10 Aug
2011
10 Aug
'11
3:01 p.m.
I have been having problems with POP 3 and Gmail in that some emails are there
but seem not to download. I have established (with the expenditure of some
time) that the mails download (I have sat and watched them do so) and then
disappear. I have forwarded the mails through two Gmail addresses and one
totally different email provider. In every case they simply disappear. They
don't even land in the wastebin.
Has anyone any ideas, *please*.
My next idea is to destroy all my filters and gradually restore them and see
if the recalcitrant emails are being misfiled in some mythical and
non-existent folder. But that is a large task, and I am loathe to do it if
someone can offer something easier or more sure of success. I would be doing
it in desperation, and not in expectation of success.
Thanks,
Lisi
10 Aug
10 Aug
3:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:01:11 +0100
Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Lisi,
totally different email provider. In every case they
simply
disappear. They don't even land in the wastebin.
IDK if KMail has such capability in its filters, but do any of your
filters have a "delete message" function? If you do use such a filter,
start by moving them out of the way first, rather than trashing the lot.
--
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/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
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9:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Wednesday 10 August 2011 16:34:23 Brad Rogers wrote:
IDK if KMail has such capability in its filters, but
do any of your
filters have a "delete message" function?
No. Pity - it would have been a nice simple solution!
Lisi
11 Aug
11 Aug
8:42 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:31:27 +0100
Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Lisi,
No. Pity - it would have been a nice simple solution!
So Thierry's message said. A pity I didn't see that before my
response.
Ah, well....
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
You only see me for the clothes that I wear
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10 Aug
10 Aug
3:41 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have been having problems with POP 3 and Gmail in
that some emails are there
but seem not to download. I have established (with the expenditure of some
time) that the mails download (I have sat and watched them do so) and then
disappear. I have forwarded the mails through two Gmail addresses and one
totally different email provider. In every case they simply disappear. They
don't even land in the wastebin.
Has anyone any ideas, *please*.
My next idea is to destroy all my filters and gradually restore them and see
(...)
Thanks,
Lisi
Hi Lisi,
Your filters are stored in ~/.kde3/share/config/kmailrc, so you should
save a copy of this file first.
However, filters you set up must have a "filter action", and there is
no "delete" action (I suppose you could "Execute command" and
"delete", but I never tried this).
If you use a spam filter, check what it does with "spam" (but here it
sends them to trash, so I can still check there).
If you get your mail from pop3, you can switch on "leave fetched
messages on the server" and check they are there through webmail. I've
had mails lost in the past, I'm pretty sure it happened at my provider
but they never solved the issue (I had to get them sent to gmail). I
actually must write mails to this list from gmail, mails to trinity
from kmail get lost too....
Last suggestion, you could setup another mail program (Thunderbird or
so) and check if your mails only disappear in kmail.
So far for my ideas for the moment....
Hope that helps,
Thierry
7:14 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
Thanks, Brad and Thierry for your very prompt replies and your suggestions.
I'm not going to get the chance for a sensible attack on this again until
tomorrow afternoon, but I'll report back. :-)
I am already, however, getting Gmail to leave my emails in the inbox until I
have had a chance to see them!
Thanks,
Lisi
7:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:01, Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have been having problems with POP 3 and Gmail in
that some emails are there
but seem not to download. I have established (with the expenditure of some
time) that the mails download (I have sat and watched them do so) and then
disappear. I have forwarded the mails through two Gmail addresses and one
totally different email provider. In every case they simply disappear. They
don't even land in the wastebin.
Has anyone any ideas, *please*.
My next idea is to destroy all my filters and gradually restore them and see
if the recalcitrant emails are being misfiled in some mythical and
non-existent folder. But that is a large task, and I am loathe to do it if
someone can offer something easier or more sure of success. I would be doing
it in desperation, and not in expectation of success.
You don't mean KMail2 from KDE SC 4.7, right?
Because this is a known problem right now with people's emails.
--
later, Robert Xu + rxu AT lincomlinux DOT org
9:05 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Wednesday 10 August 2011 20:46:50 Robert Xu wrote:
You don't mean KMail2 from KDE SC 4.7, right?
Because this is a known problem right now with people's emails.
No. KMail 1.9.9 from KDE 3.5.10, which is why I brought the query here. I
should have said so.
Lisi
10:28 p.m.
New subject: SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
The emails were all in the Spam folder. I have uninstalled Spamassassin
because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks as though I shall
have to do the same with Bogofilter.
This has only been happening since Friday noon. Which still leaves
unanswered, of course, why it started to happen. :-/
Thanks to you all.
Lisi
11 Aug
11 Aug
2:15 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 23:28 +0100, Lisi wrote:
The emails were all in the Spam folder. I have
uninstalled Spamassassin
because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks as though I shall
have to do the same with Bogofilter.
This has only been happening since Friday noon. Which still leaves
unanswered, of course, why it started to happen. :-/
Thanks to you all.
Lisi
<snip>
Perhaps a valid mail was accidentally identified as SPAM incorrectly
training the filter - John
8:47 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:28:20 +0100
Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Lisi,
The emails were all in the Spam folder. I have
uninstalled
Spamassassin because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks
as though I shall have to do the same with Bogofilter.
At least you know. That's good. I'd caution against doing away with
anti-SPAM software. Although, personally, I use only bogofilter as I
found SA to be too slow.
As John suggests, I'd opt for reclassifying the supposed SPAM as HAM,
since the software is only as good as the teaching it gets.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
It's not your heart, it's your bank I want to break
It's Yer Money - Wonder Stuff
1:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
Hello, Brad,
On Thursday 11 August 2011 09:47:23 Brad Rogers wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:28:20 +0100
Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, that was why I did away with SA. And bogofilter is certainly much
faster.
The emails were all in the Spam folder. I have
uninstalled
Spamassassin because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks
as though I shall have to do the same with Bogofilter.
At least you know. That's good. I'd caution against doing away with
anti-SPAM software. Although, personally, I use only bogofilter as I
found SA to be too slow. As John suggests, I'd opt for reclassifying the
supposed SPAM as HAM,
since the software is only as good as the teaching it gets.
Had I had these emails before my having got rid of bogofilter I would
certainly have followed this advice; but I uninstalled it in almost a fit of
pique after it helped itself to a whole lot more of my older mail! (I had
reclassified the SPAM as HAM and hoped that by running the filters on those
files I could get the HAM back in the folders where it belonged. At least I
hope to learn from my mistakes!)
I'll see how I get on without a SPAM filter. I have Gmail's SPAM filter
pretty well trained and can probably handle manually the small amount that
bogofilter was identifying that Gmail had missed. It may be worth just
putting a little more effort into training Gmail's SPAM filters.
But I can see the merits in reinstalling bogofilter and just trying to train
it better. So when the dust settles a bit in a day or two, I shall probably
reinstall and start training it.
Thanks for the help.
Lisi
2:05 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:31:39 +0100
Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Lisi,
Yes, that was why I did away with SA. And bogofilter
is certainly
much faster.
At least I know I'm not alone in that. :-)
Had I had these emails before my having got rid of
bogofilter I would
certainly have followed this advice; but I uninstalled it in almost a
fit of pique after it helped itself to a whole lot more of my older
"Been there, done that" as they say. Usually, I find that the fit of
pique is often, at some point, followed by a piece of humble pie.
I'll see how I get on without a SPAM filter. I
have Gmail's SPAM
filter pretty well trained and can probably handle manually the small
I'm not usually a fan of google, but their spam filtering is pretty good.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
You're the psychotic daughter of a psychotic mother
Pure Mania - The Vibrators
9:32 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Thursday 11 August 2011 15:05:59 Brad Rogers wrote:
"Been there, done that" as they say.
Usually, I find that the fit of
pique is often, at some point, followed by a piece of humble pie.
:-) Fortunately I am used to the taste!
Lisi
4:11 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
Hi Lisi,
Yes, that was why I did away with SA. And bogofilter
is certainly much
faster.
well, I think your problem is the follwing: after installing SA in Kmail
you
defined some filters. And KMails put every new filter on top of the list.
That means you have to move new filters down below the spam filters.
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9:27 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Thursday 11 August 2011 17:11:16 HHa wrote:
well, I think your problem is the follwing: after
installing SA in Kmail
you defined some filters. And KMails put every new filter on top of the
list. That means you have to move new filters down below the spam filters.
???
But thanks for the reply,
Lisi
12 Aug
12 Aug
2:57 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:27:14 +0100
Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Lisi,
???
I think what HHa meant is that, for best effect, SA/bogofilter need to
operate on all incoming mail, not just the stuff left after filtering
list mails into relevant folders.
I suspect that a) you already know that and b) you were already
operating in that mode.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
The public gets what the public wants
Going Underground - The Jam
11 Aug
11 Aug
1:35 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Brad Rogers <brad(a)fineby.me.uk> wrote:
Besides being slower, I also feel that SA tends to produce more "false
positive" than Bogofilter - but I could not prove it. I can live with
false negatives, but I can't be sure to check the trash every day and
save false positives.
However, if the spam filter is the culprit, you can edit its filter
and send messages to some folder (e.g. "check"), delete the database
(for bogofilter it's in ~/.bogofilter/wordlist.db) and let it learn
new. Spam ends up in the new folder, from time to time you check it,
can filter false positive if any. When satisfied, chenge the spam
filter to trash again and then run the "filter as spam" on the other
spam mails
I do this from time to time, it wipes away old keywords that may no
more be usefull (spam techniques change), and usually after a few days
the number of spam messages to treat is back to normal.
Thierry
The emails
were all in the Spam folder. I have uninstalled
Spamassassin because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks
as though I shall have to do the same with Bogofilter.
At least you know. That's good. I'd caution against doing away with
anti-SPAM software. Although, personally, I use only bogofilter as I
found SA to be too slow.
2:12 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:35:02 +0200
Thierry de Coulon <tdecoulon(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Thierry,
Besides being slower, I also feel that SA tends to
produce more "false
positive" than Bogofilter - but I could not prove it. I can live with
It's been years since I stopped using SA, and can't remember the details
of its accuracy.
I rarely see false positives with bogofilter. Mostly, things land in
the "unsure" pile. Those messages are more often than not spam,
though. The messages that almost always fail to be detected as spam are
those with blank subject header and a link to a web site as the only
text in the body.
{snip}
I do this from time to time, it wipes away old
keywords that may no
more be usefull (spam techniques change), and usually after a few days
Good point; My wordlist.db is probably a bit out of date. I'll start
re-training, I think.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
The man in a tracksuit attacks me
I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs
2:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] SOLVED Re: [trinity-users] Some emails downloaded to KMail 1.9.9 just "disappear"
On Thursday 11 August 2011 14:35:02 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Brad Rogers
<brad(a)fineby.me.uk> wrote:
Besides being slower, I also feel that SA tends to produce more "false
positive" than Bogofilter - but I could not prove it. I can live with
false negatives, but I can't be sure to check the trash every day and
save false positives.
However, if the spam filter is the culprit, you can edit its filter
and send messages to some folder (e.g. "check"), delete the database
(for bogofilter it's in ~/.bogofilter/wordlist.db) and let it learn
new. Spam ends up in the new folder, from time to time you check it,
can filter false positive if any. When satisfied, chenge the spam
filter to trash again and then run the "filter as spam" on the other
spam mails
I do this from time to time, it wipes away old keywords that may no
more be usefull (spam techniques change), and usually after a few days
the number of spam messages to treat is back to normal.
Done! So now when I reinstall bogofilter it will learn from scratch. I
realised that I would have to remove any detritis left by the purged copy of
bogofilter before reinstalling, but I hadn't started to look for it.
Thanks, Thierry. :-)
Lisi
The
emails were all in the Spam folder. I have uninstalled
Spamassassin because it was more bother trhan it was worth. It looks
as though I shall have to do the same with Bogofilter.
At least you know. That's good. I'd caution against doing away with
anti-SPAM software. Although, personally, I use only bogofilter as I
found SA to be too slow.
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