On Tuesday 29 June 2021 02:28:07 pm Mavridis Philippe wrote:
There is no way that such a small team be able to compete with giants like Google and... ehh... Google.
AFAIK both DuckDuckGo and Startpage use Google for the actual search engine? Bing’s results are way weird.
Are there any [reliable] search engines other than Google’s?
Curious…
Best, Michael
Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 29 June 2021 02:28:07 pm Mavridis Philippe wrote:
There is no way that such a small team be able to compete with giants like Google and... ehh... Google.
AFAIK both DuckDuckGo and Startpage use Google for the actual search engine? Bing’s results are way weird.
Are there any [reliable] search engines other than Google’s?
Curious…
Best, Michael
I used to use DuckDuckGo, but now I use SearX. It's a FOSS *meta* search engine and there's a bunch of instances you can see at searx.space . You can choose in preferences what search engines to pull results from so you don't have to get Google results. Some instances may give you errors.
Cheers.
Actually DuckDuckGo seems to use Bing (and Yandex for queries in Russian) for its search results. Still, it usually brings more relevant results for me than StartPage ever does.
Privacy-wise there is also Qwant which seems to be independent and Europe-based, but I can't say anything about it.
-- Mavridis Philippe
said Mavridis Philippe: | Actually DuckDuckGo seems to use Bing (and Yandex for queries in | Russian) for its search results. Still, it usually brings more relevant | results for me than StartPage ever does. | | Privacy-wise there is also Qwant which seems to be independent and | Europe-based, but I can't say anything about it.
Bring back gopher! (Though we'd call it Kroundhog.) Or some kind of web spider (aracKnid). Don't need no steenkin' search engine! -- dep
Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://www.athensnews.com/opinion/columns/the_view_from_mudsock_heights/
Actually even Gopher had/has its very own search engine (Veronica), and so does the young Gemini (GUS).
Of course, you can install the Gopher protocol for Konqueror (tdeio-gopher) but there is no protocol handler for Gemini. I might write one at some point.
-- Mavridis Philippe
said Mavridis Philippe: | Actually even Gopher had/has its very own search engine (Veronica), and | so does the young Gemini (GUS). | | Of course, you can install the Gopher protocol for Konqueror | (tdeio-gopher) but there is no protocol handler for Gemini. I might | write one at some point.
Or just do a port of Mosaic and the associated Trumpet Winsock. Worked for us with OS/2! -- dep
Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://www.athensnews.com/opinion/columns/the_view_from_mudsock_heights/
Actually there is a working port of Mosaic (well, working is an over-estimation, it renders nothing correctly) and even a fork (Mosaic-ck). The problem is, it is of limited use nowadays (much less than Trinity's Konqueror as a browser). Besides, its interface is quite ugly.
Partly Mosaic and Netscape were responsible for the mess that the Web has become, but then again they were quite innovative in their time. But using them in present-day would be frankly pointless.
-- Mavridis Philippe
Dear Mavridis,
Am Dienstag, 29. Juni 2021 schrieb Mavridis Philippe:
Of course, you can install the Gopher protocol for Konqueror (tdeio-gopher)
How, please? It is not in the TDE repositories for Devuan Beowulf nor can I find gopher in any of the config dialogs I have looked at…
Thanks, Stefan
Dear Stefan,
tdeio-gopher is available through Gitea (https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdeio-gopher) but it's probably not packaged for Devuan/Debian. I built it from source from there.
Once installed, you can access any URL that begins with gopher:// through Konqueror (and most other TDE applications I suppose), its contents will be displayed in a folders/files structure like any ordinary folder.
-- Mavridis Philippe
On Saturday 03 of July 2021 12:24:45 Mavridis Philippe wrote:
Dear Stefan,
tdeio-gopher is available through Gitea (https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdeio-gopher) but it's probably not packaged for Devuan/Debian. I built it from source from there.
Once installed, you can access any URL that begins with gopher:// through Konqueror (and most other TDE applications I suppose), its contents will be displayed in a folders/files structure like any ordinary folder.
-- Mavridis Philippe
tdeio-gopher is currently packaged for PTB repository - future TDE R14.1.0. It is not packaged for stable or PSB.
Cheers
Am Samstag, 3. Juli 2021 schrieb Mavridis Philippe:
Dear Stefan,
tdeio-gopher is available through Gitea (https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdeio-gopher) but it's probably not packaged for Devuan/Debian. I built it from source from there.
Once installed, you can access any URL that begins with gopher:// through Konqueror (and most other TDE applications I suppose), its contents will be displayed in a folders/files structure like any ordinary folder.
-- Mavridis Philippe
@Mavridis, @Slávek,
thank you.
Kind regards, Stefan
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 10:52:44PM +0300, Mavridis Philippe wrote:
Privacy-wise there is also Qwant which seems to be independent and Europe-based, but I can't say anything about it.
I've tried installing Qwant twice on Firefox, and each time it has asked for a really intruisive set of permissions, so I uninstalled it.
On 6/29/21 3:44 PM, Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 29 June 2021 02:28:07 pm Mavridis Philippe wrote:
There is no way that such a small team be able to compete with giants like Google and... ehh... Google.
AFAIK both DuckDuckGo and Startpage use Google for the actual search engine? Bing’s results are way weird.
Are there any [reliable] search engines other than Google’s?
Curious…
Best, Michael
Ecosia? https://ecosia.org/
-- Linux. A Continual Learning Experience.
TDE: R14.0.10 - Debian: 10.10 (amd64)
On Tue, 29 Jun 2021, Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 29 June 2021 02:28:07 pm Mavridis Philippe wrote:
There is no way that such a small team be able to compete with giants like Google and... ehh... Google.
AFAIK both DuckDuckGo and Startpage use Google for the actual search engine? Bing’s results are way weird.
Are there any [reliable] search engines other than Google’s?
The Brave browser has been developing its own search engine and has rolled it out for "bleeding-edge" users to try.
https://www.webmasterworld.com/alternative_search_engines/5029426.htm
I've set it to be the default browser in Brave for now to study its usefulness. Fairly pleased so far.
Jonesy
I wouldn't trust Brave's search engine as I don't trust Brave. Their privacy claims are just a marketing veil to attract more users. There are quite a few problems with Brave.
This is an interesting read on Brave as a browser: https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html
-- Mavridis Philippe
On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 23:11:06 +0300 Mavridis Philippe mavridisf@gmail.com wrote:
I wouldn't trust Brave's search engine as I don't trust Brave. Their privacy claims are just a marketing veil to attract more users. There are quite a few problems with Brave.
This is an interesting read on Brave as a browser: https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html
Pick your poison:
Chrome, Chromium, and all their forks are tainted by Google (Brave just doubles down on it by adding a second layer of untrustworthy obnoxiousness).
Firefox is managed by people who are more interested in chasing Chrome's market share than producing the browser their current users actually want.
Vivaldi is (as of the last time I checked) at least partly closed-source.
Waterfox was sold to an advertising company a couple of years ago.
Opera is also owned by an advertising company.
Seamonkey doesn't seem to have much new development taking place.
Pale Moon has some *really* *obnoxious* people in its infrastructure and development community, and makes no effort to restrain them, even though they actively discourage new people from getting involved.
Midori and other really small-user-share browsers tend not to have enough people working on them for their futures to be secure.
Conclusion: they all suck, one way or another.
E. Liddell
said E. Liddell:
| Pick your poison: | | Chrome, Chromium, and all their forks are tainted by Google (Brave | just doubles down on it by adding a second layer of untrustworthy | obnoxiousness). | | Firefox is managed by people who are more interested in chasing | Chrome's market share than producing the browser their current users | actually want. | | Vivaldi is (as of the last time I checked) at least partly | closed-source. | | Waterfox was sold to an advertising company a couple of years ago. | | Opera is also owned by an advertising company. | | Seamonkey doesn't seem to have much new development taking place. | | Pale Moon has some *really* *obnoxious* people in its infrastructure | and development community, and makes no effort to restrain them, | even though they actively discourage new people from getting | involved. | | Midori and other really small-user-share browsers tend not to have | enough people working on them for their futures to be secure. | | Conclusion: they all suck, one way or another.
Well, Lynx it is, then. Wonder if they ever finished that project to render porn as ascii art . . .
Actually, Lynx is good to have, because it lets you browse when X has failed. Though I do think it was a little presumptuous of them to link their executable with www-browser. Not that anyone ever types www-browser at a commant prompt. -- dep
Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://www.athensnews.com/opinion/columns/the_view_from_mudsock_heights/
On 2021-06-29 15:53:09 E. Liddell wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 23:11:06 +0300
Mavridis Philippe mavridisf@gmail.com wrote:
I wouldn't trust Brave's search engine as I don't trust Brave. Their privacy claims are just a marketing veil to attract more users. There are quite a few problems with Brave.
This is an interesting read on Brave as a browser: https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html
Pick your poison:
Chrome, Chromium, and all their forks are tainted by Google (Brave just doubles down on it by adding a second layer of untrustworthy obnoxiousness).
Firefox is managed by people who are more interested in chasing Chrome's market share than producing the browser their current users actually want.
Vivaldi is (as of the last time I checked) at least partly closed-source.
Waterfox was sold to an advertising company a couple of years ago.
Opera is also owned by an advertising company.
Seamonkey doesn't seem to have much new development taking place.
Pale Moon has some *really* *obnoxious* people in its infrastructure and development community, and makes no effort to restrain them, even though they actively discourage new people from getting involved.
Midori and other really small-user-share browsers tend not to have enough people working on them for their futures to be secure.
Conclusion: they all suck, one way or another.
E. Liddell
There's also Gnu's IceCat, but it seems to be locked down so tightly that it doesn't work with many (most commercial?) websites.
Leslie -- Operating System: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.10 tde-config: 1.0
On 2021-06-29 15:02:13 Marvin Jones via tde-users wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jun 2021, Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 29 June 2021 02:28:07 pm Mavridis Philippe wrote:
There is no way that such a small team be able to compete with giants like Google and... ehh... Google.
AFAIK both DuckDuckGo and Startpage use Google for the actual search engine? Bing’s results are way weird.
Are there any [reliable] search engines other than Google’s?
The Brave browser has been developing its own search engine and has rolled it out for "bleeding-edge" users to try.
https://www.webmasterworld.com/alternative_search_engines/5029426.htm
I've set it to be the default browser in Brave for now to study its usefulness. Fairly pleased so far.
Jonesy
I tried to get Brave to work, but all I could get from it was a crippleware version showing a begging page.
Leslie
For info Qwant (French tech based in Neuilly-sur-Seine/France) is not independent, It is backed at some level by Bing. Officially Bing brings the search results that Qwant couldn't find Itself. Lot of controversy here because we actually don't know much what Qwant can do without Bing's help, everything is obviously kept under commercial secrets.
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