On Thursday 03 September 2020 23:39:16 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-04 01:07:15 William Morder via
trinity-users wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 20:55:40 J Leslie
Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-03 22:41:23 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 03 September 2020 09:59:50 pm J
Leslie Turriff wrote:
> My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night
> that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I
> see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available;
> but which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile
> experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having seen my
> occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my OpenSuSE
> machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some exposure to
> Debian-based distros, a probable plus.)
>
> Leslie
>
> * (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important,
> and its support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer
> oriented distros).
MX Linux
https://mxlinux.org/
Huge dev team that has made it a really easy user experience. It's
very easy to build a Live USB (Xfce). And the MX Package Installer
simplifies adding many popular applications. TDE can be added to the
MXPI
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installat
io n_ In structions
If you're interested, I'll ask in the MX forum what the steps would
be to add TDE to their Live USB.
Best,
Michael
Well, I was really looking to use one of the ready-made Trinity ISOs.
It looks like maybe focal is the latest one? (This business of names
instead of release numbers isn't very friendly IMO.) Is it reasonably
stable? I don't want this windoze user to have a bad experience.
Leslie
Offhand -- and, keeping in mind that your intended audience is a total
noobie -- not only a Linux virgin, but also somebody who would never be
able to sort through some of the issues we discuss here (my recent
networking issues come to mind, or discussions of TDE with at least a
half-dozen different OSs -- then I would say [here he pauses for effect],
only a couple ready-made TDE Linux discs stand out.
AntiX worked quite well, was lightweight, ready from first boot for a new
user. It wouldn't be my own choice, because it did some weird things with
permissions inside my home folder. Also, it seemed designed for laptop
users, and I found it difficult to create custom mount points for my
internal hard drives. But for somebody who just wants to get used to
running Linux, and to be able to run a good desktop, I would pick this
for my #1.
Q4OS (I think I got that name right). Again, all the basic ingredients
were there, for a first-time Linux user, with the bonus of a good
desktop. What I didn't like was almost from the start: I couldn't create
my passwords by using weird characters; this distro would only accept
alphanumeric passwords. Maybe, if I gave it more of a chance, I would
have discovered that it could be changed or circumvented; but I was right
away put off.
All the others that I've tried so far don't deliver the experience; which
is, we would want the user to keep using it, rather than giving up in
despair. (And I might have missed a few good ones that are out there,
since I haven't been actively looking at new distros, now that I have
what I want.)
As I say, not what I would choose for myself; but what I believe would
keep a new user using Linux and TDE.
Bill
So, none of the ones in the ubuntu group? My impression is that that's
the primary platform the developers work with, and ought to be most stable?
Once the fortune teller has spoken, it is bad manners to keep asking for
another reading, then another, then another, for the same question, as if
that will give a different fortune.
;-)
Besides, I intended these choices to be, as it were, starter kits. The
experienced user will naturally want something that offers more options. And
range of options, infinite choices in configuration, modifications and
self-hacking: these do not go together with easy-to-use starter kits. The
easier to use from the start, the less the user will be able to modify the
system; the easier to modify the system, then it will be harder to get
started, like Debian or Devuan. It's sort of like an inverse proportion at
work there.
I did not consciously steer away from the 'buntus, just that none have
impressed me enough to stick in the memory. These were the ones that
impressed me as being ready to go, "right out of the box"; something that I
would recommend for noobies.
In any case, if I recall, the 'buntus have all gone the way of systemd, and
this would cause other problems, or at least some conflicts, down the road. I
know that AntiX is no-systemd, but I forget if Q4OS is systemd or init. If
you don't know why some object to systemd, this would require some research,
but the short version is that init is more established, simpler in terms of
system run levels, etc. For me, anyway, it causes fewer problems than
systemd.
Poking around on the internet, I see that focal is the
latest LTS one. I
don't much like the password restrictions on Q4OS, and he does have several
additional drives that would need mounting from time to time,
The key terms here are "from time to time"; he would mount them now and again,
whereas mine are permanently mounted at boot. They are internal hard drives,
and reside inside my chassis, or box; they are not external drives.
so AntiX
doesn't sound so good either.
My remark about mounting additional drives does not apply to *external* hard
drives, which one can mount in the ordinary way. If your friend has external
hard drives, then AntiX ought to be fine.
I have 4 internal hard drives, and I tend to save to those that do not contain
my home folder, so that when I made a fresh installation on a brand-new SSD,
I didn't need to change anything in my setup, nor to worry about copying
anything too big. But if I had to mount each of them when I needed them, I
would never get anything done. They mount after my home folder is mounted, so
they are always available. This would not be another person's usual setup; a
machine like mine does not exist in nature otherwise, but is an abomination,
so far as most geeks are concerned.
As I thought I made clear, my first choice would be AntiX. It is not so
different from one of the 'buntu versions. Simple, clean, fast, easy to use
from first boot. One would have to be a nitpicking old crank (like myself) to
object to AntiX. It's only when dug deep into it that I found things that I
didn't like; also, due to my glut of internal hard drives, I have special
needs.
However, others may disagree. Nik seems to prefer exegnulinux, though I found
that it never completely installed. You are welcome to have your own opinion,
as well, as I make to claims to expertise here; I only speak from my
experiences of actually trying them out.
Bill
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