I have been having problems with POP 3 and Gmail in that some emails are there but seem not to download. I have established (with the expenditure of some time) that the mails download (I have sat and watched them do so) and then disappear. I have forwarded the mails through two Gmail addresses and one totally different email provider. In every case they simply disappear. They don't even land in the wastebin.
Has anyone any ideas, *please*.
My next idea is to destroy all my filters and gradually restore them and see if the recalcitrant emails are being misfiled in some mythical and non-existent folder. But that is a large task, and I am loathe to do it if someone can offer something easier or more sure of success. I would be doing it in desperation, and not in expectation of success.
Thanks, Lisi
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:01:11 +0100 Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Lisi,
totally different email provider. In every case they simply disappear. They don't even land in the wastebin.
IDK if KMail has such capability in its filters, but do any of your filters have a "delete message" function? If you do use such a filter, start by moving them out of the way first, rather than trashing the lot.
On Wednesday 10 August 2011 16:34:23 Brad Rogers wrote:
IDK if KMail has such capability in its filters, but do any of your filters have a "delete message" function?
No. Pity - it would have been a nice simple solution!
Lisi
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:31:27 +0100 Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Lisi,
No. Pity - it would have been a nice simple solution!
So Thierry's message said. A pity I didn't see that before my response.
Ah, well....
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
I have been having problems with POP 3 and Gmail in that some emails are there but seem not to download. I have established (with the expenditure of some time) that the mails download (I have sat and watched them do so) and then disappear. I have forwarded the mails through two Gmail addresses and one totally different email provider. In every case they simply disappear. They don't even land in the wastebin.
Has anyone any ideas, *please*.
My next idea is to destroy all my filters and gradually restore them and see
(...)
Thanks, Lisi
Hi Lisi,
Your filters are stored in ~/.kde3/share/config/kmailrc, so you should save a copy of this file first. However, filters you set up must have a "filter action", and there is no "delete" action (I suppose you could "Execute command" and "delete", but I never tried this).
If you use a spam filter, check what it does with "spam" (but here it sends them to trash, so I can still check there).
If you get your mail from pop3, you can switch on "leave fetched messages on the server" and check they are there through webmail. I've had mails lost in the past, I'm pretty sure it happened at my provider but they never solved the issue (I had to get them sent to gmail). I actually must write mails to this list from gmail, mails to trinity from kmail get lost too....
Last suggestion, you could setup another mail program (Thunderbird or so) and check if your mails only disappear in kmail.
So far for my ideas for the moment....
Hope that helps,
Thierry
Thanks, Brad and Thierry for your very prompt replies and your suggestions. I'm not going to get the chance for a sensible attack on this again until tomorrow afternoon, but I'll report back. :-)
I am already, however, getting Gmail to leave my emails in the inbox until I have had a chance to see them!
Thanks, Lisi
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:01, Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
I have been having problems with POP 3 and Gmail in that some emails are there but seem not to download. I have established (with the expenditure of some time) that the mails download (I have sat and watched them do so) and then disappear. I have forwarded the mails through two Gmail addresses and one totally different email provider. In every case they simply disappear. They don't even land in the wastebin.
Has anyone any ideas, *please*.
My next idea is to destroy all my filters and gradually restore them and see if the recalcitrant emails are being misfiled in some mythical and non-existent folder. But that is a large task, and I am loathe to do it if someone can offer something easier or more sure of success. I would be doing it in desperation, and not in expectation of success.
You don't mean KMail2 from KDE SC 4.7, right? Because this is a known problem right now with people's emails.
On Wednesday 10 August 2011 20:46:50 Robert Xu wrote:
You don't mean KMail2 from KDE SC 4.7, right? Because this is a known problem right now with people's emails.
No. KMail 1.9.9 from KDE 3.5.10, which is why I brought the query here. I should have said so.
Lisi
The emails were all in the Spam folder. I have uninstalled Spamassassin because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks as though I shall have to do the same with Bogofilter.
This has only been happening since Friday noon. Which still leaves unanswered, of course, why it started to happen. :-/
Thanks to you all.
Lisi
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 23:28 +0100, Lisi wrote:
The emails were all in the Spam folder. I have uninstalled Spamassassin because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks as though I shall have to do the same with Bogofilter.
This has only been happening since Friday noon. Which still leaves unanswered, of course, why it started to happen. :-/
Thanks to you all.
Lisi
<snip> Perhaps a valid mail was accidentally identified as SPAM incorrectly training the filter - John
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:28:20 +0100 Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Lisi,
The emails were all in the Spam folder. I have uninstalled Spamassassin because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks as though I shall have to do the same with Bogofilter.
At least you know. That's good. I'd caution against doing away with anti-SPAM software. Although, personally, I use only bogofilter as I found SA to be too slow.
As John suggests, I'd opt for reclassifying the supposed SPAM as HAM, since the software is only as good as the teaching it gets.
Hello, Brad,
On Thursday 11 August 2011 09:47:23 Brad Rogers wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:28:20 +0100 Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
The emails were all in the Spam folder. I have uninstalled Spamassassin because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks as though I shall have to do the same with Bogofilter.
At least you know. That's good. I'd caution against doing away with anti-SPAM software. Although, personally, I use only bogofilter as I found SA to be too slow.
Yes, that was why I did away with SA. And bogofilter is certainly much faster.
As John suggests, I'd opt for reclassifying the supposed SPAM as HAM, since the software is only as good as the teaching it gets.
Had I had these emails before my having got rid of bogofilter I would certainly have followed this advice; but I uninstalled it in almost a fit of pique after it helped itself to a whole lot more of my older mail! (I had reclassified the SPAM as HAM and hoped that by running the filters on those files I could get the HAM back in the folders where it belonged. At least I hope to learn from my mistakes!)
I'll see how I get on without a SPAM filter. I have Gmail's SPAM filter pretty well trained and can probably handle manually the small amount that bogofilter was identifying that Gmail had missed. It may be worth just putting a little more effort into training Gmail's SPAM filters.
But I can see the merits in reinstalling bogofilter and just trying to train it better. So when the dust settles a bit in a day or two, I shall probably reinstall and start training it.
Thanks for the help.
Lisi
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:31:39 +0100 Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Lisi,
Yes, that was why I did away with SA. And bogofilter is certainly much faster.
At least I know I'm not alone in that. :-)
Had I had these emails before my having got rid of bogofilter I would certainly have followed this advice; but I uninstalled it in almost a fit of pique after it helped itself to a whole lot more of my older
"Been there, done that" as they say. Usually, I find that the fit of pique is often, at some point, followed by a piece of humble pie.
I'll see how I get on without a SPAM filter. I have Gmail's SPAM filter pretty well trained and can probably handle manually the small
I'm not usually a fan of google, but their spam filtering is pretty good.
On Thursday 11 August 2011 15:05:59 Brad Rogers wrote:
"Been there, done that" as they say. Usually, I find that the fit of pique is often, at some point, followed by a piece of humble pie.
:-) Fortunately I am used to the taste!
Lisi
Hi Lisi,
Yes, that was why I did away with SA. And bogofilter is certainly much faster.
well, I think your problem is the follwing: after installing SA in Kmail you defined some filters. And KMails put every new filter on top of the list. That means you have to move new filters down below the spam filters.
On Thursday 11 August 2011 17:11:16 HHa wrote:
well, I think your problem is the follwing: after installing SA in Kmail you defined some filters. And KMails put every new filter on top of the list. That means you have to move new filters down below the spam filters.
???
But thanks for the reply,
Lisi
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:27:14 +0100 Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Lisi,
???
I think what HHa meant is that, for best effect, SA/bogofilter need to operate on all incoming mail, not just the stuff left after filtering list mails into relevant folders.
I suspect that a) you already know that and b) you were already operating in that mode.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Brad Rogers brad@fineby.me.uk wrote:
The emails were all in the Spam folder. I have uninstalled Spamassassin because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks as though I shall have to do the same with Bogofilter.
At least you know. That's good. I'd caution against doing away with anti-SPAM software. Although, personally, I use only bogofilter as I found SA to be too slow.
Besides being slower, I also feel that SA tends to produce more "false positive" than Bogofilter - but I could not prove it. I can live with false negatives, but I can't be sure to check the trash every day and save false positives.
However, if the spam filter is the culprit, you can edit its filter and send messages to some folder (e.g. "check"), delete the database (for bogofilter it's in ~/.bogofilter/wordlist.db) and let it learn new. Spam ends up in the new folder, from time to time you check it, can filter false positive if any. When satisfied, chenge the spam filter to trash again and then run the "filter as spam" on the other spam mails
I do this from time to time, it wipes away old keywords that may no more be usefull (spam techniques change), and usually after a few days the number of spam messages to treat is back to normal.
Thierry
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:35:02 +0200 Thierry de Coulon tdecoulon@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Thierry,
Besides being slower, I also feel that SA tends to produce more "false positive" than Bogofilter - but I could not prove it. I can live with
It's been years since I stopped using SA, and can't remember the details of its accuracy.
I rarely see false positives with bogofilter. Mostly, things land in the "unsure" pile. Those messages are more often than not spam, though. The messages that almost always fail to be detected as spam are those with blank subject header and a link to a web site as the only text in the body.
{snip}
I do this from time to time, it wipes away old keywords that may no more be usefull (spam techniques change), and usually after a few days
Good point; My wordlist.db is probably a bit out of date. I'll start re-training, I think.
On Thursday 11 August 2011 14:35:02 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Brad Rogers brad@fineby.me.uk wrote:
The emails were all in the Spam folder. I have uninstalled Spamassassin because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks as though I shall have to do the same with Bogofilter.
At least you know. That's good. I'd caution against doing away with anti-SPAM software. Although, personally, I use only bogofilter as I found SA to be too slow.
Besides being slower, I also feel that SA tends to produce more "false positive" than Bogofilter - but I could not prove it. I can live with false negatives, but I can't be sure to check the trash every day and save false positives.
However, if the spam filter is the culprit, you can edit its filter and send messages to some folder (e.g. "check"), delete the database (for bogofilter it's in ~/.bogofilter/wordlist.db) and let it learn new. Spam ends up in the new folder, from time to time you check it, can filter false positive if any. When satisfied, chenge the spam filter to trash again and then run the "filter as spam" on the other spam mails
I do this from time to time, it wipes away old keywords that may no more be usefull (spam techniques change), and usually after a few days the number of spam messages to treat is back to normal.
Done! So now when I reinstall bogofilter it will learn from scratch. I realised that I would have to remove any detritis left by the purged copy of bogofilter before reinstalling, but I hadn't started to look for it.
Thanks, Thierry. :-) Lisi
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