who had difficulty or disliked using the command line, having grown used to the point-and-click environment. More recently, though the command line is no longer quite as necessary, the desktop environments have become more diverse in their approach to making applications available to the user, more difficult to configure (e.g. KDE4, Plasma), or provide "features" that are unwanted (e.g. Ubuntu Unity's Shopping Lens). Really? Or is it just that there's nobody listening to their complaints? Agreed. Leslie

On 2018-09-22 18:14:19 deloptes wrote: Looking back, I realize that wonderful automatic indexing feature was probably the thing that drove me away from KDE4; and KDE users are still complaining about it, and the developers still refuse to provide an Off switch for it. :-( (I must confess that I subscribe to the KDE4 and Plasma lists just so I can watch the on-going train wreck.) :-)