My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having seen my occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my OpenSuSE machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some exposure to Debian-based distros, a probable plus.)
Leslie
* (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important, and its support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer oriented distros).
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On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having seen my occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my OpenSuSE machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some exposure to Debian-based distros, a probable plus.)
Leslie
- (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important, and its
support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer oriented distros).
MX Linux https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. It's very easy to build a Live USB (Xfce). And the MX Package Installer simplifies adding many popular applications. TDE can be added to the MXPI
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Ins...
If you're interested, I'll ask in the MX forum what the steps would be to add TDE to their Live USB.
Best, Michael
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On 2020-09-03 22:41:23 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having seen my occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my OpenSuSE machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some exposure to Debian-based distros, a probable plus.)
Leslie
- (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important, and its
support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer oriented distros).
MX Linux https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. It's very easy to build a Live USB (Xfce). And the MX Package Installer simplifies adding many popular applications. TDE can be added to the MXPI
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installation_In structions
If you're interested, I'll ask in the MX forum what the steps would be to add TDE to their Live USB.
Best, Michael
Well, I was really looking to use one of the ready-made Trinity ISOs. It looks like maybe focal is the latest one? (This business of names instead of release numbers isn't very friendly IMO.) Is it reasonably stable? I don't want this windoze user to have a bad experience.
Leslie
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Anno domini 2020 Thu, 3 Sep 22:55:40 -0500 J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
On 2020-09-03 22:41:23 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having seen my occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my OpenSuSE machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some exposure to Debian-based distros, a probable plus.)
Leslie
- (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important, and its
support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer oriented distros).
MX Linux https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. It's very easy to build a Live USB (Xfce). And the MX Package Installer simplifies adding many popular applications. TDE can be added to the MXPI
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installation_In structions
If you're interested, I'll ask in the MX forum what the steps would be to add TDE to their Live USB.
Best, Michael
Well, I was really looking to use one of the ready-made Trinity ISOs. It looks like maybe focal is the latest one? (This business of names instead of release numbers isn't very friendly IMO.) Is it reasonably stable? I don't want this windoze user to have a bad experience.
Exegnulinux
Leslie
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On Thursday 03 September 2020 20:55:40 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-03 22:41:23 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having seen my occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my OpenSuSE machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some exposure to Debian-based distros, a probable plus.)
Leslie
- (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important, and
its support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer oriented distros).
MX Linux https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. It's very easy to build a Live USB (Xfce). And the MX Package Installer simplifies adding many popular applications. TDE can be added to the MXPI
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installation_ In structions
If you're interested, I'll ask in the MX forum what the steps would be to add TDE to their Live USB.
Best, Michael
Well, I was really looking to use one of the ready-made Trinity ISOs. It looks like maybe focal is the latest one? (This business of names instead of release numbers isn't very friendly IMO.) Is it reasonably stable? I don't want this windoze user to have a bad experience.
Leslie
Offhand -- and, keeping in mind that your intended audience is a total noobie -- not only a Linux virgin, but also somebody who would never be able to sort through some of the issues we discuss here (my recent networking issues come to mind, or discussions of TDE with at least a half-dozen different OSs -- then I would say [here he pauses for effect], only a couple ready-made TDE Linux discs stand out.
AntiX worked quite well, was lightweight, ready from first boot for a new user. It wouldn't be my own choice, because it did some weird things with permissions inside my home folder. Also, it seemed designed for laptop users, and I found it difficult to create custom mount points for my internal hard drives. But for somebody who just wants to get used to running Linux, and to be able to run a good desktop, I would pick this for my #1.
Q4OS (I think I got that name right). Again, all the basic ingredients were there, for a first-time Linux user, with the bonus of a good desktop. What I didn't like was almost from the start: I couldn't create my passwords by using weird characters; this distro would only accept alphanumeric passwords. Maybe, if I gave it more of a chance, I would have discovered that it could be changed or circumvented; but I was right away put off.
All the others that I've tried so far don't deliver the experience; which is, we would want the user to keep using it, rather than giving up in despair. (And I might have missed a few good ones that are out there, since I haven't been actively looking at new distros, now that I have what I want.)
As I say, not what I would choose for myself; but what I believe would keep a new user using Linux and TDE.
Bill
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On 2020-09-04 01:07:15 William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 20:55:40 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-03 22:41:23 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having seen my occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my OpenSuSE machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some exposure to Debian-based distros, a probable plus.)
Leslie
- (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important, and
its support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer oriented distros).
MX Linux https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. It's very easy to build a Live USB (Xfce). And the MX Package Installer simplifies adding many popular applications. TDE can be added to the MXPI
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installatio n_ In structions
If you're interested, I'll ask in the MX forum what the steps would be to add TDE to their Live USB.
Best, Michael
Well, I was really looking to use one of the ready-made Trinity ISOs. It looks like maybe focal is the latest one? (This business of names instead of release numbers isn't very friendly IMO.) Is it reasonably stable? I don't want this windoze user to have a bad experience.
Leslie
Offhand -- and, keeping in mind that your intended audience is a total noobie -- not only a Linux virgin, but also somebody who would never be able to sort through some of the issues we discuss here (my recent networking issues come to mind, or discussions of TDE with at least a half-dozen different OSs -- then I would say [here he pauses for effect], only a couple ready-made TDE Linux discs stand out.
AntiX worked quite well, was lightweight, ready from first boot for a new user. It wouldn't be my own choice, because it did some weird things with permissions inside my home folder. Also, it seemed designed for laptop users, and I found it difficult to create custom mount points for my internal hard drives. But for somebody who just wants to get used to running Linux, and to be able to run a good desktop, I would pick this for my #1.
Q4OS (I think I got that name right). Again, all the basic ingredients were there, for a first-time Linux user, with the bonus of a good desktop. What I didn't like was almost from the start: I couldn't create my passwords by using weird characters; this distro would only accept alphanumeric passwords. Maybe, if I gave it more of a chance, I would have discovered that it could be changed or circumvented; but I was right away put off.
All the others that I've tried so far don't deliver the experience; which is, we would want the user to keep using it, rather than giving up in despair. (And I might have missed a few good ones that are out there, since I haven't been actively looking at new distros, now that I have what I want.)
As I say, not what I would choose for myself; but what I believe would keep a new user using Linux and TDE.
Bill
So, none of the ones in the ubuntu group? My impression is that that's the primary platform the developers work with, and ought to be most stable? Poking around on the internet, I see that focal is the latest LTS one. I don't much like the password restrictions on Q4OS, and he does have several additional drives that would need mounting from time to time, so AntiX doesn't sound so good either.
Leslie
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Anno domini 2020 Fri, 4 Sep 01:39:16 -0500 J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
On 2020-09-04 01:07:15 William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 20:55:40 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-03 22:41:23 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having seen my occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my OpenSuSE machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some exposure to Debian-based distros, a probable plus.)
Leslie
- (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important, and
its support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer oriented distros).
MX Linux https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. It's very easy to build a Live USB (Xfce). And the MX Package Installer simplifies adding many popular applications. TDE can be added to the MXPI
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installatio n_ In structions
If you're interested, I'll ask in the MX forum what the steps would be to add TDE to their Live USB.
Best, Michael
Well, I was really looking to use one of the ready-made Trinity ISOs. It looks like maybe focal is the latest one? (This business of names instead of release numbers isn't very friendly IMO.) Is it reasonably stable? I don't want this windoze user to have a bad experience.
Leslie
Offhand -- and, keeping in mind that your intended audience is a total noobie -- not only a Linux virgin, but also somebody who would never be able to sort through some of the issues we discuss here (my recent networking issues come to mind, or discussions of TDE with at least a half-dozen different OSs -- then I would say [here he pauses for effect], only a couple ready-made TDE Linux discs stand out.
AntiX worked quite well, was lightweight, ready from first boot for a new user. It wouldn't be my own choice, because it did some weird things with permissions inside my home folder. Also, it seemed designed for laptop users, and I found it difficult to create custom mount points for my internal hard drives. But for somebody who just wants to get used to running Linux, and to be able to run a good desktop, I would pick this for my #1.
Q4OS (I think I got that name right). Again, all the basic ingredients were there, for a first-time Linux user, with the bonus of a good desktop. What I didn't like was almost from the start: I couldn't create my passwords by using weird characters; this distro would only accept alphanumeric passwords. Maybe, if I gave it more of a chance, I would have discovered that it could be changed or circumvented; but I was right away put off.
All the others that I've tried so far don't deliver the experience; which is, we would want the user to keep using it, rather than giving up in despair. (And I might have missed a few good ones that are out there, since I haven't been actively looking at new distros, now that I have what I want.)
As I say, not what I would choose for myself; but what I believe would keep a new user using Linux and TDE.
Bill
So, none of the ones in the ubuntu group? My impression is that that's the primary platform the developers work with, and ought to be most stable? Poking around on the internet, I see that focal is the latest LTS one. I don't much like the password restrictions on Q4OS, and he does have several additional drives that would need mounting from time to time, so AntiX doesn't sound so good either.
Stay away anything systemd and GNOME if you want a quiet living. or a linux beginner it's hard to understand, as that thing is "just" svchost from windows, sowhat could be wrong with that? That raises the question, why run from M$ if the pholosophy of M$ is acceptale?
A beginner always has problems. There is no easy way. So just start as everybody else, get ditro hopping for some months, see what you like. A lot of people do not like "choice", they need "guidance". Those better stay with M$ or the "big distros where you cannot go wrong". Control freaks sooner or later end some place else. Some even set sail and leave linux world for the rough coasts of BSD land - and find it quite comfy there :)
Nik
Leslie
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On Friday 04 September 2020 00:13:19 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 4 Sep 01:39:16 -0500
J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
On 2020-09-04 01:07:15 William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 20:55:40 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-03 22:41:23 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having seen my occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my OpenSuSE machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some exposure to Debian-based distros, a probable plus.)
Leslie
- (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important,
and its support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer oriented distros).
MX Linux https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. It's very easy to build a Live USB (Xfce). And the MX Package Installer simplifies adding many popular applications. TDE can be added to the MXPI
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Install atio n_ In structions
If you're interested, I'll ask in the MX forum what the steps would be to add TDE to their Live USB.
Best, Michael
Well, I was really looking to use one of the ready-made Trinity ISOs. It looks like maybe focal is the latest one? (This business of names instead of release numbers isn't very friendly IMO.) Is it reasonably stable? I don't want this windoze user to have a bad experience.
Leslie
Offhand -- and, keeping in mind that your intended audience is a total noobie -- not only a Linux virgin, but also somebody who would never be able to sort through some of the issues we discuss here (my recent networking issues come to mind, or discussions of TDE with at least a half-dozen different OSs -- then I would say [here he pauses for effect], only a couple ready-made TDE Linux discs stand out.
AntiX worked quite well, was lightweight, ready from first boot for a new user. It wouldn't be my own choice, because it did some weird things with permissions inside my home folder. Also, it seemed designed for laptop users, and I found it difficult to create custom mount points for my internal hard drives. But for somebody who just wants to get used to running Linux, and to be able to run a good desktop, I would pick this for my #1.
Q4OS (I think I got that name right). Again, all the basic ingredients were there, for a first-time Linux user, with the bonus of a good desktop. What I didn't like was almost from the start: I couldn't create my passwords by using weird characters; this distro would only accept alphanumeric passwords. Maybe, if I gave it more of a chance, I would have discovered that it could be changed or circumvented; but I was right away put off.
All the others that I've tried so far don't deliver the experience; which is, we would want the user to keep using it, rather than giving up in despair. (And I might have missed a few good ones that are out there, since I haven't been actively looking at new distros, now that I have what I want.)
As I say, not what I would choose for myself; but what I believe would keep a new user using Linux and TDE.
Bill
So, none of the ones in the ubuntu group? My impression is that that's the primary platform the developers work with, and ought to be most stable? Poking around on the internet, I see that focal is the latest LTS one. I don't much like the password restrictions on Q4OS, and he does have several additional drives that would need mounting from time to time, so AntiX doesn't sound so good either.
Stay away anything systemd and GNOME if you want a quiet living. or a linux beginner it's hard to understand, as that thing is "just" svchost from windows, sowhat could be wrong with that? That raises the question, why run from M$ if the pholosophy of M$ is acceptale?
A beginner always has problems. There is no easy way. So just start as everybody else, get ditro hopping for some months, see what you like. A lot of people do not like "choice", they need "guidance". Those better stay with M$ or the "big distros where you cannot go wrong". Control freaks sooner or later end some place else. Some even set sail and leave linux world for the rough coasts of BSD land - and find it quite comfy there :)
Nik
Stop with your siren songs about BSD land! I cannot afford to get another computer, just so I can run a test machine and learn BSD. Not yet, anyway.
Bill
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Anno domini 2020 Fri, 4 Sep 03:16:15 -0700 William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
On Friday 04 September 2020 00:13:19 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 4 Sep 01:39:16 -0500
J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
On 2020-09-04 01:07:15 William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 20:55:40 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-03 22:41:23 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote: > My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night > that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, > I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros > available; but which one is most likely to give him a stable and > versatile experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having > seen my occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my > OpenSuSE machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some > exposure to Debian-based distros, a probable plus.) > > Leslie > > * (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important, > and its support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer > oriented distros).
MX Linux https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. It's very easy to build a Live USB (Xfce). And the MX Package Installer simplifies adding many popular applications. TDE can be added to the MXPI
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Install atio n_ In structions
If you're interested, I'll ask in the MX forum what the steps would be to add TDE to their Live USB.
Best, Michael
Well, I was really looking to use one of the ready-made Trinity ISOs. It looks like maybe focal is the latest one? (This business of names instead of release numbers isn't very friendly IMO.) Is it reasonably stable? I don't want this windoze user to have a bad experience.
Leslie
Offhand -- and, keeping in mind that your intended audience is a total noobie -- not only a Linux virgin, but also somebody who would never be able to sort through some of the issues we discuss here (my recent networking issues come to mind, or discussions of TDE with at least a half-dozen different OSs -- then I would say [here he pauses for effect], only a couple ready-made TDE Linux discs stand out.
AntiX worked quite well, was lightweight, ready from first boot for a new user. It wouldn't be my own choice, because it did some weird things with permissions inside my home folder. Also, it seemed designed for laptop users, and I found it difficult to create custom mount points for my internal hard drives. But for somebody who just wants to get used to running Linux, and to be able to run a good desktop, I would pick this for my #1.
Q4OS (I think I got that name right). Again, all the basic ingredients were there, for a first-time Linux user, with the bonus of a good desktop. What I didn't like was almost from the start: I couldn't create my passwords by using weird characters; this distro would only accept alphanumeric passwords. Maybe, if I gave it more of a chance, I would have discovered that it could be changed or circumvented; but I was right away put off.
All the others that I've tried so far don't deliver the experience; which is, we would want the user to keep using it, rather than giving up in despair. (And I might have missed a few good ones that are out there, since I haven't been actively looking at new distros, now that I have what I want.)
As I say, not what I would choose for myself; but what I believe would keep a new user using Linux and TDE.
Bill
So, none of the ones in the ubuntu group? My impression is that that's the primary platform the developers work with, and ought to be most stable? Poking around on the internet, I see that focal is the latest LTS one. I don't much like the password restrictions on Q4OS, and he does have several additional drives that would need mounting from time to time, so AntiX doesn't sound so good either.
Stay away anything systemd and GNOME if you want a quiet living. or a linux beginner it's hard to understand, as that thing is "just" svchost from windows, sowhat could be wrong with that? That raises the question, why run from M$ if the pholosophy of M$ is acceptale?
A beginner always has problems. There is no easy way. So just start as everybody else, get ditro hopping for some months, see what you like. A lot of people do not like "choice", they need "guidance". Those better stay with M$ or the "big distros where you cannot go wrong". Control freaks sooner or later end some place else. Some even set sail and leave linux world for the rough coasts of BSD land - and find it quite comfy there :)
Nik
Stop with your siren songs about BSD land! I cannot afford to get another computer, just so I can run a test machine and learn BSD. Not yet, anyway.
LOL. But I have to say I really like how nice ZFS works on BSD :)
Bill
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On Thursday 03 September 2020 23:39:16 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-04 01:07:15 William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 20:55:40 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-03 22:41:23 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having seen my occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my OpenSuSE machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some exposure to Debian-based distros, a probable plus.)
Leslie
- (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important,
and its support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer oriented distros).
MX Linux https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. It's very easy to build a Live USB (Xfce). And the MX Package Installer simplifies adding many popular applications. TDE can be added to the MXPI
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installat io n_ In structions
If you're interested, I'll ask in the MX forum what the steps would be to add TDE to their Live USB.
Best, Michael
Well, I was really looking to use one of the ready-made Trinity ISOs. It looks like maybe focal is the latest one? (This business of names instead of release numbers isn't very friendly IMO.) Is it reasonably stable? I don't want this windoze user to have a bad experience.
Leslie
Offhand -- and, keeping in mind that your intended audience is a total noobie -- not only a Linux virgin, but also somebody who would never be able to sort through some of the issues we discuss here (my recent networking issues come to mind, or discussions of TDE with at least a half-dozen different OSs -- then I would say [here he pauses for effect], only a couple ready-made TDE Linux discs stand out.
AntiX worked quite well, was lightweight, ready from first boot for a new user. It wouldn't be my own choice, because it did some weird things with permissions inside my home folder. Also, it seemed designed for laptop users, and I found it difficult to create custom mount points for my internal hard drives. But for somebody who just wants to get used to running Linux, and to be able to run a good desktop, I would pick this for my #1.
Q4OS (I think I got that name right). Again, all the basic ingredients were there, for a first-time Linux user, with the bonus of a good desktop. What I didn't like was almost from the start: I couldn't create my passwords by using weird characters; this distro would only accept alphanumeric passwords. Maybe, if I gave it more of a chance, I would have discovered that it could be changed or circumvented; but I was right away put off.
All the others that I've tried so far don't deliver the experience; which is, we would want the user to keep using it, rather than giving up in despair. (And I might have missed a few good ones that are out there, since I haven't been actively looking at new distros, now that I have what I want.)
As I say, not what I would choose for myself; but what I believe would keep a new user using Linux and TDE.
Bill
So, none of the ones in the ubuntu group? My impression is that that's the primary platform the developers work with, and ought to be most stable?
Once the fortune teller has spoken, it is bad manners to keep asking for another reading, then another, then another, for the same question, as if that will give a different fortune.
;-)
Besides, I intended these choices to be, as it were, starter kits. The experienced user will naturally want something that offers more options. And range of options, infinite choices in configuration, modifications and self-hacking: these do not go together with easy-to-use starter kits. The easier to use from the start, the less the user will be able to modify the system; the easier to modify the system, then it will be harder to get started, like Debian or Devuan. It's sort of like an inverse proportion at work there.
I did not consciously steer away from the 'buntus, just that none have impressed me enough to stick in the memory. These were the ones that impressed me as being ready to go, "right out of the box"; something that I would recommend for noobies.
In any case, if I recall, the 'buntus have all gone the way of systemd, and this would cause other problems, or at least some conflicts, down the road. I know that AntiX is no-systemd, but I forget if Q4OS is systemd or init. If you don't know why some object to systemd, this would require some research, but the short version is that init is more established, simpler in terms of system run levels, etc. For me, anyway, it causes fewer problems than systemd.
Poking around on the internet, I see that focal is the latest LTS one. I don't much like the password restrictions on Q4OS, and he does have several additional drives that would need mounting from time to time,
The key terms here are "from time to time"; he would mount them now and again, whereas mine are permanently mounted at boot. They are internal hard drives, and reside inside my chassis, or box; they are not external drives.
so AntiX doesn't sound so good either.
My remark about mounting additional drives does not apply to *external* hard drives, which one can mount in the ordinary way. If your friend has external hard drives, then AntiX ought to be fine.
I have 4 internal hard drives, and I tend to save to those that do not contain my home folder, so that when I made a fresh installation on a brand-new SSD, I didn't need to change anything in my setup, nor to worry about copying anything too big. But if I had to mount each of them when I needed them, I would never get anything done. They mount after my home folder is mounted, so they are always available. This would not be another person's usual setup; a machine like mine does not exist in nature otherwise, but is an abomination, so far as most geeks are concerned.
As I thought I made clear, my first choice would be AntiX. It is not so different from one of the 'buntu versions. Simple, clean, fast, easy to use from first boot. One would have to be a nitpicking old crank (like myself) to object to AntiX. It's only when dug deep into it that I found things that I didn't like; also, due to my glut of internal hard drives, I have special needs.
However, others may disagree. Nik seems to prefer exegnulinux, though I found that it never completely installed. You are welcome to have your own opinion, as well, as I make to claims to expertise here; I only speak from my experiences of actually trying them out.
Bill
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On Thursday 03 September 2020 10:55:40 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-03 22:41:23 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but
which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience?
MX Linux https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. TDE can be added to the MXPI https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installation_ In structions
Well, I was really looking to use one of the ready-made Trinity ISOs. I don't want this windoze user to have a bad experience.
Hi Leslie,
I’m going to suggest you’re going about this from the wrong way. ‘cause? In my opinion your requirements are at odds with each other.
Your Requirements:
- You want him to have an easy-to-use experience. - You want a Live USB that already includes TDE.
TDE is only going to pre-exist on a Live USB if placed there by someone who is near developer level. A near developer level person is not (intentionally) going to use a distribution that has an easy-to-use experience as they are generally more interested in doing it their own way (ability to highly customize).
Based upon your replies, I can only suggest at this point that you build the 3 Live USBs offered so far yourself, test them to see if they are deemed adequate by you for your brother, and then give the result to your brother.
The MX Linux forums are here: https://forum.mxlinux.org/index.php
They will be happy to help you add the TDE auto-installer I built for MX to their Live USB.
Best Regards, Michael
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On Friday 04 September 2020 06:52:08 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 10:55:40 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-03 22:41:23 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but
which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience?
MX Linux https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. TDE can be added to the MXPI https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installatio n_ In structions
By the way, Michael, I believe that AntiX is based on MX Linux. I forget the exact relationship, but that's how I discovered the MX repositories.
Since you are so enthusiastic about MX Linux with TDE, I wondered if you knew anything about AntiX, or were more up-to-date on its status, or had an opinion about it
I was quite impressed by it; it just didn't suit my needs.
Bill
Well, I was really looking to use one of the ready-made Trinity ISOs. I don't want this windoze user to have a bad experience.
Hi Leslie,
I’m going to suggest you’re going about this from the wrong way. ‘cause? In my opinion your requirements are at odds with each other.
Your Requirements:
- You want him to have an easy-to-use experience.
- You want a Live USB that already includes TDE.
TDE is only going to pre-exist on a Live USB if placed there by someone who is near developer level. A near developer level person is not (intentionally) going to use a distribution that has an easy-to-use experience as they are generally more interested in doing it their own way (ability to highly customize).
Based upon your replies, I can only suggest at this point that you build the 3 Live USBs offered so far yourself, test them to see if they are deemed adequate by you for your brother, and then give the result to your brother.
The MX Linux forums are here: https://forum.mxlinux.org/index.php
They will be happy to help you add the TDE auto-installer I built for MX to their Live USB.
Best Regards, Michael
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